I recently met someone who said he was a "Muslim" and from the "Ahmadiyya" sect. He also said they had their "Khalifa" who calls himself the "second manifestation of God" visit Vancouver (or will be visiting, I cannot remember now).
I did a little bit of digging and found that there was a meeting held in Saudi Arabia with the heads of mosques or other sects and what not, and they declared the Ahmadiyya sect as NOT one of Islam...
If someone could shed some light on who the heck these people are and where they came from and who the Khalifa is, that would be nice.
Thanks!
S786
Ahmadiyya's and Bahai's - Who are they?
That is a subject that is very controversial in some Muslim countries. I hope this debate does not degenerate as it may create passionate replies.
I will leave the subject here as long as the discussion on this remains polite.
After all we are told that whoever accept the Shahada is to be considered a Muslim.
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I will leave the subject here as long as the discussion on this remains polite.
After all we are told that whoever accept the Shahada is to be considered a Muslim.
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They themselves say that they are muslim. In India they are considered muslims but as per Pakistani Law they are Non Muslims and also in some other muslims countries, as they believe Mirza Gulam Ahmed as Prophet after Prophet Muhammad [PBUH]
In 1891 Mirza Gulam announced that Jesus was not alive and would not return to this world in person, and that by the "return of Jesus" was meant the coming of an imam and mujaddid of the Muslims who would bear spiritual resemblance to the Messiah and do Messiah-like work. He laid claim to be that particular Mujaddid of the Muslims who was going to be the Promised Messiah.
In 1891 Mirza Gulam announced that Jesus was not alive and would not return to this world in person, and that by the "return of Jesus" was meant the coming of an imam and mujaddid of the Muslims who would bear spiritual resemblance to the Messiah and do Messiah-like work. He laid claim to be that particular Mujaddid of the Muslims who was going to be the Promised Messiah.
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From:http://www.hvk.org/hvk/articles/0703/106.html
The Ahmadiyas, alternatively called Qadianis, of Kanpur are in panic and for a good reason, apropos “Panicked Qadianis Seek Security”, Hindustan Times, Lucknow, May 15, 2003, page 3.
The Ahmadiyas are a Islamic sect who derive their ame from a nineteenth century holy man of Punjab, named Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani (1835- 1908). Other Muslims object to two central tenets of the Ahmadiyas; first, the almost prophet-like status of their master Ahmad Qadiani; second, the Ahmadiya belief that all religions of the world including Hinduism are valid religion. There may be other theological differences. The Ahmadiya protestation that in no sense they doubt the primary and the holiness of Prophet Mohammad does not impress either the Sunnis or the Shias. The Ahmadiyas have been a persecuted lot in Islamic Pakistan right from the birth of that state. What is remarkable is that they face persecution in India too, although the latter is a secular state. And what is even more remarkable is that their persecution in India mirrors the trend in Pakistan to a large extent.
Ahmadiyas are a modern educated community and their me have often occupied exalted positions. Professor Abdus Salam, who won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1979, is an Ahmadiya. Muhammad Zafrullah Khan, Pakistan’s first Foreign Minister ad hand-picked by Mohammad Ali Jinnah, was a Ahmadiya. And that led to his undoing. He was hounded out of the establishment because he was an Ahmadiya. The anti-Ahmadiya riots of 1953 rocked the nascent democracy of Pakistan and paved the way for a military takeover. Yet, General Ayub Khan with his Martial Law was afraid to carry out the death sentence against Maulana Maududi for his proven role in the anti-Ahmadiya pogrom. It should be recalled that Maududi was the chief ideologue of the Deobandi Maslak of those days. The threat that the Ahmadiyas of Kanpur perceive today also comes from the Deobandis, if newspaper reports are to be believed. More about that later.
Soon after he came to power after the 1971 Indo-Pak war, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto amended the Constitution of Pakistan to brand the Ahmadiyas non-Muslim. When General Zia-ul Haq seized power, the Ahmadiyas were barred from issuing the Muslim prayer call, Azan, from their mosques. I recall an episode in Kanpur of the early 1990s when Mulayam Singh Yadav was the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh. A young Ahmadiya girl had committed suicide. Her funeral procession reached the burial ground only to find its path blocked by a violent Sunni mob. The ostensible reason offered was simple; Pakistan had declared the Ahmadiyas as un-Islamic and hence they had no right to a Muslim burial ground. That India still considered them Muslim was of no consequence. The Mulayam Singh Government of Uttar Pradesh dared not enforce the Indian law and found a alternative burial site for the Ahmadiyas post haste. In effect, a Pakistani law was enforced on Indian soil.
On May 14, 2003, on the eve of the birth anniversary of Prophet Mohammad, the Ahmadiya leaders of Kanpur met the District Magistrate and the Senior Superintendent of Police, appraised them of an impending threat and sought security. They are shaken over a proposed and much-publicised campaign of an organisation called Jamiat Ulema of the Sunni Deobandi Muslims. To quote Hindustan Times (ibid.),
The Jamiat Ulema’s frontal organisation, espousing the campaign against the Qadianis (Ahmadiyas), Majlis Khatam-e-Nabbuwat has organised a training camp for the Muslim clerics and a public meeting over this issue. Around 300 delegates from 18 districts would attend a three-day camp beginning from May 22 here (Kanpur). The organisers would elaborate the perceptible threat the Qadianis (Ahmadiyas) pose to the religion as a whole...... The clergy would be trained in a manner to uproot the Qadianis from the domain of Deobandis....... ‘We fear attacks following the campaign’, said the district president of the Ahmadiya Jammat, Mohammad Shoeb Soleja.
The Ahmadiyas, alternatively called Qadianis, of Kanpur are in panic and for a good reason, apropos “Panicked Qadianis Seek Security”, Hindustan Times, Lucknow, May 15, 2003, page 3.
The Ahmadiyas are a Islamic sect who derive their ame from a nineteenth century holy man of Punjab, named Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani (1835- 1908). Other Muslims object to two central tenets of the Ahmadiyas; first, the almost prophet-like status of their master Ahmad Qadiani; second, the Ahmadiya belief that all religions of the world including Hinduism are valid religion. There may be other theological differences. The Ahmadiya protestation that in no sense they doubt the primary and the holiness of Prophet Mohammad does not impress either the Sunnis or the Shias. The Ahmadiyas have been a persecuted lot in Islamic Pakistan right from the birth of that state. What is remarkable is that they face persecution in India too, although the latter is a secular state. And what is even more remarkable is that their persecution in India mirrors the trend in Pakistan to a large extent.
Ahmadiyas are a modern educated community and their me have often occupied exalted positions. Professor Abdus Salam, who won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1979, is an Ahmadiya. Muhammad Zafrullah Khan, Pakistan’s first Foreign Minister ad hand-picked by Mohammad Ali Jinnah, was a Ahmadiya. And that led to his undoing. He was hounded out of the establishment because he was an Ahmadiya. The anti-Ahmadiya riots of 1953 rocked the nascent democracy of Pakistan and paved the way for a military takeover. Yet, General Ayub Khan with his Martial Law was afraid to carry out the death sentence against Maulana Maududi for his proven role in the anti-Ahmadiya pogrom. It should be recalled that Maududi was the chief ideologue of the Deobandi Maslak of those days. The threat that the Ahmadiyas of Kanpur perceive today also comes from the Deobandis, if newspaper reports are to be believed. More about that later.
Soon after he came to power after the 1971 Indo-Pak war, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto amended the Constitution of Pakistan to brand the Ahmadiyas non-Muslim. When General Zia-ul Haq seized power, the Ahmadiyas were barred from issuing the Muslim prayer call, Azan, from their mosques. I recall an episode in Kanpur of the early 1990s when Mulayam Singh Yadav was the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh. A young Ahmadiya girl had committed suicide. Her funeral procession reached the burial ground only to find its path blocked by a violent Sunni mob. The ostensible reason offered was simple; Pakistan had declared the Ahmadiyas as un-Islamic and hence they had no right to a Muslim burial ground. That India still considered them Muslim was of no consequence. The Mulayam Singh Government of Uttar Pradesh dared not enforce the Indian law and found a alternative burial site for the Ahmadiyas post haste. In effect, a Pakistani law was enforced on Indian soil.
On May 14, 2003, on the eve of the birth anniversary of Prophet Mohammad, the Ahmadiya leaders of Kanpur met the District Magistrate and the Senior Superintendent of Police, appraised them of an impending threat and sought security. They are shaken over a proposed and much-publicised campaign of an organisation called Jamiat Ulema of the Sunni Deobandi Muslims. To quote Hindustan Times (ibid.),
The Jamiat Ulema’s frontal organisation, espousing the campaign against the Qadianis (Ahmadiyas), Majlis Khatam-e-Nabbuwat has organised a training camp for the Muslim clerics and a public meeting over this issue. Around 300 delegates from 18 districts would attend a three-day camp beginning from May 22 here (Kanpur). The organisers would elaborate the perceptible threat the Qadianis (Ahmadiyas) pose to the religion as a whole...... The clergy would be trained in a manner to uproot the Qadianis from the domain of Deobandis....... ‘We fear attacks following the campaign’, said the district president of the Ahmadiya Jammat, Mohammad Shoeb Soleja.
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Ahmadis to boycott Pak polls over religious discrimination
Islamabad, Dec 16: The Ahmadi community in Pakistan has decided to boycott the January elections for the national and provincial assemblies, alleging "religious discrimination" by the country's Election Commission.
The Ahmadi community announced that it will boycott the crucial elections on January 8 due to the alleged "religious discrimination" by Pakistan's Election Commission in issuing a separate list for Ahmadi voters in a joint electorate system, Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya officials said.
They said that no community member would contest the elections or vote on the election day, and those who did would no longer be considered part of the community.
In Pakistan, Parliament has declared Ahmadis to be non-Muslims and have been the target of many attacks led by religious groups. Seminaries and Madrassas in Pakistan have prescribed essential reading materials specifically targeted at refuting Ahmadiyya beliefs.
Salimuddin, a spokesman for the Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya, said that following the display of the separate voter lists, he wrote a letter to the Chief Election Commissioner (CEC), drawing his attention to the "stark violation of the fundamental rights guaranteed in the constitution and Pakistans international human rights commitments".
"This is also contrary to the spirit of justice and equality. Since the inception of Pakistan in 1947 to the time of General Zia-ul-Haq, all national elections were conducted on the basis of the joint electorate system. This was in line with the vision of the founding father of the nation and was enshrined in the 1973 constitution," he were quoted as saying by The Daily Times newspaper today.
In 1985 Dictator Zia introduced a system of separate confessional electorates for five groups (Muslims, Christians, Hindu, Ahmadiya as well as Sikhs, Buddhists and Parsees grouped together).
Salimuddin of the Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya in his letter reminded the Pakistan's Chief Election Commissioner that President Pervez Musharrafs government took the decision to restore the joint electorate system, which was a step in the right direction.
However, he said, the practical outcome of the change was not as real as it might appear.
"There still happens to be a section of society that is discriminated against on the basis of religion ... Ahmadis votes are registered only if they dissociate themselves from the Prophet (Pbuh), something which is not possible for any Ahmadi to do in light of our religious belief and practical life," he said in the letter.
In a poll related development, two tribes in Pakistan's Khyber Tribal Agency bordering Afghanistan have barred their women from voting in the upcoming January 8 parliamentary polls.
Tribal elders warned the Election Commission not to set up polling stations for women in their areas. The elders also threatened action against women in line with tribal traditions if they violate the decision, a report said.
Bureau Report
Islamabad, Dec 16: The Ahmadi community in Pakistan has decided to boycott the January elections for the national and provincial assemblies, alleging "religious discrimination" by the country's Election Commission.
The Ahmadi community announced that it will boycott the crucial elections on January 8 due to the alleged "religious discrimination" by Pakistan's Election Commission in issuing a separate list for Ahmadi voters in a joint electorate system, Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya officials said.
They said that no community member would contest the elections or vote on the election day, and those who did would no longer be considered part of the community.
In Pakistan, Parliament has declared Ahmadis to be non-Muslims and have been the target of many attacks led by religious groups. Seminaries and Madrassas in Pakistan have prescribed essential reading materials specifically targeted at refuting Ahmadiyya beliefs.
Salimuddin, a spokesman for the Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya, said that following the display of the separate voter lists, he wrote a letter to the Chief Election Commissioner (CEC), drawing his attention to the "stark violation of the fundamental rights guaranteed in the constitution and Pakistans international human rights commitments".
"This is also contrary to the spirit of justice and equality. Since the inception of Pakistan in 1947 to the time of General Zia-ul-Haq, all national elections were conducted on the basis of the joint electorate system. This was in line with the vision of the founding father of the nation and was enshrined in the 1973 constitution," he were quoted as saying by The Daily Times newspaper today.
In 1985 Dictator Zia introduced a system of separate confessional electorates for five groups (Muslims, Christians, Hindu, Ahmadiya as well as Sikhs, Buddhists and Parsees grouped together).
Salimuddin of the Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya in his letter reminded the Pakistan's Chief Election Commissioner that President Pervez Musharrafs government took the decision to restore the joint electorate system, which was a step in the right direction.
However, he said, the practical outcome of the change was not as real as it might appear.
"There still happens to be a section of society that is discriminated against on the basis of religion ... Ahmadis votes are registered only if they dissociate themselves from the Prophet (Pbuh), something which is not possible for any Ahmadi to do in light of our religious belief and practical life," he said in the letter.
In a poll related development, two tribes in Pakistan's Khyber Tribal Agency bordering Afghanistan have barred their women from voting in the upcoming January 8 parliamentary polls.
Tribal elders warned the Election Commission not to set up polling stations for women in their areas. The elders also threatened action against women in line with tribal traditions if they violate the decision, a report said.
Bureau Report
Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama'at is celebrating its 50 years in Canada
Hello,
Throughout Canada, Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama'at is celebrating its 50 years in Canada. In Calgary the event will take place at the Calgary City Hall on September 8th, 2016. The program is as follows:
Guest Arrival: 5.00 pm
Program Starts: 5.15 pm
Refreshments: 6.35 pm
Program Ends: 7.00 pm
You are requested to honour us with your presence at this historical event. Your acceptance and a confirmation, to attend the program, will be highly appreciated. Please view the attached brochure or contact if further information is needed.
Thank you and have a great day,
Khalid Choudhry
Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama'at Calgary
4353 65 Avenue NE
Calgary, AB T3J 4L3
Cell 403 923 8230
www.alislam.org
Hello,
Throughout Canada, Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama'at is celebrating its 50 years in Canada. In Calgary the event will take place at the Calgary City Hall on September 8th, 2016. The program is as follows:
Guest Arrival: 5.00 pm
Program Starts: 5.15 pm
Refreshments: 6.35 pm
Program Ends: 7.00 pm
You are requested to honour us with your presence at this historical event. Your acceptance and a confirmation, to attend the program, will be highly appreciated. Please view the attached brochure or contact if further information is needed.
Thank you and have a great day,
Khalid Choudhry
Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama'at Calgary
4353 65 Avenue NE
Calgary, AB T3J 4L3
Cell 403 923 8230
www.alislam.org
The Muslims Who Aren’t Celebrating Mahershala Ali’s Oscar Win
Why Pakistan’s envoy to the UN deleted a celebratory tweet
https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... source=twb
Mahershala Ali won Best Supporting Actor for <i>Moonlight</i> at the Academy Awards.
Mahershala Ali won Best Supporting Actor for Moonlight at the Academy Awards. Danny Moloshok / Reuters
Mahershala Ali made history on Sunday night by becoming the first Muslim actor to win an Academy Award. But as the internet exploded with the significance of the moment—a black Muslim accepting an Oscar for his supporting role in Moonlight, a film about gay men—one tweet disappeared.
“That’s a first,” wrote Pakistan’s envoy to the United Nations, Maleeha Lodhi, in reply to a tweet noting Ali’s win as a Muslim. Lodhi’s tweet was then deleted (though it lives on as a screenshot). The reason? According to Pakistani law, Ali isn’t a Muslim.
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Ali follows the Ahmadiyya sect of Islam, which is outlawed in Pakistan. In that country, adherents of the Ahmadiyya faith—Ahmadis—cannot practice it without facing legal prosecution or the wrath of a vigilante mob. Although Ali’s faith and win are now making headlines, Ahmadis usually appear in the news in Pakistan when they become the victims of mass killings. Even then, the word “Muslim” doesn’t appear. Ali’s win was described as the first by an “Ahmadi” actor.
In 1974, Pakistan amended its constitution to declare Ahmadis non-Muslims, turning the sect into a religious minority. The difference, broadly speaking, between Ahmadis and Sunni Muslims is that while Sunni Muslims believe in a promised messiah, Ahmadis believe the messiah already appeared in India in the form of the sect’s founder, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Pakistani clerics construe this as a denial that Muhammad was the last messenger of God, a basic tenet of Islamic faith. In 1984, the Ahmadiyya faith was criminalized and its practices equated with blasphemy.
According to Pakistani law, Ahmadis cannot call themselves Muslims or practice Islam. They can’t recite the declaration of faith or the call for prayer. They can’t build mosques that look like conventional mosques—or even call them “mosques.” If they use any Islamic words (including something as basic as inscribing a Qur’anic verse on a wedding invitation) they can be prosecuted.
The legislation effectively ensured that Ahmadis were treated as heretics and pariahs in Pakistan.
In 2010, militants besieged two Ahmadi mosques in the city of Lahore, killing over 90 people. Mobs routinely attack Ahmadi neighborhoods and mosques, often stoked by falsified blasphemy allegations. Calling someone an “Ahmadi” is the easiest way to discredit a person. In recent years, rumors of “being Ahmadi”—framed as a xenophobic allegation—have circulated about everyone from an officer in the running to head the army who was rumored to have Ahmadi relatives to a federal cabinet member who was asked point-blank about his faith on a talk show. Praising an Ahmadi is virtually unheard of.
It’s safe to assume that had Ali been a Sunni Muslim, Pakistanis would have been falling over themselves to praise him. Pakistanis are quick to seize on the achievements of any Muslim and herald it as their own, or to celebrate conversions to Islam.
But Ahmadis don’t fit the bill.
Pakistan has systematically erased Ahmadis and their achievements from the public consciousness.
And Lodhi isn’t the first prominent Pakistani to backtrack on congratulating someone after discovering they’re Ahmadi. In 2014, the politician Imran Khan, whose Tehreek-e-Insaf party is an opposition party in Pakistan, declared that were he in power, he would pick people like the Princeton professor and economist Atif Mian for his cabinet. What Khan apparently didn’t know was that Mian is Ahmadi. A few days later, Khan declared that he had no idea about Mian’s faith and went on to repudiate Ahmadi beliefs.
The conservative actor Hamza Ali Abbasi, a Khan supporter, chimed in by “congratulating” Ali on social media while tacking on a caveat: “I highly disagree with your Ahmadi/Qadiyani religion and my countrymen think you are not Muslim.”
As news spread of Ali’s Oscar win, Ahmadis posted online accounts of his conversion, in which the Moonlight and House of Cards actor described his emotional response to prayer, his initial concerns about joining the Ahmadiyya faith, and his experiences with other Muslims. It’s hard to imagine what it must feel like for an Ahmadi kid growing up in Pakistan to see an actor from his faith recognized as a Muslim, to see a fellow Ahmadi featured in the headlines not as a victim or as a target of persecution, but as a success.
Pakistan has systematically erased Ahmadis and their achievements from the public consciousness. The most glaring example: Its first Nobel Prize winner, the noted physicist Dr. Abdus Salam—who quoted from the Qur’an in his 1979 acceptance speech and said Pakistan was thankful for the honor—is barely mentioned in Pakistan. Nor has his groundbreaking work been celebrated. Instead, the word “Muslim” was removed from his tombstone to comply with anti-Ahmadi laws. Belatedly, the government renamed a physics center after him last year. And while an envoy to the United Nations might have to delete a tweet about an Ahmadi now, it is in the UN that Pakistan’s first foreign minister, an Ahmadi, served as the country’s representative and was president of the General Assembly.
Ali’s conversion might never have happened had the Ahmadiyya community not spread out of Pakistan, where it had based itself following the end of colonial rule in India and the creation of Pakistan. After the anti-Ahmadi laws were passed, the community’s leadership shifted its base to the United Kingdom. As violence and discrimination against Ahmadis grew in Pakistan, they sought refuge in countries around the world, including the United States, where Ali discovered Islam 17 years ago.
In his Screen Actors Guild award acceptance speech, Ali talked about his faith and what happens when a community is persecuted. “When we get caught up in the minutiae, the details that make us all different, there’s two ways of seeing that. You can see the texture of that person, the qualities that make them unique, or you can go to war about it, say, ‘That person is different from me, I don’t like you, so let’s battle.’”
Pakistan has chosen battle. And so, while the world fetes a talented artist, Pakistanis can’t even share a tweet that congratulates him for being the first Muslim actor to win an Oscar.
Mahershala Ali made history on Sunday night by becoming the first Muslim actor to win an Academy Award. But as the internet exploded with the significance of the moment—a black Muslim accepting an Oscar for his supporting role in Moonlight, a film about gay men—one tweet disappeared.
“That’s a first,” wrote Pakistan’s envoy to the United Nations, Maleeha Lodhi, in reply to a tweet noting Ali’s win as a Muslim. Lodhi’s tweet was then deleted (though it lives on as a screenshot). The reason? According to Pakistani law, Ali isn’t a Muslim.
Ali follows the Ahmadiyya sect of Islam, which is outlawed in Pakistan. In that country, adherents of the Ahmadiyya faith—Ahmadis—cannot practice it without facing legal prosecution or the wrath of a vigilante mob. Although Ali’s faith and win are now making headlines, Ahmadis usually appear in the news in Pakistan when they become the victims of mass killings. Even then, the word “Muslim” doesn’t appear. Ali’s win was described as the first by an “Ahmadi” actor.
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Why Pakistan’s envoy to the UN deleted a celebratory tweet
https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... source=twb
Mahershala Ali won Best Supporting Actor for <i>Moonlight</i> at the Academy Awards.
Mahershala Ali won Best Supporting Actor for Moonlight at the Academy Awards. Danny Moloshok / Reuters
Mahershala Ali made history on Sunday night by becoming the first Muslim actor to win an Academy Award. But as the internet exploded with the significance of the moment—a black Muslim accepting an Oscar for his supporting role in Moonlight, a film about gay men—one tweet disappeared.
“That’s a first,” wrote Pakistan’s envoy to the United Nations, Maleeha Lodhi, in reply to a tweet noting Ali’s win as a Muslim. Lodhi’s tweet was then deleted (though it lives on as a screenshot). The reason? According to Pakistani law, Ali isn’t a Muslim.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Related Story
What Moonlight’s Win Says About the Oscars’ Future
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ali follows the Ahmadiyya sect of Islam, which is outlawed in Pakistan. In that country, adherents of the Ahmadiyya faith—Ahmadis—cannot practice it without facing legal prosecution or the wrath of a vigilante mob. Although Ali’s faith and win are now making headlines, Ahmadis usually appear in the news in Pakistan when they become the victims of mass killings. Even then, the word “Muslim” doesn’t appear. Ali’s win was described as the first by an “Ahmadi” actor.
In 1974, Pakistan amended its constitution to declare Ahmadis non-Muslims, turning the sect into a religious minority. The difference, broadly speaking, between Ahmadis and Sunni Muslims is that while Sunni Muslims believe in a promised messiah, Ahmadis believe the messiah already appeared in India in the form of the sect’s founder, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Pakistani clerics construe this as a denial that Muhammad was the last messenger of God, a basic tenet of Islamic faith. In 1984, the Ahmadiyya faith was criminalized and its practices equated with blasphemy.
According to Pakistani law, Ahmadis cannot call themselves Muslims or practice Islam. They can’t recite the declaration of faith or the call for prayer. They can’t build mosques that look like conventional mosques—or even call them “mosques.” If they use any Islamic words (including something as basic as inscribing a Qur’anic verse on a wedding invitation) they can be prosecuted.
The legislation effectively ensured that Ahmadis were treated as heretics and pariahs in Pakistan.
In 2010, militants besieged two Ahmadi mosques in the city of Lahore, killing over 90 people. Mobs routinely attack Ahmadi neighborhoods and mosques, often stoked by falsified blasphemy allegations. Calling someone an “Ahmadi” is the easiest way to discredit a person. In recent years, rumors of “being Ahmadi”—framed as a xenophobic allegation—have circulated about everyone from an officer in the running to head the army who was rumored to have Ahmadi relatives to a federal cabinet member who was asked point-blank about his faith on a talk show. Praising an Ahmadi is virtually unheard of.
It’s safe to assume that had Ali been a Sunni Muslim, Pakistanis would have been falling over themselves to praise him. Pakistanis are quick to seize on the achievements of any Muslim and herald it as their own, or to celebrate conversions to Islam.
But Ahmadis don’t fit the bill.
Pakistan has systematically erased Ahmadis and their achievements from the public consciousness.
And Lodhi isn’t the first prominent Pakistani to backtrack on congratulating someone after discovering they’re Ahmadi. In 2014, the politician Imran Khan, whose Tehreek-e-Insaf party is an opposition party in Pakistan, declared that were he in power, he would pick people like the Princeton professor and economist Atif Mian for his cabinet. What Khan apparently didn’t know was that Mian is Ahmadi. A few days later, Khan declared that he had no idea about Mian’s faith and went on to repudiate Ahmadi beliefs.
The conservative actor Hamza Ali Abbasi, a Khan supporter, chimed in by “congratulating” Ali on social media while tacking on a caveat: “I highly disagree with your Ahmadi/Qadiyani religion and my countrymen think you are not Muslim.”
As news spread of Ali’s Oscar win, Ahmadis posted online accounts of his conversion, in which the Moonlight and House of Cards actor described his emotional response to prayer, his initial concerns about joining the Ahmadiyya faith, and his experiences with other Muslims. It’s hard to imagine what it must feel like for an Ahmadi kid growing up in Pakistan to see an actor from his faith recognized as a Muslim, to see a fellow Ahmadi featured in the headlines not as a victim or as a target of persecution, but as a success.
Pakistan has systematically erased Ahmadis and their achievements from the public consciousness. The most glaring example: Its first Nobel Prize winner, the noted physicist Dr. Abdus Salam—who quoted from the Qur’an in his 1979 acceptance speech and said Pakistan was thankful for the honor—is barely mentioned in Pakistan. Nor has his groundbreaking work been celebrated. Instead, the word “Muslim” was removed from his tombstone to comply with anti-Ahmadi laws. Belatedly, the government renamed a physics center after him last year. And while an envoy to the United Nations might have to delete a tweet about an Ahmadi now, it is in the UN that Pakistan’s first foreign minister, an Ahmadi, served as the country’s representative and was president of the General Assembly.
Ali’s conversion might never have happened had the Ahmadiyya community not spread out of Pakistan, where it had based itself following the end of colonial rule in India and the creation of Pakistan. After the anti-Ahmadi laws were passed, the community’s leadership shifted its base to the United Kingdom. As violence and discrimination against Ahmadis grew in Pakistan, they sought refuge in countries around the world, including the United States, where Ali discovered Islam 17 years ago.
In his Screen Actors Guild award acceptance speech, Ali talked about his faith and what happens when a community is persecuted. “When we get caught up in the minutiae, the details that make us all different, there’s two ways of seeing that. You can see the texture of that person, the qualities that make them unique, or you can go to war about it, say, ‘That person is different from me, I don’t like you, so let’s battle.’”
Pakistan has chosen battle. And so, while the world fetes a talented artist, Pakistanis can’t even share a tweet that congratulates him for being the first Muslim actor to win an Oscar.
Mahershala Ali made history on Sunday night by becoming the first Muslim actor to win an Academy Award. But as the internet exploded with the significance of the moment—a black Muslim accepting an Oscar for his supporting role in Moonlight, a film about gay men—one tweet disappeared.
“That’s a first,” wrote Pakistan’s envoy to the United Nations, Maleeha Lodhi, in reply to a tweet noting Ali’s win as a Muslim. Lodhi’s tweet was then deleted (though it lives on as a screenshot). The reason? According to Pakistani law, Ali isn’t a Muslim.
Ali follows the Ahmadiyya sect of Islam, which is outlawed in Pakistan. In that country, adherents of the Ahmadiyya faith—Ahmadis—cannot practice it without facing legal prosecution or the wrath of a vigilante mob. Although Ali’s faith and win are now making headlines, Ahmadis usually appear in the news in Pakistan when they become the victims of mass killings. Even then, the word “Muslim” doesn’t appear. Ali’s win was described as the first by an “Ahmadi” actor.
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This is the main temple of the Bahá'í House of Worshipin Delhi, it attracts thousands a visitors everyday. I just visited last month, it is impressive architecture.
One would have thought from the name Lotus Temple that is it s Buddhist Temple
Bahais have major differences of doctrines with Ahmadis. However, both movements stem from Islam but with their own flavour as both have been persecuted in their countries of birth for recognising Prophet SAS as a Messenger but not as last messenger.
One would have thought from the name Lotus Temple that is it s Buddhist Temple
Bahais have major differences of doctrines with Ahmadis. However, both movements stem from Islam but with their own flavour as both have been persecuted in their countries of birth for recognising Prophet SAS as a Messenger but not as last messenger.
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FOUNDERS OF BAHA'I FAITH:
The Bahá’í Faith began with the mission entrusted by God to two Divine Messengers—the Báb and Bahá’u’lláh. Today, the distinctive unity of the Faith They founded stems from explicit instructions given by Bahá’u’lláh that have assured the continuity of guidance following His passing. This line of succession, referred to as the Covenant, went from Bahá’u’lláh to His Son ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, and then from ‘Abdu’l-Bahá to His grandson, Shoghi Effendi, and the Universal House of Justice, ordained by Bahá’u’lláh. A Bahá’í accepts the divine authority of the Báb and Bahá’u’lláh and of these appointed successors.
The Báb »
(1819-1850)
The Báb is the Herald of the Bahá’í Faith. In the middle of the 19th century, He announced that He was the bearer of a message destined to transform humanity’s spiritual life. His mission was to prepare the way for the coming of a second Messenger from God, greater than Himself, who would usher in an age of peace and justice.
Bahá’u’lláh »
(1817-1892)
Bahá’u’lláh—the “Glory of God”—is the Promised One foretold by the Báb and all of the Divine Messengers of the past. Bahá’u’lláh delivered a new Revelation from God to humanity. Thousands of verses, letters and books flowed from His pen. In His Writings, He outlined a framework for the development of a global civilization which takes into account both the spiritual and material dimensions of human life. For this, He endured 40 years of imprisonment, torture and exile.
‘Abdu’l-Bahá »
(1844-1921)
In His will, Bahá’u’lláh appointed His oldest son, ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, as the authorized interpreter of His teachings and Head of the Faith. Throughout the East and West, ‘Abdu’l-Bahá became known as an ambassador of peace, an exemplary human being, and the leading exponent of a new Faith.
Shoghi Effendi »
(1897-1957)
Appointed Guardian of the Bahá’í Faith by ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, His eldest grandson, Shoghi Effendi, spent 36 years systematically nurturing the development, deepening the understanding, and strengthening the unity of the Bahá’í community, as it increasingly grew to reflect the diversity of the entire human race.
The Universal House of Justice »
(established 1963)
The development of the Bahá’í Faith worldwide is today guided by the Universal House of Justice. In His book of laws, Bahá’u’lláh instructed the Universal House of Justice to exert a positive influence on the welfare of humankind, promote education, peace and global prosperity, and safeguard human honour and the position of religion.
The Bahá’í Faith began with the mission entrusted by God to two Divine Messengers—the Báb and Bahá’u’lláh. Today, the distinctive unity of the Faith They founded stems from explicit instructions given by Bahá’u’lláh that have assured the continuity of guidance following His passing. This line of succession, referred to as the Covenant, went from Bahá’u’lláh to His Son ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, and then from ‘Abdu’l-Bahá to His grandson, Shoghi Effendi, and the Universal House of Justice, ordained by Bahá’u’lláh. A Bahá’í accepts the divine authority of the Báb and Bahá’u’lláh and of these appointed successors.
The Báb »
(1819-1850)
The Báb is the Herald of the Bahá’í Faith. In the middle of the 19th century, He announced that He was the bearer of a message destined to transform humanity’s spiritual life. His mission was to prepare the way for the coming of a second Messenger from God, greater than Himself, who would usher in an age of peace and justice.
Bahá’u’lláh »
(1817-1892)
Bahá’u’lláh—the “Glory of God”—is the Promised One foretold by the Báb and all of the Divine Messengers of the past. Bahá’u’lláh delivered a new Revelation from God to humanity. Thousands of verses, letters and books flowed from His pen. In His Writings, He outlined a framework for the development of a global civilization which takes into account both the spiritual and material dimensions of human life. For this, He endured 40 years of imprisonment, torture and exile.
‘Abdu’l-Bahá »
(1844-1921)
In His will, Bahá’u’lláh appointed His oldest son, ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, as the authorized interpreter of His teachings and Head of the Faith. Throughout the East and West, ‘Abdu’l-Bahá became known as an ambassador of peace, an exemplary human being, and the leading exponent of a new Faith.
Shoghi Effendi »
(1897-1957)
Appointed Guardian of the Bahá’í Faith by ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, His eldest grandson, Shoghi Effendi, spent 36 years systematically nurturing the development, deepening the understanding, and strengthening the unity of the Bahá’í community, as it increasingly grew to reflect the diversity of the entire human race.
The Universal House of Justice »
(established 1963)
The development of the Bahá’í Faith worldwide is today guided by the Universal House of Justice. In His book of laws, Bahá’u’lláh instructed the Universal House of Justice to exert a positive influence on the welfare of humankind, promote education, peace and global prosperity, and safeguard human honour and the position of religion.
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WHAT IS BAHA'I FAITH:
The Baha'i faith is one of the newer world religions stemming originally from Shi'ite Islam in Persia (modern-day Iran). However, it has come to achieve a unique status of its own. The Baha'i faith has distinguished itself as a unique world religion because of its size (5 million members), its practical autonomy from its parent religion of Islam (there is little blurriness between the two), and for its doctrinal uniqueness, being monotheistic yet inclusive.
The Baha'i faith's earliest forerunner was Sayid Ali Muhammad who on May 23, 1844, declared himself the Bab ("Gate"), the eighth manifestation of God and first since Muhammad. Implicit to that statement was the denial of Muhammad as the last and greatest prophet and a denial together of the unique authority of the Koran. Islam did not take kindly to such thoughts. The Bab and his followers, called Babis, saw heavy persecution and were part of great bloodshed before the Bab was executed as a political prisoner just six years later in Tabríz, Ádhirbáyján, July 9, 1850. But before he died, the Bab spoke of a coming prophet, referred to as "He whom God will Manifest." On April 22, 1863, Mirza Husayn Ali, one of his followers, declared himself the fulfillment of that prophecy and the latest manifestation of God. He donned the title Baha'u'llah ("glory of God"). The Bab was therefore viewed as a "John the Baptist"-type of forerunner leading up to Baha'u'llah who is the more significant manifestation for this age. His followers are called Baha’is. The uniqueness of this budding Baha'i faith, as it has come to be called, becomes clear in the Baha'u'llah's declarations. Not only did he claim to be the latest prophet foreseen in Shi'ite Islam, and not only did he claim to be a manifestation of God, but he claimed to be the second coming of Christ, the promised Holy Spirit, the Day of God, the Maiytrea (from Buddhism), and the Krishna (from Hinduism). A kind of inclusivism is apparent from the early stages of the Baha'i faith.
No other manifestation is said to have come since Baha'u'llah, but his leadership was passed on by appointment. He designated a successor in his son Abbas Effendi (later, Abdu'l-Baha "slave of Baha"). While the successors could not speak inspired scripture from God, they could interpret scripture infallibly and were viewed as the maintenance of God's true word on earth. Abdu'l-Baha would appoint his grandson Shoghi Effendi as successor. Shoghi Effendi, however, died before appointing a successor. The gap was filled by an ingeniously organized governing institution called the Universal House of Justice which remains in power today as the governing body for the Baha'i World Faith. Today, the Baha'i faith exists as a world religion with yearly international conferences convening at the Universal House of Justice in Haifa, Israel.
The Baha'i faith is one of the newer world religions stemming originally from Shi'ite Islam in Persia (modern-day Iran). However, it has come to achieve a unique status of its own. The Baha'i faith has distinguished itself as a unique world religion because of its size (5 million members), its practical autonomy from its parent religion of Islam (there is little blurriness between the two), and for its doctrinal uniqueness, being monotheistic yet inclusive.
The Baha'i faith's earliest forerunner was Sayid Ali Muhammad who on May 23, 1844, declared himself the Bab ("Gate"), the eighth manifestation of God and first since Muhammad. Implicit to that statement was the denial of Muhammad as the last and greatest prophet and a denial together of the unique authority of the Koran. Islam did not take kindly to such thoughts. The Bab and his followers, called Babis, saw heavy persecution and were part of great bloodshed before the Bab was executed as a political prisoner just six years later in Tabríz, Ádhirbáyján, July 9, 1850. But before he died, the Bab spoke of a coming prophet, referred to as "He whom God will Manifest." On April 22, 1863, Mirza Husayn Ali, one of his followers, declared himself the fulfillment of that prophecy and the latest manifestation of God. He donned the title Baha'u'llah ("glory of God"). The Bab was therefore viewed as a "John the Baptist"-type of forerunner leading up to Baha'u'llah who is the more significant manifestation for this age. His followers are called Baha’is. The uniqueness of this budding Baha'i faith, as it has come to be called, becomes clear in the Baha'u'llah's declarations. Not only did he claim to be the latest prophet foreseen in Shi'ite Islam, and not only did he claim to be a manifestation of God, but he claimed to be the second coming of Christ, the promised Holy Spirit, the Day of God, the Maiytrea (from Buddhism), and the Krishna (from Hinduism). A kind of inclusivism is apparent from the early stages of the Baha'i faith.
No other manifestation is said to have come since Baha'u'llah, but his leadership was passed on by appointment. He designated a successor in his son Abbas Effendi (later, Abdu'l-Baha "slave of Baha"). While the successors could not speak inspired scripture from God, they could interpret scripture infallibly and were viewed as the maintenance of God's true word on earth. Abdu'l-Baha would appoint his grandson Shoghi Effendi as successor. Shoghi Effendi, however, died before appointing a successor. The gap was filled by an ingeniously organized governing institution called the Universal House of Justice which remains in power today as the governing body for the Baha'i World Faith. Today, the Baha'i faith exists as a world religion with yearly international conferences convening at the Universal House of Justice in Haifa, Israel.
Ya Ali Madad:
Surprised to know that Admin visited India.
I may wish in future to meet Ismaili historians and archeologist trying to find artefacts and manuscripts of past eras.Does ALI wishes to have living stalwarts now like those who lived in fatimad era OR or diggers and copy pasters of that ERA..
If one has to reach a mountain peak,can it reach it by looking down and digging the ground or look up to peak and try to move up towards it?
Past & deads need to be buried to live in present and move forward into future.
Mixing words such as tradition( Ginans/qasidas) to past physical customs,culture,instruments,habitats and intermingling the words tradition with tariqa and speech and farmans to prove one's shallow point can be a toxic cocktail to cling oneself into a past era.
We had over few hundred schools,hospitals,care centers,etc in last 150 years after that came one museum.
so what has been priority for ALI at tariqat level is writing on the wall.
ALI need many many thousands khidmatgars for these and maybe one historian and/or one art collector for the museum.
Understanding ALI is not an easy task.
Surprised to know that Admin visited India.
I may wish in future to meet Ismaili historians and archeologist trying to find artefacts and manuscripts of past eras.Does ALI wishes to have living stalwarts now like those who lived in fatimad era OR or diggers and copy pasters of that ERA..
If one has to reach a mountain peak,can it reach it by looking down and digging the ground or look up to peak and try to move up towards it?
Past & deads need to be buried to live in present and move forward into future.
Mixing words such as tradition( Ginans/qasidas) to past physical customs,culture,instruments,habitats and intermingling the words tradition with tariqa and speech and farmans to prove one's shallow point can be a toxic cocktail to cling oneself into a past era.
We had over few hundred schools,hospitals,care centers,etc in last 150 years after that came one museum.
so what has been priority for ALI at tariqat level is writing on the wall.
ALI need many many thousands khidmatgars for these and maybe one historian and/or one art collector for the museum.
Understanding ALI is not an easy task.
UK: Horse riding club started by Ahmadiyya Caliph hopes to attract new riders
The organization was started on the 17th July 2011, by the present Caliph of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community and hopes that more people take advantage of this amazing opportunity.
Times of Ahmad | News Watch | UK Desk
Source/Credit: Surrey Comet
By Zohaa Qaisar | April 27, 2017
Horse riding is a skill that can contribute to recreational and practical purposes such as transportation. Though the use of horses was massive only a century ago, horse riding and horse care is something that can be very costly. Horse riding lessons can range from £20 – £40 in London. Many branches asking for more for private lessons and hacks of limited time. However, at Khailun-lir-Rahman riding club, horse riding is free.
Situated in Islamabad, Farnham a small town in Surrey, Khailun-lir-Rahman riding club offers free riding lessons with trained instructors and beautiful, healthy horses. As a non-profit organisation, its goal is to offer horse riding skills and horse care skills to everybody of all ages. The organisation was started on the 17th July 2011, by the present Caliph of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community and hopes that more people take advantage of this amazing opportunity.
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https://themuslimtimes.info/2017/04/29/ ... ew-riders/
The organization was started on the 17th July 2011, by the present Caliph of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community and hopes that more people take advantage of this amazing opportunity.
Times of Ahmad | News Watch | UK Desk
Source/Credit: Surrey Comet
By Zohaa Qaisar | April 27, 2017
Horse riding is a skill that can contribute to recreational and practical purposes such as transportation. Though the use of horses was massive only a century ago, horse riding and horse care is something that can be very costly. Horse riding lessons can range from £20 – £40 in London. Many branches asking for more for private lessons and hacks of limited time. However, at Khailun-lir-Rahman riding club, horse riding is free.
Situated in Islamabad, Farnham a small town in Surrey, Khailun-lir-Rahman riding club offers free riding lessons with trained instructors and beautiful, healthy horses. As a non-profit organisation, its goal is to offer horse riding skills and horse care skills to everybody of all ages. The organisation was started on the 17th July 2011, by the present Caliph of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community and hopes that more people take advantage of this amazing opportunity.
More...
https://themuslimtimes.info/2017/04/29/ ... ew-riders/
More than 600,000 people join the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community
51st Jalsa Salana UK concluded by Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad
The 51st Jalsa Salana (Annual Convention) of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community in the United Kingdom concluded on Sunday 30 July 2017 with a powerful and faith-inspiring address by the World Head of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, the Fifth Khalifa (Caliph), His Holiness, Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad.
More than 37,000 people attended the Jalsa Salana, which took place at Hadeeqatul Mahdi in Alton, Hampshire.
Apart from the thousands of Ahmadi Muslims who participated, many non-Ahmadi and non-Muslim guests also attended. The entire event was also broadcast live on MTA International and streamed online.
A highlight of the three-day Jalsa Salana was the pledge of allegiance, known as Bai’at, that took place on Sunday afternoon, where the participants pledged allegiance to Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad as the Fifth Khalifa (Caliph) of the Promised Messiah (peace be upon him). The participants formed a human chain leading to the Khalifa as they repeated the words of the pledge in unison.
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http://www.pressahmadiyya.com/press-rel ... community/
51st Jalsa Salana UK concluded by Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad
The 51st Jalsa Salana (Annual Convention) of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community in the United Kingdom concluded on Sunday 30 July 2017 with a powerful and faith-inspiring address by the World Head of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, the Fifth Khalifa (Caliph), His Holiness, Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad.
More than 37,000 people attended the Jalsa Salana, which took place at Hadeeqatul Mahdi in Alton, Hampshire.
Apart from the thousands of Ahmadi Muslims who participated, many non-Ahmadi and non-Muslim guests also attended. The entire event was also broadcast live on MTA International and streamed online.
A highlight of the three-day Jalsa Salana was the pledge of allegiance, known as Bai’at, that took place on Sunday afternoon, where the participants pledged allegiance to Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad as the Fifth Khalifa (Caliph) of the Promised Messiah (peace be upon him). The participants formed a human chain leading to the Khalifa as they repeated the words of the pledge in unison.
More...
http://www.pressahmadiyya.com/press-rel ... community/
Pakistan, Land of the Intolerant
KARACHI, Pakistan — This country has a poor record of protecting its religious minorities, but we outdo ourselves when it comes to Ahmadis. Members of the sect insist on calling themselves Muslims, and we mainstream Muslims insist on treating them like the worst kind of heretics.
The day I wrote this piece, a small headline in a newspaper informed me that an Ahmadi lawyer, his wife and two-year-old child had been shot dead by gunmen at home, for being Ahmadis. Killings like this have happened so many times that the story wasn’t even the main news. On May 28, 2010, some 90 Ahmadis were killed during attacks on two mosques in Lahore. No public official attended the funerals.
You would think that the government, law enforcers and the courts would do something about such sustained acts of brutality. But they are too hard at work. I learned from another recent headline that a district court near Lahore, in eastern Pakistan, had sentenced three Ahmadi men to death for blasphemy. A fourth man was shot dead before the trial while in police custody.
It is always prudent not to ask what blasphemous act is said to have been committed, because under the law, repeating something blasphemous can itself constitute blasphemy. According to one newspaper report, the men were on trial for attempting to remove from a wall religious posters that incited hatred against Ahmadis. That’s right, they were sentenced to death for taking down posters that incited people to kill them. (The prosecution argued that since the posters were religious, removing them was an insult to the Prophet Muhammad.)
The Ahmadi (or Ahmadiyya) sect is a reformist movement founded by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad toward the end of the 19th century in the city of Qadian, in what is today the Indian part of Punjab. Ahmad claimed to be the incarnation of a Messiah promised in Islamic holy texts. That challenged the mainstream Muslim belief that Muhammad is Islam’s last and final prophet. Ahmad was accused of being an agent of the British Empire.
There are no reliable statistics about the number of Ahmadis in Pakistan today. Many Ahmadis don’t publicly identify as Ahmadi; others refuse to take part in the census. Estimates range from 500,000 to four million.
In 1974, Pakistan’s elected Parliament declared Ahmadis to be non-Muslims. Religious parties had held street protests demanding this, and even though Parliament back then was full of liberals and socialists, there was hardly a dissenting voice when the time came to pass the law.
Our Parliament today is still at it. Last week Muhammad Safdar, a son-in-law of the recently deposed prime minister, thundered against Ahmadis, demanding they be banned from joining the armed forces. He also demanded that a physics department of a university in Islamabad be renamed because in 2016 it was named after Abdus Salam, the only Pakistani scientist to become a Nobel laureate. The Pakistani government had already taken close to four decades to name anything after Mr. Salam, a theoretical physicist, because he was Ahmadi. It appears that not a single parliamentarian spoke up against Mr. Safdar’s diatribe.
Earlier this month, Parliament also changed the oath that Pakistanis are required to take to get a passport or run in an election. A standard version of the statement goes: “I hereby solemnly declare that I consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani to be an impostor nabi and also consider his followers, whether belonging to the Lahori or Qadiani group, to be non-Muslims.” (Nabi means prophet.) Language in the election law was changed from “I solemnly declare” to “I believe.”
It’s not clear why this happened. The government claims it was a clerical error. But there was a public uproar over the change, including accusations that the government was going soft on Ahmadis. Parliament promptly backtracked, and we all resumed solemnly declaring rather than just believing.
The word “Ahmadi” was hardly even used during the debate in Parliament. We prefer to call the Ahmadis “Qadianis,” meaning from Qadian. Ahmadis consider the word derogatory, which is why we use it.
I got a call a few months ago from my family who still lives in my ancestral village in Punjab. A stranger had come asking about me, I was told. He claimed to be my friend from school. While I was still trying to put a forgotten face to the name, my relative asked, “Is your friend a Qadiani?” I suddenly remembered the boy from my school who was indeed a friend and happened to be Ahmadi. I asked the relative, “How did you know he was a Qadiani?” The reply shouldn’t have shocked me, but it did. “I have an inbuilt Qadiani detector. I can always smell them.”
I wanted to remind my relative that when I was a kid and he was a young man, all his best friends were Ahmadis and I had seen him locked in our bathroom smoking his first cigarette with those infidels. But then I remembered the slap.
It must have been around 1974. I was about nine years old and was taking my Quran lessons. My teacher was gentle. At the time, protesters in the bazaars were asking shoppers not to go to Ahmadi-owned shops. I asked my teacher who the Ahmadis were, and he patiently explained that they were heretics, because they challenged the notion that Muhammad was Islam’s last prophet. I said, even if they are heretics, does Islam say we can’t buy stuff from their shops? The slap was full and hard.
As I grew up, Ahmadis went from being treated as zealous reformist Muslims to non-Muslims to kafir, or heretics — worse even than Hindus or Jews. In the mid-1980s, a decade after Ahmadis were declared non-Muslims, another set of laws forbade them to act like Muslims.
This is the tricky bit, because Ahmadis insist on calling themselves Muslim and behave like Muslims. They pray in mosques, they call out the azaan at prayer time, they say “assalam alaikum,” they invoke Allah’s will or his mercy — and every time they do any of the above, they violate the law of the land. If they call their mosque a mosque, they become criminals. If they call their daily prayers namaz, as Muslims do, they risk imprisonment. Ahmadis have been charged with blasphemy for printing a verse of the Quran on wedding invitations.
Early this month, I saw Pakistan’s foreign minister, Khawaja Muhammad Asif, give an interview on television. He had just returned from a tour of the United States and had been accused of hobnobbing with Ahmadis while there. He was at pains to explain that he had never met an Ahmadi in his life. To prove his point, he said that once, while he was sitting in a restaurant in Islamabad, two boys came up to get a selfie with him. “I asked them, ‘I hope you are not Qadianis.’” The foreign minister and the show host shared a hearty laugh.
I called up my long-lost Ahmadi friend recently and the brief conversation that followed was full of blasphemies. He was acting all Muslim. “Assalam alaikum,” he greeted me. By the grace of Allah, he said, he still has a job. Sometimes, when people suspect him of being Ahmadi, he is thrown out of shops or business meetings. But Allah is kind, my friend insisted. His wife, a teacher of fashion design, still has a job at a university — though she doesn’t use the staff room because some people have become suspicious. The kids are doing well, thanks to Allah, but he has told them not to tell even their closest friends that they are Ahmadis.
He tried to make us both feel better: Thanks to Allah, it’s not as bad for us as it is for Shias. Look how many of them get killed for their beliefs.
Pakistan was essentially created to protect the religious and economic rights of Muslims who were a minority before India’s partition in 1947. But since the country’s inception, we have created new minorities and keep finding new ways to torment them.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/opin ... dline&te=1
KARACHI, Pakistan — This country has a poor record of protecting its religious minorities, but we outdo ourselves when it comes to Ahmadis. Members of the sect insist on calling themselves Muslims, and we mainstream Muslims insist on treating them like the worst kind of heretics.
The day I wrote this piece, a small headline in a newspaper informed me that an Ahmadi lawyer, his wife and two-year-old child had been shot dead by gunmen at home, for being Ahmadis. Killings like this have happened so many times that the story wasn’t even the main news. On May 28, 2010, some 90 Ahmadis were killed during attacks on two mosques in Lahore. No public official attended the funerals.
You would think that the government, law enforcers and the courts would do something about such sustained acts of brutality. But they are too hard at work. I learned from another recent headline that a district court near Lahore, in eastern Pakistan, had sentenced three Ahmadi men to death for blasphemy. A fourth man was shot dead before the trial while in police custody.
It is always prudent not to ask what blasphemous act is said to have been committed, because under the law, repeating something blasphemous can itself constitute blasphemy. According to one newspaper report, the men were on trial for attempting to remove from a wall religious posters that incited hatred against Ahmadis. That’s right, they were sentenced to death for taking down posters that incited people to kill them. (The prosecution argued that since the posters were religious, removing them was an insult to the Prophet Muhammad.)
The Ahmadi (or Ahmadiyya) sect is a reformist movement founded by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad toward the end of the 19th century in the city of Qadian, in what is today the Indian part of Punjab. Ahmad claimed to be the incarnation of a Messiah promised in Islamic holy texts. That challenged the mainstream Muslim belief that Muhammad is Islam’s last and final prophet. Ahmad was accused of being an agent of the British Empire.
There are no reliable statistics about the number of Ahmadis in Pakistan today. Many Ahmadis don’t publicly identify as Ahmadi; others refuse to take part in the census. Estimates range from 500,000 to four million.
In 1974, Pakistan’s elected Parliament declared Ahmadis to be non-Muslims. Religious parties had held street protests demanding this, and even though Parliament back then was full of liberals and socialists, there was hardly a dissenting voice when the time came to pass the law.
Our Parliament today is still at it. Last week Muhammad Safdar, a son-in-law of the recently deposed prime minister, thundered against Ahmadis, demanding they be banned from joining the armed forces. He also demanded that a physics department of a university in Islamabad be renamed because in 2016 it was named after Abdus Salam, the only Pakistani scientist to become a Nobel laureate. The Pakistani government had already taken close to four decades to name anything after Mr. Salam, a theoretical physicist, because he was Ahmadi. It appears that not a single parliamentarian spoke up against Mr. Safdar’s diatribe.
Earlier this month, Parliament also changed the oath that Pakistanis are required to take to get a passport or run in an election. A standard version of the statement goes: “I hereby solemnly declare that I consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani to be an impostor nabi and also consider his followers, whether belonging to the Lahori or Qadiani group, to be non-Muslims.” (Nabi means prophet.) Language in the election law was changed from “I solemnly declare” to “I believe.”
It’s not clear why this happened. The government claims it was a clerical error. But there was a public uproar over the change, including accusations that the government was going soft on Ahmadis. Parliament promptly backtracked, and we all resumed solemnly declaring rather than just believing.
The word “Ahmadi” was hardly even used during the debate in Parliament. We prefer to call the Ahmadis “Qadianis,” meaning from Qadian. Ahmadis consider the word derogatory, which is why we use it.
I got a call a few months ago from my family who still lives in my ancestral village in Punjab. A stranger had come asking about me, I was told. He claimed to be my friend from school. While I was still trying to put a forgotten face to the name, my relative asked, “Is your friend a Qadiani?” I suddenly remembered the boy from my school who was indeed a friend and happened to be Ahmadi. I asked the relative, “How did you know he was a Qadiani?” The reply shouldn’t have shocked me, but it did. “I have an inbuilt Qadiani detector. I can always smell them.”
I wanted to remind my relative that when I was a kid and he was a young man, all his best friends were Ahmadis and I had seen him locked in our bathroom smoking his first cigarette with those infidels. But then I remembered the slap.
It must have been around 1974. I was about nine years old and was taking my Quran lessons. My teacher was gentle. At the time, protesters in the bazaars were asking shoppers not to go to Ahmadi-owned shops. I asked my teacher who the Ahmadis were, and he patiently explained that they were heretics, because they challenged the notion that Muhammad was Islam’s last prophet. I said, even if they are heretics, does Islam say we can’t buy stuff from their shops? The slap was full and hard.
As I grew up, Ahmadis went from being treated as zealous reformist Muslims to non-Muslims to kafir, or heretics — worse even than Hindus or Jews. In the mid-1980s, a decade after Ahmadis were declared non-Muslims, another set of laws forbade them to act like Muslims.
This is the tricky bit, because Ahmadis insist on calling themselves Muslim and behave like Muslims. They pray in mosques, they call out the azaan at prayer time, they say “assalam alaikum,” they invoke Allah’s will or his mercy — and every time they do any of the above, they violate the law of the land. If they call their mosque a mosque, they become criminals. If they call their daily prayers namaz, as Muslims do, they risk imprisonment. Ahmadis have been charged with blasphemy for printing a verse of the Quran on wedding invitations.
Early this month, I saw Pakistan’s foreign minister, Khawaja Muhammad Asif, give an interview on television. He had just returned from a tour of the United States and had been accused of hobnobbing with Ahmadis while there. He was at pains to explain that he had never met an Ahmadi in his life. To prove his point, he said that once, while he was sitting in a restaurant in Islamabad, two boys came up to get a selfie with him. “I asked them, ‘I hope you are not Qadianis.’” The foreign minister and the show host shared a hearty laugh.
I called up my long-lost Ahmadi friend recently and the brief conversation that followed was full of blasphemies. He was acting all Muslim. “Assalam alaikum,” he greeted me. By the grace of Allah, he said, he still has a job. Sometimes, when people suspect him of being Ahmadi, he is thrown out of shops or business meetings. But Allah is kind, my friend insisted. His wife, a teacher of fashion design, still has a job at a university — though she doesn’t use the staff room because some people have become suspicious. The kids are doing well, thanks to Allah, but he has told them not to tell even their closest friends that they are Ahmadis.
He tried to make us both feel better: Thanks to Allah, it’s not as bad for us as it is for Shias. Look how many of them get killed for their beliefs.
Pakistan was essentially created to protect the religious and economic rights of Muslims who were a minority before India’s partition in 1947. But since the country’s inception, we have created new minorities and keep finding new ways to torment them.
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Ahmadiyya Muslims - one of the organizers of World Religious Conference in Canada.
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kmaherali wrote:Ahmadiyya Muslims - one of the organizers of World Religious Conference in Canada.
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To Admin:
You deleted my question thrown to kmaherali. Lately I have noticed that when ever I ask or discuss any question with kmaherali, you at once pop up and cover him. Please stop baby sitting kmaherali. Let me ask the same question again.
To kmaherali:
What are your comments about following paragraph, you mentioned from "World relgions confrernce".
"The Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama`at is the largest organized Muslim Community in World. It was founded by Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, India in 1889. He claimed to be the Promised Messiah and al-Imam al-Mahdi, whose advent was awaited by the world community of religions. The Community established by Hazrat Ahmad is an embodiment of the benevolent message of all world religions; peace, universal brotherhood, and submission to the Will of God".
Your question was misplaced and was about which religion he follows and if he believs in Mirza. This is not acceptable. If you want to ask personal question, use email. Unless you start using the Forum properly, your messages will be deleted again.shivaathervedi wrote:
To Admin:
You deleted my question thrown to kmaherali.
I am just impressed by their organization and activities.shivaathervedi wrote:
To kmaherali:
What are your comments about following paragraph, you mentioned from "World relgions confrernce".
"The Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama`at is the largest organized Muslim Community in World. It was founded by Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, India in 1889. He claimed to be the Promised Messiah and al-Imam al-Mahdi, whose advent was awaited by the world community of religions. The Community established by Hazrat Ahmad is an embodiment of the benevolent message of all world religions; peace, universal brotherhood, and submission to the Will of God".
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Sir, if you are impressed by their activities should have shed light on those and not mentioning an article which is against basic Islamic values. I thought it is for open discussions.kmaherali wrote:I am just impressed by their organization and activities.shivaathervedi wrote:
To kmaherali:
What are your comments about following paragraph, you mentioned from "World relgions confrernce".
"The Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama`at is the largest organized Muslim Community in World. It was founded by Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, India in 1889. He claimed to be the Promised Messiah and al-Imam al-Mahdi, whose advent was awaited by the world community of religions. The Community established by Hazrat Ahmad is an embodiment of the benevolent message of all world religions; peace, universal brotherhood, and submission to the Will of God".
"Of course there are many different interpretations. But the differences in interpretation is not a problem in Islam. I would even go so far as to say that Islam is a very broad religion. There's a very famous line by Allah in the Quran: "I have created you from one soul." With that line, he meant all of humanity." (Agakhan IV, Deutsche Welle 12 September Interview conducted by Günter Knabe )shivaathervedi wrote: Sir, if you are impressed by their activities should have shed light on those and not mentioning an article which is against basic Islamic values. I thought it is for open discussions.
"To be Muslim in the universal sense is to be one who longs to turn completely toward the ultimate Source, in Arabic called Allah. Who is and who is not truly Muslim is a secret known only to Allah Most High. No human being can judge another concerning this most intimate experience of affirming and returning to the One Reality. The question of where a person stands along the exalted way of Islam, of whether one practices the five times daily prayer, or even which prophet one follows among the many sent by Allah, can only be a subject for dialogue between the soul and its All-Merciful Lord. There can be no compulsion or persecution in authentic Islam. Whoever affirms and longs to return to the ultimate Source of the universe is the beloved spiritual sister or brother of the true Muslim. Since every soul is a ray from the Divine Light, this longing to turn and to return is the secret essence of each person. Thus all humanity, even all creation, is Muslim".(Heart of Islam by Lex Hixon)
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The claim by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is not valid according to Islamic Ta'limaat, and is against the ethics of Faith. He claimed himself Prophet after Prophet Muhammad, and Jesus, and Al Mahdi. This claim is against Ismaili principles also.
I learnt from reliable source that they established and organized their institutions by copying Ismaili institutions in the beginning.
I learnt from reliable source that they established and organized their institutions by copying Ismaili institutions in the beginning.
All that is irrelevant. Ismailis believe that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was the last Prophet.
We do not judge others. Nor do we give Fatwa to other people. This is why we are called human (Insan) instead of insane. To each his own faith.
Only Allah can judge. No one should try to remove this prerogative from Allah.
We do not judge others. Nor do we give Fatwa to other people. This is why we are called human (Insan) instead of insane. To each his own faith.
Only Allah can judge. No one should try to remove this prerogative from Allah.
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I agree. You wrote," Only Allah can judge. No one should try to remove this prerogative from Allah". This is what is according to our Du'a Ta'limaat and Preamble explanation, as well as Imam said.Admin wrote:All that is irrelevant. Ismailis believe that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was the last Prophet.
We do not judge others. Nor do we give Fatwa to other people. This is why we are called human (Insan) instead of insane. To each his own faith.
Only Allah can judge. No one should try to remove this prerogative from Allah.
“Salam” a feature length documentary about the Nobel prize winning Pakistani physicist who was an Ahmaddiyah.
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Dr. Abdus Salam passed away in Oxford, England on 21 November 1996. He is buried next to his parents in Rabwah, Pakistan.
From a historical perspective, Rabwah is from where Muhammad Bin Qasim, after conquering Sindh and Multan, crossed Chenab River and moved towards Kashmir. Here the Arabs fought against the Hindu Raja of "Chandrod" (which is probably the ancient name of Chiniot) and conquered it. More than 100 Arab soldiers lost their lives in the battle and a "Graveyard of Martyrs" exists to this day in Chiniot.
Before the establishment of Rabwah, the area was barren and was known as "Chak Digiyaan". The land was leased by the Ahmadiyya Community (declared non Muslim community as per 1973 constitution of Islamic Republic of Pakistan) following the migration of most of its members from Qadian and other parts of Indian Punjab, the old headquarters, to newly created Pakistan. 1034 Acres of land were leased originally from the government for PKR 12,000. The lease was approved on 11 June 1948 The city was named Rabwah by then leader of the Ahmadiyya Community , Mirza Basheer-ud-Din Mahmood Ahmad. Rabwah is an Arabic word meaning an "elevated place". The formal inauguration of the settlement took place on 20 September 1948. The ceremony was attended by 619 people The place where Mirza Basheer-ud-Din Mahmood Ahmad led first ever prayers became the first ever mosque of Rabwah, the Yadgaar (literally Memorial) Mosque. The first settlements were in camps which were then replaced by buildings constructed of mud. The first ever building constructed using cement was the Mahmood Mosque.
The second Caliph of the Ahmadiyya Community, Mirza Basheer-ud-Din Mahmood Ahmad relocated to Rabwah on 19th of Sept 1949. By that time the population had swelled to 1,000. The first ever Jalsa Salana in Rabwah took place in Rabwah took place from 15 to 17 April 1949. 17,000 people attended this Jalsa. The electricity was provisioned to the city in 1954.
Name change
The Punjab Assembly passed a resolution on 17 November 1998 to change the name of Rabwah. The government of Punjab issued a notification on 12 December that Rabwah town was renamed ‘Nawan Qadian’ with immediate effect. On 14 February 1999, another notification was issued that in suppression of the earlier notification, the Nawan Qadian was renamed as ‘Chenab Nagar’ (meaning The Town of Chenab). The other considered names were Chak Dhaggian, Mustafa Abad, and Siddiq Abad.
Persecution of Ahmadis § Pakistan
As the city is the only Ahmadi majority City in Pakistan, its residents oftentimes face many difficulties due to Ordinance XX. The residents have been denied the right to hold peaceful religious gatherings since 1983. In 1989, an F. I. R. was registered by Punjab police against the whole of the population of the city for the crime that they were displaying Quranic texts on their graves and buildings.
From a historical perspective, Rabwah is from where Muhammad Bin Qasim, after conquering Sindh and Multan, crossed Chenab River and moved towards Kashmir. Here the Arabs fought against the Hindu Raja of "Chandrod" (which is probably the ancient name of Chiniot) and conquered it. More than 100 Arab soldiers lost their lives in the battle and a "Graveyard of Martyrs" exists to this day in Chiniot.
Before the establishment of Rabwah, the area was barren and was known as "Chak Digiyaan". The land was leased by the Ahmadiyya Community (declared non Muslim community as per 1973 constitution of Islamic Republic of Pakistan) following the migration of most of its members from Qadian and other parts of Indian Punjab, the old headquarters, to newly created Pakistan. 1034 Acres of land were leased originally from the government for PKR 12,000. The lease was approved on 11 June 1948 The city was named Rabwah by then leader of the Ahmadiyya Community , Mirza Basheer-ud-Din Mahmood Ahmad. Rabwah is an Arabic word meaning an "elevated place". The formal inauguration of the settlement took place on 20 September 1948. The ceremony was attended by 619 people The place where Mirza Basheer-ud-Din Mahmood Ahmad led first ever prayers became the first ever mosque of Rabwah, the Yadgaar (literally Memorial) Mosque. The first settlements were in camps which were then replaced by buildings constructed of mud. The first ever building constructed using cement was the Mahmood Mosque.
The second Caliph of the Ahmadiyya Community, Mirza Basheer-ud-Din Mahmood Ahmad relocated to Rabwah on 19th of Sept 1949. By that time the population had swelled to 1,000. The first ever Jalsa Salana in Rabwah took place in Rabwah took place from 15 to 17 April 1949. 17,000 people attended this Jalsa. The electricity was provisioned to the city in 1954.
Name change
The Punjab Assembly passed a resolution on 17 November 1998 to change the name of Rabwah. The government of Punjab issued a notification on 12 December that Rabwah town was renamed ‘Nawan Qadian’ with immediate effect. On 14 February 1999, another notification was issued that in suppression of the earlier notification, the Nawan Qadian was renamed as ‘Chenab Nagar’ (meaning The Town of Chenab). The other considered names were Chak Dhaggian, Mustafa Abad, and Siddiq Abad.
Persecution of Ahmadis § Pakistan
As the city is the only Ahmadi majority City in Pakistan, its residents oftentimes face many difficulties due to Ordinance XX. The residents have been denied the right to hold peaceful religious gatherings since 1983. In 1989, an F. I. R. was registered by Punjab police against the whole of the population of the city for the crime that they were displaying Quranic texts on their graves and buildings.