Where INGLA PINGLA & SUKHMANA located

ismaili103 · Post by **ismaili103** » Thu May 02, 2013 12:16 pm

as i read in many ginans that ingla pingla and sukhmana are the nerves which helps us in meditation but i want to know where this nerves located and how can it helps us......

A big ques arise in my mind when my father said to me dont recite word in meditation( not even in heart) just concentrate on the lyrics of word....

i want to know what can i do recite the word in my heart or just concentrate on it like make thy image of word ALI in mind and jst concentrate on it....?????? HELP MEEEEEEE

Post by **Admin** » Fri May 03, 2013 4:38 am

You can meditate while repeating the Name, fast or slow, but of course this is spiritual so it has to be from your heart, not from your mouth. The confluent of Ingla, Pingla with the invisible Sukhsmanra from the spiritual world at the pint named Bhamar Gufa is were the Didar will happen. These re not physical matters so obviously it can not be explained.

ismaili103 · Post by **ismaili103** » Fri May 03, 2013 4:56 am

what about thy concentration on thy image of thy name of ALI..????

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:23 pm

You asked a "Yoga/meditation but very interesting question brother.
Ingla, Pingla and Sukshmana are "NAADI" nerves.

Some peoples are beleive that taking breath from your right nostril call Pingla and taking breath using left nostril called Inda.
But Most of time both nostrils are not open same time but after one and half hour both nostril open just for 1-2 minutes which is called "SUKSHMNA" this is great time for meditation.

Sukshmna is situated in our backbone and it is not visible.

If you like to read more about this then read "YOG SUTRA' of Maharshi Patanjali which is available in English and other languages too.

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:19 pm

You can meditate while repeating the Name, fast or slow, but of course this is spiritual so it has to be from your heart, not from your mouth. The confluent of Ingla, Pingla with the invisible Sukhsmanra from the spiritual world at the pint named Bhamar Gufa is were the Didar will happen. These re not physical matters so obviously it can not be explained.

Very well said again !!!.....But I have 1 quick question

Does Bhamar Gufa means Heart ??

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:56 pm

I found this very interesting article to share....

http://simerg.com/literary-readings/lit ... %E2%80%9D/

ismaili103 · Post by **ismaili103** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:52 pm

to brother shiraz virani:

BHAMAR GHUFAA is not heart it is the cyclone like tunnel between our both eyes where images combined which we saw frm two eyes...

bud in meditation when we concentrate in BOL the BOL enters in BHAMAR GHUFAA and one SPARK happen but this SPARK is not DIDAAR this is just a first step of success but spark of NOOR in BHAMR GHUFAA is not permanent it just for a second....

DEEDAR take placce in in top middle of our brain.and in top middle there is an hole which is not visible by naked eyes our pir called this hole(DASMO DWAR) tenth door......

in top middle there is seed of intelligence and in intelligence where SPIRIT has THRONE.....

SPIRIT=rooh,aathmaa
SOUL= life force,jeev(accordng to pir), hayat ud dunya(accordng to QURAN)

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:21 am

Keep entertaining.

What r Ingla, Pingla, Gufa ,Parvat, specialist upto ?

Is any of these word and it's message,research or findings endorsed and expanded by any of our Imams.

INGLA PINGLA HAI TO PHIR AAYAT AUR FARMAN SE KYA LENA DENA
AUR BHAHES KARNA.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:20 pm

Shiraz,

Not long ago, I asked same question in different thread that ; What is " "Bhamar Gufa " please visit following link and it will take you right over there.
http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... hamar+gufa
Thanks.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:32 pm

is any of these word and it's message,research or findings endorsed and expanded by any of our Imams.

Our ginans are loaded about above words, and if I am not forgetting Sultan Mohammed Shah ( s.a.) used to suggest 'Breathing meditation method" to some Jamati members now this " breathing meditation method" is nothing else but ' SWASOSHWAS NI BANDAGI' શ્વાસોશ્વાસ ની બંદગી and in this method you can find these words i.e. ingla, pingla, sukshmana and Bhamar Gufa, BOSS. Means SMS indirectly insisted about above words.

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:30 pm

Ismaili103 said :

to brother shiraz virani:

BHAMAR GHUFAA is not heart it is the cyclone like tunnel between our both eyes where images combined which we saw frm two eyes...

bud in meditation when we concentrate in BOL the BOL enters in BHAMAR GHUFAA and one SPARK happen but this SPARK is not DIDAAR this is just a first step of success but spark of NOOR in BHAMR GHUFAA is not permanent it just for a second....

DEEDAR take placce in in top middle of our brain.and in top middle there is an hole which is not visible by naked eyes our pir called this hole(DASMO DWAR) tenth door......

in top middle there is seed of intelligence and in intelligence where SPIRIT has THRONE.....

SPIRIT=rooh,aathmaa
SOUL= life force,jeev(accordng to pir), hayat ud dunya(accordng to QURAN)

Apologies Ismaili103 for late response but thank you so very much for giving a detailed info...Appreciate it !!

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:34 pm

I have one more question....Is this DASMO DWAR similar to DASAM DUAR in sikh philosophy ??

ismaili103 · Post by **ismaili103** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:06 am

to shiraz virani:

i dont know much about shikhism but one thing i want to say that according to sikhism DASM DUAR is BHAMAR GHUFAA but according to our PIR ginans DASM DUAR is tenth door. according to our PIR there are ten doors in our body frm which SOUL exit after death...thy TEN DOORS are:-

1)invisible hole in middle of brain(pure and paak door)
2)first eye
3)second eye
4)first hole in nostril
5)second"........."...."
6)right ear
7)left ear
8)mouth
9)organ of urinating(penis)
10)anus

acoording to our PIR thy soul of pious,paak person is exit frm DASMO DUAR after death.
and soul of very dirty,sinful, person is exit frm (penis and Anus)

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:39 am

Brother Ismaili103 can you provide the link for that ginan [or the name of the ginan] ??

Also what should I chant/recite in order to get that pure vision ?? Are there any particular verses or anything that I should concentrate upon ?? And should it be practiced on certain time ?

And then agakhani bhai said something about swaas ni dua or something...does that mean YOGA ??

ismaili103 · Post by **ismaili103** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:59 am

i dont have any link of this ginan but i listen this in one waez of late abu ali missionary and all above info i share. i listen some verse in waez wid no RAAg and i search it in new heritage but i cant find it.....i will give u name of waez very soon...

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:49 pm

I have one more question....Is this DASMO DWAR similar to DASAM DUAR in sikh philosophy ??

Of course not, but as a Urdu knowinger you should know the meaning of 'Daur' !It seems that you are intentionally ask questions!!!

Any way, you as a Urdu reader ( Dakkan Hyderabadi) I should not have to tell you the meaning of "Daur" and "Dwar".

Any way "Daur" means certain period,time, Zamana; for a example this is "dasmo Daur" nine daur has been passed and this is last 10 the daur( dasamo nakalanki avatar" as per many religions including Ismailism.

" Dwar" means Entrance door " darwaza in Urdu".

Now about question:-

Sikhism doesn't believe in " Ten incarnations" like Hinduisms, Ismailism and many other religions believes, Sikhism have their own ten "Gurus" like Nanak, Arjunsingh.

Remember this Sikhism is man made religion, there are many other man made religion which follows their guru's instructions like near Sugar Land area there is very beautiful temple of Swaminaraynais, but these religion is also man made religion and not "god sent" religion. I have many freinds who follows "Sant Saibaba". I tell them he was a human being.

After this clarification: you can start your own religion!!!! just kidding bro.

but don't stop to come in a true Ismaili religion website and forum, Ismailism is a part of Islam but it has different way to worship Almighty. Allah.

ismaili103 · Post by **ismaili103** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:23 am

but guru nanek is thy student of Pir shams so i think his teachigs are related to ismailism...???

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:47 am

As per my own study, I couldn't find any evidence that Nanak was Pir Shams's student however I found many ginanic words in "Granth Saheb" and in " Gurubani". It shows that Nanak had some kind connection with Ismaili pirs at his time it might be possible that some pirs before Pir Shams may come in touch with Nanak.
But these two great saint has big difference, they were not even contemporary either.
Pir Shams was born on 15 Shaban 588 H.year and year was 1192 as per current calender when Guru Nank was born on 15 April and year was 1469, so there were 275 year difference between these two saints,
so it might possible that Nanak might be influenced with any other Ismaili pirs but not pir Shams.
For your information Sikh religion's religious book is " Granth Saheb " in this book you can find almost all religions good teaching, whatever Nanak found interesting he wrote down it in Granth Saheb, no matter from which religion it was belogns to he found so, in other word GS is Khichada of all religions.

ShamsB · Post by **ShamsB** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:48 pm

ismaili103 wrote:but guru nanek is thy student of Pir shams so i think his teachigs are related to ismailism...???

The grandfather of Guru Nanak was called Sabhaga - he was the student of Pir Shams - we have a granth addressed to ' Sabhaga'

E - Sabhaga is the beginning of all the verses of the granth. Pir addressed the entire Granth to this individual.

Shams

ismaili103 · Post by **ismaili103** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:11 am

Thankyou both for sharing gud info..

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:54 am

Of course not, but as a Urdu knowinger you should know the meaning of 'Daur' !It seems that you are intentionally ask questions!!!

Any way, you as a Urdu reader ( Dakkan Hyderabadi) I should not have to tell you the meaning of "Daur" and "Dwar".

Any way "Daur" means certain period,time, Zamana; for a example this is "dasmo Daur" nine daur has been passed and this is last 10 the daur( dasamo nakalanki avatar" as per many religions including Ismailism.

I think you haven't read what I wrote thoroughly my friend... I asked

I have one more question....Is this DASMO DWAR similar to DASAM DUAR in sikh philosophy ??

I think you got twisted with DAUR AND DUAR....I never said DAUR....I was referring to DUAR/DWAR which is one and the same !!!

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:16 pm

Ismaili103 :

I dont have any link of this ginan but i listen this in one waez of late abu ali missionary and all above info i share. i listen some verse in waez wid no RAAg and i search it in new heritage but i cant find it.....i will give u name of waez very soon..

The ginan is called Sakhi Mahaapad keree vaat by pir sadardeen

http://www.ismaili.net/granths/gin0089.html

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:42 pm

I think you haven't read what I wrote thoroughly my friend... I asked

My bad, I haven't read your post thoroughly. no hesitation to accept my mistake.