YAM
I'm raising a child and I have a question to make to all of you.
I've also read the related topic
http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... opic&t=239
and to be honest i don't that statement is enough.
How can you make a child understand that? Even if , he accepts how will be able to explain and convice his friends, teachers, colegues that he cannot eat Pork meat, if everyone else eats.
The statement from the farman
"Pigs meat has been forbidden in our history for more then 1300 years. It causes savagery in the human being. "
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"part from the Quran prohibiting the consumption of pork,bacon (pig flesh); in fact the Bible too in Leviticus chapter 11, verse 8"
This is enough if you are older and you are a beliver on your faith and religion.
Even the science statement that is a unhealthy meat is not conclusive enough, in the last decade we have Chicken flue & Mad cow deases, so the the consumer trust is not that high in these kind of meats vs. Big/pork meat.
All that said, I'm sorry for the long email, what would be a plausible justification to a youg kid that will start to go to school and has to control what kind of meat is being offered to him, and more important that he has to enough Strengh to say NO.
Once again thanks for the help to give some light on this issue.
YAM
Moises
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Children: What to say to your children about Pork comsuption
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star_munir
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If Imam said not to eat pork that means not to eat at all in any condition.
I think you have to teach your kids that the word of Imam is word of God and you have to follow it in any condition and although Imam is not physically present with you but he knows every thing so you must not eat pork . I think this would be enough explanation the reason simply it is not allowed by our Imam. Why?? When Imam said any Farman we must not argue why such Farman is made we must try our best to act on it.
I think you have to teach your kids that the word of Imam is word of God and you have to follow it in any condition and although Imam is not physically present with you but he knows every thing so you must not eat pork . I think this would be enough explanation the reason simply it is not allowed by our Imam. Why?? When Imam said any Farman we must not argue why such Farman is made we must try our best to act on it.
Love
Looking for ways to explain this issue
This is what I have used in the past.
"Pork is among the best tasting meats in the world. Thats why we sacrifice it for our faith, we dont eat pork"
Another variation can be :
We love Hazar Imam so much that we sacrifice pork for him. Because he asked us not to eat it.
This is what I have used in the past.
"Pork is among the best tasting meats in the world. Thats why we sacrifice it for our faith, we dont eat pork"
Another variation can be :
We love Hazar Imam so much that we sacrifice pork for him. Because he asked us not to eat it.
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star_munir
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Pork
This is one way to explain to non Ismailies.
Once when I was brand new in USA a guy I worked with who I knew was vegetarian offered me a piece of pizza.
I assumed that since he was vegetarian there wouldn't be any meat in it. Well it was the best tasting food I had eaten so I asked him what kind of pizza it was and he says pepperoni (a kind of pork meat). He was a pork eating vegetarian lol.
So trust me star_munir pork is one of the tastiest meats. And I sacrifice that great taste because my Mowla directed me to not eat pork.
Shams
Once when I was brand new in USA a guy I worked with who I knew was vegetarian offered me a piece of pizza.
I assumed that since he was vegetarian there wouldn't be any meat in it. Well it was the best tasting food I had eaten so I asked him what kind of pizza it was and he says pepperoni (a kind of pork meat). He was a pork eating vegetarian lol.
So trust me star_munir pork is one of the tastiest meats. And I sacrifice that great taste because my Mowla directed me to not eat pork.
Shams
I had heard this story in a Waaz i beleive that a mother was travelling with little children, they were too far away from the city, had nothing to eat and they found a dead Ass/donkey. Mother couldnt see her kids suffering from hunger so she ended up feeding them donkeys meet. According to the waazin it was ok for her to feed her children the forbiden meet in that situation.
In my opinion our faith allowes as exceptions in many situations. for example during fasting if you get sick you can break the fast. if you are travelling you dont need to fast, like we can recite Ya Allah, Ya Ali, or Ya Muhammad instead of Dua in certain situations. Islam is not the religion that makes you torture your body.
But exceptions should only be made when we are left with no other choice. For me as a grown man, Fasting in order to avoid eating pork seems like a better choice. But I wouldnt enforce that on a little kid with same rigidity.
In my opinion our faith allowes as exceptions in many situations. for example during fasting if you get sick you can break the fast. if you are travelling you dont need to fast, like we can recite Ya Allah, Ya Ali, or Ya Muhammad instead of Dua in certain situations. Islam is not the religion that makes you torture your body.
But exceptions should only be made when we are left with no other choice. For me as a grown man, Fasting in order to avoid eating pork seems like a better choice. But I wouldnt enforce that on a little kid with same rigidity.
YAM All,
Thanks for your feedback since I posted this topic.
Let me add a different perpective to the same question.
Most of us live in an Modern World and we are subject everyday to diferent lifestyles than our parents had and we all are subject to pressure from the society.
Now there are 2 levels of living in society that I want to separate:
1) Living in islamic country or being with with our fellow Muslims or Ismaily friends/family.
2) Living in a country were Islam is a Minority and most of your friends and collegues are non muslims, and therefore have diferent beliefs that us.
So far the answers that I received are for Option 1 but non that are "Strong" enough for the Option 2.
So allow me to relauch the debate on this subject so I can get a better feel on what you say to your non muslim about why we don't eat PORK meat.
Thanks
Moises
Thanks for your feedback since I posted this topic.
Let me add a different perpective to the same question.
Most of us live in an Modern World and we are subject everyday to diferent lifestyles than our parents had and we all are subject to pressure from the society.
Now there are 2 levels of living in society that I want to separate:
1) Living in islamic country or being with with our fellow Muslims or Ismaily friends/family.
2) Living in a country were Islam is a Minority and most of your friends and collegues are non muslims, and therefore have diferent beliefs that us.
So far the answers that I received are for Option 1 but non that are "Strong" enough for the Option 2.
So allow me to relauch the debate on this subject so I can get a better feel on what you say to your non muslim about why we don't eat PORK meat.
Thanks
Moises
everything in islam......i mean the all the practical things which are said to followed in islam had some due reasons...<BR><BR>The reason behind pork consumption is:<BR>- Scientifically proved that pork meat is not good for health. I mean leave all the other stuff......what islam says.....think practically this is not good for you or not!!!<BR><BR>There are somethings in islam which are imposed becuase you maintain a healthy life, our bodies are given us as an 'imanat' by god, we have to take care of it!<BR><BR>
many years ago i heard a lecture by a prominent moslem scholar explaining why moslems refrain from consumption of pork. From what i remember, he said that the mollecular makeup of pork meat is similar to the makeup of flesh of carnivorous animals whichare seldom or never consumed by other creatures. The other reason was the way in which the pig is killed before slaughter - by gunshot. Islam requires blood to be drained from the body of animals killed for consumption as a health precaution (blood carries majority of the diseases). Pigs are historically not slaughtered in the same manner.
There's a logical scientific reason for this...
hello all,
Blood in meat is very toxic - and very harmful for human consumption regardless of how well the meat is cooked...
Red Meat (the tastiest kind) has a lot of blood content in it...hence RED...
When cows/poultry are slaughtered, the process entails cutting their jugular veins - which, effectively, drains almost all blood out of their system while they are still alive -- the animal only dies after a significant amount of blood is out of their system...
With pigs, unfortunately, before one can get to their jugular veins; the animal is dead - leaving behind very high levels of blood in the meat...
Blood in meat (even in cattle and poultry) is scientifically linked to numerous disorders of the brain, digestive system, and nervous system...with pork you are guaranteed very high levels of blood in meat...
The issue of pork (flesh of the swine) being forbidden is also in Christian Scriptures - look up the Bible, see:
Leviticus 11:7-8 :: And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you.
and
Deuteronomy 14:8 :: And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass.
and the book of Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5
Hope this is helpful...
regards,
RaDawo
Blood in meat is very toxic - and very harmful for human consumption regardless of how well the meat is cooked...
Red Meat (the tastiest kind) has a lot of blood content in it...hence RED...
When cows/poultry are slaughtered, the process entails cutting their jugular veins - which, effectively, drains almost all blood out of their system while they are still alive -- the animal only dies after a significant amount of blood is out of their system...
With pigs, unfortunately, before one can get to their jugular veins; the animal is dead - leaving behind very high levels of blood in the meat...
Blood in meat (even in cattle and poultry) is scientifically linked to numerous disorders of the brain, digestive system, and nervous system...with pork you are guaranteed very high levels of blood in meat...
The issue of pork (flesh of the swine) being forbidden is also in Christian Scriptures - look up the Bible, see:
Leviticus 11:7-8 :: And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you.
and
Deuteronomy 14:8 :: And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass.
and the book of Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5
Hope this is helpful...
regards,
RaDawo
Well, Rohil,I dont mean to pick on you in anyway, but, if your parents had told you not to eat it and you still still went ahead and did it it is sort of stupid. i can say this because i too am 14 and i dont find your reasoning very clear or sensoble. this situation is sort of like if your parents had told you not to jump of a bridge into shark infested waters and you went o­n a trip and it was either you do that or sit in a vegitable field. you obviously chose to jump in to da water. and a nother thing... Your parents told you for your own good. in the olden times if the imam said to a momen to die for him the momen said amen. the imam told you not to eat pork and you still went ahed and did it! i shutter at the thought that if o­ne day the imam told you to die for him what your response would be. so inconclusion it is not your parents fault that you did not take what they said seriously, it is yours. that you are fourteen years old and you still dont have enough brains to avoid temptations. Zeeba.
Bravo...well said!!!zeeba wrote:Well, Rohil,I dont mean to pick on you in anyway, but, if your parents had told you not to eat it and you still still went ahead and did it it is sort of stupid. i can say this because i too am 14 and i dont find your reasoning very clear or sensoble. this situation is sort of like if your parents had told you not to jump of a bridge into shark infested waters and you went on a trip and it was either you do that or sit in a vegitable field. you obviously chose to jump in to da water. and a nother thing... Your parents told you for your own good. in the olden times if the imam said to a momen to die for him the momen said amen. the imam told you not to eat pork and you still went ahed and did it! i shutter at the thought that if one day the imam told you to die for him what your response would be. so inconclusion it is not your parents fault that you did not take what they said seriously, it is yours. that you are fourteen years old and you still dont have enough brains to avoid temptations. Zeeba.
Shams
Pork consumption
Reasons for why I dont eat pork:
1) Pork is "unclean" - very rich in protein and easily contaminated with viral, bacterial (Salmonella) and parasitic infections (trichinellosis).
2) Although pigs are not "dirty" a typical pig produces about 6 gallons of waste a day and will consume anything. They also smell!
3) Pigs are biologically similar to humans:
- humanized pig cells and organs are used for human transplantation/research (i.e porcine heart valves etc)
- immunological relatedness of human and porcine protiens (insulin etc).
Therefore eating pork may be similar to eating human flesh!
There is truth to religion, science has to just fill in the details:
"And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase." Deuteronomy 14:8
There is truth to religion, science has to just fill in the details:
Case in point: Although circumcision is still debated, there is ample evidence that circumcision and removal of the foreskin has profound impact on STDs (HIV infection/transmission).
1) Pork is "unclean" - very rich in protein and easily contaminated with viral, bacterial (Salmonella) and parasitic infections (trichinellosis).
2) Although pigs are not "dirty" a typical pig produces about 6 gallons of waste a day and will consume anything. They also smell!
3) Pigs are biologically similar to humans:
- humanized pig cells and organs are used for human transplantation/research (i.e porcine heart valves etc)
- immunological relatedness of human and porcine protiens (insulin etc).
Therefore eating pork may be similar to eating human flesh!
There is truth to religion, science has to just fill in the details:
"And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase." Deuteronomy 14:8
There is truth to religion, science has to just fill in the details:
Case in point: Although circumcision is still debated, there is ample evidence that circumcision and removal of the foreskin has profound impact on STDs (HIV infection/transmission).
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BUIteacher23
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I got this in an email about a year ago
this serves as an excellent tool for answering questions from your children:
>WHY IS PORK FORBIDDEN IN ISLAM??
>Bob: Tell me why is it that a Muslim is very particular about the
>words Halaal and Haraam; what do they mean?
>
>Yunus: That which is permissible is termed Halaal and that which i
>not permissible is termed Haraam and it is the Quran which draws the
>distinction between the two.
>
>Bob: Can you give me an example?
>
>'Yunus: Yes, Islam has prohibited ! blood of any type. You will
>agree"that a chemical analysis of blood shows that it contains an
>abundance of uric acid, a chemical substance which can be injurious
>to human health. "
>
>"Bob: You're right about the toxic nature of uric acid, in the human
>being it is excreted as a waste product and in fact we are told that
>98% of the body's uric acid is extracted from the blood by the
>kidneys
>and removed through urination.
>
>Yunus: Now I think that you'll appreciate the special prescribed
>method of animal slaughter in Islam.
>
>Bob: What do you mean?
>
>"Yunus: You see, the wielder of the knife, whilst taking the name of
>the'Almighty', makes an incision through the jugular veins,leaving
>all other veins and organs intact.
>
>"Bob: I see, this causes the death of the animal by a total loss of
>blood from the! body, rather than an injury to any vital organ. "
>
>"Yunus: Yes, were the organs, example the heart, the liver, or the
>brain crippled or damaged, the animal could die immediately and its
>blood would congeal in its veins and would eventually permeate the
>flesh.
>
>This implies that the animal flesh would be permeated and
>contaminated with uric acid and therefore very poisonous; only today
>did our dietitians realize such a thing.
>
>"Bob: Again, while on the topic of food; Why do Muslims condemn the
>eating of pork or ham or any foods related to pigs or swine.
>
>"Yunus: Actually, apart from the Quran prohibiting the consumption
>of pork,bacon (pig flesh); in fact the Bible too in Leviticus
>chapter 11,verse 8, regarding swine it says, ""of their flesh (of
>the
>swine another name for pig)shall you not eat, and of their carcass
>you
>shall not touch; they are " unclean to you."" Further, did you know
>that
>a pig cannot be slaughtered at the neck for it does not have a neck;
>that is according to its natural anatomy. A Muslim reasons that if
>the pig was to be slaughtered and fit for human consumption the
>Creator would
>have provided it with a neck.
>
>"Nonetheless, all that aside, I am sure you are well informed about
>the harmful effects of the consumption of pork, in any form, be it
>pork chops, ham, bacon.
>
>Bob: The medical science finds that there is a risk for various
>diseases as the pig is found to be a host for many parasites and
>potential diseases.
>
>"Yunus: Yes, even apart from that, as we talked about uric acid
>content in the blood, it is important to note that the pig's
>biochemistry excretes only 2% of its total uric acid content, the
>remaining 98% remains as an integral part of the body.
>
>Please forward to others............it may answer some of their
>questions especially when the children ask.
>
>
>
>
>WHY IS PORK FORBIDDEN IN ISLAM??
>Bob: Tell me why is it that a Muslim is very particular about the
>words Halaal and Haraam; what do they mean?
>
>Yunus: That which is permissible is termed Halaal and that which i
>not permissible is termed Haraam and it is the Quran which draws the
>distinction between the two.
>
>Bob: Can you give me an example?
>
>'Yunus: Yes, Islam has prohibited ! blood of any type. You will
>agree"that a chemical analysis of blood shows that it contains an
>abundance of uric acid, a chemical substance which can be injurious
>to human health. "
>
>"Bob: You're right about the toxic nature of uric acid, in the human
>being it is excreted as a waste product and in fact we are told that
>98% of the body's uric acid is extracted from the blood by the
>kidneys
>and removed through urination.
>
>Yunus: Now I think that you'll appreciate the special prescribed
>method of animal slaughter in Islam.
>
>Bob: What do you mean?
>
>"Yunus: You see, the wielder of the knife, whilst taking the name of
>the'Almighty', makes an incision through the jugular veins,leaving
>all other veins and organs intact.
>
>"Bob: I see, this causes the death of the animal by a total loss of
>blood from the! body, rather than an injury to any vital organ. "
>
>"Yunus: Yes, were the organs, example the heart, the liver, or the
>brain crippled or damaged, the animal could die immediately and its
>blood would congeal in its veins and would eventually permeate the
>flesh.
>
>This implies that the animal flesh would be permeated and
>contaminated with uric acid and therefore very poisonous; only today
>did our dietitians realize such a thing.
>
>"Bob: Again, while on the topic of food; Why do Muslims condemn the
>eating of pork or ham or any foods related to pigs or swine.
>
>"Yunus: Actually, apart from the Quran prohibiting the consumption
>of pork,bacon (pig flesh); in fact the Bible too in Leviticus
>chapter 11,verse 8, regarding swine it says, ""of their flesh (of
>the
>swine another name for pig)shall you not eat, and of their carcass
>you
>shall not touch; they are " unclean to you."" Further, did you know
>that
>a pig cannot be slaughtered at the neck for it does not have a neck;
>that is according to its natural anatomy. A Muslim reasons that if
>the pig was to be slaughtered and fit for human consumption the
>Creator would
>have provided it with a neck.
>
>"Nonetheless, all that aside, I am sure you are well informed about
>the harmful effects of the consumption of pork, in any form, be it
>pork chops, ham, bacon.
>
>Bob: The medical science finds that there is a risk for various
>diseases as the pig is found to be a host for many parasites and
>potential diseases.
>
>"Yunus: Yes, even apart from that, as we talked about uric acid
>content in the blood, it is important to note that the pig's
>biochemistry excretes only 2% of its total uric acid content, the
>remaining 98% remains as an integral part of the body.
>
>Please forward to others............it may answer some of their
>questions especially when the children ask.
>
>
>
>