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So the Pir went to Kashi to impart them knowledge. Please learn the language first. So I am repeating my question: Please give your reference first. Who wrote what about Ismailis going for hajj to Kashi and Mathura? 24 hours or your new account will be deleted. Enough misleading! The parts of ginan...

I give you credit for being a good manipulator of twisting the meanings and statements in your favor. I understand your dual crisscross intellectual approach. For example; This is said by Imam and this is by pir. This is for public and this is for jamait. This is in interview and this is in speech....

This is a separate debate that whole universe is ayat of Quran. According to you, " some pages compiled by unauthorized people", well, that unauthorized Quran was respected and kissed by present Imam, and he has talked a lot about the existing Quran. Now for that act, do you want to fire ...

In 1951, at Karachi Ismailia Association gathering MSMS said," HARI KO ALI KARDO AUR DAS AVTAR CHHORR DO". . This of course is a fabricaton. "Hari ko Ali karo" was fabricated and chalenged by Shamshu Tejpar, the Chairman for Ismailia Association for Africa Conference in the 1969...

We believe present Imam supersedes farman of his predecessor ; Is this concept applies to pirs also, that a pir supersedes and make change in ginans according to time. Still waiting for reply for above question from my ginani friends, ginan lovers and heritage scholars. Please wake up and reply, th...

Ya Ali Madad: Nice to see qualitative scholastic reply from ShamsB and Kmaherali. One is debating with a very cunning living creature who see that the book of poems having jack n Jill,ringa ringa rose to there in 4th grade is school,colleges and PhD. as these book still forms a part of nursery curr...

You quote Memoirs," Krishna was a divinely inspired messenger". So Krishan was a messenger and not Allah. In 1951, at Karachi Ismailia Association gathering MSMS said," HARI KO ALI KARDO AUR DAS AVTAR CHHORR DO". Also MSMS said in farman," HINDU NI WATTU ILM MA PARHO CHHO T...

Obviously what you call Quran is not what other call Quran. Yours is some ink put on paper and limited to some compilation in Arabia. Others' is something universal and eternal, impossible to capture in few pages, the whole universe is Aya of Quran and certainly not in some pages compiled by unauth...

JIREY BHAI TIYA(N) THI GURJI AAP SADHARIYA AAVIYA KASHI KHANDH MAHE(N) JI JIREY BHAI DAET NU TIYA(N) JAANMP JAPAAI KASHI VENASI KAIWEY NAATH JI JIREY BHAI AMEY JAAI TIYA(N) DEERA MAHE(N) BHETHA AMM SU(N) KARIYU(N) CHHE GHANIYU(N) WATU(N) JI JIREY BHAI HUM TOU UN KO SHASTREY SAMJHAYA KESHAW PURI MULT...

Ismailis believe in 'HADITH E SAQLAIN'. Imam and Quran will stay till dooms day. . There was no compiled Qur'an when the Prophet made the statement. So which book was he referring to. It was NOT the one compiled by Uthman. We also know that Uthman compiled the Qur'an from variant existing versions....

By mentioning 'parts of the Qur'an' MHI implies that we should only study parts that are relevant for us and not the entire Qur'an: "I would like you to go on improving your knowledge and your understanding of the Dua and of those parts of the Quran e Sharif which are important to us in our ev...

Do you know the History and the origin of the word Allah? What does it mean? Think about the etymology of the word - the History... Shams bhai I am sure he doesn't know the history of word Allah, let me know him. Word Allah is derived from "Al Illah" which was used by Pagans before Islam....

you equated Rama as Ali and now you wrote Rasul can be interpreted as Sri Kirishna. You cannot equate them because we can only equate two different beings with each other, but here Ali and Ram both are one entity, they both are Imam of the time and both have the one Noor e Imamat/ Noor e Ali/Noor e...

By quoting Imam's farman you made it easier, Imam used the words," Parts of the Quran, you should be able to explain the esoteric meaning of those parts". It means parts of Quran have esoteric meaning and not whole Quran is allegorical.. By mentioning 'parts of the Qur'an' MHI implies tha...

Basically Memoirs was written for general public and was targeted to western readers. In the paragraph it is mentioned " for it contains number of verses which declare Allah speaks to man in allegory and in parables". Please note that words are ' it contain number of verses'. It is a indi...

The question arose because you wrote," Noor is used allegorically". Again question arises, a portion of Quran is allegorical, some other portion has ta'weel and rest of Quran we understand literally! Quran says," Allahu noorus samawati wal ardh". The word Noor is related to Alla...

We believe present Imam supersedes farman of his predecessor ; Is this concept applies to pirs also, that a pir supersedes and make change in ginans according to time.

Quran says," We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe". Surah #21, al Ambiy'a; ayat # 30. Is there any connection between Noor and Water? DHARTI BHI PAANI KE VIRA MARA PAATAL SARWEY PAANI EEVA PAANI TEY LOHA TRAMBA SAAR EARTH IS WATER MY BROTHER AND DEEP OCEANS AR...

You have posted that Quran is 1400 years old book is not completely adoptable, and thousand year old Ismaili literature is not applicable in today's environment. Now, Gnosis topic accept Quran completely as it is and is accepting its taweel. Also the Gnosis admire the works of Fatimid era Ismaili D...

According to the holy Constitution... (A) The Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims affirm the Shahadah 'La- ilaha illallih, Muhammadur Rasulu-llah'. the Tawhid therein and that the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Salla-llahu alayhi wa-sallam) is the last and final Prophet of Allah. Islam, as revealed in the Holy Qura...

Water in the Qur'an, like Noor, is used allegorically and may not necessarily mean the water as we know it. In another verse it says about the Paradise having 4 rivers of [Water, Milk, Honey and Wine]. These 4 elements has deeper esoteric ta'wil signifying deeper concepts than it's literal and face...

sameernoorani5 PostPosted: 14 Feb 2016 02:40 pm Post subject: Reply with quote For research purpose, can any participant on this forum shed light; When and in which century Shias started saying 'YA ALI MADAD' in salutation while meeting and greeting. 1, During the time of prophet. 2. During the life...

For research purpose, can any participant on this forum shed light; When and in which century Shias started saying 'YA ALI MADAD' in salutation while meeting and greeting. 1, During the time of prophet. 2. During the life time of Mowla Ali. 3. During the time of Imam Ja'far Sadiq 4. In the 3/4 centu...

Quran says," We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe". Surah #21, al Ambiy'a; ayat # 30. Is there any connection between Noor and Water? Water in the Qur'an, like Noor, is used allegorically and may not necessarily mean the water as we know it. In another verse i...

Quran says," We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe". Surah #21, al Ambiy'a; ayat # 30.
Is there any connection between Noor and Water?

God created an egg, smashed it, and a chicken came out of it. centuries old problem solved that an egg came first followed by a chicken.
Now, again I am confused. When that chicken grew up was that cock or hen? Please solve the problem, thanks.

For Memoirs once you wrote it is written for public and non Ismailis, obviously MSMS had to explain Noor as light because non muslims do not understand the real meaning the word Noor.! All Muslim translations of the ayat refer to Noor as light! What is Nur according to your understanding? Can you p...

I think you are impressed by the formula; OUM=mc2 I have already mentioned that MSMS had used the word 'light' for explaining. In Quran Allah has used niche as parable for explaining Noor.) It is not a matter of being impressed atom bombs have been manufactured based on it. So it is a formula that ...

Did any of our pirs or syeds ever visited KASHI/MATHURA?

Your assertion is that Noor and Pheen are same, that both have same properties. So far on this forum it not clearly defined, " what is Noor or what is its real definition". I do not equate Noor with light. The word light is used by our Imams for explaining. In his Memoirs MSMS says: Allah...