Has it been thought that perhaps Hazar Imam's farmans are revelations from God?
Perhaps so?
Hazar Imam's farmans revelations from God?
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star_munir
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I would disagree here.
Prophet Muhammad is the last Prophet.
Hazar Imam is not a Prophet, therefore, he does not receive Revelations from God.
One has to differentiate between the Revelation (wahi) received by a Prophet and the Inspiration (tayid) that the Imam receives from His Noor.
I will expand more on this in a later post.
Prophet Muhammad is the last Prophet.
Hazar Imam is not a Prophet, therefore, he does not receive Revelations from God.
One has to differentiate between the Revelation (wahi) received by a Prophet and the Inspiration (tayid) that the Imam receives from His Noor.
I will expand more on this in a later post.
I would agree with kandani...kandani wrote:I would disagree here.
Prophet Muhammad is the last Prophet.
Hazar Imam is not a Prophet, therefore, he does not receive Revelations from God.
One has to differentiate between the Revelation (wahi) received by a Prophet and the Inspiration (tayid) that the Imam receives from His Noor.
I will expand more on this in a later post.
and would add that for me ..since Ali = Allah..
Farmans from Mowlana Hazar Imam..are equivalent to the word of God.
Shams
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star_munir
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Tell me how can one have a conversation with themself?arzimood wrote:Ive recently attended lectures by jaan-e-alam n according him. Imam is born with inborn divinity because He is the Imam but doesnt have any word with God b'coz that would mean that Holy Prophet wasnt the last Prophet n it cant b so coz this is the basis of the religion!
Ali is Allah..so how can Allah have a conversation with Himself?
He doesn't need to..because He is everything and everywhere..and all knowing.
Shams
The following excerpt from the "Memoirs of Agakhan" by Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah I hope will clarify things...
"Thus far I have described those tenets of Islam which are professed and held in common by all Muslims of any and every sect or subsect. I now come to the divergence of the streams of thought. The Sunnis are the people of the Sunna or tradition. Their Kalama or profession of faith is "There is no God but God and Mohammed is the Apostle of God." To this the Shias add: "And Ali, the companion of Mohammed, is the Vicar of God." Etymologically the word "Shia" means either a stream or a section.
The Prophet died without appointing a Khalif or successor. The Shia school of thought maintains that although direct Divine inspiration ceased at the Prophet's death, the need of Divine guidance continued and this could not be left merely to millions of mortal men, subject to the whims and gust of passion and material necessity, capable of being momentarily but tragically misled by greed, by oratory, or by the sudden desire for material advantage. These dangers were manifest in the period immediately following our Holy Prophet's death. Mohammed had been, as I have shown, both a temporal and a spiritual sovereign. The Khalif or successor of the Prophet was to succeed him in both these capacities; he was to be both Emir-al-Momenin or "Commander of the true believers" and Imam-al-Muslimin or "spiritual chief of the devout." Perhaps an analogy from the Latin, Western world will make this clearer: he would be Supreme Pontiff as well as Imperator or temporal ruler.
Ali, the Prophet's cousin and son-in-law, the husband of his beloved and only surviving child, Fatimah, his first convert, his bold champion in many a war, who the Prophet in his lifetime said would be to him as Aaron was to Moses, his brother and right-hand man, in the veins of whose descendants the Prophet's own blood would flow, appeared destined to be that true successor; and such had been the general expectation of Islam. The Shias have therefore always held that after the Prophet's death, Divine power, guidance and leadership manifested themselves in Hazrat Ali as the first Imam or spiritual chief of the devout. The Sunnis, however, consider him the fourth in the succession of Khalifs to temporal power.
The Imam is thus the successor of the Prophet in his religious capacity; he is the man who must be obeyed and who dwells among those from whom he commands spiritual obedience."
"Thus far I have described those tenets of Islam which are professed and held in common by all Muslims of any and every sect or subsect. I now come to the divergence of the streams of thought. The Sunnis are the people of the Sunna or tradition. Their Kalama or profession of faith is "There is no God but God and Mohammed is the Apostle of God." To this the Shias add: "And Ali, the companion of Mohammed, is the Vicar of God." Etymologically the word "Shia" means either a stream or a section.
The Prophet died without appointing a Khalif or successor. The Shia school of thought maintains that although direct Divine inspiration ceased at the Prophet's death, the need of Divine guidance continued and this could not be left merely to millions of mortal men, subject to the whims and gust of passion and material necessity, capable of being momentarily but tragically misled by greed, by oratory, or by the sudden desire for material advantage. These dangers were manifest in the period immediately following our Holy Prophet's death. Mohammed had been, as I have shown, both a temporal and a spiritual sovereign. The Khalif or successor of the Prophet was to succeed him in both these capacities; he was to be both Emir-al-Momenin or "Commander of the true believers" and Imam-al-Muslimin or "spiritual chief of the devout." Perhaps an analogy from the Latin, Western world will make this clearer: he would be Supreme Pontiff as well as Imperator or temporal ruler.
Ali, the Prophet's cousin and son-in-law, the husband of his beloved and only surviving child, Fatimah, his first convert, his bold champion in many a war, who the Prophet in his lifetime said would be to him as Aaron was to Moses, his brother and right-hand man, in the veins of whose descendants the Prophet's own blood would flow, appeared destined to be that true successor; and such had been the general expectation of Islam. The Shias have therefore always held that after the Prophet's death, Divine power, guidance and leadership manifested themselves in Hazrat Ali as the first Imam or spiritual chief of the devout. The Sunnis, however, consider him the fourth in the succession of Khalifs to temporal power.
The Imam is thus the successor of the Prophet in his religious capacity; he is the man who must be obeyed and who dwells among those from whom he commands spiritual obedience."
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saleemsadruddin1
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I disagree with Shamsu. MHI says in Farman that my prayers and best wishes are with you.
Mowlay is praying to God, so how Ali = God, rather Mowla Ali prays to God.
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I would agree with kandani...
and would add that for me ..since Ali = Allah..
Farmans from Mowlana Hazar Imam..are equivalent to the word of God.
Shams
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Mowlay is praying to God, so how Ali = God, rather Mowla Ali prays to God.
rgds
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I would agree with kandani...
and would add that for me ..since Ali = Allah..
Farmans from Mowlana Hazar Imam..are equivalent to the word of God.
Shams
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MHI is both the Imam and the Peer. In the capacity of the Peer (wasila), he makes Firmans. The Peer is praying to the Imam in this case.saleemsadruddin1 wrote:I disagree with Shamsu. MHI says in Farman that my prayers and best wishes are with you.
Mowlay is praying to God, so how Ali = God, rather Mowla Ali prays to God.
rgds
There is a phrase in our tradition "Imam nu bol Peer nu Farman". The Peer receives the 'Bol' command (concentrated word) from the Imam and translates it into Farmans understandable by murids. Hence Farmans are revelations of God (Imam).
For more on Piratan and Imamat, you may want to go to:
Doctrines --> Is Hazar Imam God.
Regards.
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faisall667
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I found this at dictionary.com "Middle English, from Old French vicaire, from Latin vicrius, vicarious, a substitute, from vicis, genitive of *vix, change. See weik-2 in Indo-European Roots""There is no God but God and Mohammed is the Apostle of God." To this the Shias add: "And Ali, the companion of Mohammed, is the Vicar of God."
Faisal