Future Predictions..!!

goldfaizi · Post by **goldfaizi** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:09 pm

Ya Ali Madad,

I had heard last wize of Rai Abu Ali Missionary. He clearly said that after 100 years..!! The imam of the future will be the king of the world. He will be in Islamabad Pakistan. Thursday will be the day at 3:00 pm when he will announce that he is the king of the world or Imam of the time. Rai Abu Ali Missionary said that everything is mentioned in the Chogariya's that we recite every thursday in our Jamat Khana. I would like to know in which Chogariya Pir has mentioned the day, the time, the place. Rai Abu Ali further said that this century is the most worst century ever come. In this century every where we will see damages, blasts, Natural disasters and crisis. His every word is true as we all know. I would be glad if everyone would discuss on his wize and tell the name of chogariya in which PIR has mentioned everything.

Thanks.

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:49 pm

The verse that is being alluded to is:

yaaraa tith satai(n) maa rohonn nakhshatra
sa(n)j thaavar thi(n)do shaahjo viaa(n)...........................5

O friend! It will be the seventh day of the month and the star will be Rohni(the fourth lunar mansion or constellation, containing five stars, in the form of a cart); and it will be in the evening of Thaver(day of Friday and the night of Saturday), the marriage of my Lord will take place.

I don't think that it can happen soon as per MHI's statement in one of his interviews:

"Q. Between your status as a spiritual leader and the fact that you are a businessman, isn't there a political ambition which lurks in your mind - especially that both your father and grandfather performed political roles in the course of their lives?

A. The role entrusted to me does not, in the world of today, permit to cherish any political ambitions. This was appropriate and acceptable fifty years ago: my grandfather was President of the League of Nations, my father was Ambassador to the United Nations and my uncle was the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees. The roles of those members of my family were all international roles in the field of politics. They did not serve a specific country; they served a cause with international dimensions. Therefore any political ambition on my part must be in an international and not in a national framework."

While he may not proclaim himself as the leader of the world, he may get involved in broader international roles. There has been discussion on this issue at:

Doctrines -> Hazar Imam to manifest as "The Mahdi" for other Sh

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... opic&t=874

goldfaizi · Post by **goldfaizi** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:44 am

I got you. May i know the name of chogariya in which it is mentioned? but Rai abu ali said it will be thursday at 3 pm. It will happen in next century. He futher said that everything is in our ginans. I want to know the name of that chogariya.

ShamsB · Post by **ShamsB** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:36 am

kmaherali wrote:The verse that is being alluded to is:

yaaraa tith satai(n) maa rohonn nakhshatra
sa(n)j thaavar thi(n)do shaahjo viaa(n)...........................5

O friend! It will be the seventh day of the month and the star will be Rohni(the fourth lunar mansion or constellation, containing five stars, in the form of a cart); and it will be in the evening of Thaver(day of Friday and the night of Saturday), the marriage of my Lord will take place.

I don't think that it can happen soon as per MHI's statement in one of his interviews:

"Q. Between your status as a spiritual leader and the fact that you are a businessman, isn't there a political ambition which lurks in your mind - especially that both your father and grandfather performed political roles in the course of their lives?

A. The role entrusted to me does not, in the world of today, permit to cherish any political ambitions. This was appropriate and acceptable fifty years ago: my grandfather was President of the League of Nations, my father was Ambassador to the United Nations and my uncle was the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees. The roles of those members of my family were all international roles in the field of politics. They did not serve a specific country; they served a cause with international dimensions. Therefore any political ambition on my part must be in an international and not in a national framework."

While he may not proclaim himself as the leader of the world, he may get involved in broader international roles. There has been discussion on this issue at:

Doctrines -> Hazar Imam to manifest as "The Mahdi" for other Sh

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... opic&t=874

Lot changed in those 50 years and I guess a lot will change in the next 50 years - our Imam is setting up delegations in places such as Ottawa and has Emissaries or Representatives in places such as Tanzania, maybe setting the stage for future that is predicted in the ginans.

Shams

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:58 pm

goldfaizi wrote:I got you. May i know the name of chogariya in which it is mentioned? but Rai abu ali said it will be thursday at 3 pm. It will happen in next century. He futher said that everything is in our ginans. I want to know the name of that chogariya.

The verse is from the Chogadia: Bhai Tini Vire Jiyu Umedu. In addition there is another verse from the Chogadia: Jug me Phire Shah ji muneri:

haanne sahee aayo so ee(n)do mu(n)jo dharamee raajaa,
dasame shaahaa asavaaree;
alee paranne shaahaa visav e ku(n)aareeaa.........................8

Soon my righteous sovereign will surely appear, the mounted Tenth Lord. The Lord Alee will wed the maiden creation.

I don’t think Ginans should be interpreted literally; they are allegorical and applicable at all times. In my interpretation, the verses alluding to the appearance of the Lord to rule the world is the event of personal spiritual enlightenment of murids. When an individual soul unites with the Essence, a spiritual marriage takes place and a person’s life becomes permanently aligned to the will of God and is in constant bliss. In other words, the life is under the rule of the Lord.

Also there is a relationship between each soul and the Creation. The moment of personal spiritual enlightenment occurs at certain configuration of Creation as alluded to in the verse of Bhai Tini Vire Jiyu Umedu that I mentioned in my previous post, hence the mention of Friday which is considered as day of special religious significance in Islam.

Post by **Admin** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:30 pm

More reading on chogadias:

http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/20333

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:28 am

I listened this waez and comparatively other waez of Rai Abu Ali and other waezens too many times to better understand "Zahurat". I also read lots of Holy Ginans reagarding the Zahurat, after this all, I personally believe that yes it will happen in NEXT CENTURY. I heard a waez of Babul in this waez some missionary ask a question to MHI, about the Zahurat then Mowla ask him " Are Jamats are Ready for this(Zahurat)?".

aknak · Post by **aknak** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:47 am

ya ali madad.....Indeed if we follow history since time in memory.......the imams and the nabis have always stepped in when thing have gotten out of hand,ofcource the prep.had to be done atleast 20 to thirty years hence.With the current fast moving pace i would think it will happen soon ....not in the physical form of frontiers and states but interllectual and united decition making world harmony ............and show me one person..... so widely ackowledged and appriciated and honored.ONthe other hand there has always been a down side and the core group has to pay the price as they take things for granted beliving to be the prodigal sons and daughters.and that is what the Imam fears.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:38 pm

goldfaizi wrote:Ya Ali Madad,

I had heard last wize of Rai Abu Ali Missionary. He clearly said that after 100 years..!! The imam of the future will be the king of the world. He will be in Islamabad Pakistan. Thursday will be the day at 3:00 pm when he will announce that he is the king of the world or Imam of the time. Rai Abu Ali Missionary said that everything is mentioned in the Chogariya's that we recite every thursday in our Jamat Khana. I would like to know in which Chogariya Pir has mentioned the day, the time, the place. Rai Abu Ali further said that this century is the most worst century ever come. In this century every where we will see damages, blasts, Natural disasters and crisis. His every word is true as we all know. I would be glad if everyone would discuss on his wize and tell the name of chogariya in which PIR has mentioned everything.

I have not listened his last waez, but the similar predictions has been told by him in some other waezes too. In one of his waez, he has told the verses from Ginan as reference. The word "Islamabad" has not been mentioned in any Ginan. There was some other word, which he had interpreted as Islamabad.

Thanks.

goldfaizi · Post by **goldfaizi** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:11 am

You should listen to it. I had heard his last waez i was little bit confused with same things which i have discussed..!! When ever you listen to his last waez let me know what do you think

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agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:20 am

Brother GoldFaizi,
Where I can find this last Waez of Great Abu Ali? Do you have copy of this waez? can you send me in any format( cassettes,DVD,cd)? I will pay for the shipping cost and for your time to rerecord.
my e-mail is [email protected]

goldfaizi · Post by **goldfaizi** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:56 pm

Sorry mate it is not possible for me to send you. I am extremely sorry..!!

goldfaizi · Post by **goldfaizi** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:08 pm

I want to know who has heard last waez of Rai Abu Ali Missionary? If someone has heard his last waez he has clearly mentioned that it will be thursday at 3 pm the Imam of the future will declear that he is the king of the world. I want to discuss with my brothers on this topic.

Thanks.

ShamsB · Post by **ShamsB** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:58 pm

goldfaizi wrote:I want to know who has heard last waez of Rai Abu Ali Missionary? If someone has heard his last waez he has clearly mentioned that it will be thursday at 3 pm the Imam of the future will declear that he is the king of the world. I want to discuss with my brothers on this topic.

Thanks.

This is mentioned in Moman Chetamni too.

Shams

goldfaizi · Post by **goldfaizi** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:10 am

Thanks Shams. Rai Abu Ali said that this century will bring alot of historical changes in the world. Main changes will start after golden jubilee of our beloved Hazar Imam. Hazar Imam has guide us in his taliqa on his golden jubilee and we can notice that Hazar imam said that with in 15 to 20 years there will be many changes. I would like my friend to go detail on it.

goldfaizi · Post by **goldfaizi** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:16 pm

Predictions by Rai Abu Ali Missionary:

1. The Imam of the future will be in islamabad on thursday at 3 pm when u will declear that he is the king of the world.
2. After this golden jubilee Maula bapa will not give didar because he want all over the world to feel that there is imam present in the world by doing alot of work like making of universities and hospitals.
3. After this golden jubilee there will be historical changes all over the world.

Above mentioned are some predictions by Rai Abu Ali Missionary in his last waez. If we read Taliqa of our beloved Maula Bapa that he said on his golden jubilee it is clearly mentioned that there are many changes going to take place near future.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:10 pm

Different predictions are given in different Ginans about future_for example in "Ajab jamana suno moman bhaiji kaljug aya khota jire" Pir Shams predicts that Mullahs and Brahmins will join to slaughter cows !

Kindly list down some important predictions and main points that you have heard from waez so there can be discussion on them.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:12 pm

goldfaizi wrote:I want to know who has heard last waez of Rai Abu Ali Missionary? If someone has heard his last waez he has clearly mentioned that it will be thursday at 3 pm the Imam of the future will declear that he is the king of the world. I want to discuss with my brothers on this topic.

Thanks.

There has been discussion on this prediction on topics regarding Daet Kalingo and Dajjal.

AmeenKhwaja · Post by **AmeenKhwaja** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:04 am

As per Momin Chetamani:

602. When the world will be full of misguided souls and of people who will cease to believe in religion, then Imam Mahdi will declare Himself.

603. It is during these times that those Momins who will beware and will love and adhere to Satpanth, they will also avoid listening to people's faults and backbiting.

604. Those who will earn an honest living and will pay Dasond will be amongst the souls (saved by Pir Hasan Kabirdin).

605. Momins, do not be lured by the materialism around you. Ali and the Prophet are (Manifestation of Divine Light) so recognize them thus you may achieve salvation.

606. Shri Islam Shah is Ali, and Pir Hasan Kabirdin is Prophet and those who do not believe this have wasted their human Avtar.

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