first article of preamble of Ismaili Constitution

[Admin]

1. What is the prime duty of an Ismaili?
To obey farman of the present Imam of time.
The farman of present Imam is "ALI IS FROM ALLAH".

There is no such Farman. You are mistaken. This is your interpretation that Ali is from Allah. Mine is the opposite. From what we know, you certainely do not have the monopole of Wisdom. and your interpretation is the way to calm the Shariatis with a translation made by Shariatis. Shariat and Haqiqat are way apart, they shall never meet.

To Obey the Farmans is the Identity of Ismailis, not their duty. It is part of their love for the Imam. No compulsion in Faith.

But to protect the Imam physically and make sure his Farmans are taken to each Murid, that is an obligation of EACH Ismaili.

I believe there is no greater sin than hide Farmans, or edit them or invent Farmans [as you have done] or persecute those who bring the accurate Farmans to the Jamat or listen to a Farman and not to share it.

[nuseri]

Ya Ali Madad.
I totally agree with Admin that shariat and haqiqat are poles apart.
this still expresses two extreme ends.but in marfiat there is NO NO place of shariat,because one has break free the physical chains of it.
Shariat sublimate into marifat and cease to exist.
like the words Ali+ lah=Allah.the word laa sublimates and ceases any only ALI remain within ones self.
I have not heard of any doing PhD thesis on many subject told compulsarily
to write ringa ringa roses in it as a law or order.
there in no mention of the word Dua in farman made in higher level majlis.
try to find it.
I hope and pray for every Ismaili to come out basics and move on to
Ibaadat,Ashique and Khidmat for greater cause of Ali and one's soul.

a person does not know what shazda wajihu words of our Dua.
it is bowing down to face of god.
the word shazdah already means lowering upper part of body towards the next word mentioned and not shazdah of of one ones face.
I asked an ismaili teacher teaching Quran extract,he affirmed my understanding.
I also asked few sharatisI know asked if sazdah means only a face or part of body with incuded one's head in posturing.
I told somebody does shazdah only of his face,they asked me is that person a lunatic?.
a living creature who misunderstand even a few words of farmans,Dua,Constitution.Ginan,Qasida ,what is it doing on Ismaili website.?
only 1+0=1.
that is accepted maths.
and 0+1=1.
false or made up expression of 1+0=10 then 0+1=1.it should be 10 as per lunatic theory or maths.

[kmaherali]

So you admit 180000 paigambers is a figurative mistake by a Satadari Pir. 'Pirs are always right' as few times mentioned on this forum, now which Pir is correct. Please keep in mind I am using the word mistake and not sin. There are many controversial things in ginans. I am not disrespecting ginans but facts are facts.

Each Pir chose a different number to convey the figurative nature. It is not a mistake. The numbers chosen also reflect the poetic nature of the Ginans. Each number suits a particular Ginan, but the main point is that the numbers don't reflect the actual prophets but just convey the idea of many many prophets.

[kmaherali]

I wander when there was nothingness only pitch darkness still Nirinjin created 80 million Brahmas for what?
God said,I was a hidden treasure and wanted to be known thats why created Universe. Even Prophet did not had his real vision on Ma'raj.
You have not mentioned the first 3 crucial parts and after 12 parts of this lengthy ginan. Pir has talked lot of other things apart from real vision of Nirijin which means invisible!

It is part of God's mystery to create 80 million Brahamas, perhaps to allude to the multi-faceted nature of creation and the exitences of other universes.

What do you mean that the Prophet did not have real vision during Meraj?

MSMS in his Farman stated:

"The night of mi'raj is the one on which the Prophet revisited his original home. Only the wise and the intelligent will understand the parables of the Prophets. The unintelligent ones will take stories at their face value." (Uusl e Din)

I provided the link for the lengthy Ginan so one may read the Ginan if he chooses to do so. no need to copy paste the whole Ginan.

[kmaherali]

1. What is the prime duty of an Ismaili?
To obey farman of the present Imam of time.
The farman of present Imam is "ALI IS FROM ALLAH". This farman is obeyed by 99% of Ismailis.

There can never be such a Farman. The Paris Conference 1975 is quite clear that the Imam is the Mazhar of Allah. Nasir Khusraw has explained the meaning of Mazhar/Hujjat i.e Hujjat = God = Imam.

[shivaathervedi]

When Hazar Imam sends Talika Mubarak or a Farman attached with Talika, the ending words are always," YOURS AFFECTIONATELY AGA KHAN". I keep thinking, Why Hazar Imam is not using the words like;
YOURS AFFECTIONATELY HAZAR IMAM
OR
YOURS AFFECTIONATELY IMAM E ZAMAAN
OR
YOURS AFFECTIONATELY PIR E ZAMAAN.

[shivaathervedi]

1. What is the prime duty of an Ismaili?
To obey farman of the present Imam of time.
The farman of present Imam is "ALI IS FROM ALLAH". This farman is obeyed by 99% of Ismailis.

There can never be such a Farman. The Paris Conference 1975 is quite clear that the Imam is the Mazhar of Allah. Nasir Khusraw has explained the meaning of Mazhar/Hujjat i.e Hujjat = God = Imam.

I believe Imam is Mazhar of Allah and not Allah himself that is what the Paris conference explains.
Ali is from Allah farman copy was provided to ADMIN. Why not he e - mail the said copy to ITREB Karachi and inquire about it. It was a classified farman made to missionaries, Ismailia Association members and top leadership of that time, the reason is because some asked Hazar Imam the explanation of ALIYULLAH. The copy should be available in classified files.
Admin has long hands, why not is he inquiring himself!

[Admin]

Ali is from Allah farman copy was provided to ADMIN. Why not he e - mail the said copy to ITREB Karachi and inquire about it. It was a classified farman made to missionaries, Ismailia Association members and top leadership of that time, the reason is because some asked Hazar Imam the explanation of ALIYULLAH. The copy should be available in classified files.
Admin has long hands, why not is he inquiring himself!

The copy is fake, there is no Farman such as this one. you have ben informed about this. Stop misleading people with your (or others) home made "farmans"

[shivaathervedi]

Ali is from Allah farman copy was provided to ADMIN. Why not he e - mail the said copy to ITREB Karachi and inquire about it. It was a classified farman made to missionaries, Ismailia Association members and top leadership of that time, the reason is because some asked Hazar Imam the explanation of ALIYULLAH. The copy should be available in classified files.
Admin has long hands, why not is he inquiring himself!

The copy is fake, there is no Farman such as this one. you have ben informed about this. Stop misleading people with your (or others) home made "farmans"

Use the modern communication tools, easiest way (without expenditure) e- mail the copy which was provided to you and ask for validation from chairperson or Admin of ITREB Karachi.. Why are you shying. Just writing this is fake, that is fake, I am fake won't help.

[shivaathervedi]

I wander when there was nothingness only pitch darkness still Nirinjin created 80 million Brahmas for what?
God said,I was a hidden treasure and wanted to be known thats why created Universe. Even Prophet did not had his real vision on Ma'raj.
You have not mentioned the first 3 crucial parts and after 12 parts of this lengthy ginan. Pir has talked lot of other things apart from real vision of Nirijin which means invisible!

It is part of God's mystery to create 80 million Brahamas, perhaps to allude to the multi-faceted nature of creation and the exitences of other universes.

What do you mean that the Prophet did not have real vision during Meraj?

MSMS in his Farman stated:

"The night of mi'raj is the one on which the Prophet revisited his original home. Only the wise and the intelligent will understand the parables of the Prophets. The unintelligent ones will take stories at their face value." (Uusl e Din)

I provided the link for the lengthy Ginan so one may read the Ginan if he chooses to do so. no need to copy paste the whole Ginan.

The farman you quoted there is no mention of the real vision of Nirijin by Prophet.
God says KUN and it happens immediately without time factor. Nirinjin took millions of years and created 80 million brahamas (pirs) who could not understood him or have his vision. When we have no proper answer we say it is mystery, it is batin.

[shivaathervedi]

So you admit 180000 paigambers is a figurative mistake by a Satadari Pir. 'Pirs are always right' as few times mentioned on this forum, now which Pir is correct. Please keep in mind I am using the word mistake and not sin. There are many controversial things in ginans. I am not disrespecting ginans but facts are facts.

Each Pir chose a different number to convey the figurative nature. It is not a mistake. The numbers chosen also reflect the poetic nature of the Ginans. Each number suits a particular Ginan, but the main point is that the numbers don't reflect the actual prophets but just convey the idea of many many prophets.

We believe pirs are right, therefore figures should be right. You wrote each number suits a particular ginan. So pirs kept changing according to time and situations which suited them. You also wrote," The numbers chosen also reflect the poetic nature of ginans". What numbers have to do with poetic nature? It means other contradictions are also of poetic nature.

[shivaathervedi]

Ya Ali Madad.
I totally agree with Admin that shariat and haqiqat are poles apart.
this still expresses two extreme ends.but in marfiat there is NO NO place of shariat,because one has break free the physical chains of it.
Shariat sublimate into marifat and cease to exist.
like the words Ali+ lah=Allah.the word laa sublimates and ceases any only ALI remain within ones self.
I have not heard of any doing PhD thesis on many subject told compulsarily
to write ringa ringa roses in it as a law or order.
there in no mention of the word Dua in farman made in higher level majlis.
try to find it.
I hope and pray for every Ismaili to come out basics and move on to
Ibaadat,Ashique and Khidmat for greater cause of Ali and one's soul.

a person does not know what shazda wajihu words of our Dua.
it is bowing down to face of god.
the word shazdah already means lowering upper part of body towards the next word mentioned and not shazdah of of one ones face.
I asked an ismaili teacher teaching Quran extract,he affirmed my understanding.
I also asked few sharatisI know asked if sazdah means only a face or part of body with incuded one's head in posturing.
I told somebody does shazdah only of his face,they asked me is that person a lunatic?.
a living creature who misunderstand even a few words of farmans,Dua,Constitution.Ginan,Qasida ,what is it doing on Ismaili website.?
only 1+0=1.
that is accepted maths.
and 0+1=1.
false or made up expression of 1+0=10 then 0+1=1.it should be 10 as per lunatic theory or maths.

Are you confused or PK. You posted same post 4 TIMES.
AADMI THA KAAM KA BEKAAR HO GAYA.
Shariyat and Haqiqat are not poles apart, these are inter connected with each other. First stage is Shariyat. Ginan says;
PAHLI MANO SHARIYAT, TARIQAT OUUR HAQIQAT
MA'RIFAT KO MON MEY MAAR
You admitted, " You gave up Du'a", when you quit Du'a how come you be called an Ismaili. Du'a is foundation of our Tariqa.
SAJADAH WAJHI...... TOWARDS WHO? READ THE COMPLETE PARAGRAPH.....
MINKA QUWWATI WA ANTA ISMATI YA RABAL AALAMEEN. That's why in a special message to jamaits of India in Nov 2015, Imam gave hidayat to recite name of ALLAH during 24 hours. This is what your Imam says if you believe him.

[ismaili103]

When Hazar Imam sends Talika Mubarak or a Farman attached with Talika, the ending words are always," YOURS AFFECTIONATELY AGA KHAN". I keep thinking, Why Hazar Imam is not using the words like;
YOURS AFFECTIONATELY HAZAR IMAM
OR
YOURS AFFECTIONATELY IMAM E ZAMAAN
OR
YOURS AFFECTIONATELY PIR E ZAMAAN.

Imam recieved many titles, but Imam love Aga Khan the most because Aga Khan means Shah of Shah, King of King, Lord of Lord and more accurately "ALLAH OF THE ALLAH OF 1.5 BILLION MUSLIMS"

[zznoor]

Imam recieved many titles, but Imam love Aga Khan the most because Aga Khan means Shah of Shah, King of King, Lord of Lord and more accurately "ALLAH OF THE ALLAH OF 1.5 BILLION MUSLIMS"

HH Aga Khan is not Allah of Allah for non Ismailis. Please contain yourself.

[Admin]

Shariyat and Haqiqat are not poles apart, these are inter connected with each other. First stage is Shariyat. Ginan says;
PAHLI MANO SHARIYAT, TARIQAT OUUR HAQIQAT
MA'RIFAT KO MON MEY MAAR

Shariat and Haqiqat - They are world apart. Read Usul e Din Farman. They shall never meet.

Those who cling to their seat in the nursery school can not move to University though you have to go through nusery before university. And once you are in university, only fools seat at nursery at the same time unless they are teaching there.

[kmaherali]

And once you are in university, only fools seat at nursery at the same time unless they are teaching there.

Or if you have to relate to them, in which case you have to communicate at the nursery level. The Preamble is a communication at the nursery level. However, within our Tariqah we have to go beyond that.

[kmaherali]

When Hazar Imam sends Talika Mubarak or a Farman attached with Talika, the ending words are always," YOURS AFFECTIONATELY AGA KHAN". I keep thinking, Why Hazar Imam is not using the words like;
YOURS AFFECTIONATELY HAZAR IMAM
OR
YOURS AFFECTIONATELY IMAM E ZAMAAN
OR
YOURS AFFECTIONATELY PIR E ZAMAAN.

That is his signature. He does not use different signatures like mazhar shivaathervedi independent to confuse people about his identity.

Have you thought why he calls his murids his spiritual children and distinguishes them from others like:

Irshad Mubarak of Mowlana Hazar Imam Shah Karim Al Hussaini Agakhan, Salamieh, Syria Saturday, November 10, 2001

Bismillah-Al-Rahman-Al-Rahim

My Beloved Spiritual Children, my brothers and sisters in Islam and other faiths Assalam-0-Alaikum

[kmaherali]

I believe Imam is Mazhar of Allah and not Allah himself that is what the Paris conference explains.!

The Paris conference does not explain the difference. There is a Farman which states:

"And I wish it to be clear therefore that in Tariqah matters, I am aware and there will be no change in the essence of our faith. But there will be nonetheless a search to enable the Murids to come together in an ever wider Jamat practising their faith together even if they don't speak the same language. There will be an attempt to take account of the pressures of modern life. There will be an attempt to make sure that traditions are understood within the Jamat and outside and that they do not give offence.(Dar es Salaam Oct 6, 1988)

Hence if we said that Imam is Allah, that would give offence to those outside the Jamat, but if we said that the Imam is the Mazhar of Allah it does not give offence, but in essence there is no difference as explained earlier.

[kmaherali]

The farman you quoted there is no mention of the real vision of Nirijin by Prophet.
God says KUN and it happens immediately without time factor. Nirinjin took millions of years and created 80 million brahamas (pirs) who could not understood him or have his vision. When we have no proper answer we say it is mystery, it is batin.

How do you understand that that the Prophet revisited his original home? Isn't that Nirinjan - God from whom we have come?

At an ordinary level there will always be an element of mystery as per MHI:

"A central element in a truly religious outlook, it seems to me, is the quality of personal humility -- a recognition that strive as we might, we will still fall short of our ideals, that climb as we might, there will still be unexplored and mysterious peaks above us. It means recognising our own creaturehood, and thus our human limitations."

.....Mawlana Hazar Imam
.....Address to the Evora University Symposium, ‘Cosmopolitan Society, Human Safety and Rights in Plural and Peaceful Societies’
.....Evora,Portugal
.....12 February 2006

[kmaherali]

We believe pirs are right, therefore figures should be right. You wrote each number suits a particular ginan. So pirs kept changing according to time and situations which suited them. You also wrote," The numbers chosen also reflect the poetic nature of ginans". What numbers have to do with poetic nature? It means other contradictions are also of poetic nature.

The numbers should be right if they reflect the exact number of prophets, but they don't - they are just figurative expressions or symbols pointing to the concept of many many prophets. Symbols can be different but the object is the same. So there are no contradictions, just different expression expressing the same concept.

[kmaherali]

MINKA QUWWATI WA ANTA ISMATI YA RABAL AALAMEEN. That's why in a special message to jamaits of India in Nov 2015, Imam gave hidayat to recite name of ALLAH during 24 hours. This is what your Imam says if you believe him.

Do you remember we used to recite : LI ZIKRI HIS SUJOOD which was changed to ALLAHUMA LAKA SUJUDI WA TAATI. This is because it was offensive to others, not that it was wrong.

MSMS made the Farman:

"Just as you see us physically, in the same way consider us to be ever-present and remember us while sitting, standing and walking. Your love and affection is always in our hearts and (prayers)." (Zanzibar Aug 18, 1905)

So when the present Imam is saying remember Allah it is less offensive but it does not matter in essence whether you remember the Imam or Allah - they are one.

[nuseri]

Ya Ali Madad.
Admin has an ignorant fool wasting everybodys time.
MHI always say to recite name of Ali,Mohammed ,allah all the time and even the name of the present Imam.
one enter baitul khayal only after age of 18,which macthes with college entry age,so new obligations ,farmans, syallabus takes over and also higher level
majlis.
so when one enter university ,he/she is out of nursery rhymes and poems
as one has to appear for university syllabus exams.
ou tariqa board just shoed a film how diiferent firqa prays, all other than namaz ,othere we re meledious and with music and one sect forming circles and praying.all form is accepted by GOd of all religions.
I find ginan and qasidas more melidious to pray and seek blessings than Dua
as both has same essence and power to deliver.
posturing may not appeal.
so opting out is only way to break free and enter marifat from haqiqat level.
with chains(sharia) on legs or feather,no bird can fly off.
it is stuck in a cage of despair.


our tasbih is more powerful ,that is my observation.

[shivaathervedi]

When Hazar Imam sends Talika Mubarak or a Farman attached with Talika, the ending words are always," YOURS AFFECTIONATELY AGA KHAN". I keep thinking, Why Hazar Imam is not using the words like;
YOURS AFFECTIONATELY HAZAR IMAM
OR
YOURS AFFECTIONATELY IMAM E ZAMAAN
OR
YOURS AFFECTIONATELY PIR E ZAMAAN.

Imam recieved many titles, but Imam love Aga Khan the most because Aga Khan means Shah of Shah, King of King, Lord of Lord and more accurately "ALLAH OF THE ALLAH OF 1.5 BILLION MUSLIMS"

Same rhetoric, no substance, no value.
When Imam says, my spiritual children then in my opinion he should use the words YOURS AFFECTIONATELY IMAM E ZAMAN AND NOT AGA KHAN. The title Aga Khan was bestowed by an Iranian king. Mostly in central Asian countries these words are common even in province of Pkhtunkhwa and FATA.
Before Shah Hasan Ali Shah this title was not used by our Imams. Instesd of rhetoric spend some time in research.

[shivaathervedi]

Ya Ali Madad.
Admin has an ignorant fool wasting everybodys time.
MHI always say to recite name of Ali,Mohammed ,allah all the time and even the name of the present Imam.
one enter baitul khayal only after age of 18,which macthes with college entry age,so new obligations ,farmans, syallabus takes over and also higher level
majlis.
so when one enter university ,he/she is out of nursery rhymes and poems
as one has to appear for university syllabus exams.
ou tariqa board just shoed a film how diiferent firqa prays, all other than namaz ,othere we re meledious and with music and one sect forming circles and praying.all form is accepted by GOd of all religions.
I find ginan and qasidas more melidious to pray and seek blessings than Dua
as both has same essence and power to deliver.
posturing may not appeal.
so opting out is only way to break free and enter marifat from haqiqat level.
with chains(sharia) on legs or feather,no bird can fly off.
it is stuck in a cage of despair.


our tasbih is more powerful ,that is my observation.

You are living in your fools paradise eating grass there in pasture.
You keep dodging the questions you were asked and start 'antt shantt' without thinking.
You do not recite Du'a because you don't know how to pronounce it. You do not know its meaning. You rejected ginans and pirs. Now after taking bath in Ganga Jal you treat your self as an innocent. You just beat about the bush for few words you ratified. As I mentioned before, if you are not reciting Dua which is foundation of our Tariqa means you are a non Ismail because you are rejecting Farman of Imam whom you call god.
It is not a question of nursery or university. Pirs did not attended any universities.
Yes, ALI MUHAMAAD SACHA REY KALIMA
TINN BINA MOKSH NAAHI REY,
That's why we recite Tasbih of these names because Ali and Muhammad are from the same Noor of Allah.

[shivaathervedi]

1. What is the prime duty of an Ismaili?
To obey farman of the present Imam of time.
The farman of present Imam is "ALI IS FROM ALLAH".

There is no such Farman. You are mistaken. This is your interpretation that Ali is from Allah. Mine is the opposite. From what we know, you certainely do not have the monopole of Wisdom. and your interpretation is the way to calm the Shariatis with a translation made by Shariatis. Shariat and Haqiqat are way apart, they shall never meet.

To Obey the Farmans is the Identity of Ismailis, not their duty. It is part of their love for the Imam. No compulsion in Faith.

But to protect the Imam physically and make sure his Farmans are taken to each Murid, that is an obligation of EACH Ismaili.

I believe there is no greater sin than hide Farmans, or edit them or invent Farmans [as you have done] or persecute those who bring the accurate Farmans to the Jamat or listen to a Farman and not to share it.

I agree with you, for Ismailis it is sin to alter or invent a farman. But I have not committed that sin. If I should have been dishonest I would not have provided the Farman in first place.
I have seen primary khojki books printed in 50/60's in India and pak. In first primary book there was a question answer lesson. The very first question was, "what is our first and important duty". The answer mentioned was to obey farman of the Imam of the time. You have good collection of khojki scripts. Check the primary night school books or you can find these old books at ITREB library Karachi, confirm from there.

[shivaathervedi]

MINKA QUWWATI WA ANTA ISMATI YA RABAL AALAMEEN. That's why in a special message to jamaits of India in Nov 2015, Imam gave hidayat to recite name of ALLAH during 24 hours. This is what your Imam says if you believe him.

Do you remember we used to recite : LI ZIKRI HIS SUJOOD which was changed to ALLAHUMA LAKA SUJUDI WA TAATI. This is because it was offensive to others, not that it was wrong.

MSMS made the Farman:

"Just as you see us physically, in the same way consider us to be ever-present and remember us while sitting, standing and walking. Your love and affection is always in our hearts and (prayers)." (Zanzibar Aug 18, 1905)

So when the present Imam is saying remember Allah it is less offensive but it does not matter in essence whether you remember the Imam or Allah - they are one.

Yes Imam is Noor of Allah. We are invoking that Noor by saying Tasbih of Ya Ali and Ya Muhammad, both are from same Noor.
LIZIKRIHS SUJUD was introduced in African Jamaits and was abruptly with drawn in 1956. It was never introduced in India and Pakistan. Sorry to write and without annoying; being as a god was MSMS NOT AWARE OF THE CONSEQUENCES IN ADVANCE?

[shivaathervedi]

We believe pirs are right, therefore figures should be right. You wrote each number suits a particular ginan. So pirs kept changing according to time and situations which suited them. You also wrote," The numbers chosen also reflect the poetic nature of ginans". What numbers have to do with poetic nature? It means other contradictions are also of poetic nature.

The numbers should be right if they reflect the exact number of prophets, but they don't - they are just figurative expressions or symbols pointing to the concept of many many prophets. Symbols can be different but the object is the same. So there are no contradictions, just different expression expressing the same concept.

The above is your interpretation. 124000 or 180000 is not symbolic. When we say pirs have all kind of knowledge, therefore it was a mistake. TO ERR IS HUMAN.

[shivaathervedi]

The farman you quoted there is no mention of the real vision of Nirijin by Prophet.
God says KUN and it happens immediately without time factor. Nirinjin took millions of years and created 80 million brahamas (pirs) who could not understood him or have his vision. When we have no proper answer we say it is mystery, it is batin.

How do you understand that that the Prophet revisited his original home? Isn't that Nirinjan - God from whom we have come?

At an ordinary level there will always be an element of mystery as per MHI:

"A central element in a truly religious outlook, it seems to me, is the quality of personal humility -- a recognition that strive as we might, we will still fall short of our ideals, that climb as we might, there will still be unexplored and mysterious peaks above us. It means recognising our own creaturehood, and thus our human limitations."

.....Mawlana Hazar Imam
.....Address to the Evora University Symposium, ‘Cosmopolitan Society, Human Safety and Rights in Plural and Peaceful Societies’
.....Evora,Portugal
.....12 February 2006

You have quoted an excerpt of a public speech and it is not a farman.
We say," man proposes and God disposes", when God disposes means there is mystery behind it. So mysteries are part of every day life.

[ismaili103]

Same rhetoric, no substance, no value.
When Imam says, my spiritual children then in my opinion he should use the words YOURS AFFECTIONATELY IMAM E ZAMAN AND NOT AGA KHAN. The title Aga Khan was bestowed by an Iranian king. Mostly in central Asian countries these words are common even in province of Pkhtunkhwa and FATA.
Before Shah Hasan Ali Shah this title was not used by our Imams. Instesd of rhetoric spend some time in research.

Ask this to Hazir Imam why he is using this title or that title whenever you get any chance to meet him.

And yes...do ask him that there are some Ismailis who believe that you are Allah and they are attempting a big sin, then do listen what Hazir Imam will say, your mind will be blown.

[ismaili103]

Imam and Pir never make any mistakes because they are not Humans, they just take human form to guide us( humans ) .

And those Ismailis who think they are human are the same who do mourn in 9 and 10 muharram.