Although I am not quite optimistic from the type of participation in this forum and the number of replies to each thread that someone will care to reply to my question here. But why not give it a try.
I have a question hopping that someone may have a remedial answer.
I am Ismaili and belongs to a group that has some differences in terms of believes and tareeqat with yours although I am not sure how to differentiate between the two groups but I will refer to you as JK groups. The key word is that we both are categorized as Ismailies to the rest of Muslim types as long as math’hib is in concern.
My question is:
What are the possibilities for people like me to marry a decent girl that belongs to your group?
For more details:
I am a Saudi Citizin and live in Saudi Arabia. I only speak English beside my own language which is Arabic.
Thanx in advance to all those who are wiling to answer my question or offers any kind of help in this matter.
Thank you all.
Ismailie From Saudi Arabia
My response is to the gentleman from Saudi Arabia. You say you are Ismaili, yet a different kind of Ismaili. So you are from the Mustalian branch of Ismaili and follower of Dai Suleiman and your Dai passed away a couple of months ago at the age of 80and has been succeeded by his son. Am I right? There are a lot of Suleimani Bohoras in, I think Najran. I am also told that you all have an Imam from the progeny of Imam Tayab in the west somewhere in the remote part of Yugoslavia and only a few people have met him.
There are a lot of differences between your version and ours. First of all We have a living Imam who is in direct descent from the Prophet and Imam Mustansirbillah's eldest son, Nizar. We believe that Imam should be present to guide his flock You have a hidden Imam from the descent of Imam Mustansirbillah's younger son, Mustali. In the absence of Imam, who is in hiding You have been following Dais for a few centuries. You have split from your Bohora brothers who have a Dai in India and who are known as Dawoodi Bohoras. They have started calling themselves as Ismailis, recently, and claim to be inheritors of Fatimid Dawa. There are also differences in practice of the faith.
To marry a JK Ismaili, better to say, Nizari Ismaili, it would not be difficult if both of you wished to marry each other, but to propose to somebody outside of faith is not very common.
Why don't you try and look for someone from your own religious background. There are many Suleimani Bohoras in India and the U.S. and they have their own websites.
Virgo2
There are a lot of differences between your version and ours. First of all We have a living Imam who is in direct descent from the Prophet and Imam Mustansirbillah's eldest son, Nizar. We believe that Imam should be present to guide his flock You have a hidden Imam from the descent of Imam Mustansirbillah's younger son, Mustali. In the absence of Imam, who is in hiding You have been following Dais for a few centuries. You have split from your Bohora brothers who have a Dai in India and who are known as Dawoodi Bohoras. They have started calling themselves as Ismailis, recently, and claim to be inheritors of Fatimid Dawa. There are also differences in practice of the faith.
To marry a JK Ismaili, better to say, Nizari Ismaili, it would not be difficult if both of you wished to marry each other, but to propose to somebody outside of faith is not very common.
Why don't you try and look for someone from your own religious background. There are many Suleimani Bohoras in India and the U.S. and they have their own websites.
Virgo2
To all: thanks for replying
To Virgo2: to me that is a real wide knowledge, you are partially right in some of what you said.
You are right, people here classify us as Suleimany Ismailies. And you are right that we are located in Najran and that our Dai has passed away about three months ago (God bless his spirit) but wasn’t replaced by his son but by someone else.
I am not gonna argue with you about who spilt from who, talking about us and the Dawoodies, but somehow yes they are the most identical type to us in terms of worshiping.
Now that it is quite clear to which group I belong to, I am gonna shift back to our main issue.
You said “To marry a JK Ismaili, better to say, Nizari Ismaili, it would not be difficult if both of you wished to marry each other, but to propose to somebody outside of faith is not very common.” I am a bit curios about the last part, I didn’t fully understand what you meant. Do you mean that people from your society will consider me as an outsider?
You concluded your reply with a proposal about marrying someone that has the same background. Actually, it will be much easier to find someone from the same background but it is a matter of interest. I am married with a woman from the same area, and wish to marry a girl from Eastren Europe.
I don’t know where you are from and how big is the JK but I assume that I am talking to people from Uzbekistan or Tajikistan. Is that true or am I mistaking?
You also mentioned our brothers in India & US. I know about them but unfortunately, my interests drive me to somewhere else.
I will be very thankful if you give me any further details about those in United States and/or in Yugoslavia.
I will be looking forward to hear from you or from anyone else wiling to help in this matter.
God bless you all
To Virgo2: to me that is a real wide knowledge, you are partially right in some of what you said.
You are right, people here classify us as Suleimany Ismailies. And you are right that we are located in Najran and that our Dai has passed away about three months ago (God bless his spirit) but wasn’t replaced by his son but by someone else.
I am not gonna argue with you about who spilt from who, talking about us and the Dawoodies, but somehow yes they are the most identical type to us in terms of worshiping.
Now that it is quite clear to which group I belong to, I am gonna shift back to our main issue.
You said “To marry a JK Ismaili, better to say, Nizari Ismaili, it would not be difficult if both of you wished to marry each other, but to propose to somebody outside of faith is not very common.” I am a bit curios about the last part, I didn’t fully understand what you meant. Do you mean that people from your society will consider me as an outsider?
You concluded your reply with a proposal about marrying someone that has the same background. Actually, it will be much easier to find someone from the same background but it is a matter of interest. I am married with a woman from the same area, and wish to marry a girl from Eastren Europe.
I don’t know where you are from and how big is the JK but I assume that I am talking to people from Uzbekistan or Tajikistan. Is that true or am I mistaking?
You also mentioned our brothers in India & US. I know about them but unfortunately, my interests drive me to somewhere else.
I will be very thankful if you give me any further details about those in United States and/or in Yugoslavia.
I will be looking forward to hear from you or from anyone else wiling to help in this matter.
God bless you all
Dear friend:
You say: I am a bit curios about the last part, I didn’t fully understand what you meant. Do you mean that people from your society will consider me as an outsider?
I'll be very frank with you. Like people of all faiths who marry outside their own faith, the spouses are welcome socially but there is a divide when it comes to practicing the faith. Then there is a question of in which faith children would be raised, etc.
You say you are already married, and I understand it is ok to have more than one wife in your part of the world but in Eastern Europe or the U.S. where we are, polygamy is not allowed. No, you are not talking to a Tajki or an Uzbeki, you are talking to the U.S. and western Europe. Occasionally you will find somebody from Eastern Europe. However, the respondents are from the U.S.
Good luck brother. By the way, why do you call us JK Ismailis. just curious. Virgo2
You say: I am a bit curios about the last part, I didn’t fully understand what you meant. Do you mean that people from your society will consider me as an outsider?
I'll be very frank with you. Like people of all faiths who marry outside their own faith, the spouses are welcome socially but there is a divide when it comes to practicing the faith. Then there is a question of in which faith children would be raised, etc.
You say you are already married, and I understand it is ok to have more than one wife in your part of the world but in Eastern Europe or the U.S. where we are, polygamy is not allowed. No, you are not talking to a Tajki or an Uzbeki, you are talking to the U.S. and western Europe. Occasionally you will find somebody from Eastern Europe. However, the respondents are from the U.S.
Good luck brother. By the way, why do you call us JK Ismailis. just curious. Virgo2
To tell you the truth I myself don’t know what exactly this JK means but I think I read one article in this site where the writer used these two letters as an initial for Jamatkhanas. Wondering if this is any relevant?
I hope that it didn’t cause you any inconvenient feeling, and I promise not to use it again.
So. I guess there is some sort of misunderstanding here, as I thought I was talking to people from Western Europe and located in Europe not in the United States.
Thank you for your time and kind understanding.
I hope that it didn’t cause you any inconvenient feeling, and I promise not to use it again.
So. I guess there is some sort of misunderstanding here, as I thought I was talking to people from Western Europe and located in Europe not in the United States.
Thank you for your time and kind understanding.
Dear Tasbiha,
I had my doubts. Also, I was wondering how can any Suleimany Ismaili from Saudi Arabia write to an ismaili forum, claiming to be an Ismaili and not Wahabi, without being caught and thrown into a dungeon. I gave the guy the benefit of doubt, thinking he might be in surrounding area in the Middle East.
Thank you for your clarification.
I had my doubts. Also, I was wondering how can any Suleimany Ismaili from Saudi Arabia write to an ismaili forum, claiming to be an Ismaili and not Wahabi, without being caught and thrown into a dungeon. I gave the guy the benefit of doubt, thinking he might be in surrounding area in the Middle East.
Thank you for your clarification.
Now, what is all of this about? and what clarification are we talking about here?Virgo2 wrote:Dear Tasbiha,
I had my doubts. Also, I was wondering how can any Suleimany Ismaili from Saudi Arabia write to an ismaili forum, claiming to be an Ismaili and not Wahabi, without being caught and thrown into a dungeon. I gave the guy the benefit of doubt, thinking he might be in surrounding area in the Middle East.
Thank you for your clarification.
I am a Saudi citizin, a member of the Suleimany group and talking to you from Saudi Arabia. Your page isn't bannded and it is not the only shia site that is not bannded in Saudi Arabia as there are hundreds of them that people can browse.
You must have a wrong idea about Saudi Arabia.
I didn't claim to be anything else than who I am, plus why would I do so? Did I ask for anything that I would need to pretend being someone else to get, I guess not?
Finaly, both of you are wrong and I was really disappointed that you have such thoughts.
Thank you anyways