Some more questions.

[schatoor]

Hello, Maybe you have alraigdy figured it out, but I am very active on other muslim but non-Ismaili forums. People there know I'm Ismaili and sometimes they ask questions I cannot answer. Thats why I come here, so that a more knowlegdable Ismaili brother may help me.
So again, today, someone asks me this:

When Hasan bin Sabbah was yet in Cairo in 471/1078, De Lacy O'Leary writes in "A Short History of the Fatimid Khalifate" (London, 1923, p. 209) that, "At the time, it appears, the court was divided into two factions over the question of the succession, the one party holding to the Khalif's elder son Nizar, the other to a younger son named Musta'li. In one place Nasir-i Khusaro says that the Khalif told him that his elder son Nizar was to be his heir, and the succession of the older son would be in accordance with the doctrines of the sect as already proved by their adherence to Ismail, the son of Jafar as-Sadiq. But Badr and the chief officials were on the side of the younger son Musta'li."

from http://www.ismaili.net/html/

From this it is clear that the elder son of the Imam should be the next Imam, according to the Ismaili docerine. So why is Imam Hussein the Imam after Hazrat Ali, instead of Hazrat Hassan?

Ya Ali Madad

[kmaherali]

The following is the will of Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah which I hope will clarify the issue. Doctrines are always tentative and they serve to explain a particular circumstance. They can always be superceded by another one. In this case the Imam's own statement is authoritative.

"Ever since the time of my ancestor Ali, the first Imam, that is to say over a period of thirteen hundred years, it has always been the tradition of our family that each Imam chooses his successor at his absolute and unfettered discretion from amongst any of his descendants, whether they be sons or remote male issue and in these circumstances and in view of the fundamentally altered conditions in the world in very recent years due to the great changes which have taken place including the discoveries of atomic science, I am convinced that it is in the best interest of the Shia Muslim Ismailia Community that I should be succeeded by a young man who has been brought up and developed during recent years and in the midst of the new age and who brings a new outlook on life to his office as Imam. For these reasons, I appoint my grandson Karim, the son of my own son, Aly Salomone Khan to succeed to the title of Aga Khan and to the Imam and Pir of all Shia Ismailian followers."

[schatoor]

Thank you very much!

[arzimood]

ofourse we stead fast to it but besides when it comes to answering others, wht id like to know after reading this thread n Tareeq-e-Aima is that did Moula Ali announced sccession to Imam Hussain?

[kmaherali]

ofourse we stead fast to it but besides when it comes to answering others, wht id like to know after reading this thread n Tareeq-e-Aima is that did Moula Ali announced sccession to Imam Hussain?

"When Nabi Mohammed Mustafa departed from this world he appointed Pir Imam Hasan as his successor to carry on the work. Similarly, Murtaza Ali appointed Imam Husayn as the Imam after him." (Gujrati Farman book 'Kutchh na Farman' pages 8-9.)

It has been true for 48 generations that the father or grandfather has been the predecessor Imam to the current. From this it follows that the Imam before Imam Husein must have been his father Hazarat Ali.

The key is for us to be convinced about the fact. If we are convinced ourselves, then we will find ways of convincing others.

[arzimood]

we donot have to convince ourselves.. this is amonsgst the basis of our faith.. wht i inquired is if anyone know the reference to any such saying of Ali(A.S) or Prophet with reference.. coz when wwe talk abt Muslims bsides Aga Khanis, we dont quote farameen n we need references of aya haidt being quoted.
awaiting response

[kmaherali]

[Holy Quran 3:34] Offspring, one of the other: And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

Imam Husein was not the offspring of Hazarat Hassan but Hazarat Ali.

[kandani]

You can always just agree and say yes....Imam Hasan was an Imam.

Because...for us, he was just a different type of Imam - he was an
Imam-i Mustawda (Entrusted Imam) rather than a Imam-i Mustaqarr (Permanent Imam).

Since they dont see the difference between the two....just go ahead and say yes, Imam Hasan was the Imam.

[arzimood]

Thanks:)