Hazar Imam is God... Then who is Satan?

[s786]

I don't mean to cause any sort of a stir or be rude. But this thought has been sitting with me for quite some time.

Mowlana Shah Karim Hazar Imam (MHI) is God. Then who is Satan?

George Bush? Bin Laden? Saddam?

Rather than "Satanic Figures" does anyone have a solid answer or any thoughts?

It would be interesting to see how many respond.

If we can have the Mazhar of Allah on earth or God in a human form... I am sure the same can be said and done with Evil --> Dr. Satan.

S786

[kandani]

Mazhar of Allah does not mean God has taken human form.

Plz understand the concept first.

Will be glad to assist you in this.

[ahmedakber]

can u plz explain this concept in detail.

[razinizar]

don't See the Physical Aspect of it ...
Hazar Imam is Also a Human. he is Directly Desdendent to GOD. he is the IMAM of the time.
As a IMAM, he Knows everything Spritually and Physically, He Gives u Direct Path towards GOD.
In your Real life .. Ever Needed a SWITCHER/ Booster for ur LAN/ TV Connection .. Where your LAN card Simple Interact with the Switcher/Router and the Switcher/Router Directly Connected to the Server .. So tell me if ur connecting with Switch .. it doesn't mean Switch is a Server..
we need Switch bcoz Your Signals are too weak for the server.

HAZIR IMAM is like a Switch/Router, Who can reproduce Our Weak Signals.

I think in that Sense .. he is MAZHAR .. bcoz he can Reproduce Signals/

"Correct me if i m Wrong .. but its my OWN Thinking"

[kandani]

Ya Ali Madad,

I would agree that regarding the Allah - Man relationship, Hazar Imam is like the Router/Switch between the Server (Allah) and the individual computers (Humans).

A very good analogy!

Imam SMS has said, the Imam during his life on earth is the River which links the Ocean (Allah) to the raindrops (Mumins).

Plz contact me at [email protected] and I will explain my individual understanding of Mazhar.

YAM

[s786]

Okay putting aside our views/way of looking at MHI... if someone could continue to answer my question about Satan, that would be nice.

Lets try as much as possible to stick to the topic

[kmaherali]

Okay putting aside our views/way of looking at MHI... if someone could continue to answer my question about Satan, that would be nice.

Lets try as much as possible to stick to the topic

In my opinion today Satan would be more a phenomenon than a person. It would be excessive materialism and consumerism. There was a discussion on this in this forum under Ginans -> Gur nar thee bhulaa taasu, in case you are interested in it.

Having said the above, in our illustrious history we have had personalities who have been identified as embodiments of Satan. For example Yazid during the time of Imam Husein; Harnakans, Madhukitak, Bal Raja, Raavan, Kans, Duryodhan during the periods of Das Avtaar. Today there is no one person who can be identified as a personification of Satan.

[s786]

Any opinions on which one of the two (God or Satan) are more powerful?

[curious2]

Any opinions on which one of the two (God or Satan) are more powerful?

I believe they are equal. (I have explored the Satan/Evil only with Dr. Chopra's material so accept this reply within that same context.)

[s786]

Any opinions on which one of the two (God or Satan) are more powerful?

I believe they are equal. (I have explored the Satan/Evil only with Dr. Chopra's material so accept this reply within that same context.)

The full name of Dr. Chopra would be?

Thanks
S786

[s786]

Also... during the time of Hazrat Ali, perhaps Abu Bakr and the two Caliphs succeeding him were Satanic figures?

Thanks,

S786

[razinizar]

I always Believed that .. thru Ibadat You can Explorer Hidden Truths and Hidden Meaning .. Instead of Asking that Delicate Question in this Forum .. ask it to the GOD thru meditation b/w 4am to 5am time... UsE ISM-E-AZAM(Any Name of the GOD)

Our Beloved Prophet Use to go to Gar-E-Hira for this Same Purpose to Explorer hidden truth of the GOD and his creation.

Most of the Question which can't be Answer in WORDS .. U have to Feel it for urself... JUST LIKE AIR U CAN Feel it (that its Exist).. But u can't EXPLAIN IT in WORDs..

[kmaherali]

Also... during the time of Hazrat Ali, perhaps Abu Bakr and the two Caliphs succeeding him were Satanic figures?

Thanks,

S786

Yes, in my opinion. In as much as they were instrumental in concealing or obstructing the truth from the masses.

[star_munir]

As you asked "If we can have the Mazhar of Allah on earth or God in a human form... I am sure the same can be said and done with Evil --> Dr. Satan. "

The Satan is "Daint Kalingo" according to Holy Ginans. It represents the opposite of Naklanki Avtaar. Daint means demon and Kalingo means black. As per hadiths it it Dajjal.. There are lot of Ginans and hadiths in this regard and different interpretation and undertanding of different people. A lot have been discussed about it in past in these forums.

[ahmedakber]

As far as my understanding, satan resides in each of us in the form of our nafs... and we r fighting never ending jahad with our nafs.

Correct me if im wrong..

[kmaherali]

As far as my understanding, satan resides in each of us in the form of our nafs... and we r fighting never ending jahad with our nafs.

Correct me if im wrong..

Absolutely! At a personal level this satan always exists and there is a constant battle between lower self and intellect (aql, budhi). Indeed the purpose of life is to overcome this satan and experience God here.

I think satan in this thread is construed as someone opposing the avataar or mazhar in a cosmic sense.