Ya Ali Madad:
this a headlines news in todays city tabloid whose debate might go go countrywide may be all media.
The supreme Dai of Bohra community has issued a religious order yesterday that Bohris
must during the coming 10 days of Mohharam.They should keep thier business close,those on job to take 10 days leave n students to take 10 days from college/schools.
If they do abide to it they will excommunicated/akin expel from the community.
This is state of dai,mullah,kazi,maulana,mufti of other sects with zero spiritual Intellect or qualitative secular education.
they made TOXIC cocktail OF Zahiri meaning of Holybook, 85% Fake hadiths and
Sirat/acts of Entity.
As they are nor aware o f soul or baatin,they keep unleashing all fatwas in anem of God n holy entity. Induce n enforce unwarranted physicals act n symbols to override any type of civil,humane moral living in the society.
This is an Shia related event of the past.
I feel if this fatwa is strictly enforced for next 3 years.10% of bohri will leave that sect and 25% of the balance remaining will be disoriented
in away whether to value their job,education,income or withdraw oneself into submission n prayers.
Opinion of human members of the forum solicited.
These are not sheperds but in reality no less than devils,satans and kasai's ( bucther).
In the name of God n toxic cocktail ,english,maths science, geography,civic sense must take back seat .so the future generation is either grows up as a NAMAZI beggar,deprieved or a militant.
DHURD PADEE AISEE DHARAM AUR USKE RIVAJ PAR.
Amusing Fatwa
There is a related thread at:
Differences in belief between Bohras and Nizaris
http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... opic&t=698
Differences in belief between Bohras and Nizaris
http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... opic&t=698
To zznoor: Ya Ali madad.
to the people who are used to round dialer phones, the mobile phones may look strange.
to the first part.May there are some members who are wise crack and loose canons.Here one said it out of obediance to Imam and religious sentiment (Dharmik Bhavna). Imams in the past have never spoke like that.He assumed the word maybe inapropriate based on his/her thinking level.
To the last line of 'LET LIVE.'
the result of 1370 years of toxic cocktails fed by so called custodian of faith.
In India which has 14% muslim population,70% of jail population are shariatis and 60% of beggars are also them.they come come in flying colours
in worst parameters in quality of Life.
What must the piety of their families? one word AAFAT.
LET them live like that for next centuries.
the whole toxic cocktail needs to re looked and balanced with what a civilized society needs.
How screwed up is the ummah there?By the year 2050. India will over 300 million muslims,the highest in the world.
In a small town with two masjids n one Jail, tree mullah,kazi are trained out of which one is from a jail inmates as one to keep the flock religious in Jail.
AISE NOUBAT AA GAYEE HAI.
to the people who are used to round dialer phones, the mobile phones may look strange.
to the first part.May there are some members who are wise crack and loose canons.Here one said it out of obediance to Imam and religious sentiment (Dharmik Bhavna). Imams in the past have never spoke like that.He assumed the word maybe inapropriate based on his/her thinking level.
To the last line of 'LET LIVE.'
the result of 1370 years of toxic cocktails fed by so called custodian of faith.
In India which has 14% muslim population,70% of jail population are shariatis and 60% of beggars are also them.they come come in flying colours
in worst parameters in quality of Life.
What must the piety of their families? one word AAFAT.
LET them live like that for next centuries.
the whole toxic cocktail needs to re looked and balanced with what a civilized society needs.
How screwed up is the ummah there?By the year 2050. India will over 300 million muslims,the highest in the world.
In a small town with two masjids n one Jail, tree mullah,kazi are trained out of which one is from a jail inmates as one to keep the flock religious in Jail.
AISE NOUBAT AA GAYEE HAI.
Re: Amusing Fatwa
No school for 10 days; Muharram prayers are a must, says Syedna
Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin, the spiritual leader of the Dawoodi Bohra community, has made the 10-day mourning period for Muharram starting October 14 compulsory for followers. A notice issued by the Syedna Trust last week states that children would have to stay at home for prayers and has advised parents to apply for leave, both at schools and their offices. The notice states that those not following the diktat could face consequences.
There are approximately 2.5 lakh Dawoodi Bohras in Mumbai and the notice is being mailed in batches to their homes. The process started last week.
Although Qureshi Raghib, the Dawoodi Bohra community spokesperson, refused to comment on the issue, a member from Andheri confirmed the same to Mumbai Mirror. "Muharram is a very important time for any Shia not only in Mumbai but across the world.
Our Syedna has always asked us to attend the 10 day long prayers but this year he has made it compulsory. Everyone has to attend for all 10 days without fail," he said.
Some members of the community voiced their dissent over making the period of mourning compulsory. They said there are rumours that members who don't attend the prayer on all days could face cancellation of their e-Jamaat cards. The blocking of the card means that the person cannot enter any mosque or religious gathering where access is controlled through the card.
A member from Mazagaon told Mumbai Mirror: "Prayers during Muharram have always been optional and I see no reason to make it compulsory now. My husband works in a private firm and it is very difficult for him to ask for leave for ten days. Even schools are reluctant towards granting leave for such a long period of time since the students miss classes and find it difficult to catch up."
Shortly after receiving the notice, parents have started applying for leave to avoid objection from the school authorities later. "We don't want a repeat of what happened during Laylat al-Qadr where the principal had punished students who missed school on July 9. Parents are thus applying for leave from this month itself," said a parent whose daughter studies at St. Agnes School in Byculla.
Laylat al-Qadr, or the 'Night of Power', is a very significant event for Muslims and is considered the most auspicious period to pray for forgiveness.
Another parent whose daughters study in St Mary's school in Mazgaon confirmed the receipt of the notice which came on Thursday. "Muharram is an important event in our community where we pray and mourn from morning till evening. It is difficult for the children to attend classes in school during this period. The state government grants leave to schools for festival like Ganesh Chaturthi and Christmas.
Why should we not get holidays for an event as important as Muharram," she asked.
Messages about the notice have been circulating on social media. One such message states that in case parents face difficulties in getting leave sanctioned, they can use the Jamaat letterhead from the community's education officer and submit the application to the principal. .
http://www.mumbaimirror.com/mumbai/cove ... 407367.cms
Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin, the spiritual leader of the Dawoodi Bohra community, has made the 10-day mourning period for Muharram starting October 14 compulsory for followers. A notice issued by the Syedna Trust last week states that children would have to stay at home for prayers and has advised parents to apply for leave, both at schools and their offices. The notice states that those not following the diktat could face consequences.
There are approximately 2.5 lakh Dawoodi Bohras in Mumbai and the notice is being mailed in batches to their homes. The process started last week.
Although Qureshi Raghib, the Dawoodi Bohra community spokesperson, refused to comment on the issue, a member from Andheri confirmed the same to Mumbai Mirror. "Muharram is a very important time for any Shia not only in Mumbai but across the world.
Our Syedna has always asked us to attend the 10 day long prayers but this year he has made it compulsory. Everyone has to attend for all 10 days without fail," he said.
Some members of the community voiced their dissent over making the period of mourning compulsory. They said there are rumours that members who don't attend the prayer on all days could face cancellation of their e-Jamaat cards. The blocking of the card means that the person cannot enter any mosque or religious gathering where access is controlled through the card.
A member from Mazagaon told Mumbai Mirror: "Prayers during Muharram have always been optional and I see no reason to make it compulsory now. My husband works in a private firm and it is very difficult for him to ask for leave for ten days. Even schools are reluctant towards granting leave for such a long period of time since the students miss classes and find it difficult to catch up."
Shortly after receiving the notice, parents have started applying for leave to avoid objection from the school authorities later. "We don't want a repeat of what happened during Laylat al-Qadr where the principal had punished students who missed school on July 9. Parents are thus applying for leave from this month itself," said a parent whose daughter studies at St. Agnes School in Byculla.
Laylat al-Qadr, or the 'Night of Power', is a very significant event for Muslims and is considered the most auspicious period to pray for forgiveness.
Another parent whose daughters study in St Mary's school in Mazgaon confirmed the receipt of the notice which came on Thursday. "Muharram is an important event in our community where we pray and mourn from morning till evening. It is difficult for the children to attend classes in school during this period. The state government grants leave to schools for festival like Ganesh Chaturthi and Christmas.
Why should we not get holidays for an event as important as Muharram," she asked.
Messages about the notice have been circulating on social media. One such message states that in case parents face difficulties in getting leave sanctioned, they can use the Jamaat letterhead from the community's education officer and submit the application to the principal. .
http://www.mumbaimirror.com/mumbai/cove ... 407367.cms
Dawoodi Bohra factions now fight over custody of 9 kids
Kids taken away from Saifee Mahal by their mothers, daughters of Qutbuddin, on the very day the Syedna died.
As the battle over who is the rightful successor to the late Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin wages in the Dawoodi Bohra community, a parallel dispute has been happening between the two warring sides over custody of nine children who happen to be descendants of both factions.
On January 17, the very day that the Syedna passed away, the children -- who lived in Saifee Mahal, home of the Syedna and his family in Malabar Hill, were taken away to Thane by their mothers, and there has been no trace of them ever since.
Their mothers, Arwa and Fatema, are both daughters of Khuzima Qutbuddin who is now threatening legal action to claim spiritual leadership of the community as its 53rd Dai or religious leader. Thane is where Qutbuddin resides. Immediately after they left their Malabar Hill home, the children were "sent abroad to ensure their safety," said a member of Qutbuddin's family, requesting anonymity.
The children's fathers on the other hand, belong to Mufaddal Saifuddin's side of the family. Arwa is married to Mufaddal's son Taha; the couple have five children. Fatema is married to Mufaddal's nephew Ibrahim, and they have four children.
Insiders told Mirror that the battle over the children, aged between eight and sixteen years, has been brewing since January. And now that the mourning period for the late Syedna is over, both sides are becoming aggressive about their rights over the children.
The fathers of the children are now exploring all options to get the children back, while the mothers support their father Qutbuddin's faction over their husband's side, and do not want their children to live in Saifee Mahal any longer.
Members of Qutbuddin's family said that Arwa and Fatema, who were aware of the succession battle in the offing, "feared for their lives and their children's and hence fled". "They are firm believers in their father's philosophy and stake to the community leadership. They knew that their community would have choose between their father and Mufaddal as religious leader and that a split in the community was inevitable. They knew they would not be able to follow their father while living with their husbands, and had no choice but to flee," said the member of Qutbuddin's family.
"The children are safe and with their uncle Taher Bhaisaheb in the there for their safety," Zara Qutbuddin, head of Qutbuddin's public relations team said. Had the children not been sent overseas, Mufaddal's side would have traced them and forced them back to their home, claims the Qutbuddin faction.
Mufaddal's side on the other hand, was emphatic that the children should be with their fathers.
"They have been whisked away and forced to go with their mothers. They belong with their fathers," said a senior member of Mufaddal's side. However there was no official comment from this faction, on the grounds that the matter was personal in nature. Mufaddal's side, according to sources, are in talks with their lawyers to find a way to claim custody of the children.
"The children have been sent to US, where our laws do not apply. We are grappling with the situation to find a way out," said the Mufaddal family member.
WHAT LED TO THE FEUD?
After Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin died on January 17, the rift between the two sides became immediately apparent. Syedna's brother Khuzaima Qutbuddin (the Syedna's deputy and one of the claimants to the title of Dai) paid his last respects to the just-deceased Syedna and left the official residence of Saifee Mahal (Malabar Hill) for his other residence in Thane. The Syedna's second son Mufaddal Saifuddin, who was away in Colombo, rushed back to Mumbai and sat mourning beside his father's body.
That very night Khuzaima Qutbuddin made his first official address, indicating that the succession (nass) had been made in his favour 49 years ago and he was the 53rd Dai. Mufaddal Saifuddin, however, also claimed that he had been appointed as successor by the Syedna two years ago. Ever since, the two sides have been at war. .
http://www.mumbaimirror.com/mumbai/othe ... 860902.cms
Kids taken away from Saifee Mahal by their mothers, daughters of Qutbuddin, on the very day the Syedna died.
As the battle over who is the rightful successor to the late Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin wages in the Dawoodi Bohra community, a parallel dispute has been happening between the two warring sides over custody of nine children who happen to be descendants of both factions.
On January 17, the very day that the Syedna passed away, the children -- who lived in Saifee Mahal, home of the Syedna and his family in Malabar Hill, were taken away to Thane by their mothers, and there has been no trace of them ever since.
Their mothers, Arwa and Fatema, are both daughters of Khuzima Qutbuddin who is now threatening legal action to claim spiritual leadership of the community as its 53rd Dai or religious leader. Thane is where Qutbuddin resides. Immediately after they left their Malabar Hill home, the children were "sent abroad to ensure their safety," said a member of Qutbuddin's family, requesting anonymity.
The children's fathers on the other hand, belong to Mufaddal Saifuddin's side of the family. Arwa is married to Mufaddal's son Taha; the couple have five children. Fatema is married to Mufaddal's nephew Ibrahim, and they have four children.
Insiders told Mirror that the battle over the children, aged between eight and sixteen years, has been brewing since January. And now that the mourning period for the late Syedna is over, both sides are becoming aggressive about their rights over the children.
The fathers of the children are now exploring all options to get the children back, while the mothers support their father Qutbuddin's faction over their husband's side, and do not want their children to live in Saifee Mahal any longer.
Members of Qutbuddin's family said that Arwa and Fatema, who were aware of the succession battle in the offing, "feared for their lives and their children's and hence fled". "They are firm believers in their father's philosophy and stake to the community leadership. They knew that their community would have choose between their father and Mufaddal as religious leader and that a split in the community was inevitable. They knew they would not be able to follow their father while living with their husbands, and had no choice but to flee," said the member of Qutbuddin's family.
"The children are safe and with their uncle Taher Bhaisaheb in the there for their safety," Zara Qutbuddin, head of Qutbuddin's public relations team said. Had the children not been sent overseas, Mufaddal's side would have traced them and forced them back to their home, claims the Qutbuddin faction.
Mufaddal's side on the other hand, was emphatic that the children should be with their fathers.
"They have been whisked away and forced to go with their mothers. They belong with their fathers," said a senior member of Mufaddal's side. However there was no official comment from this faction, on the grounds that the matter was personal in nature. Mufaddal's side, according to sources, are in talks with their lawyers to find a way to claim custody of the children.
"The children have been sent to US, where our laws do not apply. We are grappling with the situation to find a way out," said the Mufaddal family member.
WHAT LED TO THE FEUD?
After Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin died on January 17, the rift between the two sides became immediately apparent. Syedna's brother Khuzaima Qutbuddin (the Syedna's deputy and one of the claimants to the title of Dai) paid his last respects to the just-deceased Syedna and left the official residence of Saifee Mahal (Malabar Hill) for his other residence in Thane. The Syedna's second son Mufaddal Saifuddin, who was away in Colombo, rushed back to Mumbai and sat mourning beside his father's body.
That very night Khuzaima Qutbuddin made his first official address, indicating that the succession (nass) had been made in his favour 49 years ago and he was the 53rd Dai. Mufaddal Saifuddin, however, also claimed that he had been appointed as successor by the Syedna two years ago. Ever since, the two sides have been at war. .
http://www.mumbaimirror.com/mumbai/othe ... 860902.cms
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About 10 days off declared by chief dais of Bohras!!
According my Sunny turned "no religion person" they are lost!! he told me this and much more in our weekly business meeting !!!
According him, this kind strange fatwas takes place when some sect started towards its downfall!, Daudi Bohras are an Ismailis but believe this their downfall has already started when they dewided more than 100 years ago! Ab waisi bhi bohre abhi bahot thode rah gaye hai! and they are already divided in 2-3 sects and they are fighting and accusing each other for not being a true Muslims, but in my observation the main problem is this they don't have any leader like Aga Khan who can keep them united!! soon or latter they have to merge in different sect and that sect is Ismaili sect !!!
Aameen I told him in reply! what a great prediction from my once a Sunny friend.
He has some prediction for Sunny Muslims too! which I will post latter on! In my thinking he is more reliable then wikiislam or wikipedia.
According my Sunny turned "no religion person" they are lost!! he told me this and much more in our weekly business meeting !!!
According him, this kind strange fatwas takes place when some sect started towards its downfall!, Daudi Bohras are an Ismailis but believe this their downfall has already started when they dewided more than 100 years ago! Ab waisi bhi bohre abhi bahot thode rah gaye hai! and they are already divided in 2-3 sects and they are fighting and accusing each other for not being a true Muslims, but in my observation the main problem is this they don't have any leader like Aga Khan who can keep them united!! soon or latter they have to merge in different sect and that sect is Ismaili sect !!!
Aameen I told him in reply! what a great prediction from my once a Sunny friend.He has some prediction for Sunny Muslims too! which I will post latter on! In my thinking he is more reliable then wikiislam or wikipedia.
Ya Ali Madad: Just read that the dissident among Bohras are challenging the Dai's dikat head on. They will taking their actions and petition on all social media n you tube.
I assume matter may end up in court of law.as the fatwa infringes with the Constitution of India.I was anticipating it from day one
As a matter one group have sought my opinion for their action.
They are also Ismailis (Musteali stream) coming closest to us.(not in belief).
As I have informed that Bohras believe that their Dai speaks to the hidden Imam on ongoing basis spiritually.
I have my doubts on that.The current status will have vertical divide on the fatwa issued.
Holistic opinion needed from members with no blind criticism and abuse please.They are our brethren in Faith.
I assume matter may end up in court of law.as the fatwa infringes with the Constitution of India.I was anticipating it from day one
As a matter one group have sought my opinion for their action.
They are also Ismailis (Musteali stream) coming closest to us.(not in belief).
As I have informed that Bohras believe that their Dai speaks to the hidden Imam on ongoing basis spiritually.
I have my doubts on that.The current status will have vertical divide on the fatwa issued.
Holistic opinion needed from members with no blind criticism and abuse please.They are our brethren in Faith.
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Ya Ali Madad;
I did meet a group a dissenting bohras raising issue of this fatwa.
they asked me my inputs on the matter/dope they have against the Dai.
I refused totally on that as I felt my inputs can make them more dangerous than they are already today.
I have asked what is the core reason of Dai wanting his followers to withdraw into sermon, prayers n submission for continued Ten days.?
Does any one suspect of his inner circle advisor/s looking crooked to mis guide the Dai to bring him down?. The Dai may be Innocent ?
Does Dai can be requested to see or meet a non Bohra on this fatwa with no negative talks done at all ? can that person have eye to eye contact while speaking or hearing him?
I assume that this gang seem to be on black list of Dai.
They would get back to me with my questions.
I did meet a group a dissenting bohras raising issue of this fatwa.
they asked me my inputs on the matter/dope they have against the Dai.
I refused totally on that as I felt my inputs can make them more dangerous than they are already today.
I have asked what is the core reason of Dai wanting his followers to withdraw into sermon, prayers n submission for continued Ten days.?
Does any one suspect of his inner circle advisor/s looking crooked to mis guide the Dai to bring him down?. The Dai may be Innocent ?
Does Dai can be requested to see or meet a non Bohra on this fatwa with no negative talks done at all ? can that person have eye to eye contact while speaking or hearing him?
I assume that this gang seem to be on black list of Dai.
They would get back to me with my questions.
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