Ya Ali Madad:
Ten Years back in any given quarter( period of 3 month).10% of the world countries were affected by natural or human made calamities etc.
If one observes the frequencies and scale n activation of earth quakes,floods,typhoons, tsunami, bush fire, volcanos, cloud burst,viruses.
heat wave,tundra blast,land slide etc the acts of nature and also famine, displacement thru conflicts and wars. freak killing incidents which are singular or collective act of Humans.
In 2015 over 30% of countries are affected by one or more acts or events in any given quarter.Increase of 200% in ten year,Imagine next 50 years.
Why all these happens?
Is God via nature is telling something grave?
your qualitative inputs please.
I have further to add on this topic.
BTW. One city is western europe has been lease impacted with natures act.
THE WORLD TODAY.
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It has been predicted by many religions including Ismaili ginans that as days will passing by more and more natural and man made disasters will be pop up in form of earthquakes, Tsunami, strange disease wich can not cured! flood, wars, nuclear and radiation accidents, atomic wars, various type of accidents e.t.c. Allah has to keeps the balance in population growth he will try in forms disasters but still world's population getting out of control.
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Reply,agakhani wrote:It has been predicted by many religions including Ismaili ginans that as days will passing by more and more natural and man made disasters will be pop up in form of earthquakes, Tsunami, strange disease wich can not cured! flood, wars, nuclear and radiation accidents, atomic wars, various type of accidents e.t.c. Allah has to keeps the balance in population growth he will try in forms disasters but still world's population getting out of control.
What a deep philosophical thinking! Bravo.
Did God text message you, if world population cross 7B, He can not afford to provide food and shelter and will destroy extra population by various means as you and your friend has mentioned, and damages in properties worth trillions of dollars.
Mr. AK, I have an idea. U N O member countries should submit a petition to God imploring to switch off the baby production button in women for 25 years so that no more babies will be born and that's how the population can be controlled and to save trillions of dollars in damages that can be use for development works. Also, there should be one more condition, test tube babies should be stopped, how is that?
Ya Ali Madad: The first part of Agakhani was right.the second he may have miscrafted the statement,which usually happens with him.
God is not re balancing the population. the world pop growth of last 1 billion
in last few decades world never saw half of it in unnatural death.
The natural act does kill in 100's or thousand but many many millions are displaced in those area for year with pain,grief,agony n hardship.
the total of two act in Syria n Nepal (human act n natural) has made life of over 10 million of them, their current status is 'worse than death'.These are just 2 of over 40 countries in stress status currently.
today 37% of world population do NOT believe in god or religion rituals at all.
they are not thankful or grateful to GOD, so would be reply of God to them.( I feel now basic act of prayer is needed of ignorant n lost ones)
Many who pray with devilish acts as their main cause of Life.
If a tenant for years do pay rent to landlord then landlord will evict the tenant.Landlord may not like same sex couple living his apartment as well.
Nature will response exactly to level of spirituality level of the souls n earth.
The solution of the true name of GOD and prayers needed will come from Ismailis to the human population.
Everything is falling in place as per GOD master plan.
Just in today paper when fear was low 20% just 30 years back is now
52% of world FEAR global warming n 42% fear ISIS n terrorists.
Recitation n meditation of one true name will be one of the solutions to ease hardship n avoid calamities.
Human and natural acts have affected around may be more than a billion livings around the word.
It remind of a song of an old Hindi film
DEKH TERE SANSAR KI HAALAT
KYA HO GAYEE BHAGWAN.
KITNA BADAL GAYA INSAAN.
God is not re balancing the population. the world pop growth of last 1 billion
in last few decades world never saw half of it in unnatural death.
The natural act does kill in 100's or thousand but many many millions are displaced in those area for year with pain,grief,agony n hardship.
the total of two act in Syria n Nepal (human act n natural) has made life of over 10 million of them, their current status is 'worse than death'.These are just 2 of over 40 countries in stress status currently.
today 37% of world population do NOT believe in god or religion rituals at all.
they are not thankful or grateful to GOD, so would be reply of God to them.( I feel now basic act of prayer is needed of ignorant n lost ones)
Many who pray with devilish acts as their main cause of Life.
If a tenant for years do pay rent to landlord then landlord will evict the tenant.Landlord may not like same sex couple living his apartment as well.
Nature will response exactly to level of spirituality level of the souls n earth.
The solution of the true name of GOD and prayers needed will come from Ismailis to the human population.
Everything is falling in place as per GOD master plan.
Just in today paper when fear was low 20% just 30 years back is now
52% of world FEAR global warming n 42% fear ISIS n terrorists.
Recitation n meditation of one true name will be one of the solutions to ease hardship n avoid calamities.
Human and natural acts have affected around may be more than a billion livings around the word.
It remind of a song of an old Hindi film
DEKH TERE SANSAR KI HAALAT
KYA HO GAYEE BHAGWAN.
KITNA BADAL GAYA INSAAN.
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nuseri wrote:Ya Ali Madad: The first part of Agakhani was right.the second he may have miscrafted the statement,which usually happens with him.
God is not re balancing the population. the world pop growth of last 1 billion
in last few decades world never saw half of it in unnatural death.
The natural act does kill in 100's or thousand but many many millions are displaced in those area for year with pain,grief,agony n hardship.
the total of two act in Syria n Nepal (human act n natural) has made life of over 10 million of them, their current status is 'worse than death'.These are just 2 of over 40 countries in stress status currently.
today 37% of world population do NOT believe in god or religion rituals at all.
they are not thankful or grateful to GOD, so would be reply of God to them.( I feel now basic act of prayer is needed of ignorant n lost ones)
Many who pray with devilish acts as their main cause of Life.
If a tenant for years do pay rent to landlord then landlord will evict the tenant.Landlord may not like same sex couple living his apartment as well.
Nature will response exactly to level of spirituality level of the souls n earth.
The solution of the true name of GOD and prayers needed will come from Ismailis to the human population.
Everything is falling in place as per GOD master plan.
Just in today paper when fear was low 20% just 30 years back is now
52% of world FEAR global warming n 42% fear ISIS n terrorists.
Recitation n meditation of one true name will be one of the solutions to ease hardship n avoid calamities.
Human and natural acts have affected around may be more than a billion livings around the word.
It remind of a song of an old Hindi film
DEKH TERE SANSAR KI HAALAT
KYA HO GAYEE BHAGWAN.
KITNA BADAL GAYA INSAAN.
Reply,
Daily almost every shia recite Ya Ali, Ya Ali madad, Ya Ali fazal kar, Ya Ali agsisni, Ya Ali adrikni, Ya Ali rus, Ya Ali mishkil asan kar and so on.
In Pakistan shias massacred in bombings and firings, did Ali came to their rescue? In middle east (Iraq, Syria, Yemen, other countries ) shias are being killed in car bombings and firings, Is Ali protecting them there.? Almost 60% of Kashmirs are shias, Is Ali around there to solve their problem? 45% Palestine population is shias ( Druzies, Bhai's, Isna'ashiries ), Is Ali there to solve the issue?
The shepherd's sheep are massacred and he keeps watching!
Ya Ali Madad.
I am advocating for nizari ismailis not particular sect of Islam.
Shai n even druze's are NOT Ninizari ISMAILIS following MHI.
Most do not acknowledge our MHI, many even dislike n hate him and say many things about him.
Secetarion violence on Shia's is there from ages from last 1200 years n more.
nothing new in that.
They have been affected by politics n human act of devil and per se by act of nature.
little background info is needed.
from 1975 when petro dollar made one orthodox muslim country rich. they used part of their wealth to spread their Ideology of Islam. they have spent billion of dollars on that. 50 year of their effort has given them blood dividend from taliban, alqaeda n isis n many others.
their main act was to eliminate all infidels which inculded Shia in their hate doctines.
These terrorist organisations have killed more non shia muslims.
As they raised serpent,they do not know who they are stinging.
Blessed ismailis i see are far away from nature's fury.
God is replying to humans upon their status of spirituality.
what is natures act is just 10% today n ten fold may be there in store.
today the water has come to level of knees. in future will come to hip n upto neck of nature's fury.
Even the greatest prophet on Earth ,when he was in crises n his life in danger. he did not call out to Allah,fallah or tallah in the SKY but to ALI on ground.( he is suppose to rehemat/grace for mankind).
So when water will be chest level. the non Haqiqatis of the world ,who are no class n entitiy in comparism with great entity.
they will no option than to cry out 'Ya ALI Madad'.
All the serpent are being eliminated all over by drones n planes of over 40 civilized country. you may be next. watch out the skies.
the cost n peril will be seen on that region with 1000 times more damage from nature forwhat they are doing to humanity in name of God.
I am advocating for nizari ismailis not particular sect of Islam.
Shai n even druze's are NOT Ninizari ISMAILIS following MHI.
Most do not acknowledge our MHI, many even dislike n hate him and say many things about him.
Secetarion violence on Shia's is there from ages from last 1200 years n more.
nothing new in that.
They have been affected by politics n human act of devil and per se by act of nature.
little background info is needed.
from 1975 when petro dollar made one orthodox muslim country rich. they used part of their wealth to spread their Ideology of Islam. they have spent billion of dollars on that. 50 year of their effort has given them blood dividend from taliban, alqaeda n isis n many others.
their main act was to eliminate all infidels which inculded Shia in their hate doctines.
These terrorist organisations have killed more non shia muslims.
As they raised serpent,they do not know who they are stinging.
Blessed ismailis i see are far away from nature's fury.
God is replying to humans upon their status of spirituality.
what is natures act is just 10% today n ten fold may be there in store.
today the water has come to level of knees. in future will come to hip n upto neck of nature's fury.
Even the greatest prophet on Earth ,when he was in crises n his life in danger. he did not call out to Allah,fallah or tallah in the SKY but to ALI on ground.( he is suppose to rehemat/grace for mankind).
So when water will be chest level. the non Haqiqatis of the world ,who are no class n entitiy in comparism with great entity.
they will no option than to cry out 'Ya ALI Madad'.
All the serpent are being eliminated all over by drones n planes of over 40 civilized country. you may be next. watch out the skies.
the cost n peril will be seen on that region with 1000 times more damage from nature forwhat they are doing to humanity in name of God.
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Reply to, Attorney General of Ali,nuseri wrote:Ya Ali Madad.
I am advocating for nizari ismailis not particular sect of Islam.
Shai n even druze's are NOT Ninizari ISMAILIS following MHI.
Most do not acknowledge our MHI, many even dislike n hate him and say many things about him.
Secetarion violence on Shia's is there from ages from last 1200 years n more.
nothing new in that.
They have been affected by politics n human act of devil and per se by act of nature.
little background info is needed.
from 1975 when petro dollar made one orthodox muslim country rich. they used part of their wealth to spread their Ideology of Islam. they have spent billion of dollars on that. 50 year of their effort has given them blood dividend from taliban, alqaeda n isis n many others.
their main act was to eliminate all infidels which inculded Shia in their hate doctines.
These terrorist organisations have killed more non shia muslims.
As they raised serpent,they do not know who they are stinging.
Blessed ismailis i see are far away from nature's fury.
God is replying to humans upon their status of spirituality.
what is natures act is just 10% today n ten fold may be there in store.
today the water has come to level of knees. in future will come to hip n upto neck of nature's fury.
Even the greatest prophet on Earth ,when he was in crises n his life in danger. he did not call out to Allah,fallah or tallah in the SKY but to ALI on ground.( he is suppose to rehemat/grace for mankind).
So when water will be chest level. the non Haqiqatis of the world ,who are no class n entitiy in comparism with great entity.
they will no option than to cry out 'Ya ALI Madad'.
All the serpent are being eliminated all over by drones n planes of over 40 civilized country. you may be next. watch out the skies.
the cost n peril will be seen on that region with 1000 times more damage from nature forwhat they are doing to humanity in name of God.
Where were you and Ali ( He is my Mowla and every thing ), when Halagu khan massacraed burnt 70,000 Ismailis around 1256 and martyred Imam (Ali) and his family members.
Where was Ali when hundreds of Afghan Ismailis were killed by Taliban. Where was Ali, when scores of Ismailis were killed in Gilgit and Hunza area. Where was Ali when more than hundred people were killed and burned in Chitral in early 80's. Doesn't matter, if those people were Ismailis, or Shias, or common muslims, they were human beings.
The question is wrong. You could ask where was God when so many injustice were made. You have to understand the nature of creation first. We are not living in the Paradise. if God was to make everything perfect here, this would be paradise. Is that so difficult to understand.
Do a favou to yourselves, we are not interested in monkeys and serpents. Try to keep your personal dispute out of this Forum. Thanks.
Do a favou to yourselves, we are not interested in monkeys and serpents. Try to keep your personal dispute out of this Forum. Thanks.
That is the nature of history. All societies go through these phases. There is a Farman which states:junglikhan4 wrote: Reply to, Attorney General of Ali,
Where were you and Ali ( He is my Mowla and every thing ), when Halagu khan massacraed burnt 70,000 Ismailis around 1256 and martyred Imam (Ali) and his family members.
Where was Ali when hundreds of Afghan Ismailis were killed by Taliban. Where was Ali, when scores of Ismailis were killed in Gilgit and Hunza area. Where was Ali when more than hundred people were killed and burned in Chitral in early 80's. Doesn't matter, if those people were Ismailis, or Shias, or common muslims, they were human beings.
"The Imams never try to prevent the destined and natural calamities that befall upon an individual. If the Imam removes these calamities then there would be no distinction between this world and the Hereafter and this world would be paradise. You should not be saddened by worldly suffering, in fact, you should be happy about it.
You should be happy with worldly suffering because such suffering is washing away your sins and the soul gains freedom and receives salvation." (Dar es Salaam, July 13, 1945)
Do you think Hazarat Ali, Imam Hussain, Jesus and others didn't know what would happen to them?
Ya Ali Madad:
So you have openly accepted that your a cursed serpent in form of human.
You take joy in posting every ismaili impacted,hurt or killed in past ages.
you n your advisors are working on data of those line n one posting copy paste of poem in greatness of ALI to keep your survival in the forum going.
Your statement is challenging GOD.It will be replied to in your health in next few decades and wacth the darkness of eye ring going darker n darker now on n eye balls getting red
you can compare it from your photo may be 7-10 year back when you were a normal human being.
I thank Kmaherali with the beautiful farman.
We are baatin religion ,where soul of every is attached to GOD, so any unnatural death by opperesor of truth give a new body to soul as an ISMAILI again with good n better families.
In a way it was short cut promotion made by the devil in default.
there are many ayats in holy book n who truth was oppersed by tyrants n there were few families or single digit left when GOD ended those civization in matter of few hours.
All cursed if given human life ( death do come to them may at later age)
if given life ,it is worse than hell.
honestly I am not great historian of Ismaili history but read fairly of glorious fatimid Era in which we are in now again.
every ismailis have living in shadow of living imam from last 2000 years.
they all can realize thru meditition.
I can recollect my soul .I have been killed in may physical phase of life for the cause of ALI.I am living with much grater faith in HIM.In spitr of knowing me n my family life in danger for speaking openly about his status.
There have many many incident of miracles in many calamities n event,Many of tell of spiritual experience of that moment.
Some event may have happened due to curse soul being traitor to Imam or Ismailis then.
I feel ALI is with n within me all the time. that is my faith.I have saved from sure death couple of time. I cannot see but feel angels around me protecting me for they know my cause.
BTW this topic was on world today with real data of past 50 years observation and forecasting the future holistically.
Your ill intent have cunningly diverted posting to martydom of Ismailis ages back and challenging GOD/ALI.
The spell of curse is on on you,keep looking at your face n growth of redness in your eye balls. the level of hell is being stamped on your face.
A living challenge of future n not story of the past.
I do not consider my self as any animal,If any in spirit a prized stallion of ALI.
An analogy.
Ek Hanuman ki duum ne ravan ki lanka ko khaak kar diya.
Teri to zindagi ab see khaak ho gaye hai.use jalane ki zaroorat bhi nahi
BTW Ali was with every Ismaili soul to bless them with new body for their next phase of life.Ismailis takes death smilingly and are assured of ( behest) salvation as said by imam SMS in his farman.
So you have openly accepted that your a cursed serpent in form of human.
You take joy in posting every ismaili impacted,hurt or killed in past ages.
you n your advisors are working on data of those line n one posting copy paste of poem in greatness of ALI to keep your survival in the forum going.
Your statement is challenging GOD.It will be replied to in your health in next few decades and wacth the darkness of eye ring going darker n darker now on n eye balls getting red
you can compare it from your photo may be 7-10 year back when you were a normal human being.
I thank Kmaherali with the beautiful farman.
We are baatin religion ,where soul of every is attached to GOD, so any unnatural death by opperesor of truth give a new body to soul as an ISMAILI again with good n better families.
In a way it was short cut promotion made by the devil in default.
there are many ayats in holy book n who truth was oppersed by tyrants n there were few families or single digit left when GOD ended those civization in matter of few hours.
All cursed if given human life ( death do come to them may at later age)
if given life ,it is worse than hell.
honestly I am not great historian of Ismaili history but read fairly of glorious fatimid Era in which we are in now again.
every ismailis have living in shadow of living imam from last 2000 years.
they all can realize thru meditition.
I can recollect my soul .I have been killed in may physical phase of life for the cause of ALI.I am living with much grater faith in HIM.In spitr of knowing me n my family life in danger for speaking openly about his status.
There have many many incident of miracles in many calamities n event,Many of tell of spiritual experience of that moment.
Some event may have happened due to curse soul being traitor to Imam or Ismailis then.
I feel ALI is with n within me all the time. that is my faith.I have saved from sure death couple of time. I cannot see but feel angels around me protecting me for they know my cause.
BTW this topic was on world today with real data of past 50 years observation and forecasting the future holistically.
Your ill intent have cunningly diverted posting to martydom of Ismailis ages back and challenging GOD/ALI.
The spell of curse is on on you,keep looking at your face n growth of redness in your eye balls. the level of hell is being stamped on your face.
A living challenge of future n not story of the past.
I do not consider my self as any animal,If any in spirit a prized stallion of ALI.
An analogy.
Ek Hanuman ki duum ne ravan ki lanka ko khaak kar diya.
Teri to zindagi ab see khaak ho gaye hai.use jalane ki zaroorat bhi nahi
BTW Ali was with every Ismaili soul to bless them with new body for their next phase of life.Ismailis takes death smilingly and are assured of ( behest) salvation as said by imam SMS in his farman.
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Reply,Admin wrote:The question is wrong. You could ask where was God when so many injustice were made. You have to understand the nature of creation first. We are not living in the Paradise. if God was to make everything perfect here, this would be paradise. Is that so difficult to understand.
Do a favou to yourselves, we are not interested in monkeys and serpents. Try to keep your personal dispute out of this Forum. Thanks.
Because you people say Ali is Allah/God, so in this context my question is right.
So where was ALI Allah according to my question. You wrote," If God/Ali was to make every thing perfect here..."So you confirm that destruction and killing is according to God's plan, therefore he did not show up for help.
You keep advising me not to quote monkey, what about other person? You keep the word serpent alive in his posts and editing mine. May be he is near and dear to you. HUM BHI PAREY HAI(N) RAHU(N) MEY.
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Reply,kmaherali wrote:That is the nature of history. All societies go through these phases. There is a Farman which states:junglikhan4 wrote: Reply to, Attorney General of Ali,
Where were you and Ali ( He is my Mowla and every thing ), when Halagu khan massacraed burnt 70,000 Ismailis around 1256 and martyred Imam (Ali) and his family members.
Where was Ali when hundreds of Afghan Ismailis were killed by Taliban. Where was Ali, when scores of Ismailis were killed in Gilgit and Hunza area. Where was Ali when more than hundred people were killed and burned in Chitral in early 80's. Doesn't matter, if those people were Ismailis, or Shias, or common muslims, they were human beings.
"The Imams never try to prevent the destined and natural calamities that befall upon an individual. If the Imam removes these calamities then there would be no distinction between this world and the Hereafter and this world would be paradise. You should not be saddened by worldly suffering, in fact, you should be happy about it.
You should be happy with worldly suffering because such suffering is washing away your sins and the soul gains freedom and receives salvation." (Dar es Salaam, July 13, 1945)
Do you think Hazarat Ali, Imam Hussain, Jesus and others didn't know what would happen to them?
There is difference between a man made calamities and natural calamities.
When there are calamities we rush to khane and pray YA ALI TU FAZAL KAR YA MOWLA TU RAHAM KAR AND START SATARAS. If they are destined calamities as you mentioned then there is no need of tasbih because these calamities were written in the book of Ali.
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Reply,kmaherali wrote:That is the nature of history. All societies go through these phases. There is a Farman which states:junglikhan4 wrote: Reply to, Attorney General of Ali,
Where were you and Ali ( He is my Mowla and every thing ), when Halagu khan massacraed burnt 70,000 Ismailis around 1256 and martyred Imam (Ali) and his family members.
Where was Ali when hundreds of Afghan Ismailis were killed by Taliban. Where was Ali, when scores of Ismailis were killed in Gilgit and Hunza area. Where was Ali when more than hundred people were killed and burned in Chitral in early 80's. Doesn't matter, if those people were Ismailis, or Shias, or common muslims, they were human beings.
"The Imams never try to prevent the destined and natural calamities that befall upon an individual. If the Imam removes these calamities then there would be no distinction between this world and the Hereafter and this world would be paradise. You should not be saddened by worldly suffering, in fact, you should be happy about it.
You should be happy with worldly suffering because such suffering is washing away your sins and the soul gains freedom and receives salvation." (Dar es Salaam, July 13, 1945)
Do you think Hazarat Ali, Imam Hussain, Jesus and others didn't know what would happen to them?
If they were Gods, they should have prevented events to happen.
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Reply,agakhani wrote: Which imams are you talking about? current imam or previous imams as well too?
There is a reasons to ask this question! First answer me which imams farman you believes?
I do not understand in which context you are asking this question, may be your trick to trap me.
I believe in farmans of HAZAR IMAM. In our philosophy Imam is for ever Imam and we call him Ali. Imams kept changing the farmans according to time, environment and conditions of world or countries.Let me quote A farman of MSMS. He said," My farmans in years to come will be quite different from the present ones.The whole world will change.Therefore you should obey the farmans of the Imam of the time. As the time changes so do farmans change." ( pl. don't say this farman is fake or twisted)
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Reply,Admin wrote:Please give us YOUR explanation of why Allah does not protect the world from calamities? Thank you.junglikhan4 wrote: If they were Gods, they should have prevented events to happen.
There are two types of calamities, one natural and other men made. The natural disasters are from Allah and there is no human hand in it, therefore humans are not responsible for those calamities. The men made calamities are because of the free will and action given by God. Because of human beings these fall under religious fighting, lust of power, wealth, I/WE are supreme others are slaves. Greed, arrogance, control of the trade routes, control the land and water channels.
Control of gas/petrol fields, national interests and so on. For this people and nations are killing each other and victims are children, women, elderly, handicapped, saints, pirs and righteous persons. The culprits will have to pay price for cruel activities in this world and other.
According to MSMS in his memoirs, everything happens through the will God:junglikhan4 wrote:There are two types of calamities, one natural and other men made. The natural disasters are from Allah and there is no human hand in it, therefore humans are not responsible for those calamities. The men made calamities are because of the free will and action given by God. Because of human beings these fall under religious fighting, lust of power, wealth, I/WE are supreme others are slaves. Greed, arrogance, control of the trade routes, control the land and water channels.
Control of gas/petrol fields, national interests and so n. For this people and nations are killing each other and victims are children, women, elderly, handicapped, saints, pirs and righteous persons. The culprits will have to pay price for cruel activities in this world and other.
"The creation according to Islam is not a unique act in a given time but a perpetual and constant event; and God supports and sustains all existence at every moment by His will and His thought. Outside His will, outside His thought, all is nothing, even the things which seem to us absolutely self-evident such as space and time. Allah alone wishes: the Universe exists; and all manifestations are as a witness of the Divine will."
Hence the notion of freewill is limited at best:
MSMS also says:
"In Islam the Faithful believe in Divine justice and are convinced that the solution of the great problem of predestination and free will is to be found in the compromise that God knows what man is going to do, but that man is free to do it or not."
Hence everything is encompassed in the will and knowledge of God.
For more on this subject you may want to go to:
Pre-destined or choice?
http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... 95&start=0
Therefore all the experiences and events are also ultimately the expression of Allahs will, whether they are perceived as calamity or security. Also it must be understood that the perception is subjective, to one person the event may appear as a calamity, whereas to another it could be a mercy or a triumph. When Mansur al-Hallaj was about to be hanged, he laughed violently! For him it was the means to fanna fi Allah.
There is a Ginanic verse:
ejee dukh ne sukh doi hazarat leekhee yaare peeyaa
so dosh keeseeku(n) na deejere - maher baan mere.............9
Calamities and peace are both preordained by the Imaam O Beloved.
So do not blame anyone for your misfortunes.
http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/23177
Hence Imam Husein if he willed he could have prevented Karbala, but he decided best that it happened.
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Reply,kmaherali wrote:According to MSMS in his memoirs, everything happens through the will God:junglikhan4 wrote:There are two types of calamities, one natural and other men made. The natural disasters are from Allah and there is no human hand in it, therefore humans are not responsible for those calamities. The men made calamities are because of the free will and action given by God. Because of human beings these fall under religious fighting, lust of power, wealth, I/WE are supreme others are slaves. Greed, arrogance, control of the trade routes, control the land and water channels.
Control of gas/petrol fields, national interests and so n. For this people and nations are killing each other and victims are children, women, elderly, handicapped, saints, pirs and righteous persons. The culprits will have to pay price for cruel activities in this world and other.
"The creation according to Islam is not a unique act in a given time but a perpetual and constant event; and God supports and sustains all existence at every moment by His will and His thought. Outside His will, outside His thought, all is nothing, even the things which seem to us absolutely self-evident such as space and time. Allah alone wishes: the Universe exists; and all manifestations are as a witness of the Divine will."
Hence the notion of freewill is limited at best:
MSMS also says:
"In Islam the Faithful believe in Divine justice and are convinced that the solution of the great problem of predestination and free will is to be found in the compromise that God knows what man is going to do, but that man is free to do it or not."
Hence everything is encompassed in the will and knowledge of God.
For more on this subject you may want to go to:
Pre-destined or choice?
http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... 95&start=0
Therefore all the experiences and events are also ultimately the expression of Allahs will, whether they are perceived as calamity or security. Also it must be understood that the perception is subjective, to one person the event may appear as a calamity, whereas to another it could be a mercy or a triumph. When Mansur al-Hallaj was about to be hanged, he laughed violently! For him it was the means to fanna fi Allah.
There is a Ginanic verse:
ejee dukh ne sukh doi hazarat leekhee yaare peeyaa
so dosh keeseeku(n) na deejere - maher baan mere.............9
Calamities and peace are both preordained by the Imaam O Beloved.
So do not blame anyone for your misfortunes.
http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/23177
Hence Imam Husein if he willed he could have prevented Karbala, but he decided best that it happened.
According to statements of MSMS and the ginan you quoted; Why are we cursing, Caliphs, Abu jahal, Mu'awiya, Yazid, Hitler, Massullini, Sadam, Usama, Mullah umar, and so. It is a long list of tyrants history mentioned.
Every cruel action was according to will of God and is justified!!
junglikhan4 wrote:
Every cruel action was according to will of God and is justified!!
This subject of fatalism, pre-destination or free will should be discussed in http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... 95&start=0
It should not be discussed here.
Ya Ali Madad:
What was the topic heading n where is got diverted.
In Quran it is mention that stars connection to angels.They are connected to spiritual management.( not directly written like that).
Star play a role is management of human soul thru jinns n angels.
one has to read nasir khusraw/corbin n other who wrote astronomy,Cosmolgy ,which may also be a part Astrology.
in 2014. non religious n atheist population was 37%,
By mid 2015 it can near 40 % even.
Out of these 40% and 60 % religious there are 70% good souls and 30% souls who changed their way from GOD.
( even non religious n atheist may have good souls and religious may have bad souls such as radical shariatis) .
An Article in newspaper reported that 30% of stars have changed their course.( google it).
It is not easy easy to tell cosmoliogical connection of ALI.
Shais do believe that pole star n big dipper represent Ahle bayt.( that is belief worth exploring) I will give my findings in future.
Kmaherali just reposte Qiam al Qiam
If one is a scholar , must study the constellation placement of stars n planet on that day n day H.ALI said Khutba E Bayan also that Day.
Same placement can come in future.
Goodness on Earth is still 90% and evil is moving up fast in double digit speed.
Earth n it population has a price to pay when balance n ration is not acceptable to GOD.
Core Shariati countries are blazing at 50 degrees C PLUS temprature not rehmat but aafat) . heat wave of just one week n If no electricity
is there for few days.It can bring down 20% of the population in those area.
Send serpent there to pray namaz for them.
AAGE AAGE DEKHO HOTA HAI KYA.
What was the topic heading n where is got diverted.
In Quran it is mention that stars connection to angels.They are connected to spiritual management.( not directly written like that).
Star play a role is management of human soul thru jinns n angels.
one has to read nasir khusraw/corbin n other who wrote astronomy,Cosmolgy ,which may also be a part Astrology.
in 2014. non religious n atheist population was 37%,
By mid 2015 it can near 40 % even.
Out of these 40% and 60 % religious there are 70% good souls and 30% souls who changed their way from GOD.
( even non religious n atheist may have good souls and religious may have bad souls such as radical shariatis) .
An Article in newspaper reported that 30% of stars have changed their course.( google it).
It is not easy easy to tell cosmoliogical connection of ALI.
Shais do believe that pole star n big dipper represent Ahle bayt.( that is belief worth exploring) I will give my findings in future.
Kmaherali just reposte Qiam al Qiam
If one is a scholar , must study the constellation placement of stars n planet on that day n day H.ALI said Khutba E Bayan also that Day.
Same placement can come in future.
Goodness on Earth is still 90% and evil is moving up fast in double digit speed.
Earth n it population has a price to pay when balance n ration is not acceptable to GOD.
Core Shariati countries are blazing at 50 degrees C PLUS temprature not rehmat but aafat) . heat wave of just one week n If no electricity
is there for few days.It can bring down 20% of the population in those area.
Send serpent there to pray namaz for them.
AAGE AAGE DEKHO HOTA HAI KYA.
Ya Ali Madad:
there is an Ayat in Quran which say majority does not mean truth.
there is an Ayat .we raised them blind. A famous lady has said.
"Having sight without vision is worse than being blind."
So to FOLLOW THE TRUTH ,it is crusade n not smooth sailing with hardships
along the way.the failure rate is 99%.
as I have heard it.I may be in correct.MHI in a conference around 1970 period in Nairobi of then Ismailia Association.
he said 'IF WE ISMAILIS ARE UNITED WE CAN RULE THE WORLD".
he then gave example of jews forming less than 10% population of USA,a country which is defacto ruling the world in many parameters.Jew with their intellect control the banking (wealth) n beurocracy( administration), thru Intellect n unity amongst them,who ever may be president of the country.They are 30 million of them in the world.We will be nearing that.
Looking at present stature of MHI n Future of Ismailis. I believe he could have added World n Universe as heaven up will also move with Ruhani strength of united Ismailis in years ahead.
The 1% will grow with one name n believing some ground reality of truth n event to happen in future.
We will with our unity,Intellect n Rock solid Imaan will Inshallah Impress,
Enlighten,lead, n prevail upon on those who may not be believing in ALI
in that period.
there is an Ayat in Quran which say majority does not mean truth.
there is an Ayat .we raised them blind. A famous lady has said.
"Having sight without vision is worse than being blind."
So to FOLLOW THE TRUTH ,it is crusade n not smooth sailing with hardships
along the way.the failure rate is 99%.
as I have heard it.I may be in correct.MHI in a conference around 1970 period in Nairobi of then Ismailia Association.
he said 'IF WE ISMAILIS ARE UNITED WE CAN RULE THE WORLD".
he then gave example of jews forming less than 10% population of USA,a country which is defacto ruling the world in many parameters.Jew with their intellect control the banking (wealth) n beurocracy( administration), thru Intellect n unity amongst them,who ever may be president of the country.They are 30 million of them in the world.We will be nearing that.
Looking at present stature of MHI n Future of Ismailis. I believe he could have added World n Universe as heaven up will also move with Ruhani strength of united Ismailis in years ahead.
The 1% will grow with one name n believing some ground reality of truth n event to happen in future.
We will with our unity,Intellect n Rock solid Imaan will Inshallah Impress,
Enlighten,lead, n prevail upon on those who may not be believing in ALI
in that period.
Ya Ali Madad:
I had written earlier that one oil rich country will become from donor to borrower and later aid seeker(beggar) 50 years from 1975. I thought of 10 year.
Just saw the new on TV that Saudi Arabia for first time in history are raising 5 billion $ debt today ,which go to $27 billion by the year end.Their external reserves may dry up in 12 years time
History has has shown many rich oil field going dry all of a sudden with soil,water,sulpfer ingress underground, which even baffles the geologist
A report made by US intelligence that root cause of Taliban,Al qaida and ISIS was from ethics n culture taught in madrasas in those countries with wahabi syllabus financed by the oil rich country from last 40 years.
It was simply overdose of Rituals( with hatred n jihad) ,none of Islamic Ethics and no sign of secular education (like English,maths, science etc) for them to worthy enough to live decent moral life.
what did it produce a living killing machine, a human bomb so much radicalized ready to do anything in name of their GOD.
EVERY ACT HAS PRICE TO PAY MAY B FEW GENERATIONS LATE.
JAISE KARNI WAISE BHARNI.
Calamities,N geopolitical equation change are moving so rapidly.
Only one living entity n community can be savior, time will prove that.
I had written earlier that one oil rich country will become from donor to borrower and later aid seeker(beggar) 50 years from 1975. I thought of 10 year.
Just saw the new on TV that Saudi Arabia for first time in history are raising 5 billion $ debt today ,which go to $27 billion by the year end.Their external reserves may dry up in 12 years time
History has has shown many rich oil field going dry all of a sudden with soil,water,sulpfer ingress underground, which even baffles the geologist
A report made by US intelligence that root cause of Taliban,Al qaida and ISIS was from ethics n culture taught in madrasas in those countries with wahabi syllabus financed by the oil rich country from last 40 years.
It was simply overdose of Rituals( with hatred n jihad) ,none of Islamic Ethics and no sign of secular education (like English,maths, science etc) for them to worthy enough to live decent moral life.
what did it produce a living killing machine, a human bomb so much radicalized ready to do anything in name of their GOD.
EVERY ACT HAS PRICE TO PAY MAY B FEW GENERATIONS LATE.
JAISE KARNI WAISE BHARNI.
Calamities,N geopolitical equation change are moving so rapidly.
Only one living entity n community can be savior, time will prove that.