Nostradamus wrote more than 6,000 prophesies. At a time where the world though that Ismailis were decimated by the Mongols, he made a clear distinctions between Muslims in generals and Ismailis. Many of his prophesies refer to Ismailis and our Imam.
This thread is to bring to light his prophesies specific to Ismailis and our Imams.
Nostradamus was rewriting in parables and hidden symbols. So this discussion will have to be tolerant and accept all kind of interpretations by all kind of people.
Nostradamus, Michel de Nostredame (1503-1566)
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Subject: Fwd: Prophecy of Nostradamus on Aga Khan?
Back in mid eighties I got fascinated with the prophecies
of Nostradamus. While reading his book “Les Propheties”
I came across this verse that immediately caught my
attention:
Grand Ismaël mettra son promontoire,
Ranes trembler secours Lusitanie
English translation that I recall reading back then:
Great son of Ismael will rise with the aid from
Portugal (Roman province of Lusitanie is the present day
Portugal)
Basically coming from a deeply religious Ismaili
background I started associating the “Great son of
Ismael” with Hazar Imam. However, I couldn’t see any
connection between Hazar Imam and Portugal. I remember
playing with this idea that perhaps in some distant future
an Ismaili Imam will emerge from Portugal.
Anyway, as I started maturing into adulthood, my interest
in Nostradamus started to fade. The memory of this specific
prophecy slowly moved from conscious to my subconscious
mind. I didn’t think much about it for more than a
decade.
And then I read something that aroused my interest once
again. The memory of this prophecy popped up from the
subconscious back to my conscious mind:
“The Ismaili Imamat and the government of Portugal had
established formal diplomatic relationship”. This was a
huge leap! It was unprecedented in modern history for an
Ismaili Imamat, which in effect is a religious institution,
to establish ambassadorial level relationship with a
country. Portugal thus became trail blazer in the western
world to offer such a working environment to the institution
of Imamat.
I once again started debating if Nostradamus was really
talking about the emergence of Ismaili Imam from Portugal?
After all, these prophecies are always so vague. Although
not fully convinced, I certainly would think about this
prophecy whenever I heard about Nostradamus. Likewise, any
news regarding Hazar Imam’s visit to Portugal will remind
me of Nostradamus as well. Still, the establishment of
diplomatic relationship between Imamat and Portugal was not
strong enough reason to give me the “Wow Effect”.
Then the news this week just hit me like a lightning
bolt:
“The global seat of Ismaili Imamat will move to
Portugal”
Wow, perhaps Nostradamus was indeed talking about the
establishment of Ismaili Imamat in Portugal!
These prophecies are always blurred; with multiple
interpretations we usually take them with a grain of salt.
However, my decade’s long journey of watching this
prophecy unfold in my mind gives a perspective which perhaps
is interestingly intriguing!
Ya Ali Madad
Akbar Pirani
Subject: Fwd: Prophecy of Nostradamus on Aga Khan?
Back in mid eighties I got fascinated with the prophecies
of Nostradamus. While reading his book “Les Propheties”
I came across this verse that immediately caught my
attention:
Grand Ismaël mettra son promontoire,
Ranes trembler secours Lusitanie
English translation that I recall reading back then:
Great son of Ismael will rise with the aid from
Portugal (Roman province of Lusitanie is the present day
Portugal)
Basically coming from a deeply religious Ismaili
background I started associating the “Great son of
Ismael” with Hazar Imam. However, I couldn’t see any
connection between Hazar Imam and Portugal. I remember
playing with this idea that perhaps in some distant future
an Ismaili Imam will emerge from Portugal.
Anyway, as I started maturing into adulthood, my interest
in Nostradamus started to fade. The memory of this specific
prophecy slowly moved from conscious to my subconscious
mind. I didn’t think much about it for more than a
decade.
And then I read something that aroused my interest once
again. The memory of this prophecy popped up from the
subconscious back to my conscious mind:
“The Ismaili Imamat and the government of Portugal had
established formal diplomatic relationship”. This was a
huge leap! It was unprecedented in modern history for an
Ismaili Imamat, which in effect is a religious institution,
to establish ambassadorial level relationship with a
country. Portugal thus became trail blazer in the western
world to offer such a working environment to the institution
of Imamat.
I once again started debating if Nostradamus was really
talking about the emergence of Ismaili Imam from Portugal?
After all, these prophecies are always so vague. Although
not fully convinced, I certainly would think about this
prophecy whenever I heard about Nostradamus. Likewise, any
news regarding Hazar Imam’s visit to Portugal will remind
me of Nostradamus as well. Still, the establishment of
diplomatic relationship between Imamat and Portugal was not
strong enough reason to give me the “Wow Effect”.
Then the news this week just hit me like a lightning
bolt:
“The global seat of Ismaili Imamat will move to
Portugal”
Wow, perhaps Nostradamus was indeed talking about the
establishment of Ismaili Imamat in Portugal!
These prophecies are always blurred; with multiple
interpretations we usually take them with a grain of salt.
However, my decade’s long journey of watching this
prophecy unfold in my mind gives a perspective which perhaps
is interestingly intriguing!
Ya Ali Madad
Akbar Pirani
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There are many ginans on war between devil and our imams available.
In all ginans all pir has quoted
"PACCHAM (WEST) thi Shah maro Aavshe/Chadse!
Paccham thi Shah na dal Aavshe ane Jmpu te dip minjariya ji.
Shah maro dera dalshe Mulastan. E.t.c.
Glossary:
Paccham ; Pachim, west.
Jampudwip ; Indo/Pak area.
Dera; will stop at.
Mulastan : Multan
Minjar : in.
Portugal is also in west of Indo/Pak so it is possible but Zahoorat is still a century away, in this 100 years many things will be changed and may be Imamat HQ too!
My thinking is Imamat HQ in Portugal may be for short period of time! Soon or latter Imamat HQ will be shifted in Canada and Canada will be HQ during zahoorat.
You can email me or give me your email so I can send some detail information on zahoorat on base of our ginanic literature and predictions of our pirs.
In all ginans all pir has quoted
"PACCHAM (WEST) thi Shah maro Aavshe/Chadse!
Paccham thi Shah na dal Aavshe ane Jmpu te dip minjariya ji.
Shah maro dera dalshe Mulastan. E.t.c.
Glossary:
Paccham ; Pachim, west.
Jampudwip ; Indo/Pak area.
Dera; will stop at.
Mulastan : Multan
Minjar : in.
Portugal is also in west of Indo/Pak so it is possible but Zahoorat is still a century away, in this 100 years many things will be changed and may be Imamat HQ too!
My thinking is Imamat HQ in Portugal may be for short period of time! Soon or latter Imamat HQ will be shifted in Canada and Canada will be HQ during zahoorat.
You can email me or give me your email so I can send some detail information on zahoorat on base of our ginanic literature and predictions of our pirs.
Sultanali Nazarali Missionary told me this:
When Imam opened the Burnaby JK, Imam asked him what were his thoughts...
He said Khudawand "Utar Khand mahe jiot jagewa....."
Hazar Imam said yes but do not forget, Utar Khand is also Europe...
Personally heard from the Missionary, not through someone.
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When Imam opened the Burnaby JK, Imam asked him what were his thoughts...
He said Khudawand "Utar Khand mahe jiot jagewa....."
Hazar Imam said yes but do not forget, Utar Khand is also Europe...
Personally heard from the Missionary, not through someone.
Admin
PS; This is a section reserved to Nostradamus. For other prophesies, please post in appropriate sections.
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agakhani_1
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I asked same missionary Sultan Ali, following question in Houston, Texas
What is the future of Ismailis in North America? including USA and Canada?
he answered me holding my left arm in his hand that : UTTARE KHANDE DIVA BALSHE" means western countries will be full filled with Ismailis!! and may be center of Imamat!!!.
Right now, I can not recall exact year but I thing it was after 1984 or 1985 but after that President Ronald Reagan passed an "Amnesty laws" and with help of this laws many Ismailis became USA citizens and I am one of them.
Now back to the Nostradamus prophecy below are some hints which predicted by him:
1, With help of Russia and China Muslim leader will be start crusade against devils people ( most likely China)
2, Middle East will be rule over over the world.
3, One Muslim leader from Middle East will rise and he will battle with ......?
wait more to come
What is the future of Ismailis in North America? including USA and Canada?
he answered me holding my left arm in his hand that : UTTARE KHANDE DIVA BALSHE" means western countries will be full filled with Ismailis!! and may be center of Imamat!!!.
Right now, I can not recall exact year but I thing it was after 1984 or 1985 but after that President Ronald Reagan passed an "Amnesty laws" and with help of this laws many Ismailis became USA citizens and I am one of them.
Now back to the Nostradamus prophecy below are some hints which predicted by him:
1, With help of Russia and China Muslim leader will be start crusade against devils people ( most likely China)
2, Middle East will be rule over over the world.
3, One Muslim leader from Middle East will rise and he will battle with ......?
wait more to come
Ya Ali madad.
for future era, one must study the Fatimid era very closely n dates related to it.
it is true with 30% of world population going non religious.the law n reply of nature is massive earth quake n natural disaster in great magnitude n frequencies.e
I am scared of nature's fury when 50% of world population become non religious in few decades.
The rise of ALI n shake up call to earth may go in tandem,One has to observe it closely.
for future era, one must study the Fatimid era very closely n dates related to it.
it is true with 30% of world population going non religious.the law n reply of nature is massive earth quake n natural disaster in great magnitude n frequencies.e
I am scared of nature's fury when 50% of world population become non religious in few decades.
The rise of ALI n shake up call to earth may go in tandem,One has to observe it closely.
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