Zahuraat Zahoorat

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:23 am

By the way our Pirs introduced Shah Islam Shah and following Imams as NAKLANKI, so in other words Daeit Kalingo is destroyed long ago by Naklanki, if you are looking for some other Kalingo than look into mirror you will find there.

Stop your wrong meaning on "Daint Kalinga" and spread wrong meaning on ginans and pirs.
Daint Kalinga has not been killed yet but in next century he will killed by Ismaili's 51st Imam, the name of Imam, the day, time and place when he will be killed!! has been also mentioned in various ginans, so stop making wrong meaning and interpretation on ginans as per your old habits?

ismaili103 · Post by **ismaili103** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:43 am

mazhar wrote:To Aghakhani,
With ref. to your post dated April 15, 2015, can you mention the name of 51st Imam who will kill Daet Kalingo with day, date, year, and place as you claimed in your post.

YAM,

mazhar, everything had already discussed in topic of ZAHOORAT. Go and search in it, if you still cant find let us know, I will give you all the answers.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:45 am

To Aghakhani,
With ref. to your post dated April 15, 2015, can you mention the name of 51st Imam who will kill Daet Kalingo with day, date, year, and place as you claimed in your post.

Who am I? to claim any future prediction! but it is claimed and predicted by pirs! you can find more information in "Zahoorat" thread where you can find day, date, year and name of 51st Imam.

tret · Post by **tret** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:28 pm

A very insightful 2-part article about Qiyamah from Ismaili prespective:

http://ismailignosis.com/2012/12/24/eso ... ld-part-1/
http://ismailignosis.com/2012/12/24/eso ... ld-part-2/

tret · Post by **tret** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:22 pm

Mr-Forget,

Did you actually read the articles? The second part of the article explains "Night of Power", which is the Hujjat of Qaim.
Qaim [or Subbat] is from the decendent of the Prophet's Ahl-e-Bayt and one of the Imams.

MR-FORGET · Post by **MR-FORGET** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:32 pm

Mr.Tret,
Does day of Qayama and day of Zahoorat are both same day?
I heard Twelvers are awaiting for their imam Mehdi to come back but I do not know to whom Ismailis are waiting for to come back?
I don't think their imam can come back after 1000 years

but I read many times that they are keeping one horse ready all the time right on the cave where Mehdi was disappeared thinking , may be imam Mehdi show up all of sudden! and he may need horse for his ride.
But what about you Ismailis , whom do you waiting for? You always boast that your imam is so and so. So why you peoples also waiting for somebody?

tret · Post by **tret** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:19 pm

MR-FORGET wrote:Mr.Tret,
Does day of Qayama and day of Zahoorat are both same day?
I heard Twelvers are awaiting for their imam Mehdi to come back but I do not know to whom Ismailis are waiting for to come back?
I don't think their imam can come back after 1000 years but I read many times that they are keeping one horse ready all the time right on the cave where Mehdi was disappeared thinking , may be imam Mehdi show up all of sudden! and he may need horse for his ride.
But what about you Ismailis , whom do you waiting for? You always boast that your imam is so and so. So why you peoples also waiting for somebody?

Before you even asking your question, I provided you the answer. Please read my previous reply again. This time, carefully.

MR-FORGET · Post by **MR-FORGET** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:23 pm

Mr. tret,
Thanks for the reply and I read that but I have question whoes imams from Ahlebet family and whose imams are not?
Twelvers claim that their imams are from ahlebetf family and ismailis imams are not,
What is your opinion?
Why Ismailis have,interest in Zahoorat? when their imams can not prove that they are from Ahlebet family.

tret · Post by **tret** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:40 pm

MR-FORGET wrote:Mr. tret,
Thanks for the reply and I read that but I have question whoes imams from Ahlebet family and whose imams are not?
Twelvers claim that their imams are from ahlebetf family and ismailis imams are not,
What is your opinion?
Why Ismailis have,interest in Zahoorat? when their imams can not prove that they are from Ahlebet family.

Mr-Forget,

Legitimate Imam is a) by appointment [of previous Imam of the time] and b) by nass. In the past many have claimed to be legitimate Imam; however, history witnessed that any illegitimate claims shall not last as we can see their lineage discontinued. According to Ismaili theology and belief, presence of Imam of the Time is very essential to the well-being and Being of the universe and humanity. So, if the Imam of the Time is not present [or is ghahib], then it is not The Imam.

I believe you must be thinking that Twelvers claim their Imam is legitimate, and while Ismailis claim theirs. For that, please read this article where logical proof and arguments prove who was the Imam after Imam Jafar-i-Sadiq.

http://ismailignosis.com/2014/10/02/who ... ibn-jafar/

When I said Qaim [Subbat] shall be from the Ahl-e-Bayt of the Prophet, I meant from the progeny of H Ali and one of the Imam of the time. So, Ismailis are not waiting for the Qaim in the sense that Twelvers do. For Ismailis, the Qaim shall be one of the Imam of the Time [Or I should say the Last Imam of the Time].

Why this is important? Well, if you read carefully the article I posted, you will see the significance of Qiamah [Day of Resurrection] and Nigh of Power.

Which kind of prove are you looking for? a DNA test? some sort of miracle?

I hope this helps

tret · Post by **tret** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:59 pm

fayaz006 wrote: I think we arguing about symantics. Let me give you an example of zznoor. I can make an argument that she has half knowledge about Islam. Only superficial knowlege and no idea about the diversity within the religion let alone diversity within humanity. Lets say a person like zznoor becomes the prime minister of Pakistan. Next thing you know we are declaring Ahmadis to be non muslims on our passports. A case of half knowledge leading to sever persecution of a minority.

Again, the context becomes politic. Anyways, There's no benefit to pursue this topic and whether we like it or not, both half-knowledge and half-truth are damaging proportionally. But, in the context which some members are using this expression -- in these virtual spaces -- it's more appropriate to use "half-truth is dangerous". We can let it go and leave it at that, please.

fayaz006 wrote: I do have a question on the article that you posted. Our Imams have equated Imam Hasan to the Pirs. However the article takes the premise that Hazrat Hassan to be counted as one of the Imams and therefore Imam Sultan Mohmamad Shah to be the Imam before the Qaim. If that assumption is incorrect that would mean that Imam Shah Karim to be the Imam before the Qaim.

Also Imam Alā Dhikrihi's Salām declared Qiyama.

Please note, Twelvers consider Imam Hasan to be the Imam [Mustaqar]; however, according to Ismailis Imam Hasan is the Imam Mustawda3 [Trustee Imam] and not Imam-e-Mustaqar.

According to Ismaili theology and Doctrine, Qiyamah can happen on many levels. What this article tends to explain is the Great Cycle of Resurrection or Day of Resurrection.

fayaz006 · Post by **fayaz006** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:41 pm

tret wrote:
Please note, Twelvers consider Imam Hasan to be the Imam [Mustaqar]; however, according to Ismailis Imam Hasan is the Imam Mustawda3 [Trustee Imam] and not Imam-e-Mustaqar.

According to Ismaili theology and Doctrine, Qiyamah can happen on many levels. What this article tends to explain is the Great Cycle of Resurrection or Day of Resurrection.

Interesting and very informative article however i must say i donot have enough knowledge on Imam Mustaqar vs Mustawda. And I agree with what you have posted above.

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:42 am

MR-FORGET wrote: I don't think their imam can come back after 1000 years but I read many times that they are keeping one horse ready all the time right on the cave where Mehdi was disappeared thinking , may be imam Mehdi show up all of sudden! and he may need horse for his ride.
But what about you Ismailis , whom do you waiting for? You always boast that your imam is so and so. So why you peoples also waiting for somebody?

In my opinion Ismailis do not pay a great deal of attention about the future Qaim or Mahdi because they have the everpresent living Imam. There has been extensive discussion on this matter at:

Hazar Imam to manifest as "The Mahdi" for other Sh
http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... 74&start=0

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:46 am

fayaz006 wrote:Interesting and very informative article however i must say i donot have enough knowledge on Imam Mustaqar vs Mustawda. And I agree with what you have posted above.

This might help.

Pir or Mustawda Imam
http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... 29&start=0

tret · Post by **tret** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:08 pm

kmaherali wrote:In my opinion Ismailis do not pay a great deal of attention about the future Qaim

The entire creation is awaiting Qaim; I am not sure why do you say that Ismailis do not pay attention? The purpose of creation is Qaim. That's when the Universal Soul attain perfection and returns to its origin. That's the Day of reckon and judgement.

It's fair to say that Ismailis don't await the return of Qaim, as twelvers do. Because, we don't believe in disappearance of the Imam.

Post by **Admin** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:02 am

We have a living Imam. Yes we are not waiting for the return of a hidden Imam.

But it is also true that we are all waiting for the day when our Imam will manifest himself to the whole creation, including to those living on this planet and we hope and pray for all of the souls of that time to be able to have His Vision. For me that will be the day of zahurat.

Imam Ali Shah has made a Farman to present some of the events that will precede the Zahurat and looking at what is going on today, there will be a massacre of 40,000 Mullas between Mecca and Medina, symbolically Shariah will have its head cut to pave the way for a pure spiritual Islam..

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:51 pm

tret wrote:The entire creation is awaiting Qaim; I am not sure why do you say that Ismailis do not pay attention? The purpose of creation is Qaim. That's when the Universal Soul attain perfection and returns to its origin. That's the Day of reckon and judgement.

Are these your personal views or did you get it from a Fatimid dai?

Prince Sadruddin in one of his speeches mentions the harm it does to hold 'end of the world' doomsday views and doctrines:

"Creation is sacred. Life and nature need not be exploited to instill fear in our hearts. For the Hindus, we have entered the Kali Yuga, the dark age, while St. John's Apocalypse evokes the divine judgement for human sins through his vision of the final destruction of the earth. Though there is cause for apocalyptic rhetoric in the chemical and radioactive pollution of soil and water and the depletion of the ozone layer, the problem with cyclical or terminal Apocalypses is that they deeply imprint the mind with negative and destructive behaviour patterns. One is escapism: "God will judge, but we are the faithful who will escape. And really this isn't our home, anyway, since heaven is our kingdom". There is an "us/them" dilemma here, with a judgement on the others. What we need to do is formulate a language that draws people back into community and responsibility. [/b]Apocalyptic visions point the other way."(Spirituality & Science, The need for togetherness, Speech by Prince Sadruddin Aga Khan, President of the Bellerive Foundation, Symposium on Trade, Environment and Animal Welfare.
The European Parliament, Brussels, 26-27 September 1996)

There has been extensive discussion on this subject at:
Daet Kalingo and Dajjal
http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... sc&start=0

Post by **Admin** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:49 pm

One saying of Hazrat Ali is that the world is never missing one "Qaim bi Haqq."

This is reported by Ya'Qubi, an author writing before the event of the Fatimid. (There is an article in French by Yves Marquet.

there is a small summary in English on that page on what the article is all about.

http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/28385

MR-FORGET · Post by **MR-FORGET** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:38 pm

Ismailis brothers,
On what reliable sources you thinks or can claims thay zahoorat will come? What is English word for zahoorat? any websites?

Nobody has answered me yet whether day of qayama and zahoorat day are same days?

Post by **Admin** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:04 am

Imam Aga Ali Shah said in one of his Farman that Zahurat will come and it will follow very difficult times. But this is he word he used: ZAHURAT.