Is Truth of "Four Gatis" accepted by our deen?

[email protected] · Post by **[email protected]** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:29 am

In Religious book of hinduism "Gita" it is written that there are four
Gatis..i.e. transmigration of soul exists according to the karma to one of the
four gatis.
Is this knowledge accepted by our ismailism ?

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:36 am

According to the Ginan 'Ya Khudavind Anant Kalapme Age..' there are 'Chaar Khaann' - four stages: seetej, jarej, indaj and sureg.

[email protected] · Post by **[email protected]** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:10 pm

can you explain these?

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:55 pm

Off course brother:-

Brother admin please do not lock the above post about ' GHATI' it is very imported subject and I think it is not Hindu theory or Hindu belief we Ismailis also belive that, we have one special ginans on ghatis composed by Pir Sadardin.

BTW:- Kbhai you are talking about 4 KHANS , Satej, andej, Udbhj e.t.c. but the ghatis are totally different then 4 Khans.

As I wrote above that there is a separate ginan composed by pir Sadardin specially on 'GHATIS' called "Bavan Ghatis" As per Hindu believes their are 4 ghatis in which dead person must have to pass but ours ghatis are 52 in which every deceased person's souls has to pass through to reach salvation.
If you read that ginans you will amazed that how difficult it is to pass that passes/ghatis . therefore we are taking one chhanto called 'BAVAN GHATI NO CHHANTO' in the night of " Laitul Qadra" .

"Ghat" means a "a passage, a way a path" example "Khaibar Ghat"

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:00 pm

Here is that granth:- Bavan Gahati.

http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/30590

http://ismaili.net/heritage/files/BAAVA ... mplete.pdf

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:15 pm

can you explain these?

As per my thinking it is very well explained in 'GARUD PURAN" better than Gita I.E. what happens to the souls after death.

For more detail please visit following link. and also read Garud Puran.

http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/h_death.asp

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:08 am

[email protected] wrote:can you explain these?

There is a discussion about the 4 Khaans at:

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... ight=sitej

[email protected] · Post by **[email protected]** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:25 am

Thanks brother

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:27 am

Kbhai,

Actually Moez is asking more detail on "FOUR GHATIS" NOT on "FOUR KHANS", as you keep giving wrong information rather then accepting your mistake , which I corrected you yesterday read below:-

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BTW&#58;- Kbhai you are talking about 4 KHANS , Satej, andej, Udbhj and Jadej  but the ghatis are totally different then 4 Khans.

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:27 am

agakhani wrote:Kbhai,

Actually Moez is asking more detail on "FOUR GHATIS" NOT on "FOUR KHANS", as you keep giving wrong information rather then accepting your mistake , which I corrected you yesterday read below:-
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BTW&#58;- Kbhai you are talking about 4 KHANS , Satej, andej, Udbhj and Jadej  but the ghatis are totally different then 4 Khans. 

Abhai,

From the question I think he wants to know the stages of evolution which are mentioned in the 4 Khaans. Although he mentioned the Ghatis, I think he meant the Khaans.

[email protected] · Post by **[email protected]** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:41 am

kbhai
I am looking for "gatis" not "khans"

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:34 am

[email protected] wrote:kbhai
I am looking for "gatis" not "khans"

Your question was about transmigration of souls which has nothing to do with the gatis. Only the khaans deal with it.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:02 pm

Moez,

Yes, we believes in Ghatis, if not then Pir Sadardin would not have composed a special granth on the subject of Ghatis, the name of this granth is 'BAVAN GHATIS" .
Ghati means a Gate, a Passage, a Way.
From this gates every deceased souls must have to pass depends on his/her good or bad deeds.
As per the Granth there are fifty two ghatis not only four as per HIndu belief.