Explaination needed of Koran Ayat.

[shiraz.virani]

Admin said :

Again to come back to the title of this thread, a God sent icon_wink.gif quote :

The Imam must direct Ismailis on the practice of their religion and constantly interpret the Qur'an for them according to our theology. On the spiritual plane, the Imam's authority is absolute. Ismailis believe therefore that what the Imam says is the only true interpretation possible. [Interview] March 1975

-- Aga Khan IV

Admin bhai or behen

Do we pick and choose the interviews/ firman of MHI because when somebody else posts it on here to prove his/her point [Like for example Imam e zaman using the word "insha allah/ Assalaamalaikum"] most of em say look bappa was sitting in the middle of shariati audience and so he has to use those terms.

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Noor said :

Hadith - From: Abu Dawud, Narrated by Ali ibn Abu Talib

The Prophet said, "If anyone introduces an innovation in the religion, he will be responsible for it. (Good or bad). If anyone introduces an innovation or gives shelter to a man who introduces an innovation (in the religion) he is cursed by Allaah, by His angels and by all the people."

Since Prophet Muhammad[pbuh], it has been one of our key principles to keep up faith but to change our ideas with time.

Shah Karim Al Hussaini

Nairobi, Kenya
Sep 26, 1959

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Babaji said :

you must write what ALI say today is heard n recorded

"Some of you have referred to me as the imam of the atomic age. But Iam the 49th imam and there will be imams in the future, and the age will not be atomic, it may be the Space age, and maybe it will be further than the space age- but all that means is that Allah's presence is everywhere, all the time."

Mawlana Hazar Imam

Nairobi, Oct 5th- 1982

[Admin]

Babaji said :

you must write what ALI say today is heard n recorded

"Some of you have referred to me as the imam of the atomic age. But Iam the 49th imam and there will be imams in the future, and the age will not be atomic, it may be the Space age, and maybe it will be further than the space age- but all that means is that Allah's presence is everywhere, all the time."

Mawlana Hazar Imam

Nairobi, Oct 5th- 1982

I would have underligned the word "all that means"

Admin Bhai or Behen

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Noor said :

I have simple answer.
Islam is simple religion and to practice it is also simple.
Salat, fast and Zakat

Sister Islam does not stop there, Its really funny to see such a learned person like you saying this but anyways lets see what our imam has to say on this.

"We, who believe in Islam are infinitely fortunate because islam is a faith that is eternal. It is not the faith of past, but it is also a faith of the past, present and the future...............

I think therefore it is important that today on this occasion, you should look to the future with confidence, loyalty and total commitment to the fundamental concept of islam, which is eternity of islam, in the world of past, the world of today, and the world of tomorrow. And that must never change. And that is something which I wish never to change. And that is why you have an imam of the time to guide you, to direct you, so that the interpretation of that faith at that time, is the faith of the time, but in its eternal context. It is an eternal context."

Nairobi, Kenya
Oct 5th, 1982

[zznoor]

Noor said :

I have simple answer.
Islam is simple religion and to practice it is also simple.
Salat, fast and Zakat

Sister Islam does not stop there, Its really funny to see such a learned person like you saying this but anyways lets see what our imam has to say on this.

"We, who believe in Islam are infinitely fortunate because islam is a faith that is eternal. It is not the faith of past, but it is also a faith of the past, present and the future...............

I think therefore it is important that today on this occasion, you should look to the future with confidence, loyalty and total commitment to the fundamental concept of islam, which is eternity of islam, in the world of past, the world of today, and the world of tomorrow. And that must never change. And that is something which I wish never to change. And that is why you have an imam of the time to guide you, to direct you, so that the interpretation of that faith at that time, is the faith of the time, but in its eternal context. It is an eternal context."

Nairobi, Kenya
Oct 5th, 1982

Thank you brother
If I was Imam, I would also say same thing. I would also claim to be Brhma, Vishnu, Krisna etc. etc. I would also claim that Quran is corrupted and has 10 more chapters without offering single Instance of corruption. List is long.
I am happy offering my Salat and fast to Allah SWT and Zakat to needy directly.
Salaam

[zznoor]

"all that means is that Allah's presence is everywhere, all the time."

Nothing new about this statement

[zznoor]

[quote]Since Prophet Muhammad[pbuh], it has been one of our key principles to keep up faith but to change our ideas with time.

Key of Islam for me is Salat, fast and Zakat, Hujj has flexibility. After adhering to this, one can be modern and change with the time.

[tret]

Noor said :

I have simple answer.
Islam is simple religion and to practice it is also simple.
Salat, fast and Zakat

Sister Islam does not stop there, Its really funny to see such a learned person like you saying this but anyways lets see what our imam has to say on this.

"We, who believe in Islam are infinitely fortunate because islam is a faith that is eternal. It is not the faith of past, but it is also a faith of the past, present and the future...............

I think therefore it is important that today on this occasion, you should look to the future with confidence, loyalty and total commitment to the fundamental concept of islam, which is eternity of islam, in the world of past, the world of today, and the world of tomorrow. And that must never change. And that is something which I wish never to change. And that is why you have an imam of the time to guide you, to direct you, so that the interpretation of that faith at that time, is the faith of the time, but in its eternal context. It is an eternal context."

Nairobi, Kenya
Oct 5th, 1982

Thank you brother
If I was Imam, I would also say same thing. I would also claim to be Brhma, Vishnu, Krisna etc. etc. I would also claim that Quran is corrupted and has 10 more chapters without offering single Instance of corruption. List is long.
I am happy offering my Salat and fast to Allah SWT and Zakat to needy directly.
Salaam

What most people fail to recognize is the ranks or [hudood singular hadd] in the realm of spirituality and faith. One must not pass [or rather ignore] it's rank [hadd]. They will elevate to higher rank, by being receptive to the divine ta'hleem [instructions] from its upper rank. Here's what's in the Qur'an.



"We raise in ranks [darajat] whom We please; and over every possessor of knowledge is a possessor of knowledge" - Holy Qur'an 12:76

[Admin]

Since Prophet Muhammad[pbuh], it has been one of our key principles to keep up faith but to change our ideas with time.

Key of Islam for me is Salat, fast and Zakat, Hujj has flexibility. After adhering to this, one can be modern and change with the time.

Imam knows to keep the key functional. But many do not see that their own key has rusted with time and that is why they are unable to open the good things written in their destiny.

[tret]

Since Prophet Muhammad[pbuh], it has been one of our key principles to keep up faith but to change our ideas with time.

Key of Islam for me is Salat, fast and Zakat, Hujj has flexibility. After adhering to this, one can be modern and change with the time.

Prophet Muhammad [PBUH] says:

"An hour's contemplation is better than a year's adoration."

In this context term 'adoration' means prayer/worship.

While prayer is important, but what's even more important than that, is to realize its purpose and meaning and not simply to perform it for sake of performing it.

[shiraz.virani]

Tret said :

What most people fail to recognize is the ranks or [hudood singular hadd] in the realm of spirituality and faith. One must not pass [or rather ignore] it's rank [hadd]. They will elevate to higher rank, by being receptive to the divine ta'hleem [instructions] from its upper rank. Here's what's in the Qur'an.


"We raise in ranks [darajat] whom We please; and over every possessor of knowledge is a possessor of knowledge" - Holy Qur'an 12:76

Very nicely put brother tret, can't agree more...This reminds me of Guru Nanak Saheb who said :

Sing the songs of joy to the Lord, serve the Name of the Lord, and become the servant of His servants.

[tret]

Another beautiful one by Quhistani.

"If you listen to the advice of a Da'i, you will become the accepted one. You will become alive and your heart will be enlightened." -Sayyedna Nizari Quhistani.


Hujjat/Pir receives ta'yid [divine inspiration] through the mediation of The Imam of the Time [Saheb-e-Zaman Wal-asr]; and then He[Hujjat] transmits this knowledge to lower ranks, who are Da'i, Muhaleem, Mahzoons and Mustajebs [We are at the lower rank of Mustajeb, and ours is to be receptive]. We must be receptive to the ta'hleem [Divine instructions] of our upper ranks. If we just do that, we will become accepted ones. That's what will leads us to the Divine eventually and hopefully.

[zznoor]

Noor said :
Sister Islam does not stop there, Its really funny to see such a learned person like you saying this but anyways lets see what our imam has to say on this.

"We, who believe in Islam are infinitely fortunate because islam is a faith that is eternal. It is not the faith of past, but it is also a faith of the past, present and the future...............

I think therefore it is important that today on this occasion, you should look to the future with confidence, loyalty and total commitment to the fundamental concept of islam, which is eternity of islam, in the world of past, the world of today, and the world of tomorrow. And that must never change. And that is something which I wish never to change. And that is why you have an imam of the time to guide you, to direct you, so that the interpretation of that faith at that time, is the faith of the time, but in its eternal context. It is an eternal context."

Nairobi, Kenya
Oct 5th, 1982

Thank you brother
If I was Imam, I would also say same thing. I would also claim to be Brhma, Vishnu, Krisna etc. etc. I would also claim that Quran is corrupted and has 10 more chapters without offering single Instance of corruption. List is long.
I am happy offering my Salat and fast to Allah SWT and Zakat to needy directly.
Salaam

What most people fail to recognize is the ranks or [hudood singular hadd] in the realm of spirituality and faith. One must not pass [or rather ignore] it's rank [hadd]. They will elevate to higher rank, by being receptive to the divine ta'hleem [instructions] from its upper rank. Here's what's in the Qur'an.



"We raise in ranks [darajat] whom We please; and over every possessor of knowledge is a possessor of knowledge" - Holy Qur'an 12:76

Problem with people is thy follow and Quote truncated Ayas or half hadithing to prove their point.
Try posting 12:76 full or with few Aya before and after

Here is from Maudidi
(12:76) Then Joseph first began to search the packs of his step-brothers before searching the pack of his own brother. At last he took it out from the pack of his brother. Thus We supported Joseph with Our plan: *59 or it did not behove Joseph to seize his brother (by the king's law) except that Allah willed it so. *60 We raise high the ranks of those We will, and there is the One Whose knowledge is far greater than the knowledge of all others.

Read his comments here
tafheem.net/tafheem.html
Salaam

[zznoor]

tret
Prophet Muhammad [PBUH] says:

"An hour's contemplation is better than a year's adoration."

Book and page please and when Ismailis started to believe in Hadith of anybody except to prove their POV!

[tret]

tret
Prophet Muhammad [PBUH] says:

"An hour's contemplation is better than a year's adoration."

Book and page please and when Ismailis started to believe in Hadith of anybody except to prove their POV!

If you do a search, I am pretty sure you should find this hadis.

here's a link for example.


islamicbooks.info/H-7-Ethics/7--Ethics-4.htm



That's a false claim that you are making. Please do not generalize in this manner, for it's not a sing of a wise man[or woman].

I told you once, and I repeat again, what you see/read in these forums are strictly understanding and opinion of each individual, and does not 100% necessarily represent Ismaili Tariqa's in general. If a person doesn't believe in Qur'an or Hadis, than it's that particular person's personal belief and in no way it represents Ismaili Tariqa's at all.

There are enough materials [credible materials] available, if one wants to learn about Ismaili Tariqa.

[tret]

tret
Prophet Muhammad [PBUH] says:

"An hour's contemplation is better than a year's adoration."

Book and page please and when Ismailis started to believe in Hadith of anybody except to prove their POV!

Besides, if we reference anything from Farameen of our Imam, it won't be credible to you. So, it's best to reference from something that you hold credible. Don't you think so?

[zznoor]

Nuseri wrote
I have ones simple question why you only partcipate with data/matter of 1370 years back in the forum.Past is past.you are aware that there two sets of opinion floating that of Sunni n Shia on it. the smae thing get reposted.these in any forum can be dismissed as there is no proof

ASAK brother

I have simple answer.
Islam is simple religion and to practice it is also simple.
Salat, fast and Zakat
Hz Ali whom you consider Allah has said about introducing innovations to 1370 year old religion as follows;
I consider this to be foremost Farman from Imam Ali


Hadith - From: Abu Dawud, Narrated by Ali ibn Abu Talib

The Prophet said, "If anyone introduces an innovation in the religion, he will be responsible for it. (Good or bad). If anyone introduces an innovation or gives shelter to a man who introduces an innovation (in the religion) he is cursed by Allaah, by His angels and by all the people."

There are more Hadith and Quranic Ayas on the subject of Bida which is not Germaine to this thread
This is my simple answer

@tret

We are discussing Hadith
Here is reaction of foremost Marafati

From nuseri
To zznoor:Ya Ali Madad.
As expected you have taken a quote of 1370 years back.
hadith are 85% fake floating in the market,pik n choose what you need.
it is all hear,say n saw by third person story ppeped up by fouth or fifth level
writer on it.
any hear, n say heard lines.
has NO LEGAL status,may be a moral obligation to some who want to use it for one conveniance.
I dismiss is staraigh away.
these look fake as it does not matches the wave length of Allah/Imam.
If have any current observation of result of any of those actions.
you must write waht ALI say today is heard n recorded.
no court of law or group of impartial wise person will agree to stories told
by dead entities.
Again what do have in current living Imam or Ismailis is important.
story of trhird person is not a farman.
Farman is official address to his followers.

It looks Ismailism and Islam has only one thing common Muslim Shahada and 2/3 Shahada of Ismaili

[zznoor]

nuseri
Farman is official address to his followers.

Ya right
From guy who admitted that he does not do Dua regularly!!!!

[nuseri]

Ya Ali Madad.
Honest admission is good ,as one has to remember lies n copy paste in mind.
For me Farmans are akin to Ayats of Quran from ALI heard n understood by me in my comfort zone language,similarly Dua is also composition of Ayats.
They equal in essence n truth.
What saying of ALI in Quran or current Farmans if find befitting me does moulds me,It can be my wish.
My soul is today because it absolutely abided to Farmans from X thousand years.

Key to Islam is not not 4 candles ,they may form a basis out of external observation of an entity seen 1370 years back.
as a act of religion is not totally faith.
Religion can be the physical act of medieval ages.Faith and acts of humanity is the Key and meditation is sole key for ultimate.
Islam is a living faith and not religious act of the Deads.
Every one has one particular style n timing.so did prophet.
what you have is not the Key but the mimic acts of 1370 years back.
The reflection is there to see in around you,who stands where?.
I wish if all members put their own POV from past material valid for today's time and not copy paste of medieval ages( no legal standing) will be healthy for all of us.

[tret]

Problem with people is thy follow and Quote truncated Ayas or half hadithing to prove their point.
Try posting 12:76 full or with few Aya before and after

Here is from Maudidi
(12:76) Then Joseph first began to search the packs of his step-brothers before searching the pack of his own brother. At last he took it out from the pack of his brother. Thus We supported Joseph with Our plan: *59 or it did not behove Joseph to seize his brother (by the king's law) except that Allah willed it so. *60 We raise high the ranks of those We will, and there is the One Whose knowledge is far greater than the knowledge of all others.

Read his comments here
tafheem.net/tafheem.html
Salaam

Right. The point I was making from this verse was specifically about ranks in the realm of spiritual and faith. And you just re-affirmed it. Please re-read the verse specifically the one I underlined and highlighted! And where have I stated otherwise? Do you not believe in ranks in the world of faith?

Just a note about this part:

...there is the One Whose knowledge is far greater than the knowledge of all others.

Where I posted:

...over every possessor of knowledge is a possessor of knowledge.

These are flaw/strength of the translator. However the tah'weel is very important to be correctly. The latter that I quoted, supports the verse comes before it, about ranks, implying there are ranks in the realm of faith and spirituality and one must recognize and more importantly obey it.

[zznoor]

Problem with people is thy follow and Quote truncated Ayas or half hadithing to prove their point.
Try posting 12:76 full or with few Aya before and after

Here is from Maudidi
(12:76) Then Joseph first began to search the packs of his step-brothers before searching the pack of his own brother. At last he took it out from the pack of his brother. Thus We supported Joseph with Our plan: *59 or it did not behove Joseph to seize his brother (by the king's law) except that Allah willed it so. *60 We raise high the ranks of those We will, and there is the One Whose knowledge is far greater than the knowledge of all others.

Read his comments here
tafheem.net/tafheem.html
Salaam

Right. The point I was making from this verse was specifically about ranks in the realm of spiritual and faith. And you just re-affirmed it. Please re-read the verse specifically the one I underlined and highlighted! And where have I stated otherwise? Do you not believe in ranks in the world of faith?

Just a note about this part:

...there is the One Whose knowledge is far greater than the knowledge of all others.

Where I posted:

...over every possessor of knowledge is a possessor of knowledge.

These are flaw/strength of the translator. However the tah'weel is very important to be correctly. The latter that I quoted, supports the verse comes before it, about ranks, implying there are ranks in the realm of faith and spirituality and one must recognize and more importantly obey it.

Once again you are playing partial Aya game.
This whole Sura is about Yusuf AS. Superior knowledge talked about in this Aya is for Prophet Yusuf AS. Not your MHI.

Here is partial quote of Maudidi comment

By removing the flaw in his plan, Allah showed that His knowledge was far superior to the knowledge of those, whom (like Prophet Joseph) He had endowed with knowledge.

Please read complete comment of Maudidi and comments of Asad, and Yusuf Ali.
I am also quoting comment by Aqa Mahdi Puya
From: quran.al-islam.org

Aqa Mahdi Puya says:

Above every knowing there is a knower who knows all and more than all the knowing-Allah.


The brothers said that if Benjamin had stolen, it was no wonder, his brother had stolen before. Yusuf knew well his half brothers were worse in the degree of evil.


One brother stayed there, and the others went back to Yaqub and told him what had happened. Yaqub was greatly disturbed. His eyes became white with sorrow and he fell into silent melancholy, yet he hoped that it was all being done so that Allah the all-knowing, might bring his sons back to him. He asked his sons to go in search of Yusuf and Benjamin and advised them to have faith in the mercy of Allah, because those who did not believe in Allah despaired and lost hope. They returned to Yusuf, offered him what little they had and begged for his favour. Yusuf could no longer hold himself. He said: "I am Yusuf and this is my brother Benjamin. Allah has been gracious to us; for Allah verily does not deprive those who obey and follow His laws and commands and endure."


The half brothers confessed their sin and wickedness. Yusuf at once forgave them and prayed to Allah to forgive them. Allah is the most merciful of all.

[tret]

Problem with people is thy follow and Quote truncated Ayas or half hadithing to prove their point.
Try posting 12:76 full or with few Aya before and after

Here is from Maudidi
(12:76) Then Joseph first began to search the packs of his step-brothers before searching the pack of his own brother. At last he took it out from the pack of his brother. Thus We supported Joseph with Our plan: *59 or it did not behove Joseph to seize his brother (by the king's law) except that Allah willed it so. *60 We raise high the ranks of those We will, and there is the One Whose knowledge is far greater than the knowledge of all others.

Read his comments here
tafheem.net/tafheem.html
Salaam

Right. The point I was making from this verse was specifically about ranks in the realm of spiritual and faith. And you just re-affirmed it. Please re-read the verse specifically the one I underlined and highlighted! And where have I stated otherwise? Do you not believe in ranks in the world of faith?

Just a note about this part:

...there is the One Whose knowledge is far greater than the knowledge of all others.

Where I posted:

...over every possessor of knowledge is a possessor of knowledge.

These are flaw/strength of the translator. However the tah'weel is very important to be correctly. The latter that I quoted, supports the verse comes before it, about ranks, implying there are ranks in the realm of faith and spirituality and one must recognize and more importantly obey it.

Once again you are playing partial Aya game.
This whole Sura is about Yusuf AS. Superior knowledge talked about in this Aya is for Prophet Yusuf AS. Not your MHI.

Here is partial quote of Maudidi comment

By removing the flaw in his plan, Allah showed that His knowledge was far superior to the knowledge of those, whom (like Prophet Joseph) He had endowed with knowledge.

Please read complete comment of Maudidi and comments of Asad, and Yusuf Ali.
I am also quoting comment by Aqa Mahdi Puya
From: quran.al-islam.org

Aqa Mahdi Puya says:

Above every knowing there is a knower who knows all and more than all the knowing-Allah.


The brothers said that if Benjamin had stolen, it was no wonder, his brother had stolen before. Yusuf knew well his half brothers were worse in the degree of evil.


One brother stayed there, and the others went back to Yaqub and told him what had happened. Yaqub was greatly disturbed. His eyes became white with sorrow and he fell into silent melancholy, yet he hoped that it was all being done so that Allah the all-knowing, might bring his sons back to him. He asked his sons to go in search of Yusuf and Benjamin and advised them to have faith in the mercy of Allah, because those who did not believe in Allah despaired and lost hope. They returned to Yusuf, offered him what little they had and begged for his favour. Yusuf could no longer hold himself. He said: "I am Yusuf and this is my brother Benjamin. Allah has been gracious to us; for Allah verily does not deprive those who obey and follow His laws and commands and endure."


The half brothers confessed their sin and wickedness. Yusuf at once forgave them and prayed to Allah to forgive them. Allah is the most merciful of all.

This ayat is apparently about Yusuf's and His brothers, no doubt.

But, don't you think a little why this story was mentioned in the Qur'an, had it not deeper and more significant meaning, just besides this story?

This is called contemplation. Qur'an is full of symbolism and metaphoric languages, which has further and deeper meaning than just literal. I guess this is what sets us apart.

[zznoor]

This ayat is apparently about Yusuf's and His brothers, no doubt.

But, don't you think a little why this story was mentioned in the Qur'an, had it not deeper and more significant meaning, just besides this story?

This is called contemplation. Qur'an is full of symbolism and metaphoric languages, which has further and deeper meaning than just literal. I guess this is what sets us apart.

Ok
If you say this partial Aya prove that certain people are endowed with superior knowledge,good for you.

[zznoor]

I guess this is what sets us apart.

Salat, Ramdan fast, Jumma Prayer, Wadu, endowing mortal humans with knowledge of Gaib etc. and fancy interpretation of corrupted Quran are many other things.

[tret]

I guess this is what sets us apart.

Salat, Ramdan fast, Jumma Prayer, Wadu, endowing mortal humans with knowledge of Gaib etc. and fancy interpretation of corrupted Quran are many other things.

That's exactly correct. Therefore, Islam is universal faith by conviction. Everyone is more than welcome and free what they want to believe.

[tret]

This ayat is apparently about Yusuf's and His brothers, no doubt.

But, don't you think a little why this story was mentioned in the Qur'an, had it not deeper and more significant meaning, just besides this story?

This is called contemplation. Qur'an is full of symbolism and metaphoric languages, which has further and deeper meaning than just literal. I guess this is what sets us apart.

Ok
If you say this partial Aya prove that certain people are endowed with superior knowledge,good for you.

FYI, I wasn't try to prove anything; I was merely affirming it. For a believer in esoteric, everything that we see (religion imcluded) MUST have a deeper and more beautiful meaning.

[nuseri]

To Quran scholars:Ya Ali Madad.
I wish to know to the sura/ayat no and it contents for below query of mine.
I am really ill informed on this.

1.How many Ayats mention the word Shariat and Sunnat

2.How many Ayats mention the word Haqiqat/haqiqi/haqq?

3.Which Ayat mentions of keeping beard or covering head?

4.Which Ayat mentions the style n size of Burqa?.

Does the sound byte n language of Allah sound like
a human or an animal or out of space Alien?

I see so called unqualified to called Muslims in the first place
do not follow the message of ALI(generic name) in Quran
but mimic the act and obligations of the messenger instead.


Awaiting reply to the first section of the post.

[nuseri]

Ya Ali Madad:
I am seeking in particular from zznoor n tret and others as well a simple answer from a very simple question,It may look childish or silly type to someone.
Does the sound byte,language,text of Allah in Quran sound like
a) A human Being b) An animal c) An out of space Alien.

[nuseri]

Ya Ali Madad.
I always try to make the explanation of our religion n faith as simple as abc.
I attended a gathering with informal debate.I do often start with sets of question and raising the the bar with each question, one leading either to conviction or escapism to those who to try answer it.
My first question made everybody laugh at the stupidity of my question,their answer
was unanimous of choice A.
then I continued on to second one.
'If you understand or believe in the words of Allah.would you like imagine,visualize.dream.like to see,hear and talk to HIM as a
a) A human being b) An animal c) An out of space Alien.
I guess the audience was mix Haqiqati n Tariqati Ismailis of my city
Their laughter gave away to smile and grin.
I was still very simple and asking from quran their wish.
two left the place with some lame excuse.
then came my third question.A litmus test of a sort.
Suppose if Ali+lah=Allah were to stay on earth among us,Would
he be as
a) A human being b) An animal c) An out of space alien.
first required their their common sense and second needed rational
logical to their first answer (given laughingly).the third made them search
their Intellect/Faith either to confirm with first two answers or stay confused.
One person who knew me told that 'I knew you are going to trap us with your questions'.
I replied the question were asked not to trap but enlighten with simple logic n reasoning from Basic of Quran from language used by Allah,his style of address,his description of himself.( Nothing changed by me)
It was no rocket science or mythology and demonizing Allah for no reasons.
One religious educator is going to try it out with his students.
Few of them wish to become attorney for ALI.
I told them welcome aboard