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zznoor wrote:
When MHI says that Islam (including shia/sunnie/ismailies and any other sects in ismlam) has much more in common and in harmony with other Ibramihic faith, like Jewish and Christian; we should learn from it and embrace the little differences in the interpretation of Islam amongst sunnie and shia within Islam itself. Why can't we just let it be? I am sure for a believer, sunnie or shia path can lead to salvation, even if there are difference of opinion in interpreting Islam.
Any interpretation of Islam not included in Quran is not acceptable as far as majority of Ummah is concerned.
In the journey of soul searching, I personally don't feel like convincing anyone that my path is correct or incorrect, and neither should majority do either.

That's what pluralism is all about to accept the differences and coexist in a society with each other inspite of having different view and interpretation of faith!!

If I were to convince the majority population about my version of the story, then I may have a very very long way to go, with no success at all!

And I don't think you should prove yourself (your version of interpretation) to be right either! If you are satisfied intellectually and spiritually in the path that you are on, then my interpretation or anyone else's shouldn't bother you at all.
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tret wrote:
zznoor wrote:
When MHI says that Islam (including shia/sunnie/ismailies and any other sects in ismlam) has much more in common and in harmony with other Ibramihic faith, like Jewish and Christian; we should learn from it and embrace the little differences in the interpretation of Islam amongst sunnie and shia within Islam itself. Why can't we just let it be? I am sure for a believer, sunnie or shia path can lead to salvation, even if there are difference of opinion in interpreting Islam.
Any interpretation of Islam not included in Quran is not acceptable as far as majority of Ummah is concerned.
In the journey of soul searching, I personally don't feel like convincing anyone that my path is correct or incorrect, and neither should majority do either.

That's what pluralism is all about to accept the differences and coexist in a society with each other inspite of having different view and interpretation of faith!!

If I were to convince the majority population about my version of the story, then I may have a very very long way to go, with no success at all!

And I don't think you should prove yourself (your version of interpretation) to be right either! If you are satisfied intellectually and spiritually in the path that you are on, then my interpretation or anyone else's shouldn't bother you at all.
what if my interpretation of faith says " I am right and others are wrong" and "Its my duty to propagate the Truth" ?
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a_27826 wrote:
tret wrote:
zznoor wrote: Any interpretation of Islam not included in Quran is not acceptable as far as majority of Ummah is concerned.
In the journey of soul searching, I personally don't feel like convincing anyone that my path is correct or incorrect, and neither should majority do either.

That's what pluralism is all about to accept the differences and coexist in a society with each other inspite of having different view and interpretation of faith!!

If I were to convince the majority population about my version of the story, then I may have a very very long way to go, with no success at all!

And I don't think you should prove yourself (your version of interpretation) to be right either! If you are satisfied intellectually and spiritually in the path that you are on, then my interpretation or anyone else's shouldn't bother you at all.
what if my interpretation of faith says " I am right and others are wrong" and "Its my duty to propagate the Truth" ?
That would be the principal of da'waa. It must be conducted appropriately by designated Dai's.

If we can get our points across by reasonable arguments and not causing quarrel, by all means. but, the other party is also as convinced as you are, I am not sure the how this would lead any where, except anger and frustration?
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Brothers
I have one question. Following is Hadith from Bukhari.
My question to you all is
Was Prophet lying about Salat, fast and Zakat?

Hadith no: 45
Narrated / Authority of: Talha bin Ubaidullah
A man from Najd with unkempt hair came to Allah's Apostle and we heard his loud voice but could not understand what he was saying, till he came near and then we came to know that he was asking about Islam. Allah's Apostle said, "You have to offer prayers perfectly five times in a day and night (24 hours)." The man asked, "Is there any more (praying)?" Allah's Apostle replied, "No, but if you want to offer the Nawafil prayers (you can)." Allah's Apostle further said to him: "You have to observe fasts during the month of Ramadan." The man asked, "Is there any more fasting?" Allah's Apostle replied, "No, but if you want to observe the Nawafil fasts (you can)." Then Allah's Apostle further said to him, "You have to pay the Zakat (obligatory charity)." The man asked, "Is there any thing other than the Zakat for me to pay?" Allah's Apostle replied, "No, unless you want to give alms of your own." And then that man retreated saying, "By Allah! I will neither do less nor more than this." Allah's Apostle said, "If what he said is true, then he will be successful (i.e. he will be granted Paradise)."
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Simple question: Can Allah change his guidance to humanity according the time they live in?

If not, we do not believe in the same Allah.

If Allah can change his guidance and be capable of guiding his humanity according to Time, then this is the all powerful Allah we believe in and the one you believe in is not Allah, he is some limited impostor.

Our concept of God is that he guides humanity and make them progress according to their own situation, their own geography, their own understanding, their own belief and their own time like a father would guide his children from birth to childhood, to teenage years to adulthood and till wisdom.
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Admin wrote:Simple question: Can Allah change his guidance to humanity according the time they live in?

If not, we do not believe in the same Allah.

If Allah can change his guidance and be capable of guiding his humanity according to Time, then this is the all powerful Allah we believe in and the one you believe in is not Allah, he is some limited impostor.

Our concept of God is that he guides humanity and make them progress according to their own situation, their own geography, their own understanding, their own belief and their own time like a father would guide his children from birth to childhood, to teenage years to adulthood and till wisdom.
Now I understand
Allah of majority of Shia, Sunni, Ahmedi Muslims is different then Allah of Imami Ismaili Muslims.
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zznoor wrote:Brothers
I have one question. Following is Hadith from Bukhari.
My question to you all is
Was Prophet lying about Salat, fast and Zakat?

Hadith no: 45
Narrated / Authority of: Talha bin Ubaidullah
A man from Najd with unkempt hair came to Allah's Apostle and we heard his loud voice but could not understand what he was saying, till he came near and then we came to know that he was asking about Islam. Allah's Apostle said, "You have to offer prayers perfectly five times in a day and night (24 hours)." The man asked, "Is there any more (praying)?" Allah's Apostle replied, "No, but if you want to offer the Nawafil prayers (you can)." Allah's Apostle further said to him: "You have to observe fasts during the month of Ramadan." The man asked, "Is there any more fasting?" Allah's Apostle replied, "No, but if you want to observe the Nawafil fasts (you can)." Then Allah's Apostle further said to him, "You have to pay the Zakat (obligatory charity)." The man asked, "Is there any thing other than the Zakat for me to pay?" Allah's Apostle replied, "No, unless you want to give alms of your own." And then that man retreated saying, "By Allah! I will neither do less nor more than this." Allah's Apostle said, "If what he said is true, then he will be successful (i.e. he will be granted Paradise)."
I don't think the prayer, Zapata or fast is the issue. We ismailie most certainly concur with all those 5 pillars (we actually have two additional as well). I believe our differences are in the interpretation of these elements. We believe in presence of divine guide at all times who shall convey the true interpretation of faith at a given time period. Where as our mainstream sunnier brothers still holds the interpretation which was done back during the time of the Prophet.

You still haven't answered my question if the Prophet were present today, would follow what he said even if that would mean against sharia?
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zznoor wrote:
Admin wrote:Simple question: Can Allah change his guidance to humanity according the time they live in?

If not, we do not believe in the same Allah.

If Allah can change his guidance and be capable of guiding his humanity according to Time, then this is the all powerful Allah we believe in and the one you believe in is not Allah, he is some limited impostor.

Our concept of God is that he guides humanity and make them progress according to their own situation, their own geography, their own understanding, their own belief and their own time like a father would guide his children from birth to childhood, to teenage years to adulthood and till wisdom.
Now I understand
Allah of majority of Shia, Sunni, Ahmedi Muslims is different then Allah of Imami Ismaili Muslims.
JAK
Your way of thinking reminds me of a beautiful version from the great Maulana rumi that goes like this

چار کس را داد مردی یک درم
آن یکی گفت این به انگوری دهم

آن یکی دیگر عرب بود گفت لا
من عنب خواهم نه انگور ای دغا

صاحب سر عزیز صد زبان
گر بودی آنجا بدادی صلح شان

پس بگفتی او که من زین یک درم
آرزوی جمله تارا میخرم

Translation is something like this.

Four people was given 1 darham. One of them was Persia and said we buy grapes but he said it in Persia. The other one was an Arab and he said I want anab (means grape in arabic). The other two guys from other places and said grapes in their own languages. They all wanted the same thing but had no idea they meant one thing after all. Eventually a wise man arrives who knew all 4 languages and told them that he would buy with this 1 darham everything all 4 wanted.

Has a great moral.
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zznoor wrote:
Admin wrote:Simple question: Can Allah change his guidance to humanity according the time they live in?

If not, we do not believe in the same Allah.

If Allah can change his guidance and be capable of guiding his humanity according to Time, then this is the all powerful Allah we believe in and the one you believe in is not Allah, he is some limited impostor.

Our concept of God is that he guides humanity and make them progress according to their own situation, their own geography, their own understanding, their own belief and their own time like a father would guide his children from birth to childhood, to teenage years to adulthood and till wisdom.
Now I understand
Allah of majority of Shia, Sunni, Ahmedi Muslims is different then Allah of Imami Ismaili Muslims.
JAK
Your way of thinking reminds me of a beautiful version from the great Maulana rumi that goes like this

چار کس را داد مردی یک درم
آن یکی گفت این به انگوری دهم

آن یکی دیگر عرب بود گفت لا
من عنب خواهم نه انگور ای دغا

صاحب سر عزیز صد زبان
گر بودی آنجا بدادی صلح شان

پس بگفتی او که من زین یک درم
آرزوی جمله تارا میخرم

Translation is something like this.

Four people was given 1 darham. One of them was Persia and said we buy grapes but he said it in Persia. The other one was an Arab and he said I want anab (means grape in arabic). The other two guys from other places and said grapes in their own languages. They all wanted the same thing but had no idea they meant one thing after all. Eventually a wise man arrives who knew all 4 languages and told them that he would buy with this 1 darham everything all 4 wanted.

Has a great moral.
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Simple question: Can Allah change his guidance to humanity according the time they live in?
As I understand, Prophet Muhammad was Khatimul Nabi. There will be no Prophet after him.

Now thru whom Allah is going to convey change in Guidance?

What is difference between guidance conveyed to Prophet Muhammad in old time and one thru Prophet MHI in the time you live ?
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Why do you call "Prophet MHI?" are you just pretending to be uneducated or are you really one. The Ismaili Constitution signed by Mowlana Hazar Imam says that the Prophet Muhammad is our last Prophet. Hazar Imam is not a prophet, even not in your own nightmare ;-)

Now if you can not reply to the simple question, no one obliges you to do so. Just say that you do not know if Allah can guide according to the time and space and dimension and we will respect your point of vue and agree to disagree with you.
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zznoor wrote:
Admin wrote:Simple question: Can Allah change his guidance to humanity according the time they live in?

If not, we do not believe in the same Allah.

If Allah can change his guidance and be capable of guiding his humanity according to Time, then this is the all powerful Allah we believe in and the one you believe in is not Allah, he is some limited impostor.

Our concept of God is that he guides humanity and make them progress according to their own situation, their own geography, their own understanding, their own belief and their own time like a father would guide his children from birth to childhood, to teenage years to adulthood and till wisdom.
Now I understand
Allah of majority of Shia, Sunni, Ahmedi Muslims is different then Allah of Imami Ismaili Muslims.
JAK
Finally you get it.

For us - there is no Allah - only Ali and that is the IMAM.
Now will you follow what the Quran says?

To you yours - to me mine...

Somehow you're claiming to set rules on Allah - when Allah is beyond Human comprehension...

Who are you to tell us what Allah is?
Have you met Him?

Don't make presumptions.

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Post by nuseri »

Ya Ali Madad:
It seems to look loke candle hawker is hawking the MOST useless candle no 5.that is 'Palits circling the the warehouse of the Bhoots'.

The perfect recipe agreed upon by the civilized word for what is called
Disaster today is nothing but 'five n five candles only'.

If any member take little interest in disaster recipe words,One has to dig into data of 1370 years old with no testimony of any Dead by now.

It is a futile waste of time,energy n digital space.

To: Disaster recipe hawker:

BHOOTNI KI TARAH CHAKKER KATO AUR KATO
AUR MARNE KA INTEZAR KARO.
JAANWAR SE BHI GIRHI HUWI HALAT
BAN GAYEE AAP LOGO KI.
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Admin wrote:Why do you call "Prophet MHI?" are you just pretending to be uneducated or are you really one. The Ismaili Constitution signed by Mowlana Hazar Imam says that the Prophet Muhammad is our last Prophet. Hazar Imam is not a prophet, even not in your own nightmare ;-)
I am sure you know what "Taqiya (Dissimulation)" is?
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I do not know about admin! but I know what Taqia means, when it should use and when not, but how the taqia related to prophet Mohd or current MHI? Can you please elaborate little more about your thinking?
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I don't think the prayer, Zapata or fast is the issue. We ismailie most certainly concur with all those 5 pillars (we actually have two additional as well). I believe our differences are in the interpretation of these elements. We believe in presence of divine guide at all times who shall convey the true interpretation of faith at a given time period. Where as our mainstream sunnier brothers still holds the interpretation which was done back during the time of the Prophet.

You still haven't answered my question if the Prophet were present today, would follow what he said even if that would mean against sharia?
Who are you trying to fool brother?

Ismailis do not pray 5 Salat/Namaz, they pray 3 Dua and no qibla required, no Adhan, no Wadu
No Jumma prayers
No Fast in Ramadan required but Sukarwari Beej fast required.
No Hajj but Darshan of MHI preferable

Do you call this concurring With 5 Buniyad of Islam?
Looks like Ismaili pillars are entirely different.

BTW there will be no Prophet born. No need to speculate..
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zznoor wrote:
I don't think the prayer, Zapata or fast is the issue. We ismailie most certainly concur with all those 5 pillars (we actually have two additional as well). I believe our differences are in the interpretation of these elements. We believe in presence of divine guide at all times who shall convey the true interpretation of faith at a given time period. Where as our mainstream sunnier brothers still holds the interpretation which was done back during the time of the Prophet.

You still haven't answered my question if the Prophet were present today, would follow what he said even if that would mean against sharia?
Who are you trying to fool brother?

Ismailis do not pray 5 Salat/Namaz, they pray 3 Dua and no qibla required, no Adhan, no Wadu
No Jumma prayers
No Fast in Ramadan required but Sukarwari Beej fast required.
No Hajj but Darshan of MHI preferable

Do you call this concurring With 5 Buniyad of Islam?
Looks like Ismaili pillars are entirely different.

BTW there will be no Prophet born. No need to speculate..
Once again - we're back to where we started - your false mask comes off!

What else to expect from someone that ran away....(sigh).

Okay - show me in the Quran where 5x PRAYER IS SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED..WHERE ALLAH SAYS - PRAY 5 X A DAY.

And I've told you this - if you are a muslim - then by God - I don't want to be a MUSLIM.
Because my version of Islam is tolerant and allows pluralism...yours doesn't.

In your version of Islam - you claim to follow all the tenets - but rather you pick and choose -
you claim to follow what the Quran says - but when it comes down to the brass tacks - you can substantiate within any reasonable doubt that the Islam you follow is what the Quran states.

hell - even your copy pasting - has issues - there is no consistency - you go from Sunni to Ithna Asheri sites to make your arguments and none of them are congruent.

Most of us on the Ismaili side have been very congruent and consistent - you on the other other hand - depending on which Mulla you were doing that week - change your tune.

You claim to be a Muslim and follow the Quran - then do what Surah Kafiroon says - but you say that doesn't apply - so who knows

"To you yours - to me mine"

May you enjoy the 72 Hoories allotted to you in heaven.
Btw...according to the interpretations you follow - those Hoories are supposed to be Women - will Lesbianism be allowed in your version of Jannat?


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Some say there is a problem with Islam. I say the problem is not with Islam. The problem is with those Muslim that do not understand Islam. Point in case, just read ZZNOOR's post above.
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zznoor wrote:
I don't think the prayer, Zapata or fast is the issue. We ismailie most certainly concur with all those 5 pillars (we actually have two additional as well). I believe our differences are in the interpretation of these elements. We believe in presence of divine guide at all times who shall convey the true interpretation of faith at a given time period. Where as our mainstream sunnier brothers still holds the interpretation which was done back during the time of the Prophet.

You still haven't answered my question if the Prophet were present today, would follow what he said even if that would mean against sharia?
Who are you trying to fool brother?

Ismailis do not pray 5 Salat/Namaz, they pray 3 Dua and no qibla required, no Adhan, no Wadu
No Jumma prayers
No Fast in Ramadan required but Sukarwari Beej fast required.
No Hajj but Darshan of MHI preferable

Do you call this concurring With 5 Buniyad of Islam?
Looks like Ismaili pillars are entirely different.

BTW there will be no Prophet born. No need to speculate..
I [we] am not in any need to fool anyone. Why should I fool anyone?
You probably didn't completely understand what I said, actually. I repeat again, we [ismailies] do concur with all those 5 pillars; our interpretation is for sure different than yours, and that's why the importance of pluralism must be emphasized.

let's take prayer for instance. According to you[orthodox muslim], one must face qibla, perform 5 times [at exact time] salat in specific order and even specific ayats, where as according to us, it's Dua [which we still recite ayats of the Qur'an, like Surah Ikhlas, and others], but the moral of Dua and/or Pray must be to remember the almighty Allah, which is what we do when we submit our Dua.

You still have trouble understanding what I asked about the Prophet, my dear sister.

I asked you what if [it's a rhetorical question] the Prophet was alive now, and what if He ordered all muslims to do something that's against the shariat as we know it, would you have followed Him?


You said it well, let's just agree to disagree; If you aren't ready to engage in a constructive discussion and you are not mindful about these topics, I don't think anyone can add any value to it.
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let's take
prayer for instance. According to you[orthodox muslim],
one must face qibla,
It's in Quran
perform 5 times
It's in Quran
[at exact time]
I believe it is Hadith
salat in specific order
As taught to prophet by Gibreal
and even specific ayats,
Beside Sura Ikhalass one can recite any Sura from Quran
where as according to us, it's Dua [which we still recite ayats of the Qur'an, like Surah Ikhlas, and others],
Not in Quran and not 5 times
but the moral of Dua and/or Pray must be to remember the almighty Allah, which is what we do when we submit our Dua.
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I asked you what if [it's a rhetorical question] the Prophet was alive now, and what if He ordered all muslims to do something that's against the shariat as we know it, would you have followed Him?
That was answered during life time of Prophet
When Prophet was told to change Qibla from Jerusalem to Kaaba, Muslim obeyed no question asked.
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zznoor wrote:
I asked you what if [it's a rhetorical question] the Prophet was alive now, and what if He ordered all muslims to do something that's against the shariat as we know it, would you have followed Him?
That was answered during life time of Prophet
When Prophet was told to change Qibla from Jerusalem to Kaaba, Muslim obeyed no question asked.
But the Quran says Allah is everywhere...wherever we look.....so what do we follow????

Shams.
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ShamsB wrote:
zznoor wrote:
I asked you what if [it's a rhetorical question] the Prophet was alive now, and what if He ordered all muslims to do something that's against the shariat as we know it, would you have followed Him?
That was answered during life time of Prophet
When Prophet was told to change Qibla from Jerusalem to Kaaba, Muslim obeyed no question asked.
But the Quran says Allah is everywhere...wherever we look.....so what do we follow????

Shams.
askaquestionto.us/question-answer/salah/if-god-is-intangible-why-do-muslims-turn-to-kaaba-during-salah
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I have observed for a long time let say more than 30 years that jamati members from Pakistan and central Asia started to give more importance to qasidas in comparison with ginans, this is what happened because they do not really understood piratan concept at all! It is a pity not only for them but it is a pity of Ismaili tariqa bord too; which didnot taught them about our ginans and pirs properly.
I have also seen that they give more Impotence to Dai Nasir Khushru rather than pir Sadardin and pir Shams! Which is sad. and therefore I wrote for Nuseri and those peoples who are freom central Asia needs to take another birth to better understand about ginans and piratan concepts for me N. Khushru " piro ki juti ke barabar bhi nabi." sorry for my language but it is true.
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The problem is they think our Satadhari Pirs were all Khojas and that create a negative reaction.

Little do they know that none of those Pirs were Khojas. They were all Persians, Turkish, Arabs.
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zznoor wrote:
ShamsB wrote:
zznoor wrote: That was answered during life time of Prophet
When Prophet was told to change Qibla from Jerusalem to Kaaba, Muslim obeyed no question asked.
But the Quran says Allah is everywhere...wherever we look.....so what do we follow????

Shams.
askaquestionto.us/question-answer/salah/if-god-is-intangible-why-do-muslims-turn-to-kaaba-during-salah
Oh - Allah is now communicating via the internet?

Is the person responding on the site referred a new prophet that you're following?
Because - if you say - no - then i'll be very curious why you're following what they're saying - and why is it okay for you to follow that person in their interpretation and such a big deal for me to follow ALI - that is the Imam of the Time?
Hypocrisy? - but that is expected of you.

and if you say Yes.
Then you contradicted yourself - and you have no stance (not that you did anyways but I find this game humorous - picking up your chappals and beating you on the head with it...)
And if this person can interpret the Quran for you - who himself has no standing except what he's been brainwashed with - I, along with all the other Ismailies - might as well as follow Hazar Imam - who is a direct descendant of the Prophet - which even you or your mullahs can't deny!
And as per the incident of Ghadir-e-Khumm - which also is accepted by Sunni Scholars - not website lunatics or your corner crazy mullah,who is more interested in interpreting things to his own taste and benefit...- is the rightful Imam and the Interpreter of the Quran.

Like i've said - be a true muslim in one aspect - follow surah kafiroon -
To you yours and to me mine

Leave the judging of others to Allah - focus on your practice of your religion...not on other peoples.

We're not coming to convert you back - hell no - you left of your own free will and trust me - we really don't want you back.

Be happy in your faith - and stop trying to validate your decision by smearing mud on our practices.

What is it called - Penis Envy...

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agakhani wrote:I have observed for a long time let say more than 30 years that jamati members from Pakistan and central Asia started to give more importance to qasidas in comparison with ginans, this is what happened because they do not really understood piratan concept at all! It is a pity not only for them but it is a pity of Ismaili tariqa bord too; which didnot taught them about our ginans and pirs properly.
I have also seen that they give more Impotence to Dai Nasir Khushru rather than pir Sadardin and pir Shams! Which is sad. and therefore I wrote for Nuseri and those peoples who are freom central Asia needs to take another birth to better understand about ginans and piratan concepts for me N. Khushru " piro ki juti ke barabar bhi nabi." sorry for my language but it is true.

When I hear these type these types of claims, i feel really sad that inspite of our beloved Imam emphasizing so much about pluralism, yet we still try to take sides and play favours, especially amongst ourselves. We won't make Imam happy by taking side, like Ginan is better/more important than Qasita. Or Pir Sadruddin is higher than Nasir Khusraw. Do you really think Imam would be happy, by that?

Since you brought it up agakhani brother, let me give you my prespective. I would never wanted to say anything about these topics, but since YOU brought it up, then hear me out please.

I really believe if we learnt our Ismaili history, from Hazrat Ali, down to MHI, then we won't have these issues. If we know our own Ismailie history then we know who Nasir Khusraw is or Who Pir Sadruddin is. Most of these issues arise out of ignorance and dis-information.

Now you say tariqa board failed to teach jama'at of central asia about Ginan and history of indian sub-contenant ismailies. Then, one from central asian jama'at can say the same thing about not teaching about central asian jama'at and history! It goes both ways.

Just a little history here. Imams and Dais ruled from somewhere around 11th centry during the Fatimide period for a long time. Then the period of Alamut. All these are Persian ruled Imams and have great works and Qasida is only one genr of work that Imams and Dais/Pirs of the time left behind for us. So, I am not sure whose history should be tought to who, first?

Now, you say central asian jama'at started to give more importance to Qasida than Ginan; why does that bother you? The importance of Ginan is still at its place. People who knows Ginan can still benifit from it?

I really hope not to see these type of side taking from my brothers. Anyone who does it, they need to be educated and become aware of our Ismaili history, than kept blind in their own history alone.
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Post by zznoor »

Brother ShamsB
ASAK

I remember one of Shams stated that they believe in Famans of MHI and if he says that dance in JK to some tune, he will do it.
Allah has asked Muslims to face Kaaba and Prophet obeyed. And we also obey.
Other reason is Unity.
Now just think if in Dua sesson jamaati facing different direction instead of leaders. What happens?
I am surprised you are having difficult time understanding such simple thing.
No wonder you do not have faith in Quran, word of Allah and his prophet.
I am not trying to convert anybody and participate when needed.nthere are many threads where I did not post.
Please Keep your penis where it belongs.
Salaam
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Post by nuseri »

To ShamsB:Ya Ali Madad.

NAVROZE MUBARAK TO ALL.

You wrote "For us there is no Allah-only ALI and that is the Imam."
It is one of the finest line amongst the finer lines you write.
That I would analyze it
as breaking off from Shariat to know Marifat.

You are now a rock solid Haqiqati getting feathers to fly into Marifat.
Keep it up.

Please do not waste your time on a disaster recipe (earlier called as candles) hawker.You are lowering yourself with inappropriate words for the sake of debate.

I personally observe ALL orthodox Shairatis as real Absolute loaded Disasters in the civilized world of ours.

I feel Admin should have Junk n Disaster section segment in the Forums
and after all are amused, from it.Then it could be flushed down n out of the site on weekly basis.
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nuseri wrote:To ShamsB:
I feel Admin should have Junk n Disaster section segment in the Forums
and after all are amused, from it.Then it could be flushed down n out of the site on weekly basis.
Do not ask things which you may regret down the line. It may become reality and some of your disrespectful sentences may also end up in that section....
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