Farmans of MHI(1957to 2004)-----REINCARNATION & REBIRTH

[a_27826]

SHARIATIS ARE NOT A MUSLIMS IN THE FIRST PLACE IF THEY DO NOT ACCEPT 90% OF WHAT ALLAH SAY IN SIMPLE LANGUAGE

It’s an interesting statement.

When Prophet was delivering message from God, a group of Jinns listened him silently.

After that, they (the group of Jinns) returned back to their people to advice.

046:031 O our people, respond to God's summoner and believe in him, he will forgive your sins and protect you from a painful chastisement

The translated verse in English language seems simple.

In the above, verse who does "him" and "he" refer to? The God or The Prophet?

Even if you go to Arabic text, you will still won't be able to get a real 100% understanding, because the writer might have put a comma or a full stop here and there according to his understanding of the message he heard from the Prophet.

A Muslim is he who submits to the will of God. e.g. disciples of Jesus.

But what is the will of God?

[tret]

But what is the will of God?

In my opinion, it's to seek/receive knowledge of tawhid.

[zznoor]

To zznnor:Ya Ali Madad.
SHARIATIS ARE NOT A MUSLIMS IN THE FIRST PLACE IF THEY DO NOT ACCEPT 90% OF WHAT ALLAH SAY IN SIMPLE LANGUAGE.

Please don't call anyone non-Muslim. I expect this from takfiri Wahhabis, not Ismailis.

I ignore this guy. He needs to see shrink.

[nuseri]

To Tret:Ya Ali Madad.
You posted a copy paste .I could have asked you many questions and proof proof proof as I do not see it and nor a certified statement of a Imam.
I do have questions now.
First is says GOD/Ali was already there, said BE and it BEcomes and BE is now Basic of Engineering and into nut n bolts analytical of it.
Next you write it's being self engineered.
If God created Aql E KUL of himself as see him as Imam.
so the truth is GOD is Imam of the Time

In your advice to some couple you put the status of ALLAH with Imam.
well zznoor is a sharp observer,hence you questioned of your FAITH.

As just some time back those who with Haqiqati conviction of GOd is ALI is MHI were blinded in their conviction and one should be plain vanilla Tariqati that ALI is Imam and nothing beyond.
If one reads all these Ismaili saga n scholars their Faith stats with ALI as God that can bee seen n observed by their writings.
One simple question.

Is MHI the noor of ALI is ALI+lah ( Allah) himself.

In Persian traditions the child is born.

DUM HUME DUM ALI ALI.

A straight dose of Marifat with no shariati ringa ringa roses around it.

My next question is after your own confirmation of your status.ALI status does not change.( remember empty part of Glass).

[tereishqnachaya]

To zznnor:Ya Ali Madad.
SHARIATIS ARE NOT A MUSLIMS IN THE FIRST PLACE IF THEY DO NOT ACCEPT 90% OF WHAT ALLAH SAY IN SIMPLE LANGUAGE.

Please don't call anyone non-Muslim. I expect this from takfiri Wahhabis, not Ismailis.

I ignore this guy. He needs to see shrink.

What's his deal? Is he Ismaili or not...?

[nuseri]

To a_27826:Ya Ali Madad.
We have one Shariati just not willing to accept the simple Ayats of importance of Quran as If those Ayats never existed.
Any indifferance or dispute ,It should be taken a wise non muslim jury(few persons of truth n standing agreed by both sides).
Their opinion and judgement would be same as I have said as Shariati would non understand the word/will of Allah is the FIRST place hence do not qualify to call itself XXXXX as they rather against the will of Allah.They can be even termed as Enemies of XXXXXX.(one step further).
They have already self branded themselves and endorsed by over 70% of saner world as

ENEMIES OF HUMANITY N THEIR OWN WOMENFOLK.

No judgement is required as 'Seeing is Believing'

to zznoor:Ya Ali Madad.

AAP TO AASMAN SE GHIR CHUKE HO.
AB MULLAH KI WADI ME KHAJUR KE
JAAD PE LATKI PADI HO.
KAHI AAP JAAD SE BHI GHIR JAYOGE.
MULLAH LOG NOCH LENGE AAPKO

[zznoor]

to zznoor:Ya Ali Madad.

AAP TO AASMAN SE GHIR CHUKE HO.
AB MULLAH KI WADI ME KHAJUR KE
JAAD PE LATKI PADI HO.
KAHI AAP JAAD SE BHI GHIR JAYOGE.
MULLAH LOG NOCH LENGE AAPKO

Apni fiqar karo, bade Miya
Shirk karke kis jagah per pahocho ge
jara Kabhi Socho.

[tret]

Copy paste/paste copy, whatever... you don't listen and I can't care less what you think. So, long as my point is backed up with credible source [unlike yours], is all it matters to me. You are free to ask as many questions as you can think of, if I know the answer, I would more than glad to share my two cents, and if I don't, unlike you i don't invent things. I'll admit to it. You are asking a stamp or signature from MHI for a work to be certified? Isn't it enough that the work is published by IIS? Like I said, if we don't want to trust IIS, which is funded and led by our MHI guidance, then even if MHI himself tells you something, you would question HIS motive. I would be careful, if I were you. You know something nuseri? You sound like our sunnie brothers who are denying the fact that Maula Ali is the rightful successor, and asking for some kind of will [written statement], but ignoring all the other obvious facts. You are also ignoring the obvious fact, and looking for MHI certification. Well done! that's a hell of a progress!!


Pyar karna tu darna kya!!! I don't care of zznoor of xxnoor or yynoor is listening in and I have to watch what I say!! I think you should watch what you say, without valid ground work!

I think you have trouble understanding what I wrote. Let me try again.


Will of God (Amr) is God's essence which has always been there and existed. Now Aql-e-kul has originated from IT (Amr) [two separate entities]. God is not equal to Aql-e-kul. Rather Aql-e-kul is of Allah. I never claimed God=Imam/ALI. Rather I believe Imams/ALI=Mazhar of God (Hujjat or Proof of God). Manifestation of God. There's a fine line there, and I believe you are confused between the two. Now,everyone can by receiving knowledge of tawhid via divine noor on earth can purify his soul and can potentially become one with universal soul. Like if a drop of water joins the ocean; you will never be able to find that drop back again! it becomes ONE with the ocean. But, can we say the drop is ocean? Or it's more accurate to say, the drop of water can becomes ONE with the ocean, if it joins the ocean.


I very much believe that MHI has the noor of Maula Ali!!

Do you even know what Dum Hama Dum Ali Ali (دم همه دم علی علی)means?

[nuseri]

To tret:Ya Ali Madad.
I got your confused and garbled interception imposing a zahiri stand on a marfati material.Same is happening for Quran of it's Ayat.

I did not asked half a question ( is Glass half full?).

with your self engineered conviction and statement copy paste of Ayat of Quran of Allah as same said for IMAM to a person seeking mehmani/etc.

1.Is ALI/MHI absolute Allah? YES OR NO

The question made simpler( asking understanding of full glass).

zznoor is aware of your fallen very low Tariqati status.
( a layer just overflew over hers of Shariati)

Now she has found even that you are also a cunning copypaster.

She has found a potential sucker of her Candles( do no go beyond candles).


One more question.

2.) Do you absolutely believe in Farman of an Imam
or you challenge it being a devoted Ismaile?

No sermons it can be answered in few word or lines.

you are screwed up in your own posting by
1.saying it as 'Self Engineered.'
2. God was there earlier the oderered it ( Amr)
and now' Amr' is assumed status with no origin of sayer.
one lie will lead many many more.

There are billions n billions suckers on Earth who see person preaching in their religion but do understand their soul.( see glass half empty)

I presume it is midnight by now in Quebec

[tret]

Well my mr. mahrifati friend, like I said once earlier, discussion with you and the mindset you have will lead no where and totally fruitless. You neither listen nor can convince.

According to you someone reaches mahrifat as soon as he says ali=allah, even if they don't know what they are talking about and why and everyone else who says otherwise, is according to you sucker/kafiroon/low-level shariati/barking dogs/etc../etc....

I have never come across anyone who is a mahrifati and yet accuse others of such shameful labels!!! If someone truly reaches mahrifat, then every word of him is truth and nothing but truth. I don't see any word of you as truth!!! I see confusion, arrogance and ignorance in your words with very little to no personality!!! I really wish we had this conversation face to face in person, I could articulate 10 times better and more efficient!

You have trouble understanding what I have posted multiple times now, you have trouble expressing what you say. In another thread, you very clearly revealed that you still holding to your hindu thoughts which is still near and dear to you and keep it close to your chest like 'shariati candle' is what you call. i.e. shankar is ali... or krishna is ali or something like that...

But here's good news my friend! In soul searching, everyone is on their own. Let's gracefully differ and avoid quarrel. You have trouble backing up what you claim, is what makes your argument basless and unreliable!!! You accuse me of copy/paste, please go ahead and do the copy paste if it's within the context and you fully understand it!!! And for the record, your little story of half empty and half full is nothing new by the way.


Again, let me answer your question, and I believe you are confused.

Imams are not equal to Allah. They are Hujjat of Allah on earth. They are manifestation of Allah or Mazhar of Allah.


Please do your due diligence on the word Mazhar. You seem to think your intelligent, right?


One of the first pillar of Ismailie is TAWHID!!! Please mr. mahrifati, do enlighten us what is TAWHID according to you?


I don't know, i just have a feeling that you were up all night, last night reading my (and others) comments here. I don't know who should worry about losing sleep now
Admin can confirm this by looking at logs and stuff; I am sure he can do that.

[tret]

2.) Do you absolutely believe in Farman of an Imam
or you challenge it being a devoted Ismaile?

Absolutely I do believe!! Anyone who claims to be an ismailie must believe. I am not questioning Maula's motive or authority, unlike you, I am not looking for Imam's certification on Dai's/Pir's/Hujjat's work. If I see Mawla quoting form the work of a Pir or Dai, then that's more than enough to me!

[nuseri]

Ya Ali Madad.
To start with I observed the speech of MHI recently.It starts with his status of a world statesman known as Aga khan n moves on to the role of physical role of an Imam and beautifully and right ended the speech speaking for/as Allah from Quran " Lord who created you from one soul"
for THOSE who pray to God unseen .he spoke 'for' Allah.

and for THOSE who pray to God seen he spoke 'as' Ali+lah=Allah.

It a simple observation of seeing glass half empty or 100% full with immense value n Intellect part of Air, proven by science as 'not empty.'
In platform and his word a person observes HIM (He does not change)
from Shariati( half full),Tariqati (half full half seems empty) and Haqiqati(100% full)conviction of it's ownself.

The work of great Marfati of insight of the soul of God is remarkable

Nafs is a single spark of a soul and Naf E Kul is the origin and source of all souls.Here the Dai/sufi has expressed how God's soul is nothing but the NOOR of an Imam and called that logically Aql E qul n Nafs e kul.

There are deeper meaning to what a Noorani Momins write out of their Baatin Insight.

Coming back to the speech.MHI seems to be very happy with Canada and I felt he just felt short of blessing those present in the august house of parliament as an Imam.

If one observes the speech very very closely indeed he did it but the word Khanavadan was not used.

He did mention the word 'Disaster'.( I have also used that word in a blunt n straight forward way)
for whom was it used/said or in context for?
I wish to know?

[tret]

It a simple observation of seeing glass half empty or 100% full with immense value n Intellect part of Air, proven by science as 'not empty.'
In platform and his word a person observes HIM (He does not change)
from Shariati( half full),Tariqati (half full half seems empty) and Haqiqati(100% full)conviction of it's ownself.

I'd like to challenge you on this theory!

Let's just take your theory and analyze and observe it in details!

Person A says glass is half-empty!
Person B says glass is half-empty and half-full! (they are saying the same thing, don't you think? Person B is even redundant, where person A is more precise and concise!)
Person C says 100% full. Giving his reasoning, 50% water, and 50% air that contains molecules/atoms/etc../etc... going into more scientific details of matter.

We need to first of all define what do we mean and perceive as *full* and *empty*. I think if we do that, then we automatically withdraw our answer.

If according to you it is the Air that fills up the other half of the glass, then the word *empty* loses it's value and place.
then there will not be anything in this world as empty, as we know it? Unless you mean to say [empty=no air, no space, no molecules/no atoms, no nothing].
Then, if that's what you mean by empty, then does such place exist?

Once you properly define what's empty and full, then the challenge will be no more of a challenge.

[nuseri]

Ya Ali Madad:
A person sees the glass half full with water ,he says what it's see.
Half full glass seen physically is common sense, any primary school child will tell.
observing glass half full and half empty is more close observation of
saying 'it is half full and half empty.'It is rational sense. It can be simple answer for high school student.

The truth (Haqiqat) /Intellect is that glass is totally full with water and air as well.
( proved by logic of science.)
Much deeper insight is analysis of both the content of seen (Zahir)/water
and unseen content air which was ALWAYS THERE ( Baatin).

the value of air in term of importance to life is a man can without water
of 2 days (48x 60 minutes= 1440 times) but cannot live without air for 2 minutes.
Air is only capable of carrying(Noor) intellectual communication radio waves and 7 other properties of value over water.

Every level think itself super smart and what they see n observe and express it and are convinced by their level of intellect or ignorance the content of a 'Glass half full with water".

The whole forum know where you are 'STUCK UP ' or rather stuck down
bur far far above a Sharaiti, Neverthless a Tariqati status of an Ismailie soul is million times more blessed than THOSE without beloved Imam/ALI.
You may see this simple true example of glass being adopted all teachers who are able to read and circulate the message form this website.(is the team IIS reading this post?).

If you do plan to visit subcontinent most most for a debate over a coffee.Get ready to be hypnotized if things get murky.

ZAHIR IS THE SEEN WATER N BAATIN/UNSEEN (IMMENSE WITH NOOR) IS AIR.
IN ITALIAN AIR MEANS 'ALI'.

Take it or leave it.Each to it's own faith.

[tret]

Actually, you missed my point! Please re-read what I asked. I didn't want you to re-explain what you had already done. I get that.


What I wanted to ask you is the following:

- What's *empty* according to you?
- What's *full* according to you?

Then, I can ask the followup question, which you missed in my previous post.

[nuseri]

Ya Ali Madad:
The glass filled with 50% water looks half full with water and half EMPTY
to any person with rational sense.

An Ignorant person with no knowledge of science and belief will see it at
Upper part in a glass as 'Empty.'

To me this person sees a human being as an Imam physically acknowledging the Noor content limited to 33% oxygen content of water
and no clue whatsoever of AIR ever existing it even before water was filled up and NOT accepting value of Air.(air is attached to the whole atmosphere of earth with 20% content oxygen)

To me a person who sees an Imam as a plain vanilla human being is at lower level than this.( see glass half full ONLY as seen by physical eyes)

what if full?
fully understanding that the content of the glass is 50% water and 50% air.
Going beyond that is deeper understanding.
That's to me is that glass is 100% full with air and water and a statement
of out intellect and truth.An understanding with knowledge of Science that
it is 100% full and not 50% empty.This I would feel are blessed haqiqatis
who will live n die with conviction of Ali Allah come what may.

If we go more deeper into.
there are three and not two observations here.there is also a transparent glass in this example.along with it content
Glass=Body. (Agakhan, a human with a name).

water= Seen status ( Imam) value of water only seen.but greater to that of glass only
Air= Unseen/Baatin full of Noor. ( both seen n understood that air
is attached to whole space which contains the whole universe).

There is one more deep aspect to example of glass in context with 'Noor' n co related reasoning

Need Haqiqati readers with open mind for this.

I assume that word 'Glass' is mentioned in translated Ayat of 'Surah Noor'.

It can be quite difficult to explain from that it to Zahiris.

I have taken a glass of water for example purpose only for simple understanding of different level of understanding,ignorance n intellect.

It is not the fullest replacement of the Ayat defining Ali+lah=Allah.

In Today's time the young Jamat may be more receptive to simple examples with Science n reasoning to support it rather get foxed into how soul was created with fancy wordings and no debatable reasoning with it.

If our beloved Imam is modern today so are his Ismaile Jamat and also
Sufis in the Jamat.

[tret]

I very simple question. Please do not mix it yet with spirituality. Just simply describe [according to your understanding, scientifically] what is:

- What is empty?
- What is full?

Remember, I am only asking scientifically at this point! Please leave spiritual out of it for now!

[nuseri]

Ya Ali madad;
Here we are talking of visual of a glass and it's content and understanding it's content on basics of Science and use it as simple example of one's level
of ignorance,understanding n conviction of the sight,status and content and it's value of the glass.
from scientific angle as already expressed three time,if you understand simple English or trying to be too clever.
that glass was always FULL with water and balance space by air.
even before (seen Imam) the glass was full of Air and got replaced by Air
in it space.
That is full in scientific term.
' There is NO EMPTY Glass in scientific term' as it was full with above.
the word empty is said by the person with no scientific base knowledge,
because AIR cannot be seen.

Try this with your family or office,seek answers from them.
hear them out.They would billion suckers who would say
Glass with space without water is empty.
You may not tell the truth as u are from from Haqiqat and the way you tried to distort the Aql e kul posting in two flat days.
Please please show this quiz to people around and seek their answers.
Even masterminds may not give right answer immediately.

I have done done this personally among Ismailis super smart n super informed in their domain n Ismaili material.
Only one out of 17 gave the right answer an accountant called Feroz.
( the answer 50% water n 50% air n said 100% full)
few said it was with water only.
All super smarts gave if was half full with water n half empty as conviction in their mind.( one was IIS return now in Tariqa board).

None could give deeper value based co relation of water n air answers to it.
Now they are aware they are now all trying this simple quiz on others
with knowledge gained from my meeting with them.
I wish many of you can try this quiz amongst whom you know and have not read my posts here.
In a Farman of Imam SMS,He said that a one Haqiqati momin is equal/worth of 100000 non Haqiqati.

[tret]

Congratulations, this is the answer I was expecting.

empty is lack of [absence of] matter, in this example water and/or air.

similarly darkness doesn't exist. there's darkness, simply because there's absence of light.

But, in our day to day life, it's very common and 'accepted' by almost all, if we say glass if half full [or half empty]. In a normal daily life, one wouldn't say the glass is 50% water and 50% air, unless you want to debate scientifically.

Now, to use this analogy to spirituality, is kind of interesting; one needs to change his perception to see other qualities of the glass (including air).

Another example would be, if we observe light, we could see it as particles; however, it could be observed as rays too. Unless, we don't change our perspective, we wouldn't be able to observe the other quality of light.

I would want t go back to my 'optical illusion' example of 'old woman' and 'young girl'.

[nuseri]

To Tret: Ya Ali Madad.
Your reply n interest in it is well appreciated.
in Academic the truth understanding (samaj) is out of more n more reading and understanding.
In our blessed Tariqa along with secular knowledge.It is more n MORE conviction of Imam and his status upto God is Haqiqat Ehsaas (conviction)
and absolute Imaan.It is absolute upgradition of our soul
You may or will realize in times to come or may miss on it in this life cycle.
I will post a Farman ans it translation.
How you understand and take will to you.
Remember that Notion of Emptiness was ignorance and not smartness
as many said to me over me in over confidence that glass was half full
n half empty .
They thought that they were very clever n sharp observers of the glass
with their own physical eyes.
Keep up your passion and reading.

[tret]

in Academic the truth understanding (samaj) is out of more n more reading and understanding.

Knowledge is transient which MUST lead to understanding; or else knowledge would be in vain.

Now, Iman is the foundation of it all, and one must have IT; otherwise more and more reading would lead no where, even if one would master the Qur'an!

[tret]

The following is the information about Tusi and his work that is about to be published by the Institute of Ismaili Studies. The information that I quoted is from the draft version of the book. It is a very interesting book and reflects the Ismaili thought during the Alamut period of its history.

Ismaili Texts and Translations Series

Al-Tusi, Nasir al-Din. The Paradise of Submission. A new Persian edition and English translation of the Rawda-yi Taslim by S J Badakhchani. (Ismaili Texts and Translations Series, 5).

Nasir al-Din Tusi, the renowned Shi‘i scholar of the thirteenth century, produced a range of writings in different fields of learning under Ismaili patronage and later under the Mongols. This is a new English translation of his Rawda-yi Taslim - the single most important Ismaili text from the Alamut period. Here the Persian and English texts are published together for the first time to produce a work of enormous value to students of Islamic theology and philosophy.

Thanks for the info about Lex. These are some of the trials and tribulations of Sufism!

Would you happen to have a soft copy available to share? Or a link where I can get a copy? Thanks.

[kmaherali]

Would you happen to have a soft copy available to share? Or a link where I can get a copy? Thanks.

Below are details about the book.

http://www.iis.ac.uk/view_article.asp?ContentID=105488

It is available in any Jamat Khana or at amazon.com

[tret]

Would you happen to have a soft copy available to share? Or a link where I can get a copy? Thanks.

Below are details about the book.

http://www.iis.ac.uk/view_article.asp?ContentID=105488

It is available in any Jamat Khana or at amazon.com

Thanks.