Farmans of MHI(1957to 2004)-----REINCARNATION & REBIRTH

zznoor · Post by **zznoor** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:54 pm

I personally is a product of reincarnation(S).I may not tell further on it.

Typical nuseri post

tret · Post by **tret** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:58 pm

zznoor wrote:
I personally is a product of reincarnation(S).I may not tell further on it.
Typical nuseri post

This is silly. It's now too personal. Please, try to contribute and provide your POV, instead. I do not agree with some of nuseri's opinions, but I respect him, because he participate in a debate and gives his reasoning. I am sure you can do the same, regardless of who agrees or disagrees with you.

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:02 pm

To:a_27826:Ya Ali Madad.Action time

Please if you can post the Ayats referring to words of relife,rebirth,reincarnation,raised again.raised to life and others.
Please give the ayats nos of all around 26-29 ( rightly said by a member)of them at Zahiri/ nursery level understanding and I am sure many many more are there from Baatin view as well.

Please quote few of the Ayats wordings.(4-5 of them )

If you have any of OWN opinion on those,Please write it in the bottom or Immd in the next posting.

Evey soul has long long past period.Only realizations is needed.It can done by meditation and thru Occult or holistic science.

Is is said thumb print of every human is different,even forensic science has acknowledge it.(even eye iris).

there is in India some sagas tell based' Nadi Shastra ' astrology (pls google it),many has testified it for its accuracy of it.They tell about one's past n future by thumbprint.Spend few dollars n get external Ilm (no Ibaadat ,Baatin or believing in Imams words) for non Haqiqatis.

JEALOUSY N FRUSTRATION CAN BE SEEN A LOT AT LOWER LEVEL
for their non conviction and shallow conviction status.

I would request non believers to check besides copy pasting stuff if any past life regression therapist is there in your city and run a check on themselves of their past life.Get convinced by yourself otherwise you are challenging the words of Imam( one posted by Agakhani n recent statment by MHI on Late Diwan Eboo. ( that is being worse than a barking Shariati or a human being on earth) .

zznoor · Post by **zznoor** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:47 pm

provide your POV,

A Muslim does not believe in reincarnation.

ShamsB · Post by **ShamsB** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:51 pm

zznoor wrote:
provide your POV,
A Muslim does not believe in reincarnation.

Ah - here we go again.

I am a Muslim - i believe in Reincarnation.

Would you now proclaim me as a nonmuslim? and I ask you on whose authority?

and if you proclaim me and my ilk non muslims then does Sura Kafiroon apply and you will go back to your ilk?

Shams

ShamsB · Post by **ShamsB** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:54 pm

zznoor wrote:
provide your POV,
A Muslim does not believe in reincarnation.

Also you have failed to prove that Islam doesn't believe in reincarnation...

You're just spouting off words that you are being fed..

Shams

Oh and I am a Muslim and I believe Ali is Allah - and they are one..actually - unlike what Nuseri says- I say there is only ALI - and nothing BUT ALI.
are you now going to declare me an apostate? upon what authority?

Are you rasikun fil ilm?

Shams

Post by **Admin** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:10 pm

The condition to be called Muslim is to accept that there is no God but God and Muhammad is His Messenger. There is no other condition.

We have gone higher. Mowlana Sultan Muhammad Shah said anyone who declares himself Ismaili has to be considered Ismaili. it is not up to us to judge.

The world is fed up with the extremist who think they have the monopole of wisdom and who go around declaring the whole world non Muslim. They throw their money in Pakistan border areas madrasas, they send fighter and munition to destabilise Syria, they feed disputes in Iraq between Shia and Sunni, they go around throwing bombs to masjid and they kill women in Afghanistan and they have the audacity to call themselves Muslim. Shame on them. No ennemy of Islam has done so much harm to Islam and to Muslims than these extremists!

tret · Post by **tret** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:47 pm

I agree that one shouldn't judge others whether they'r muslim or not. But, let's also not generalize other muslims by categorizing them. There are political motives behind the violence in countries where ummah lives, which are purly driven by political and temporal interests and has nothing to do with religion, as clearly our beloved MHI has mentioned on many occasions.

tret · Post by **tret** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:52 pm

zznoor wrote:
provide your POV,
A Muslim does not believe in reincarnation.

That's your POV and I appreciate it, but not necessarily I agree. One may interpret incarnation [rebirth] as elevating to higher world or stages or realization on the journey of self-discovery and self-realization. After all, there are many interpretation of Islam, not only on this subject but every other subject, and I don't think we can simply declare other as non-muslim if they don't agree with our version of the story.

zznoor · Post by **zznoor** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:54 am

Thread is reincarnation in Islam not who is Muslim.
I said my PO V is "A Muslim does not belive in reincarnation"
Now let us see what Quran and Prophet says.

zznoor · Post by **zznoor** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:56 am

That's your POV and I appreciate it, but not necessarily I agree. One may interpret incarnation [rebirth] as elevating to higher world or stages or realization on the journey of self-discovery and self-realization. After all, there are many interpretation of Islam, not only on this subject but every other subject, and I don't think we can simply declare other as non-muslim if they don't agree with our version of the story.

Let us keep it simple
One dies and he will be reborn

zznoor · Post by **zznoor** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:59 am

I agree that one shouldn't judge others whether they'r muslim or not. But, let's also not generalize other muslims by categorizing them. There are political motives behind the violence in countries where ummah lives, which are purly driven by political and temporal interests and has nothing to do with religion, as clearly our beloved MHI has mentioned on many occasions.

I am Muslim and I am not Taliban. I do not pronounce Taqfir on anybody.

tret · Post by **tret** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:07 am

zznoor wrote:
That's your POV and I appreciate it, but not necessarily I agree. One may interpret incarnation [rebirth] as elevating to higher world or stages or realization on the journey of self-discovery and self-realization. After all, there are many interpretation of Islam, not only on this subject but every other subject, and I don't think we can simply declare other as non-muslim if they don't agree with our version of the story.
Let us keep it simple
One dies and he will be reborn

It is not upto us to keep it simple or complicated. Ours is to find the true hidden meaning of the metaphorical subjects mentioned in Qur'an.

tret · Post by **tret** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:08 am

zznoor wrote:
I agree that one shouldn't judge others whether they'r muslim or not. But, let's also not generalize other muslims by categorizing them. There are political motives behind the violence in countries where ummah lives, which are purly driven by political and temporal interests and has nothing to do with religion, as clearly our beloved MHI has mentioned on many occasions.
I am Muslim and I am not Taliban. I do not pronounce Taqfir on anybody.

And that is what I reiterated.

zznoor · Post by **zznoor** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:58 am

It is not upto us to keep it simple or complicated. Ours is to find the true hidden meaning of the metaphorical subjects mentioned in Qur'an.

3:7. He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: in it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical seeking discord and searching for its hidden meanings but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah and those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord"; and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.

True meaning is for Allah and those "men of understanding"
I am not and I do not think anybody on this forum are person of understanding .
So quote from " men of understating".

a_27826 · Post by **a_27826** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:01 am

nuseri wrote: Please if you can post the Ayats referring to words of relife,rebirth,reincarnation,raised again.raised to life and others.

maybe this is regarding to the topic at hand.

002:028 How do you disbelieve in God, seeing you were dead and He gave you life, then He shall make you dead, then He shall give you life, then unto Him you shall be returned?

I have bolded the part which might relate to this topic if the translation is correct.

tret · Post by **tret** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:02 pm

zznoor wrote:
It is not upto us to keep it simple or complicated. Ours is to find the true hidden meaning of the metaphorical subjects mentioned in Qur'an.
3:7. He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: in it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical seeking discord and searching for its hidden meanings but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah and those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord"; and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.

True meaning is for Allah and those "men of understanding"
I am not and I do not think anybody on this forum are person of understanding .
So quote from " men of understating".

who's "men of understanding" according to you?

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:23 pm

zznoor wrote :

True meaning is for Allah and those "men of understanding"
I am not and I do not think anybody on this forum are person of understanding .
So quote from " men of understating".

Noor, the topic is about the firmans of imams[as] regarding reincarnation and not what does quran has to say about reincarnation.

Also, "Men of understanding" as per majority shias are "ahle bait" so again if ismailis are trying to get a clear cut answer from their imams whats so wrong with that ???

If you are fixated on quran good for you...Ismailis have a living guide in every age who guides them at every stage of life, let's leave the judgement on allah[swt]

Again the topic is Firman of Imams on reincarnation and not What quran has to say about reincarnation....thanks !!!

zznoor · Post by **zznoor** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:47 pm

shiraz.virani wrote:zznoor wrote :

True meaning is for Allah and those "men of understanding"
I am not and I do not think anybody on this forum are person of understanding .
So quote from " men of understating".
Noor, the topic is about the firmans of imams[as] regarding reincarnation and not what does quran has to say about reincarnation.

Also, "Men of understanding" as per majority shias are "ahle bait" so again if ismailis are trying to get a clear cut answer from their imams whats so wrong with that ???

If you are fixated on quran good for you...Ismailis have a living guide in every age who guides them at every stage of life, let's leave the judgement on allah[swt]

Again the topic is Firman of Imams on reincarnation and not What quran has to say about reincarnation....thanks !!!

Sorry I failed to see title of thread as well Admin
He locked Reincarnation thread by saying

Continue this discussion in the following thread as this topic is being discussed there and thre is no need to open more topic on the same subject. Thanks

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... ncarnation

Why are others requesting and posting Quran Ayas.?
I will opt out of this thread
Salaam

tret · Post by **tret** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:59 pm

zznoor wrote:
shiraz.virani wrote:zznoor wrote :

True meaning is for Allah and those "men of understanding"
I am not and I do not think anybody on this forum are person of understanding .
So quote from " men of understating".
Noor, the topic is about the firmans of imams[as] regarding reincarnation and not what does quran has to say about reincarnation.

Also, "Men of understanding" as per majority shias are "ahle bait" so again if ismailis are trying to get a clear cut answer from their imams whats so wrong with that ???

If you are fixated on quran good for you...Ismailis have a living guide in every age who guides them at every stage of life, let's leave the judgement on allah[swt]

Again the topic is Firman of Imams on reincarnation and not What quran has to say about reincarnation....thanks !!!
Sorry I failed to see title of thread as well Admin
He locked Reincarnation thread by saying
Continue this discussion in the following thread as this topic is being discussed there and thre is no need to open more topic on the same subject. Thanks

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... ncarnation
Why are others requesting and posting Quran Ayas.?
I will opt out of this thread
Salaam

That looks like a good idea

ShamsB · Post by **ShamsB** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:29 pm

zznoor wrote:
It is not upto us to keep it simple or complicated. Ours is to find the true hidden meaning of the metaphorical subjects mentioned in Qur'an.
3:7. He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: in it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical seeking discord and searching for its hidden meanings but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah and those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord"; and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.

True meaning is for Allah and those "men of understanding"
I am not and I do not think anybody on this forum are person of understanding .
So quote from " men of understating".

Men of understanding - let's be clear - MEN -

Rasikun fil Ilm - "those who are well grounded in knowledge" i.e. the Imam of the Time.

Thanks for admitting that you are not of understanding - does this mean you're going to stop shoving your interpretations down our throats?

Shams

ShamsB · Post by **ShamsB** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:30 pm

zznoor wrote:
shiraz.virani wrote:zznoor wrote :

True meaning is for Allah and those "men of understanding"
I am not and I do not think anybody on this forum are person of understanding .
So quote from " men of understating".
Noor, the topic is about the firmans of imams[as] regarding reincarnation and not what does quran has to say about reincarnation.

Also, "Men of understanding" as per majority shias are "ahle bait" so again if ismailis are trying to get a clear cut answer from their imams whats so wrong with that ???

If you are fixated on quran good for you...Ismailis have a living guide in every age who guides them at every stage of life, let's leave the judgement on allah[swt]

Again the topic is Firman of Imams on reincarnation and not What quran has to say about reincarnation....thanks !!!
Sorry I failed to see title of thread as well Admin
He locked Reincarnation thread by saying
Continue this discussion in the following thread as this topic is being discussed there and thre is no need to open more topic on the same subject. Thanks

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... ncarnation
Why are others requesting and posting Quran Ayas.?
I will opt out of this thread
Salaam

Putting your foot a little bit too much into your mouth?

Shams

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:14 pm

To zznnor:Ya Ali Madad.

For an Ismailis.What is Said by the Imams is absolute and binding to follow and more so the present Imam of the Time MHI.
and not AS PER YOUR opinion and advice what Quran says ,as earlier masters of Quran in this forums
now sees Baatin in 90% of Ayats an fearful to tread on it of and what prophet said Hadiths 85% fake floating in the market.

Either you are very cunning and NOT trying to accept a nursery level crystal clear Ayat on re life with grades n ranks. or trying to keep topic with opportunity to post invalid shit and garbage.SHARIATIS ARE NOT A MUSLIMS IN THE FIRST PLACE IF THEY DO NOT ACCEPT 90% OF WHAT ALLAH SAY IN SIMPLE LANGUAGE.

You will be turning Admin to a garbage man if not yet become one.
WOW what a bouquet for pluralism for him

To all members of understanding.( each one of you are Intellect as I read your posts).

I disagree that Rasikunfulilm is a singular word .
It a said men ( plural ) not a man/person(singular)
Ali+lah=Allah picks and chooses the right word only.
At The only n only way is to be convinced
in all pages in many hundred times
the word ALLAH is Hazar Imam and Hazar Imam only ( rock solid writing on the wall.
HE is the Source of all Intellect (Aql e Kul).

much much much over above Rasikful ilm.
Those men (not a single persons) were /are Dai,Pirs and many great Sagas who understood and explained Koran it s baatin and also created new work containing it Essence.
Like Imam have said about Ginans and Masnavi of Rumi as an near alternate to Koran.
Rasikful ilm are in all religions Like Guru nanak of Sikhs and his likes.
If Quran was totally in baatin,why God introduce it in the first place,He has blessed all humans with mind and reasoning to know him.
They were/are those reading by a rational persons sees truth in it when talking about life,God and eternity.
Men(s) of understanding are at one millionth fraction of knowledge of thr MHI ( allah).

Singular word is person/a man of knowledge.( Ayat says else)
that can near profiled to Imam.
the word it 'Men of understanding.'
it mean many with Deep understanding ( Deep here means Baatin/Essence).
and precise translation says the word 'understanding' and not knowledge.
In English ata primary school level. Man is single tense,and Men are plural tense

Where is' Imam 'in Quran?
In each n every page after every few Ayats
His signature of Ali+lah =Allah is there.

There are 313 persons spread in all religion (revolving souls) are on Earth who ARE Rasikunkfulilm and ONE N ONLY ONE MHI=ALLAH their source.
Men of understanding can be there for a source of knowledge, so the source comes on top and understanding comes later n follow.

I wish our leaders and institute can follow up and get ultimate clarity
form ALI.
As for my source is the same to these entities may approach at Zahiri level.
I will end with a extract of a Ginan
AHMED ALI ALI BOLIYA
PECHE HONI HOI SO HOI RE,HONI HOI SO HOI REE.

Translation:
I have said ALI ALI.
Later come what may,Later come what may.

tret · Post by **tret** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:33 pm

I think it's in the best interest of everyone [including zznoor herself] to leave her alone. She doesn't have any valid arguments, except copy/pasting stuff from elsewhere without even fully understanding them. Let her do some more soul searching, and when she's good and ready, she is always welcome!

nuseri wrote: HE is the Source of all Intellect (Aql e Kul).

I couldn't agree more! This is a statement that I have been waiting to hear for a looonnnnggg time now. Congratulations, brother!!

Now, I can go a little deeper with you! So, I need some clarity! My understanding is -- I may be wrong, and I need you [someone else] to correct me -- that Aql e Kul has been created from the WILL (Amr) of Allah(God). Even in Qur'an it says God said Be and there it was. It was Amr of Allah which was the source or origination [creation], then from it, Aql e Kul came into existance, which is PERFECT and COMPLETE. Then Aql e Kul over-flew into another hypothesis [Nafs e Kul] which is POTENTIALLY PERFECT, and to make ITSELF [Nafs e Kul] perfect, it generates movements [universe, time, space].

Us [humans] have part of Aql e Kul[Aql e Juz] as well as Nafs e Kul[Nafs e Juz], which are also POTENTIALLY PERFECT. Think of human as sunflower's seed. Now the seed could potentially become a sunflower, because it has all the necessary parts and ingredients and it can POTENTIALLY grow into a COMPLETE sunflower. So:

Akl-e-Kul = COMPLETELY PERFECT
Nafs-e-Kul= POTENTIALLY PERFECT , creates movement to complete itself [sould needs to be saved, not intellect!]
Akl-e-Juz/Nafs-e-Juz = Potentially perfect. Can become purified by receiving knowledge of TAWHID from the divine on earth [Imam e Zaman].

To my understanding Aql e Kul is not equal to God himself. Akl-e-Kul is the source of creation and Intellect/knowledge. Or Mazhar of God/Hujjat of God on earth, without whom[Guidance] understanding of God would be impossible for human's mind.

nuseri wrote: Men(s) of understanding are at one millionth fraction of knowledge of thr MHI ( allah).

I big to differ on this. I think there are levels. Pir, Dai, Hujjat, etc...

The highest level is Imam, Hujjat, Dai, etc... Now Hujjat is almost equal to Imam but not completely. Hujjat's knowledge and understanding of the divine is complete. Even it's the believe of some people that say "The only difference between Hujjat and Imam is that Imam's son[or a male decedent] is Imam, but Hujjat's son[male decedent] is not Hujjat" But no doubt that Imam is the highest rank authority in religious matters.

When Imam was in "Satr", it was Dai's/Pir's and Hujjat's who were performing Tawi'l and Tahleem to murids. It was the Imam who entrusted them and the knowledge they had.

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:08 pm

Ya Ali Madad.
I just posted a message n go wiped out on pressing submit botton
will reply tomorrow.feeling laztyto retype all over again

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:34 pm

Ya Ali Madad.
It is very fine extract of philosophy n doctrine for the creation of a soul of a human and the assumed engineering process that could have happened
GOD know the truth of it.
My shortcut thinking n fantasy is that there was GOD(Ali) and nothing (Lah)and he ordered the creations.
I presume along with the Ismaili sufi n scholars who has written the precise creation of a soul in Persian traditions and also precise dates of doomsday by Indian subcontinent Khoja traditions
that ALI may have choosen his signature as ALllah from above.

The word Aql E kul means Universal Intellect and Nafs E Kul means Universal Soul in near perfect translation.It could have been read in other meaning as well.
It is an absolute status n attribute of GOD/ALI =MHI.
as a source and base to all souls n Intellect.
there is a line which any layman would ponder that Aql E Kul over flew into another hypothesis of Nafs e Kul.

In simple terms a human soul comes which come as ray/spark/bandwidth of above.
The soul(nafs) is layered with Intellect(Aql) like a bandwidth spectrum as observed in air(cannot be seen) like empty part of glass of water.
In words of MHI that Intellect and Faith are two different sides of a same coin.
All the Ismaili doctrines of Persian scholars have been very nicely expressed by by an author Syed Husien Nasr in his book"Ideals and Realities of Islam."
as I understand there are seven phases of status of a humans on earth
from Ignorant like an animal going upto seventh level of an angel near Ahle Bayt. ( both could be found from farmans of Imam.
1.ignorance
2,common sense
3. rational sense
4,rational sense with reasoning.
5.Intellect of higher understanding.
6. Genius ( blessing in one field by god).
This person does super human feats on earth.( Einstien,Shakuntala devi,yuri geller)
7.Gnosis.( again a blessed one)that knowledge of God.

They were/are Pirs,Dai Prophets who also does have miracle powers when needed or ordered by God.
The greatest form of Intellect was of prophet Mohammed(pbuh) from whom GOD spoke as second person and the narration of Quran.
The last ones are Rasikunfililm who are persons of God and has deep understanding of Baatin.
If the Ayats are closely observed thier status come not AT PAR with GOD
but lower than his status.
Intellect is like a bandwidth spectrum(airwaves) which comes along with the soul,till some level God has blessed men/women with faculty(reading etc etc) of mind.at certain level the soul/intellect bandwidth feeds the mind to express it.
How the progress in Science takes place.
1 radio.(one way audio)
4. telephone (two way audio) (like Moses could talk but not see. God 5th level)
3. TV ( one audio/video)
4. Video conference ( high 3/4 g bandwidth spectrum) .
Both ways audio/video interaction.
Science will tell a person that empty UNSEEN part,which is the air content
also contains the Intellectual waves of communication signals.

KHUDA IDHAR HI HAI.
JANNAT DOZAK KA EHSAAS BI IDHAR HAI.
BUS DIL SE PARDHA HAATANE KI ZAROORAT HAI .

tret · Post by **tret** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:23 am

nuseri wrote: It is very fine extract of philosophy n doctrine for the creation of a soul of a human and the assumed engineering process that could have happened
.

This 'self engineering process' has been taken from one of the work, which has been authorized and published by IIS, for your information.

iis.ac.uk/view_article.asp?ContentID=100645

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:35 am

To Tret:Ya Ali Madad.

I appreciated the earlier posting,I knew it was a extract/copy paste You made it look as if it is your own input.

(also observed by zznoor elsewhere).

It is a really a qualitative posting which I tried to put my point of view and expand the way I was convinced and unsure.

IIS as part of their research does reprint work of scholars and Sagas of Past.
They work independently based on academic objectives.

Their reproduced work may or may not have endorsement of MHI.

Admin observes them closely.

The book I mentioned was recommended by MHI to attendees of then Ismailia Association conference in Nairobi in the sixties.

I presume the same author is now a part of faculty/else in IIS.
He is really good in presentation in that particular book.

My glass half full of water story is already adopted by a religious teacher to seniors students in my city.

Our post can also be food for thoughts for academics n student in IIS to explain in simple examples and with modern day scientific reasoning.

tret · Post by **tret** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:01 am

Once you told me not to lose sleep over it; I guess I must say this now to yourself.

Nothing is our own input which is innate, except common sense and intellect. What we learn is either by experience or research/reading that are acquired. The concept I explained, is what I learned way back from the book I posted the link to (and the content was in Persian). I surly paraphrased most of what I can remember and understand, but you have a unique obsession with copy/paste. Anyways, it's something that you have deal with, not me.

So, you are saying there are a bunch of folks our there at IIS and they can print/reprint whatever they may wish without considering with is endorsed by MHI? Then what's the purpose of the IIS, if we don't even want to trust what's published there?

It's only interesting to me what you have stated in one of your posts, that if a work is not easy to understand, then we must shy away from it[declair to be deemed unfit], just because it is convinient; as opposed to try and understand it.

What we say/write it reflects our personality and how our belief system works. You just revealed a very important quality of yours, that you rather shy away from a peice of work, which is complicated and hard to understand (and claim it to be deemed unfit), as opposed to read and reflect upon it.

Your little glass story is no new concept. I know at least more than a few of such analogies. If a teacher adapts your stories, then I really feel sorry for the students of that teacher. Besides, there's nothing you invented that you tap on your own shoulder; let others do it, if it really was worth while.

Our posts can be useful if it was backed up by authentic and valid reference, and not just what we think is true.

tereishqnachaya · Post by **tereishqnachaya** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:22 am

nuseri wrote:To zznnor:Ya Ali Madad.
SHARIATIS ARE NOT A MUSLIMS IN THE FIRST PLACE IF THEY DO NOT ACCEPT 90% OF WHAT ALLAH SAY IN SIMPLE LANGUAGE.

Please don't call anyone non-Muslim. I expect this from takfiri Wahhabis, not Ismailis.