To Tret:
Ya Ali Madad.
If you are just too keen on debate with references ,if you are unable to understand it's depth n translate it gingerly,you are doing not much but inviting Imam dis likers at the smallest 'give away' of of your posting.
I personally not wish to take on any Ismaili or one person.
I asked for 'TRANSLITERATION' and not the full translation.
I would have someone to recite it to me and let my heart take over it to understand despite not knowing the language if any Baatin essence is there in it.
I have supported your reply to zznoor about her 'No problem concept'.
Your have answered some points VERY nicely,It would havebeen much better if you had understood the whole Qasida (poem) as verses are many times co joined with other verses to get full understanding.
Al-Halaj and his declaration "An al-Haq"
My intention is to make you aware that seeking ilm is of immense importance in our tariqa. I don't intent to attract anyone. You seem to be attracted, not?nuseri wrote:To Tret:
Ya Ali Madad.
If you are just too keen on debate with references ,if you are unable to understand it's depth n translate it gingerly,you are doing not much but inviting Imam dis likers at the smallest 'give away' of of your posting.
Besides, I am wondering how did you come into this conclusion that I did a poor job of translating it? I mean you may be correct or maybe totally wrong, but that's not the point. The point I am making is that you clearly don't know or speak/read Farsi, is my point. Anyways, I take your critics.
Now please enlighten us, what do you mean? I owe you a vocabulary as English is not my first language.nuseri wrote: I asked for 'TRANSLITERATION' and not the full translation.
nuseri wrote: I would have someone to recite it to me and let my heart take over it to understand despite not knowing the language if any Baatin essence is there in it.Wow!!! this is mind blowing! To judge something (or someone) without knowing anything about it!! I mean it can't get crazier than this! I don't know what to tell you!
That's why you sit in JK and look at folks and decide to label them as mr. X is noorani today and mr. Y is not so much, because I see noor in his face? I mean, how can you judge someone's believe and love towards their faith and Imam? No one can, except He Himself!
:nuseri wrote: I have supported your reply to zznoor about her 'No problem concept'.
Your have answered some points VERY nicely,It would havebeen much better if you had understood the whole Qasida (poem) as verses are many times co joined with other verses to get full understanding.
You see brother, I also agree with most of what you say. The only part that I don't agree with you is that you preach that seeking knowledge is really not important. While our noble Prophet (PBUH) has emphasized the importance of seeking knowledge. There's an Hadis that says to seek knowledge from crib to grave. Meaning is not to stop ever seeking of knowledge. If you think you have enough knowledge, I want to show you that, it's not true. You can never seek enough knowledge, for knowledge is like ocean.
My intention is to make you aware that seeking ilm is of immense importance in our tariqa. I don't intent to attract anyone. You seem to be attracted, not?nuseri wrote:To Tret:
Ya Ali Madad.
If you are just too keen on debate with references ,if you are unable to understand it's depth n translate it gingerly,you are doing not much but inviting Imam dis likers at the smallest 'give away' of of your posting.
Besides, I am wondering how did you come into this conclusion that I did a poor job of translating it? I mean you may be correct or maybe totally wrong, but that's not the point. The point I am making is that you clearly don't know or speak/read Farsi, is my point. Anyways, I take your critics.
Now please enlighten us, what do you mean? I owe you a vocabulary as English is not my first language.nuseri wrote: I asked for 'TRANSLITERATION' and not the full translation.
Wow!!! this is mind blowing! To judge something (or someone) without knowing anything about it!! I mean it can't get crazier than this! I don't know what to tell you!nuseri wrote: I would have someone to recite it to me and let my heart take over it to understand despite not knowing the language if any Baatin essence is there in it.
That's why you sit in JK and look at folks and decide to label them as mr. X is noorani today and mr. Y is not so much, because I see noor in his face? I mean, how can you judge someone's believe and love towards their faith and Imam? No one can, except He Himself!
:nuseri wrote: I have supported your reply to zznoor about her 'No problem concept'.
Your have answered some points VERY nicely,It would havebeen much better if you had understood the whole Qasida (poem) as verses are many times co joined with other verses to get full understanding.
You see brother, I also agree with most of what you say. The only part that I don't agree with you is that you preach that seeking knowledge is really not important. While our noble Prophet (PBUH) has emphasized the importance of seeking knowledge. There's an Hadis that says to seek knowledge from crib to grave. Meaning is not to stop ever seeking of knowledge. If you think you have enough knowledge, I want to show you that, it's not true. You can never seek enough knowledge, for knowledge is like ocean.
To Tret:Ya Ali Madad.
You were the one who asked for English translation for my couplets in Hindi.
Why the transliteration n the composer's name is asked ?
It was to know if that poem was addressed to Ismailis or Shariati's or
to Zahiris in general.
If it was for Shariatis word could have been 'Allah' and not ALI .
To get proper understanding the total verses n subject of the poem is
also needed.
It is easy to form any verses from thin air to suit one's purpose without naming the source and the entity of that source (Ismaili based or not).
You quoted Farman of MHI, If read properly in context and the year it was said was for upholding native language of culture.
It is relative with the word 'culture'.(not job,communication n research).
The Farman of 2013 is for English for communication,research and better job prospects,which is absolute binding over past Farmans on the same topic or issue.
Can you communicate with all of us in your native language?
MAY BE NOT
You have cultural events n literature in your native language it your internal part.
If one is stuck to Farmans decades old and What MHI meant it for is a sad reflection of our status on it.
AAP JANO AUR AAPKA IMAAN
You were the one who asked for English translation for my couplets in Hindi.
Why the transliteration n the composer's name is asked ?
It was to know if that poem was addressed to Ismailis or Shariati's or
to Zahiris in general.
If it was for Shariatis word could have been 'Allah' and not ALI .
To get proper understanding the total verses n subject of the poem is
also needed.
It is easy to form any verses from thin air to suit one's purpose without naming the source and the entity of that source (Ismaili based or not).
You quoted Farman of MHI, If read properly in context and the year it was said was for upholding native language of culture.
It is relative with the word 'culture'.(not job,communication n research).
The Farman of 2013 is for English for communication,research and better job prospects,which is absolute binding over past Farmans on the same topic or issue.
Can you communicate with all of us in your native language?
MAY BE NOT
You have cultural events n literature in your native language it your internal part.
If one is stuck to Farmans decades old and What MHI meant it for is a sad reflection of our status on it.
AAP JANO AUR AAPKA IMAAN
You see, i don't have this problem that you have. I don't categorize and lable people to X Y Z categories. I simply see them as they are. It's your problem, you figure it out.nuseri wrote: It was to know if that poem was addressed to Ismailis or Shariati's or
to Zahiris in general.
Again, this is your ignorance and prejudice. Don't have anything else to tell you.nuseri wrote: If it was for Shariatis word could have been 'Allah' and not ALI .
First of all it's our current MHI has emphasized to uphold your culture and values. If you haven't heard it, then it's your welcome to believe or disbelieve it.nuseri wrote:
You quoted Farman of MHI, If read properly in context and the year it was said was for upholding native language of culture.
It is relative with the word 'culture'.(not job,communication n research).
The Farman of 2013 is for English for communication,research and better job prospects,which is absolute binding over past Farmans on the same topic or issue.
Second, are you suggesting that we should all foget our native language and culture and try and rush to learn Endlgish?
I know and remember Farman of MHI that emphasized the importance of English and everyone should try and learn English. I don't disagree even one bit, but I also heard Farman of MHI that we should uphold our own cultures and values, which native language is part of it. So, you are welcome to foget your values and native language, doesn't bother me at all.
In English please? You forgot your own rules?nuseri wrote: AAP JANO AUR AAPKA IMAAN
To Admin:Ya Ali Madad.
You just wrote on MHI's statement on risk attached on language and it words getting misinterpreted.
Tret posted a poem or a sermon in transcript of XYZ language.It is still there.When it got posted I awaiting your response on it.
Well Tret is a true Ismaili,If there are posting in any xyz language (non english) .Somebody by mischief can write utter rubbish on MHI till the fact of it comes to light.
You yourself is risking your website on this.
I have observed low moderation and near zero oversight since last 18 months. It is not my job.
Here the person does not know the whole content or it's composer name nor it's transliteration to know any abuses in it.
If your website does have a competent person to read ,understand and review any Non English language transcript n then allow the posting.
As any devoted Momin ,We ALL have protect the status n dignity of the Imam and the Imamat. The popularity of this site will have someone trying the stunt after seeing few of the past posting can get encouragement( Tret getting away with it) to post rubbish in xyz transcript at least for few days.
PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE
You just wrote on MHI's statement on risk attached on language and it words getting misinterpreted.
Tret posted a poem or a sermon in transcript of XYZ language.It is still there.When it got posted I awaiting your response on it.
Well Tret is a true Ismaili,If there are posting in any xyz language (non english) .Somebody by mischief can write utter rubbish on MHI till the fact of it comes to light.
You yourself is risking your website on this.
I have observed low moderation and near zero oversight since last 18 months. It is not my job.
Here the person does not know the whole content or it's composer name nor it's transliteration to know any abuses in it.
If your website does have a competent person to read ,understand and review any Non English language transcript n then allow the posting.
As any devoted Momin ,We ALL have protect the status n dignity of the Imam and the Imamat. The popularity of this site will have someone trying the stunt after seeing few of the past posting can get encouragement( Tret getting away with it) to post rubbish in xyz transcript at least for few days.
PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE
Frustration is clearly observed in this post, mr. know-it-all!!!nuseri wrote:To Admin:Ya Ali Madad.
You just wrote on MHI's statement on risk attached on language and it words getting misinterpreted.
Tret posted a poem or a sermon in transcript of XYZ language.It is still there.When it got posted I awaiting your response on it.
Well Tret is a true Ismaili,If there are posting in any xyz language (non english) .Somebody by mischief can write utter rubbish on MHI till the fact of it comes to light.
You yourself is risking your website on this.
I have observed low moderation and near zero oversight since last 18 months. It is not my job.
Here the person does not know the whole content or it's composer name nor it's transliteration to know any abuses in it.
If your website does have a competent person to read ,understand and review any Non English language transcript n then allow the posting.
As any devoted Momin ,We ALL have protect the status n dignity of the Imam and the Imamat. The popularity of this site will have someone trying the stunt after seeing few of the past posting can get encouragement( Tret getting away with it) to post rubbish in xyz transcript at least for few days.
PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE
What's the matter, did you finally gone away crying out to Admin???
Well, when you open a website, then you could moderate as you wish, whatever just suites your convention. But, I believe that Admin brother knows what he's doing. I very well think that he doesn't need your advise on how to run his website!! So, I guess you can keep it to yourself.
You are judging me I don't know what I am talking about, about a verse that I posted in my own native language; where you clearly have no clue about the language itself; and now you are passing a judgement on it???!!! How ridiculous it can get?!
IT IS LIKE I SAID, YOU SIT IN YOUR JK AND LOOK AT FOLKS AND SAY MR. X HAS A NOOR IN HIS FACE TODAY AND MR. Y NOT SO MUCH.
This is your mentality and ideology, nuseri!! You pre-judge people without trying to understand them!!! This is definitely not one of the qualities of an ismailie.
You talk about responsibility of protecting our tariqa and ismailism. You are so ignorant that you even don't listen to yourself!!!
It's people like yourself who gives bad name to ismailies amongst other mainstream muslim brothers!! You equate Maula ALI to God!!! (I don't wanna comment on this, as this is totally personal observation and belief), but do we have an status amongst other muslim brothers or not, as ismaili muslim?! If we do, then we have to obey the very first principal of ismailie [or islam for that matter], which is TAWHID!!! And you nuseri my friend, have failed multiple times to say anything about this very same principal!!!
So, I don't know who's degrading our tariqa?! You, nuseri [who clearly states that have no knowledge and no interest to seek any knowledge]? Or me [who has, maybe limited knowledge, but am eager to learn more]?
Prevention is definitely better than cure, as Albert Einstein said, "Intellect solves problem, genius prevent them". I consider Ismailies [our tariqa and our beloved Imam], latter, and I very much want myself to be part of it!!!
To Tret;Ya Ali Madad.
I do have a Gurbani (Sikh religious poem) by Gurunanak in Punjabi transcript ,It is in spiritual essence as good as any Ginans or qasidas. could have just posted the transcript n nothing more
I do not follow the same ignorant n foolish strategy .
If one can post rubbish in poor English,just imagine what one can do in xyz language.
Top MBA's ,Solicitors n mastermind in their domain seek advice with appointment from me willing to bow down to get my time.
Admin mentioned rightfully mentioned the word 'RISK' expressed by MHI.
I am just writing an impending risk to be caution about. with real example set by you.
What if anybody post rubbish on MHI in xyz language n no other words in the same post,( as u did).
What if somebody wrote rubbish on Prophet (pbuh) masking as an Ismaili in xyz language.
A mischief by some one can put Life of Admin on RISK by fanatic issuing fatwa with the copy of that post in xyz language.
They know who is Admin n where he residing to act upon on slightest of provocation.
Your mischief n zero Ilm may be now be flowing at gutter level due to frustration.
Think of new foolish ways.(I know 4 of it).
AVOID RISK SO ONCE DOES BECOME A RISK ITSELF
AND AVOID IGNORANT N FOOLS AT ANY COST.
KOI MURKH PANOTI ILM DENE NAHI PUR DUSRO KI JAAN GAVAA
SAKTHE HAI.
ADMIN NAADAN HAI.HUM UNKA AACHA CHAHTE HAI
I do have a Gurbani (Sikh religious poem) by Gurunanak in Punjabi transcript ,It is in spiritual essence as good as any Ginans or qasidas. could have just posted the transcript n nothing more
I do not follow the same ignorant n foolish strategy .
If one can post rubbish in poor English,just imagine what one can do in xyz language.
Top MBA's ,Solicitors n mastermind in their domain seek advice with appointment from me willing to bow down to get my time.
Admin mentioned rightfully mentioned the word 'RISK' expressed by MHI.
I am just writing an impending risk to be caution about. with real example set by you.
What if anybody post rubbish on MHI in xyz language n no other words in the same post,( as u did).
What if somebody wrote rubbish on Prophet (pbuh) masking as an Ismaili in xyz language.
A mischief by some one can put Life of Admin on RISK by fanatic issuing fatwa with the copy of that post in xyz language.
They know who is Admin n where he residing to act upon on slightest of provocation.
Your mischief n zero Ilm may be now be flowing at gutter level due to frustration.
Think of new foolish ways.(I know 4 of it).
AVOID RISK SO ONCE DOES BECOME A RISK ITSELF
AND AVOID IGNORANT N FOOLS AT ANY COST.
KOI MURKH PANOTI ILM DENE NAHI PUR DUSRO KI JAAN GAVAA
SAKTHE HAI.
ADMIN NAADAN HAI.HUM UNKA AACHA CHAHTE HAI
If it's worth it, go ahead and post it!!! Everyone who's eager to learn, will appreciate it!nuseri wrote: To Tret;Ya Ali Madad.
I do have a Gurbani (Sikh religious poem) by Gurunanak in Punjabi transcript ,It is in spiritual essence as good as any Ginans or qasidas. could have just posted the transcript n nothing more
I do not follow the same ignorant n foolish strategy .
If one can post rubbish in poor English,just imagine what one can do in xyz language.
well, I am impressed! If you want to impress others, you can't, unless you prove it. But, by simple reflection of your personality, I don't think anyone can buy it!!! so good luck convincing others, my good friend!!!!nuseri wrote: Top MBA's ,Solicitors n mastermind in their domain seek advice with appointment from me willing to bow down to get my time.
It's more than towice that you are acusing me of somthing that you only think!!! Please either you provide proof that I used anything rubbish on MHI in xyz language about our beloved MHI, or you are talking out of your A**, my good friend!!!! You stop blaming others, for your lack of knowledge!nuseri wrote: Admin mentioned rightfully mentioned the word 'RISK' expressed by MHI.
I am just writing an impending risk to be caution about. with real example set by you.
What if anybody post rubbish on MHI in xyz language n no other words in the same post,( as u did).
Let me remind you, nuseri!!! Who was the one who said that our beloved and noble Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) was an ummi? IT WAS YOU!!!! Go back in time and search ALL MY POSTS and if you find even one statement against our beloved Prophet (PBUH), then I will give it all to you!!!, but if you don't, then I suggest to zip it, and stop lying! Show me where have I spoken mischief about our beloved Prophet? Those who love our beloved Prophet and our beloved Imam (ALI), will never say that our beloved Prophet was an ummi, but you did mr. nuseri!!!. So, I don't know who's talking rubish about beloved Prophet? You? or me?nuseri wrote: What if somebody wrote rubbish on Prophet (pbuh) masking as an Ismaili in xyz language.
A mischief by some one can put Life of Admin on RISK by fanatic issuing fatwa with the copy of that post in xyz language.
My mischief? My zero Ilm? Well, my good friend, you clearly don't have any ilm (knowledge) and apparently, you are not even interested in seeking any knowledge (ilm), and you say I lack knowledge? Well may be you are correct that I may not have enough knowledge, but when it comes from you, then it's kind of ... hypocrite!! you don't believe in seeking knowledge, and blame me not having enough knowledge??? You know what mr. nuseri? you lack integrity!!!! your contradict yourself in most of critical points!!!! It's our beloved Hazir Imam's Farman that we, ismailies have to have INTEGRITY!!! which you lack most! So, I am not sure if you follow our beloved Hazir Imam's Faramin at all?? for yourself to judge!!!nuseri wrote: Your mischief n zero Ilm may be now be flowing at gutter level due to frustration.
Think of new foolish ways.(I know 4 of it).
AVOID RISK SO ONCE DOES BECOME A RISK ITSELF
AND AVOID IGNORANT N FOOLS AT ANY COST.
KOI MURKH PANOTI ILM DENE NAHI PUR DUSRO KI JAAN GAVAA
SAKTHE HAI.
ADMIN NAADAN HAI.HUM UNKA AACHA CHAHTE HAI
BTW. what are your 4 foolish ways?? I can't add'em up, because I think you, yourself is kind of lost!!!! AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, IN ENGLISH PLEASE!!! DON'T FORGET YOUR OWN RULES!!!
To Tret :Ya Ali Madad.
Please refer to my post no 363 on 22 Oct 13 in topic "Is Quran Complete".
My statement and stand on Prophet (pbuh).
If I remember you or some one wrote our prophet was an Ummi.I took a Contarian stand to make a POV
I did write it in 'Capital' letter that also in regular English language.
It is said by Allah in Quran Itself.
It is acknowledged by all Shariaiti's around the world and also those who have left the Earth.
You have NOT (only read n read) understood the Beauty n Baatin of our Faith.
Nor You have understooda bit the Imam and your relation n status
of your soul.
you are moving around with hundred of ???????? of your own soul
Just Reading will take you to the graveyard earlier n may be not nearer to HIM
AAP NE OODKHO
TO KHUDA NE ODHKOO
Please refer to my post no 363 on 22 Oct 13 in topic "Is Quran Complete".
My statement and stand on Prophet (pbuh).
If I remember you or some one wrote our prophet was an Ummi.I took a Contarian stand to make a POV
I did write it in 'Capital' letter that also in regular English language.
It is said by Allah in Quran Itself.
It is acknowledged by all Shariaiti's around the world and also those who have left the Earth.
You have NOT (only read n read) understood the Beauty n Baatin of our Faith.
Nor You have understooda bit the Imam and your relation n status
of your soul.
you are moving around with hundred of ???????? of your own soul
Just Reading will take you to the graveyard earlier n may be not nearer to HIM
AAP NE OODKHO
TO KHUDA NE ODHKOO
If you really did say anything, then you would be able to just state it right here. I am not interested to search your useless posts in the past!!! just say what you need to say here to prove your POV!!!nuseri wrote:To Tret :Ya Ali Madad.
Please refer to my post no 363 on 22 Oct 13 in topic "Is Quran Complete".
My statement and stand on Prophet (pbuh).
If I remember you or some one wrote our prophet was an Ummi.I took a Contarian stand to make a POV
I did write it in 'Capital' letter that also in regular English language.
It is said by Allah in Quran Itself.
It is acknowledged by all Shariaiti's around the world and also those who have left the Earth.
You have NOT (only read n read) understood the Beauty n Baatin of our Faith.
Nor You have understooda bit the Imam and your relation n status
of your soul.
you are moving around with hundred of ???????? of your own soul
Just Reading will take you to the graveyard earlier n may be not nearer to HIM
AAP NE OODKHO
TO KHUDA NE ODHKOO
Let me clarify, do you believe in Qur'an? If I remember correctly, you referred to Qur'an as 'old book'!!! and yet here you are referencing Qur'an?
I have not understood the batini meaning of our tariqa??? really? Okay, may be true or maybe totally false. But, please enlighten me, and tell me what's it that I don't understand? After all, it's our responsibility to teach others what truth is all about, not? So, if you consider yourself to reach marifat, then you are responsible to let others know what you know!!! Which you have failed multiple times, my good friend!
reading may take me to grave, which indicates that i am seeking knowledge from crib to grave. At least i accomplish what our beloved Prophet (PBUH) has told us. But, look at you my good friend, you deny to even seek knowledge even one bit!!! not only that, you preach to others not to do!!! You even has gone further by blaming our noble Dai's and Pir's that they don't know anything and no one should follow them. Even worst, you are now banishing their great work!!! my applause to you mr. know-it-all!!! my applause to you!!!! Now, I wonder where does it stop???!!!!
And last but not least, say your little gimmicks in ENGLISH please!!!! APP KEE APNEE QAWANEEN NAHEEN BHOOL-NA!!!
Ya Ali Madad:
Pluralism is acknowledgement.tolerance and respect of other religions and faith.
It is NOT interfering or imposing r mocking other faith n religion.
Pluralism for this website is welcoming one n all to criticize our Ismaili
religion and faith.
For example one Shariati with zero enrichment, criticizing our Faith pushing with the words of 5 pillars( one most know pillars of all past civilization got crushed.Even pillars are subject to test of time by ALI)
Pluralism does not means that this site is open to all manuscript n transcipts of Non english language being posted dime a dozen because it
is copy paste.
Try posting one Arabic manuscript page on a Christian or a Hindu website an see the pluralism.
Ground level is pluralism,but what ALI only decides will happen.
Warning is there in Quran.
Even the most iconic temple and figures do face test of ALI.
If happened in Uttarakhand with Ionic temple of Shiva (abode of God), a symbol of Hinduism last year.
Just 2 days back the giant statue of Jesus Christ (son of God) symbol of Christianity was singularly struck by lightening in Rio di Janerio in Brazil.making a crack on left arm and shoulder.
People are stumped with Acts of God in both the regions.
What more is in store one does not know.
Admin know what is he today but does not know what can be his tomorrow ( future) .
God bless pluralism of this website.
Pluralism is acknowledgement.tolerance and respect of other religions and faith.
It is NOT interfering or imposing r mocking other faith n religion.
Pluralism for this website is welcoming one n all to criticize our Ismaili
religion and faith.
For example one Shariati with zero enrichment, criticizing our Faith pushing with the words of 5 pillars( one most know pillars of all past civilization got crushed.Even pillars are subject to test of time by ALI)
Pluralism does not means that this site is open to all manuscript n transcipts of Non english language being posted dime a dozen because it
is copy paste.
Try posting one Arabic manuscript page on a Christian or a Hindu website an see the pluralism.
Ground level is pluralism,but what ALI only decides will happen.
Warning is there in Quran.
Even the most iconic temple and figures do face test of ALI.
If happened in Uttarakhand with Ionic temple of Shiva (abode of God), a symbol of Hinduism last year.
Just 2 days back the giant statue of Jesus Christ (son of God) symbol of Christianity was singularly struck by lightening in Rio di Janerio in Brazil.making a crack on left arm and shoulder.
People are stumped with Acts of God in both the regions.
What more is in store one does not know.
Admin know what is he today but does not know what can be his tomorrow ( future) .
God bless pluralism of this website.
First of all Pluralism is not only bound by religion and faith. It also includes ethnic and cultural. Native language, our custom and values are part of it.nuseri wrote: Pluralism is acknowledgement.tolerance and respect of other religions and faith.
It is NOT interfering or imposing r mocking other faith n religion.
....
Pluralism does not means that this site is open to all manuscript n transcipts of Non english language being posted dime a dozen because it
is copy paste.
Are you suggesting what I post in Fasi is against our Tariqa? If so, then it shows your insecurity and how your thinking. You are already guarded and ready to attack! Why? because it's in you to pre-judge people. And this quality of yours doens't just stop in worldly matter, but also it carries into your religious belief too. But, who am I to tell you anything.
I am pretty sure there might be farsi-speaking users in this forum, and what I post in Farsi is verses from our noble great Dai's/Pir's and/or Imams. Just for your information, the following verse is from our very own Imam Nizar, who became Imam at age of 10 and He said that verse.
There are numerous Imams who ruled in Persia and Persian language has very rich works of our tariqa. Alas, you are not interested in seeking any!
تا نیست صدف قابل درّ ، قطره نریزم
تا نیست چمن لایق گل رشحه نبارم
So you are comparing verse said by Imam Nizar to 'an arabic manuscript posted in a christian/hindu site'? You see where ignorance get you? You are now comparing words of Imam to 'manuscript posted in hidu/christian site'nuseri wrote: Try posting one Arabic manuscript page on a Christian or a Hindu website an see the pluralism.
Ground level is pluralism,but what ALI only decides will happen.
Warning is there in Quran.