As Received:
Part of the declaration of Qiyamah by Mowlana Hassan Alazikrihis-Salam in Alamut on 8 August 1164 is found in these printable documents (French and English:
FRENCH VERSION
http://www.ismaili.net/source/1164-08-0 ... ion-fr.pdf
ENGLISh VERSION
http://www.ismaili.net/source/1164-08-0 ... on-eng.pdf
1164 August 8, Declaration of Qiyama in Alamut
The sermon does have a deep meaning,it would be true may b in future.
As said earlier by Imam that Shariat is like candle light against sunlight
(farmans n ibaadat).it may be near zero percent content in what we call as our Ismaili Tariqa.
The power n grace of Ibaadat .many many farmans r there to practice it.
this Baatin practice does require any body posturing or any monetary offering.ABSOLUTE BEAUTY OF ISMAILSM.
I personally frown on certain Khoja traditions.
In mathematical term,we Ismailies are already n nearly 98% unshackled from what is called Shariat. (nothing but beard,burqa n bomb blast).
I have been informed that in China earlier that Dua n offering was/is not there.They are in Zero Shariat. but very much in tariqat n haqiqat
To Admin:You r carrying TOO much crap.s...t,rubbish in your forums underbelly by postings of Non Ismailis.
You have on your forum, a person may b of of Ismaili parentage.
For me a person who does acknowledge,respect or follow Imams Farman
is a NON ISMAILI.
Other can hurt us from outside but these persons hurt our faith within our
premises are nothing less than a AASTIN KA SAAP.
After observing the postings.I feel the convinced Shariati was much better than a disgraced n shameless presumed Tariqati.
If this person can his own foto of his face may be 5 years back n is observing
his face n specially the whole ring around his eyes.it shades now in future.He should know what he is upto? n where his soul maybe headed.
Our is Baatin n Sufi path of faith n not totally Zahiri.
Only a Satan like personality would suggest things like petition,later on petitions in court of law n what not.
It would be wise to flush out anti Imam n futile n misleading Zahiri views
from the forum.
Your FORUM need to give out fragrance of Ismaili Intellect/ Baatin rather than odor of crap.junk n pure s...t OF EXCESSIVE OF NON ISMAILI POSTINGS.
As said earlier by Imam that Shariat is like candle light against sunlight
(farmans n ibaadat).it may be near zero percent content in what we call as our Ismaili Tariqa.
The power n grace of Ibaadat .many many farmans r there to practice it.
this Baatin practice does require any body posturing or any monetary offering.ABSOLUTE BEAUTY OF ISMAILSM.
I personally frown on certain Khoja traditions.
In mathematical term,we Ismailies are already n nearly 98% unshackled from what is called Shariat. (nothing but beard,burqa n bomb blast).
I have been informed that in China earlier that Dua n offering was/is not there.They are in Zero Shariat. but very much in tariqat n haqiqat
To Admin:You r carrying TOO much crap.s...t,rubbish in your forums underbelly by postings of Non Ismailis.
You have on your forum, a person may b of of Ismaili parentage.
For me a person who does acknowledge,respect or follow Imams Farman
is a NON ISMAILI.
Other can hurt us from outside but these persons hurt our faith within our
premises are nothing less than a AASTIN KA SAAP.
After observing the postings.I feel the convinced Shariati was much better than a disgraced n shameless presumed Tariqati.
If this person can his own foto of his face may be 5 years back n is observing
his face n specially the whole ring around his eyes.it shades now in future.He should know what he is upto? n where his soul maybe headed.
Our is Baatin n Sufi path of faith n not totally Zahiri.
Only a Satan like personality would suggest things like petition,later on petitions in court of law n what not.
It would be wise to flush out anti Imam n futile n misleading Zahiri views
from the forum.
Your FORUM need to give out fragrance of Ismaili Intellect/ Baatin rather than odor of crap.junk n pure s...t OF EXCESSIVE OF NON ISMAILI POSTINGS.
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shiraz.virani
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I thank you admin bhai personally....because of this topic I came across the teachings of al sijistani/ nasir khusraw and their interpretation of esoteric qayamah/qayamat.
http://ismailignosis.com/2012/12/24/eso ... ld-part-1/
Through the Qaim = Imam E Zaman, allah[swt] completes and elevates all souls.
Lord of reckoning = Imam E Zaman = Asas = Founder
Lord of shariah = Rasool[saw] and all other prophets[as] who were given scriptures = Natiq = Speaker/Teacher
The job of imam e zaman = Reward the souls [elevate them spiritually]
The job of Prophets[as] = Teach and build the foundation for the soul to go to level 2 and so on.
I also learned that the very purpose of prophets[as] was to prepare the soul for the arrival of QAIM = Imam E Zaman and as per nasir khusrow every seventh imam = Qaim Al Qayamah [which means he could start/stop a cycle [Ritual/kriya [to keep it simple]] or in other words he'z the one who brings the CHANGE
All Natiqs are always accompanied by Asas........The imams[as] = Asas are hujjat [proof] of allah[swt] on earth.
Asas = Imam e zaman = Spiritual father of all the souls
Natiq = Prophets[as]= Spiritual mother of all the souls
Now I know why MHI refers us = his spiritual children
http://ismailignosis.com/2012/12/24/eso ... ld-part-1/
Through the Qaim = Imam E Zaman, allah[swt] completes and elevates all souls.
Lord of reckoning = Imam E Zaman = Asas = Founder
Lord of shariah = Rasool[saw] and all other prophets[as] who were given scriptures = Natiq = Speaker/Teacher
The job of imam e zaman = Reward the souls [elevate them spiritually]
The job of Prophets[as] = Teach and build the foundation for the soul to go to level 2 and so on.
I also learned that the very purpose of prophets[as] was to prepare the soul for the arrival of QAIM = Imam E Zaman and as per nasir khusrow every seventh imam = Qaim Al Qayamah [which means he could start/stop a cycle [Ritual/kriya [to keep it simple]] or in other words he'z the one who brings the CHANGE
All Natiqs are always accompanied by Asas........The imams[as] = Asas are hujjat [proof] of allah[swt] on earth.
Asas = Imam e zaman = Spiritual father of all the souls
Natiq = Prophets[as]= Spiritual mother of all the souls
Now I know why MHI refers us = his spiritual children
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shiraz.virani
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FIRMAN :
Today, no longer does one need to seek
proof and clues. Today, no longer does Knowledge rest on signs [the
verses of a revealed Book], nor speech, nor symbols, nor body-bending acts of devotion. Today, actions and words, signs and symbols have been brought to their term of terms. Whosoever has laid eyes upon the Essence2 in person, has gazed upon the whole of the signs and clues of all revelations, whilst that which he knew through names and attributes was in fact their reverse and inverse – that which was yet veiled.
Real actual understanding of the firman @ below :
With respect to the abrogation of the shariah at the time of Qiyamah, Nasir-i Khusraw (as per Khwan al-Ikhwan) explains that the sharī‘ah of Prophet Muḥammad has two dimensions – the specified (waḍ‘i) shariah and the intellectual (aqli) shariah. The specificed sharī‘ah refers to specific formal or ritual practices as Ṣalah (ritual prayer), Ṣawm (ritual fasting), Wudu (ablution), Hajj (pilgrimage), etc. in their exoteric form – without which mankind can still survive and function.
The intellectual shariah refers to moral and ethical laws such as the laws against murder, stealing, and unethical behavior – without which humanity would plunge into chaos.
In the above firman, our imam abolished specified shariah without which a soul can still elevate itself...and not intellectual shariah without which there's no spiritual progress.
Atlast I got my answer
Today, no longer does one need to seek
proof and clues. Today, no longer does Knowledge rest on signs [the
verses of a revealed Book], nor speech, nor symbols, nor body-bending acts of devotion. Today, actions and words, signs and symbols have been brought to their term of terms. Whosoever has laid eyes upon the Essence2 in person, has gazed upon the whole of the signs and clues of all revelations, whilst that which he knew through names and attributes was in fact their reverse and inverse – that which was yet veiled.
Real actual understanding of the firman @ below :
With respect to the abrogation of the shariah at the time of Qiyamah, Nasir-i Khusraw (as per Khwan al-Ikhwan) explains that the sharī‘ah of Prophet Muḥammad has two dimensions – the specified (waḍ‘i) shariah and the intellectual (aqli) shariah. The specificed sharī‘ah refers to specific formal or ritual practices as Ṣalah (ritual prayer), Ṣawm (ritual fasting), Wudu (ablution), Hajj (pilgrimage), etc. in their exoteric form – without which mankind can still survive and function.
The intellectual shariah refers to moral and ethical laws such as the laws against murder, stealing, and unethical behavior – without which humanity would plunge into chaos.
In the above firman, our imam abolished specified shariah without which a soul can still elevate itself...and not intellectual shariah without which there's no spiritual progress.
Atlast I got my answer
To Non Ismaili:
There is no picture of Admin or his full name on the website.
He is unseen in this forum,Only his writings n expression are seen in the forum.
You call him Adminbhai.How are so sure that Admin is a Bhai a male gender
not a female gender?
the word can b Behan,sister or madam or baima for Admin.
Sorry Admin your that gender is questioned by me?
For me.
'AAPKA JIGAR(COURAGE) DEKH KAR,AAP JAROOR MARD KE BACCHE HO'.
Still the words 'AAP' n 'BACHEE' can b changed,once your gender is confirmed.
There is no picture of Admin or his full name on the website.
He is unseen in this forum,Only his writings n expression are seen in the forum.
You call him Adminbhai.How are so sure that Admin is a Bhai a male gender
not a female gender?
the word can b Behan,sister or madam or baima for Admin.
Sorry Admin your that gender is questioned by me?
For me.
'AAPKA JIGAR(COURAGE) DEKH KAR,AAP JAROOR MARD KE BACCHE HO'.
Still the words 'AAP' n 'BACHEE' can b changed,once your gender is confirmed.
Admin is a generic name. Who knows, maybe there are several Miss Admin, Mrs Admin and Mr Admin. Putting their photos on this site will just confuse the issue? Or maybe the web-master [can we say web-mistress?) is pretending to be the Admin but in reality he is no Admin, he is only web-masmis...something?
To Admin:He/She or taking the middle line as per your reply.
Your message from forensic angle gives it away , and grammatically from last two lines.
' He is no admin'.It should be word He/She or IT or they.
again 'He is only web-masmis.... something?'.
Is the word "something" here means transgender being?
Why you have used the word "HE" ,the correct word should be They,if you had wished to maintain the gender guess work.
'Truth cannot be Hidden'
'YAAR AAP NE NEE TO BANGDI PEN NAHI RAKHI HAI'.
MARD HO,YAAR MARDANGHI DIKHAOO.
YAAR AAP NE TO APNI HASTI KO KYA KAR DIYE ?
Your message from forensic angle gives it away , and grammatically from last two lines.
' He is no admin'.It should be word He/She or IT or they.
again 'He is only web-masmis.... something?'.
Is the word "something" here means transgender being?
Why you have used the word "HE" ,the correct word should be They,if you had wished to maintain the gender guess work.
'Truth cannot be Hidden'
'YAAR AAP NE NEE TO BANGDI PEN NAHI RAKHI HAI'.
MARD HO,YAAR MARDANGHI DIKHAOO.
YAAR AAP NE TO APNI HASTI KO KYA KAR DIYE ?
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shiraz.virani
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Baba Nuseri said :
I call admin = bhai [by default] in the same way WE call ALLAH[swt] = MALE/HE [by default]
Neither of us are sure about allah[swt] or admin bhai's gender [All we could do is GUESS]
Nuseri isko bolte hai "Jaisa gaal waisa tamacha"
Ab aaya ooth pahaad ke neeche, heheheYou call him Admin bhai. How are you so sure that Admin is a Bhai a male gender not a female gender?
I call admin = bhai [by default] in the same way WE call ALLAH[swt] = MALE/HE [by default]
Neither of us are sure about allah[swt] or admin bhai's gender [All we could do is GUESS]
Nuseri isko bolte hai "Jaisa gaal waisa tamacha"
There are several Admins and some are men and some are femelle but none is both at the same time. Hope this clears the question.
All of the Admins believe in the Imam in the same way, they believe that each Imam is the same Light and Mowla Alazikrihis Salam is the same Light as Mowlana Ali or Mowlana Shah Karim or Mowlana Hakim. And this is why their postings are consistent always.
This amusing discussion will be deleted in 24 hours to keep this thread clean and to the subject.
All of the Admins believe in the Imam in the same way, they believe that each Imam is the same Light and Mowla Alazikrihis Salam is the same Light as Mowlana Ali or Mowlana Shah Karim or Mowlana Hakim. And this is why their postings are consistent always.
This amusing discussion will be deleted in 24 hours to keep this thread clean and to the subject.