Explaination needed of Koran Ayat.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:59 am

Shiraz is all rounder only language he doesn't know is Hibru.!!!

ismaili103 · Post by **ismaili103** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:21 am

there is link...

https://picasaweb.google.com/empyrean.h ... 3977424770

but for read this u need glasses...

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:21 pm

there is link...

https://picasaweb.google.com/empyrean.h ... 3977424770

but for read this u need glasses...icon_smile.gif icon_razz.gif

Thanks a lot bro ...Since this firman book is banned or discontinued it was hard for me to get hold of it...Thanks once again and dont worry I already have my reading glasses on

hehe

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:07 pm

Have been slowly reading the Quran. There are many many Ayats stating on life after life,skin after skin,raised to life.
Only planet supporting soul in human body is Earth.no other planet names are mentioned.
So to be rewarded or punished or see God/Allah (Ali+lah).
Both the entity needs to be on Earth.

The beauty of Quran is if you are reading at Zahiri level .you are in presence and reading the past and if you explore it at Baatin level u feel like living in it and reading the future.

One Ayat which caught my eye is Sura 19 n Ayat 76.

"And Allah(Ali+Lah) doth advance in guidance those who seek Guidance:
and the thing That endure good Deeds,Are the best in the sight Of thy
Lord,as rewards,And best in respect of (their) eventual returns.

This Ayat openly implies God as a Male Living Entity in Human form who can SEE n give guidance to those who seek it. the word 'returns' is also is plural form.

I will end with couplet of Dai Nasir Khusraw.

"YOU ARE THE FACE OF QURAN, MY LORD ALI"

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:42 pm

EID MUBARAK TO ALL.

There is a important Ayat I have noticed.

It is Sura 23 n Ayat no 17.

"And we have made above you seven tracts,and We Are never unmindful
of (Our) Creation."
The words SEVEN tracts?
Before that I wish to know from members it's meaning as interpreted generally.

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:59 pm

One Ayat which caught my eye is Sura 19 n Ayat 76.

"And Allah(Ali+Lah) doth advance in guidance those who seek Guidance:
and the thing That endure good Deeds,Are the best in the sight Of thy
Lord,as rewards,And best in respect of (their) eventual returns.

This Ayat openly implies God as a Male Living Entity in Human form who can SEE n give guidance to those who seek it. the word 'returns' is also is plural form.

Openly implies god as a male entity ??? ...How ???....How do you come up with that idea or interpretation ??...The above aayat does not talk about his gender but instead momins who walk on str8 path and do good deeds.

To see something does allah[swt] need human eyes ??
To give guidance does allah[swt] needs a human body ?? How did he communicate with H.Musa[as] ??

kindly explain !?!?

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:56 pm

The words SEVEN tracts?

Seven tracts are often interpreted as seven heavens mentioned in quran

please refer to 2:29, 65:12, 67:3, 71:15, 78:12

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:25 pm

Allah does not have any shape nor any gender,Allah is a light, energy it is here it is in Pakistan , you can name any name you like but so far nobody has claimed he/she has seen Allah.

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:43 pm

I have 3 simple questions to primary students of our Ismaili religious classes.Please answer in one word for each.

1.In a event known as 'Mehraj'.It is firmly believed that Nabi Mohammed
(PBUH). saw spoke to n heard Allah, what was the gender of Allah,Was it male or female entity at that time?

2. Our first Imam Hazrat/Moula ALI was a male or a female person?

3.Many many religious n sacred books n scriptures It is written in general
"To HIM we return ".Is the word HIM, a male or a female word?

KAYNAT KA BADSHAH TAKTH PE KOI BANGDI PEEN KE BETHA NAHI.

AAPKI SAMAJ AAPKA IMAAN

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:28 am

To the Ayat of seven tracts
There are many ayats stating the words as' tracts' above one after birth n heavens.
It is commonly known that heaven n hell is the state of the mind of the person.
Study of Science has shown that there is no life except earth and there is near zero oxygen beyond 35000 ft above sea level.
Leave alone the first heaven.the soul cycles it self from over million years in this planet only.
The Seven heavens in Baatin understanding is seven level of Intellect,A scholar can find it in good academic way from Henry Corbin book on 'seven'
and must reading for Ismailis a book called 'Ideals n Realities of Islam' by Syed Husien Nasir.
The soul is given every opportunity to achieve to upto the stage of Tahwid,to be one with God.

The seven level are:
1.Ignorance,where a person is same as an animal.(There are Farmans Of Imam SMS on those lines)
2.Common sense.
3 .Rational sense.
4.Rational sense with emotional IQ.(i.e that is teenager who has rational sense but feeling short of money decides to commit a robbery.He is not aware if caught if would change his whole direction n track of Life.This
person lacks what is called as Emotional IQ).
5.Intelligence of reading (Haqiqati Samaj)
6.Intelligence of experience ( Haqiqati Ehsaas).
7.Gnosis .Tawhid/Knowledge with God.
The first five heavens is achieved by person himself with Knowledge of the creator n his Creations(science),but the next two heaven (of Pirantan n prophecy by Humans) can also be achieved by persons only by the Grant n wish of Allah(Ali+ Lah) .
We Ismailis are blessed upto level of 6th heaven if we truly know our Imam.
There is also I read somewhere to the fifth,sixth cycle of prophecy.
with Moses as 5 th level ,who could talk n hear God but not see him.
and Jesus at 6 th level of Jesus Christ,who was a spiritual son of God,who call his Allah,his holy/spiritual Father.( we Ismailis are blessed upto that level).An Entity ALI no less than God call us his Spiritual children n by default he becomes our Spiritual Father.
The final seal of prophecy Of Nabi Mohammed (PBUH).from whom the God spoke n narrated the Quran.He spoke in person n also SAW God.

I feel that there might be sagas n saint who must have said that heaven is the state of the mind of the person.Somebody did mention that in an earlier posting

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:56 pm

Baba nuseri, I asked you a very simple question but instead of answering it you chose to put forth some more questions [as usual] ...So once again I would remind you to please stick to the topic.

If you know the answer regarding gender of allah[swt] in the particular verse that you have provided then please do so, if not then simply say you don't.

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:15 pm

Study of Science has shown that there is no life except earth and there is near zero oxygen beyond 35000 ft above sea level.

Are you talking about the very same science who said we were monkey's 1st and evolved later on ??

And also if heaven and hell is only our state of mind then would you kindly explain to use what allah[swt] meant @ verse below ??

42:29 And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the living creatures that He has scattered through them: and He has power to gather them together when He wills.

The seven level are:
1.Ignorance,where a person is same as an animal.(There are Farmans Of Imam SMS on those lines)
2.Common sense.
3 .Rational sense.
4.Rational sense with emotional IQ.(i.e that is teenager who has rational sense but feeling short of money decides to commit a robbery.He is not aware if caught if would change his whole direction n track of Life.This
person lacks what is called as Emotional IQ).
5.Intelligence of reading (Haqiqati Samaj)
6.Intelligence of experience ( Haqiqati Ehsaas).
7.Gnosis .Tawhid/Knowledge with God.
The first five heavens is achieved by person himself with Knowledge of the creator n his Creations(science),but the next two heaven (of Pirantan n prophecy by Humans) can also be achieved by persons only by the Grant n wish of Allah(Ali+ Lah) .
We Ismailis are blessed upto level of 6th heaven if we truly know our Imam.

There is also I read somewhere to the fifth,sixth cycle of prophecy.
with Moses as 5 th level ,who could talk n hear God but not see him.

Just a quick correction here !!...Allah[swt] warns him[h.musa[as]] that his noor is sooo immensely powerful tthat if h.musa[as] is to see him, he would die or be blinded on the spot !!!...I think this incident is mentioned in holy quran.

I feel that there might be sagas n saint who must have said that heaven is the state of the mind of the person.Somebody did mention that in an earlier posting

So what is your view of the person who commits sins all his life...what will happen to him if heaven and hell is mere state of mind ??

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:22 pm

I am covering the Ayat on Heavens.There may be over 100 Ayats of warning n punishment to the sinners.The very first posting of this topic did cover the part of it.

Just today.ALI helped to open the Quran randomly.The page opened by me got me to a BLOCKBUSTER of Ayats

It is Surah 55 n short Ayats no 26,27,28 n 29.

26. All that is on earth Will perish:

27.But will abide (forever)
The Face of thy Lord
Full of Majesty,
Bounty and Honour.

28.Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

29.Of him seeks(it need)
Every creature in the heavens
And on Earth:
Everyday in (new) Splendour
Doth He (shine).

If this verses are shown to any primary class student.
He/She will points the words: Lord, Him and He in above verses are referring to a MALE person or Entity.
Your Lord Krishna who authoritatively defined himself as GOD/Allah, I presume was a male person.
The beauty of these Ayats:
uses the word on Earth;
The "Face" of thy Lord.
Will shine in Splendour everyday.
Allah himslef declares he has a majestic Face.
This definetely to points out that Allah is there on Earth with a Face.the word 'everyday' implies a living entity. the words 'majesty n honour' is used for humans.

This lines to be honest IS giving me blessed Didar of ALI/Allah/ Hazar Imam,whilst I am typing on my Laptop.

There is a Farman Of Hazar Imam read out regularly to,when you try to read the Quran understand the Baatin
Of Quran and read it with Baatin perspective.

To end with couplet from Qasida.

'YOU ARE THE FACE OF QURAN MY LORD ALI''

We do find two word that is Face n Lord from above Ayats.

A person need absolute IMAAN to believe this couplet line.

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:57 pm

There is an Ayat which is from Surah 22 n Ayat no 2.

Day ye shall see it.
Every mother giving suck
Shall forget her suckling babe.
And every pregnant female shall
drop her load (unformed).
Thou shall see the mankind
As in drunken roit,
Yet not drunk:but dreadful
Will be the Wrath ofAllah.

These Ayat is saying about modern times of today.
In the world when mothers are abandoning thier new born child.
It is highest in South Africa.
when a female goes for abortion ,which may be due to unwarranted or unethical
sex earlier.
Drunken riot,but more dreadful than(alcohol) drinks is illegal use of Drugs of all kind.
The wrath of Allah here is the dreaded AIDS virus,a suffering where no cure has been found.
Incidentally South Africa is the AIDS capital of the world.

KHUDA KA EK JAROOR NIYAM HAI.
JAISE KARNI WAISE BHARNI.

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:41 pm

“First of all as regards to the idea of divinity of God: a great deal of the Quran is taken up with God’s intimate presence in the world, with the importance of each human being’s relations with the Creator, but only in one chapter-the chapter on Light – is the nature of the divinity referred to in a very clear form. Although, of course, we do not believe that the person of the Creator is a form of light, either in waves or in the minutest association of myriads of points, yet the consequence of the light as seen in the universe, is the nearest we can imagine or hope to believe about the person of our Creator.”

Imam Sulatan Muhammad Shah
(Reincarnation or Companionship on High? Africa Ismaili Kisumu Supplement, March 28, 1969)
Read the Full Source Here: http://www.amaana.org/sultweb/companion.htm

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:02 pm

To know the truth n essence of our Ismaili faith. we have to to blessed to understand Farmans address to us and NOT to follow in toto
the speeches made by an Entity(as Agakahan)( he has 5 levels from seer point of seeing. for wider Audience.
Speeches may b for the academics n Farmans for the believer.
Please do not use speeches to fall bak/escape from truth of Farmans of the same Imam.

There is an Ayat, I do not have the copy n Ayat number now.
which says ''Allah(Ali +Lah ) is Living".
I just cannot imagine that a clever human being can be living,but his creator should be unliving or dead or unseen null n void n what not,because his thinking faculty make him think that way or it's heart is veiled.

Admin,as Quran cannot be posted all in one posting.I wish to open a new post.

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:36 pm

As I have been reading Quran.I observed that Ayats of warnings,signs n wrath Of Allah(Ali+Lah) is twice than the Ayats of Grace to believers .

There are few Ayats,I may not be able to pinpoint one,Nevertheless have shortlisted two of them as his Sign of warning.

Recently a calamity struck in Uttarakhand in India.Just ONE cloud burst n deluge n land slide of 3 hours had half of the state destroyed n over 5500++ people dead.

These were pilgrim sites,supposed to be abode of the Gods of Hindus.
In a matter of a Day since last 2000 years ,the most desired places to visit became the most scariest place to visit.

A recent article few days back stated that 20% of believers who strongly desired pilgrimage to Uttarakhand said that they would now spend the same time n money in cause of humanity.

Just read the newspaper few days back. A virus unknown to Human till end of 2012 named in May 13 as MERS. The middle east respiratory syndrome corona Virus.It is reported to be origin from Saudi Arabia.
Out of 94 people affected with virus ,47 of them have died.It is said to be incurable as for now.It has 50% mortality ratio.

WHO has advised that ALL Umra or Hajj pilgrims consult doctors before traveling.

God/Ali can strike in different/unique ways even in the heart of most sacred places on this earth.
I am not hinting at any thing, but signs of GOD are visible for the believers.

ALI KA EK JAROOR NIYAM HAI.
JAISE KARNI WAISE BHARNI.

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:30 pm

God/Ali can strike in different/unique ways even in the heart of most sacred places on this earth.
I am not hinting at any thing, but signs of GOD are visible for the believers.

I dunno whether I should be mad at you or feel sorry for you.

The biggest sign of Imam of the time being an imam and not allah[swt] was clearly seen by millions of ismailis around the world when innocent people [ismailis] were killed in his own house [jamatkhana]....If ali[as] can strike in different and unique ways as per you then what was he doing ??...The quran that you supposedly read says that any work is very easy for allah[swt]...If he says BE its done !!

What was he doing when this incident happened ??....If he is truely god as you claim him to be then why is it that a spiritual father could not even help his very own spiritual children ??

If god can help H.Issa[as] when he was being crucified why not his other spiritual children then ?? God is all knowing right ???

Im not even going to other sects because as per you they are way beloooow your lever...understood !!.. But what about our own sect of islam which has the living imam who as per you is GOD...What was this god doing nuseri ???

I told you before and Im saying it today....

Imam is imam
God is god

Lemme remind you this one more time...There are few REGULAR ismailis like me who treat imam = guide = who interprets quran and guides us with principles laid down in it [which of course imam does]...I have always said that Imam is the source or river as per you and allah[swt] is the destination or the ocean as per you.

Now if you go to ganga river and say look this is indian ocean you'll become a laughing stock.

Forget about this example...do you know that in the very same quran allah[swt] mentions how he seperates salt water from sweet ??...Look at the beauty of quran here ...when even water can be seperated by all knowing why then make a fool of youself and other ismailis and try to make them into some kind of idol worshippers ???

This reminds me of the scene from the movie "oh my god"...

watch it from 5:17

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XTj8DAMO70

This is another sign for people around the world that god does not reside in any mandir, masjid, church or even jamatkhana but instead god resides in our heart.

Faith lies in preferring truth to falsehood even when the truth might lead to harm and falsehood might lead to any advantage.

Imam Ali [as]

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:49 pm

There Is a Farman of Imam SMS. that Zahiri's who are non Ismailis will bray n bark at our Baatin concept of our Faith.There may be some informed non Ismailis disliker of Imams masking as an Ismaili on the net.SO BE IT.

There are few Ayat showing the Splendour of Allah of making river with sweet and Ocean with salty water the main differentiators.he say he had made the Oceans n not 'HE is the Ocean.

There are two beauty of Ayats with clarity:

The first is surah 40 Ayat no 65.

" He is the Lliving (One)
There in no God but He,
Call upon Him,giving HIm
Sincere devotion.Praise be
to Allah (ALI+Lah).Lords of the world.

In just 5 short lines the male gender words comes 5 times.
It straight forward defines a Living Entity.

Surah 47 n Ayat no 17.

" But to those who receive
Guidance,He increases
The (light of) Guidance.
And bestows on them
Their Piety and Restraints
(from evil).

After Quran,who is 'HE'? there to give Guidance n increase it.
These Ayat defines the Ismailis in Toto.
In the Ayat of Noor. the actual Baatin maina Of Light after Light is Imam after Imam.

Now to the previous spine chilling posting. The short listed Ayats are as below.

Surah 42 n Ayat no 16:

" But those who dispute
Concerning Allah (Ali+ Lah) after He
Had been accepted.
Futile is their dispute In the sight of
Their Lord:on them
is the Wrath.and for them Will be a Penalty terrible.

Surah no 39 Ayats no 25-26.

Those before them (also)
Rejected (revelation ),and so
The punishment came to them
From directions they did not perceive.

So Allah(Ali+Lah) gave them
A taste Of humiliation.
In the present life.
But greater of the Hereafter.
If they only knew.

I will end with a verse form Ginan:

AHMED WO JO MARD HAI JO CHARD KAR MARE MAIDAN REE.
AHMED ALI ALI BOLIYA,PECHEE HONI HOI SOI HOI REE.

Shamati · Post by **Shamati** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:44 am

nuseri wrote:I have 3 simple questions to primary students of our Ismaili religious classes.Please answer in one word for each.

1.In a event known as 'Mehraj'.It is firmly believed that Nabi Mohammed
(PBUH). saw spoke to n heard Allah, what was the gender of Allah,Was it male or female entity at that time?

2. Our first Imam Hazrat/Moula ALI was a male or a female person?

3.Many many religious n sacred books n scriptures It is written in general
"To HIM we return ".Is the word HIM, a male or a female word?

KAYNAT KA BADSHAH TAKTH PE KOI BANGDI PEEN KE BETHA NAHI.

AAPKI SAMAJ AAPKA IMAAN

The reason God is refered to as male is similar to the reason one refers to a a part giving electrical voltage as male (or positive) and the part recieving electrical voltage as female (negative)
God is beyond gender, but God is a constant creator of the universe, God continuosly "generates" the existence of the universe. The Archetype of a spiritual reality that "generates" is usually described in Male terms. Similarly, the Archetype of a spiritual reality that "recieves" creative force is often referred to as Female. For example the "Holy Spirit" is often termed in female terms (Shekhina in judaism, Kundalini in hinduism/buddhism) because the Holy Spirit recieves the creative energies of God and distributes it across creation. So when a human recieves the Holy Spirit, it is a creative energy of God which mankind has come to known as the Holy Spirit.

But as I understand it, Islam avoids to speak of a Holy Spirit in terms as separate from Allah because it might imply 2 separates and the fact that God is One is a very important tenet of Islam. The Holy Spirit is not separate of God but contained in the One reality of God

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:05 pm

Baba Nuseri, I asked you one simple question and instead of answering it...You seem to be running and trying to hide behind holy aayats of holy quran which is of no regard for you.

I wonder why you're running from my straight forward question ??....If Ali[as] is allah AS PER YOU, then what was Ali[as] doing when his own spiritual children were killed in his very own house [jamatkhana] and that to when they [spiritual children] were praying ???

NUSERI said :

There Is a Farman of Imam SMS. that Zahiri's who are non Ismailis will bray n bark at our Baatin concept of our Faith.There may be some informed non Ismailis disliker of Imams masking as an Ismaili on the net.SO BE IT.

The people who died in his house were baatini right ??
They understood the whole concept of ali allah right ??
They prayed to him with all devotion in JK right ??

In short they came to the jamat khana to seek peace, right ??? ...What happened to peace if there is any in the house of god [as per you]??

People who prayed to him for peace were delivered in pieces , why nuseri ??.....What was the fault of that innocent child and his mother who died ??....Is your concept of ali allah really makes ali = allah ?? or Is it something that idol worshippers like you have made him into one ??

My present imam never ever claimed divinity...it is people like you who associate him with allah[swt]

We, Ahlul Bayt (chosen descendants of the Holy Prophet), hold such central and balancing position in religion that those who are deficient in understanding and acting upon its principles, will have to come to us for reformation, and those who are overdoing it have got to learn moderation from us.

Imam Ali[as]

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:31 pm

Shamati said :

The reason God is refered to as male is similar to the reason one refers to a a part giving electrical voltage as male (or positive) and the part recieving electrical voltage as female (negative)

Very well said sir !!!

God is beyond gender

Exactly !!!....God is above all that we associate him with.

But as I understand it, Islam avoids to speak of a Holy Spirit in terms as separate from Allah because it might imply 2 separates and the fact that God is One is a very important tenet of Islam. The Holy Spirit is not separate of God but contained in the One reality of God

The holy spirit in islam is used for different terms at different point... I personally dont think that islam avoids speaking anything about holy spirit, infact it has

32:9

"But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His Spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!

38:72

"When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My Spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him.

At one stage it calls angel jibraeel/ gabriel as holy spirit

16:102

Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the Revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.

and in another surah allah[swt] says :

5:110

"Then will God say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favor to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the Holy Spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'

Post by **Admin** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:54 pm

shiraz.virani wrote:
People who prayed to him for peace were delivered in pieces , why nuseri ??.....What was the fault of that innocent child and his mother who died ??....Is your concept of ali allah really makes ali = allah ?? or Is it something that idol worshippers like you have made him into one ??

Though your question is directed to Nuseiri, let me reply to your question by another question: Are you saying that people who pray to Allah do not get cut into pieces? They do all the time in Sunni masjid and Shia masjid in Pakistan, Iraq, Syria etc... So if you think Ali is sleeping, is Allah also sleeping or are they both sleeping?

Obviously not!

You reasoning is completely flawed.

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:48 pm

Are you saying that people who pray to Allah do not get cut into pieces?

Admin bhai, if you would please allow me to.

The point here is most of the sunni's and shia's that you're talking about believe in allah[swt] = UNSEEN

where as

As per nuseri ALI = MHI = LIVING/MANIFEST IMAM = ALLAH[swt]

You see the biggest difference between the two is that the backward/zahiri muslims [as per nuseri] are on a wrong track because they don't have a living human GOD with them like ismailis do.

Let's just agree that nuseri is right so then what was this living god doing at the time when this disaster strike ??

Ofcourse other 70 or 71 sects of islam pray to allah[swt] =UNSEEN and at times even they suffer severely but then again the difference is they don't have an upper hand i.e ALI ALLAH = HUMAN DEMI GOD [as per nuseri]....They dont have local, regional and national council that can get in touch with allah[swt]....And another reason [AS PER NUSERI] could be that they're not baatini's hence cannot comprehend allah[swt]

I mean people who don't pray to ali[as], why should ali[as] help them , right ???.....But what about those who pray to ali[as] ?? ...Why din't ali allah [as per nuseri] help his own spiritual children ??

Our imam never claimed to be god or god head....He never claimed divinity...why then act stupid and give him a bad name ?? Am I asking too much ??

So if you think Ali is sleeping, is Allah also sleeping or are they both sleeping?

Absolutely not !!!....Where else can we find an answer to your question but the holy quran....Allah[swt] said in holy quran :

11:8

If We delay the Penalty for them for a definite term, they are sure to say "What keeps it back?" Ah! on the day it (actually) reaches them, nothing will turn it away from them, and they will be completely encircled by that which they used to mock at!

I would humbly request all my brothers and sister to simply think .... Right from our 1st imam....Imam ali[as] who was poisoned to our 6th imam who had to flee leaving his father and family..... to fatimids who again have to flee in order to save their lives....and all the way till the 46th imam who again had to run to protect his life..........Does allah[swt] have to do all this ?? Would allah[swt] run to protect himself from any danger ??....If yes then what kind of god is he ??

The allah[swt] which I believe in does not sleep admin bhai...but I fall under that low category muslims who don't even know how he looks like....But NUSERI does ??....Then why can't NUSERI answer my simple question as to what ali allah was doing at the time of this incident ??

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:46 pm

Every act of human being or a group is because of Satanic virtues imbedded in that group at that time n period.A person a one life

Killings and massacre have taken place in numbers of the faithfuls of many religions during Imams of the past and today.

You are like a dust (a faithless person) under a feet of a faithful.
" IMAAN VAGAR NO MANAS ,DHUR MISAL CHEE.

You are trying to challenge each n every of adverse nature/micro event to be intervened by God/Ali.

There is 1000% percent action on the EVERY grave sinner upon his death n( before death , if Law punishes them when caught). with their hell term going over 1000 year n beyond maybe.
there are many Ayats in Quran stating that.

There are also sign/warning of God/ALI on Humanity.which is visible caused by nature/illness etc.
It is not very easy to co- relate those Ayats on every micro horrific crime taking place on the earth.

Let me assure NATURE is SURELY moving in at it's own Pace.
You personally are in a zone,which I firmly stand by n preach

NAFRAT ALI PEE HAI AAFAT TUMARI.
SHAQUE ALI PEE HAI KASOTI TUMARI.

You are living today,if somebody does knows you in person.Answer will be visible on you in few decades from now and definitely before Death.
After Death It is 1000% is sure shot

Post by **Admin** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:47 pm

shiraz.virani wrote:
Admin bhai, if you would please allow me to.

The point here is most of the sunni's and shia's that you're talking about believe in allah[swt] = UNSEEN

where as

As per nuseri ALI = MHI = LIVING/MANIFEST IMAM = ALLAH[swt]

Obviously Nuseiri is completely wrong. He is trying to explain the Light which Ismaili see in Ali to someone who can only see the body.

Nuseiri, in my humble opinion, is taking to the wrong people. How is he going to explain what the Sun that he sees is, to a blind who has never seen the sun nor is interested in learning about it.

Obviously the Light of the Imam is as much "UNSEEN" as the Light of Allah.

A person that I know even said none of these Lights exist because he is certain that he can not see that Light and therefore it does not exist

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Tue Aug 20, 2013 3:43 am

As I am reading Quran at slow pace n not completed it yet.
I wish to know from anybody
Ayats from Quran only n not any OTHER reference.

Where in Allah (Ali+Lah) specifically says about himself :

HE IS UNSEEN
HE IS A UNSEEN ENTITY/CREATOR.

Please reply on above related Ayats only.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:15 am

The example of attack on Jamat khana is not making sense here. Throughout the history enemies have persecuted Ismailis in different ways. Admin has rightly given example that there have been many attacks in mosques as well. Terrorists have attacked not only mosques, but also shrines of sufi saints, imam bargahs, churches, temples etc. All the places of worship are believed by their followers to be the house of God, who is alive and present. Karachi at present has become centre of terrorist activities and if you watch news then you will come to know that bomb blasts in Karachi have become a routine. People so often lose their lives because of bomb blasts in market, shopping plazas, buses, streets, offices etc. I think the lady and her child were truly blessed that they passed away in Jamat Khana and become martyred.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:20 am

@Nuseri....one of the name of Allah is Batin which means hidden, unmanifest

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:24 am

I think we should respect every individual or religious community and should never be judgmental. If some calamity occurs, we should show our sympathy instead of being judgmental. I think the example of Uttarkhand is out of context quoted.