Is Quran compilation complete?

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nuseri
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Post by nuseri »

To zznoor:

Every Page of Farmans Of r Bolta Quran is WORTH more than 100 pages OF HOLY BOOK.

It looks like u are doing home work at 3.30 am Boston time.so this forum
has started giving u sleepless nights.

Majority of the 70 % of the world population sees the the major part of Shariati ranging from IMPROPER TO ABSOLUTELY ROTTEN HUMAN BEINGS'.
Hear the verdict from the living world.

U fight with country no 1 then no 7 then no 11 upto no 172 of them.B careful Uncle Sam is watching your radical n orthodox conviction n acts

What our Imams have said about Quran is privy to us.NO NEED TO PICK FEW ISOLATED SENTENCES TO MIS REPRESENT IT.
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Post by zznoor »

Every Page of Farmans Of r Bolta Quran is WORTH more than 100 pages OF
Holy book
please concentrate on Farman. Do not concern yourself with holy book of Muslims.

It looks like u are doing home work at 3.30 am Boston time.so this forum
has started giving u sleepless nights.
no I am up for Fajr prayers, as per our holy book we are suppose to pray 5 times a day

Majority of the 70 % of the world population sees the the major part of Shariati ranging from IMPROPER TO ABSOLUTELY ROTTEN HUMAN BEINGS'.
Hear the verdict from the living world.

you should mind your business.

U fight with country no 1 then no 7 then no 11 upto no 172 of them.B careful Uncle Sam is watching your radical n orthodox conviction n acts

What our Imams have said about Quran is privy to us.NO NEED TO PICK FEW ISOLATED SENTENCES TO MIS REPRESENT IT.
you are telling me your Imam is a Hippocrate?
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What better proof than "Bolta Quran No. 1". By not changing UQuran he approved it.
If Quran has not changed by our Imam now but it will be surely changed
so called Usman Quran soon or latter, that is for sure.
"Bolta Quran No. 2 Thru 47". has not published their version.
History revels that our various Imams tried to bring the correct/original/unchanged Quran on focus of public but Mullah, Molwi, Ulemas and hired puppet of Caliphs never gave them a chance to bring original and unchanged Quran to public, they did this because they knew that if original Quran comes in light then what would answer they will give to public about their changes and lied uttered by them about Hazarat Ali (s.a.)? This happened during the time of Muawia, Yazid Palit and Haroon Al-Rashid ( LANATULLAH RESPECTIVELY).[/quote]
"Bolta Quran No. 48". Did say that he has 10 additional chapters and will publish it.
He died without publishing it. God knows he had 10 chapters or not.
Totally lie sister, can you point out in which date and city our 48 Imam told that he will introduce 10 additional paras? He mentioned that there are 10 paras missing in Quran and one of day these paras will come on light but he never told that he will introduce it.
"Bolta Quran No. 49". has made no statement dishing U Quran. Credit for his forsight.
Because the time still has not come yet to talk about Usman and his changed Quran but eventually, soon or latter, slowly but surely and if not this imam then the next Ismaili Imam must have to have to talk about changed/corrupted/omitted/deleted Usman Quran, there is no doubt about this and this imam and this imam will surely introduce remaining 10 paras too.

Sister looks like you are really frustrated!!!???
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Nuseri,
Brother 'SAMJNE WALE KEY LIYE SIRF ISHARA KAFI HAI"
there is no different between MHI AND IN Allahs NOOR.
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Shiraz,
Thanks for your comment, be honest with you I have learned a lot from your posts too.
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agakhani wrote:
What better proof than "Bolta Quran No. 1". By not changing UQuran he approved it.
If Quran has not changed by our Imam now but it will be surely changed
so called Usman Quran soon or latter, that is for sure.
"Bolta Quran No. 2 Thru 47". has not published their version.
History revels that our various Imams tried to bring the correct/original/unchanged Quran on focus of public but Mullah, Molwi, Ulemas and hired puppet of Caliphs never gave them a chance to bring original and unchanged Quran to public, they did this because they knew that if original Quran comes in light then what would answer they will give to public about their changes and lied uttered by them about Hazarat Ali (s.a.)? This happened during the time of Muawia, Yazid Palit and Haroon Al-Rashid ( LANATULLAH RESPECTIVELY).

"Bolta Quran No. 48". Did say that he has 10 additional chapters and will publish it.
He died without publishing it. God knows he had 10 chapters or not.
Totally lie sister, can you point out in which date and city our 48 Imam told that he will introduce 10 additional paras? He mentioned that there are 10 paras missing in Quran and one of day these paras will come on light but he never told that he will introduce it.
"Bolta Quran No. 49". has made no statement dishing U Quran. Credit for his forsight.
Because the time still has not come yet to talk about Usman and his changed Quran but eventually, soon or latter, slowly but surely and if not this imam then the next Ismaili Imam must have to have to talk about changed/corrupted/omitted/deleted Usman Quran, there is no doubt about this and this imam and this imam will surely introduce remaining 10 paras too.

Sister looks like you are really frustrated!!!???
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Excuses, excuses, dream on, dream on. 1400 years ha passed and all BQ are silent. A fiction has been created.
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Excuses, excuses, dream on, dream on. 1400 years ha passed and all BQ are silent. A fiction has been created.
In my thinking I gave you decent and honest reply not an excuses but if you think that way then I don't have any problem for that.

Now let me give you little more information ( sorry, in your words another excuse) I personally think that the real Quran, along with 10 missing paras will be introduced once again by our 51th Imam this will not happen soon you have to waith till the next century by that time neither me or you will be alive but... this is going to happen, sister.
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Now let me give you little more information ( sorry, in your words another excuse) I personally think that the real Quran, along with 10 missing paras will be introduced once again by our 51th Imam this will not happen soon you have to waith till the next century by that time neither me or you will be alive but... this is going to happen, sister.
Dil Ko behlane ke liye yeh Khayal acchaa he.
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Post by nuseri »

History has shown that Imam proclaim when they wish to.

In the time of Moula ALI, the act on Nuseri showed who is GOD.
it's ok the time has gone and it is 1400 old story or imagination for some maybe.
Our Sufi Tariqa of Ismaili faith can n will show miracles performed by momins in the glare n watch of the world media.

A small time Sufi can freeze 10000 in few second by looking in their eyes as a starter.

Many Momin like me can develop few abilities.

It is the will n wish of our Imam thru his Nurani Hidayat 'WHEN'

Not one but few dozens momin can show miracles to the world as Hujjat of ALI, normal human beings will be shocked.

In a Farman of Imam SMS,he said that Mojija(miracles) amara momin karse.

If ALI could speak out of the Prophet, al hallaj and get nuseri to life this will be a simple order for him

Ismailism is a living Faith, but this time Insahallah ZAHURAT will happen in Full glare n scrutiny of the world media.

As for time n period Only ALI knows
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A small time Sufi can freeze 10000 in few second by looking in their eyes as a starter.
Hey nuseri my cousins live in gujarat [rajkot] and they have this huge electricity problem over there. Can you [if you know] please sent this so called small time sufi uncle over there so that they could use his help to freeze their refrigerator [so that the food doesn't get spolied] and keep their place cool

Also tell him that he'll be paid handsomely ;)


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Lot will happen in near future.

All jokers are in for a real cardiac attack.

To start with the reality WARNING of GOD will start with nature.
something akin is also said in Quran.

There is a speech of Hazar Imam on environment in which he concluded the speech with the words 'FUTURE SHOCK IS UPON US.'

I am trying to decode it ever since,but kept things to myself.

A person with deep understanding n able to know status of Ismaili Kalima mapping of the earths region will be convinced with the act n fury of GOD.
many recent abnormal calamities as Flash flood in North India

and recent heat wave in western USA (temp upto 57 degrees cal.
A real hell in making of the places like heavenly feelings like places i.e Uttarakhand and California/Arizona.

This is just for starters for the world.
The main dish is YET to come.

The power n grace of ALI is experienced by me.

Few year back because of my bold conviction .Few persons came to finish me off. I was alone and I just asked them kya hai? what is it?.They were all armed and I was scared for my family n not much for myself.They just froze still of many seconds and ran like as if hell is after them.
My conviction got bolder n irrevocable after that. I am advocating for Life giver(ALI) so the Death should be scared of me. So was the case of Nuseri 1450 years back.

HUM PAGAL NAHI JO 'ALI' KO KHUDA MANTE HAI.

BHAL BHALO KE FREEZING AUR ROASTING BHI HO JAYENGEE.
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Post by zznoor »

HUM PAGAL NAHI JO 'ALI' KO KHUDA MANTE HAI.

99% of Sunni Muslim and 95% of Shia Muslim will disagree with you

BHAL BHALO KE FREEZING AUR ROASTING BHI HO JAYENGEE.

Dream on Brother
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So was the case of Nuseri 1450 years back.
I hope that you are not considering your self 'AS A REBIRTH OF NUSRI'. if not then it is OK and I salute you towards your tremendous love on Hazarat Ali ( s.a.).

BTW, Many person in his/her lives encounter with some kind events like you described above, this kind events force them to believe in God, that is not new, I witnessed many times and read many times that this kind circumstances happened in their lives, it is not necessary that you have to have an Ismaili; brother all human being i.e. Sunny, Christian, Jews and Hindus are also experiencing same kind events too, I have my own experience with Aliallah but I do not want to disclose it here. believe me or not but now a days even scientist also started to accepting the presence of some unknown authority (God) which they think govern the whole universe without any mistakes. In my opinion you can call this unknown authority as a 'Noor', 'light', 'Allah', 'God' or 'Bhagwan', its doesn't matter, they all are same but different names.
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There is a speech of Hazar Imam on environment in which he concluded the speech with the words 'FUTURE SHOCK IS UPON US.'
Brother nuseri who is responsible for damaging our environment ?? Is it god or us ??
A person with deep understanding n able to know status of Ismaili Kalima mapping of the earths region will be convinced with the act n fury of GOD. many recent abnormal calamities as Flash flood in North India
It is not abnormal at all !!!....Have you seen where exactly that temple is located at ??....It is right in the middle of mountains and when theres a heavy down pour or cloud burst where will all the water accumulate ??

People were warned !!!...If you visit that temples website it cautions against undertaking the pilgrimage during the monsoon because of landslides. There were no barricades and on top of that all the residential places and hotels were situated on the banks of the river...Whose fault is it ??
and recent heat wave in western USA (temp upto 57 degrees cal.
A real hell in making of the places like heavenly feelings like places i.e Uttarakhand and California/Arizona.
If you read newspaper you would know that few years ago a nuclear reactor in japan started leaking....All the nuclear waste was dumped into the ocean whose journey ends on the west coast of USA. All that toxic waste still as of today sits on the banks of heavenly city that you mentioned. The radiation in the atmosphere can easily penetrate into our bodies and people living there are still not aware of this.

Now coming to Arizona...We all know that its a desert. But this is not the only factor. It's neighbor California has some big a** mountains that acts as a barricade of cool air that comes from the pacific ocean. There are many other reason too !!
This is just for starters for the world.
The main dish is YET to come.
And that is ??
HUM PAGAL NAHI JO 'ALI' KO KHUDA MANTE HAI.
Aksar har pagal bolta hai ke woh pagal nahi hai :)
BHAL BHALO KE FREEZING AUR ROASTING BHI HO JAYENGEE.
Isi baat pe aap ek restaurant khool lijiye...jahan par khaana/peena ishaaro mein hooga :lol:
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There is always a rational n scientific analysis to any natural calamity n disaster.

I was trying trying to understand the speech made many decades back ( THE FIVE WORDS WERE SIMPLE TO READ) .Just trying to know what could the period, regions intensity,frequency freaky nature n abnormality?

Many of it events is attributed to know called as 'Global warming' and locations in calamity n geological fragile/status prone area.

Well the FUTURE is there that such MANY MANY calamities defying ALL rational/science logics (blah blah blah) and it will give such a frequent SHOCKS to humanity

When humanity/rationalist will realize there is GOD and the event is related to it.
It is has never happened that 3 big continents are showing drought like scenario because of abnormal weather, baffling the scientist.

NO WORD OF IMAM GOES IN VAIN WHERE HE HAS MENTIONED THE WORD 'FUTURE.'

To virani:
I did not reply to the joke as the nature of posting was serious n understanding implications from many indications from Quran.

To freeze some senses a human is needed with eyes n ears n not a gadget

YOU need to help your relatives rationally n not metaphysically.A better suggestion get your spine repaired and start reusing your crutches.The money you will get by selling your WHEELCHAIR, you can surely buy a generator for them to power their need.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Moula ALI Madad
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To zznoor:

I noticed a small space posting now,usually it is very long.(hawking candles on wheelchair).

You are right. even my family members feel I am crazy many a times not because of my conviction but bold n blunt utterance.

Sometimes my daughter tell me about my craziness and I do get emotionally sad on it that even their lives also may be at risk.

What can a human being do when the SOUL is in absolute control of the senses rather than the mind of that person?

I am pleased to know that 1% of blessed Sunni's may not consider me mad.
I must congratulate them.
Are you with the majority?.
What the world thinks it is in their mind.
My soul has unified with mind n it is full of Bliss.
So the madness for the divine is part n parcel of a Sufi thinking n way of life.
so the 99% n 95% may be right at Zahiri level.

Your analysis is right if interpreted holistically n rationally.
God bless u as you kept the candles aside for a while.
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What can a human being do when the SOUL is in absolute control of the senses rather than the mind of that person?
Simple, any human being who is suffering with above symptoms he/she needs to take appointment with psychologist as soon as possible before it get too late. :roll:

I do not know that Shiraz is getting money for posting his comments in this website!! :roll:
NO WORD OF IMAM GOES IN VAIN WHERE HE HAS MENTIONED THE WORD 'FUTURE.'
Absolutely right bro same way no words of our great pirs goes in in vain and they already gave us future predictions 700 years ago?


1, Do you know our pirs mention about "Atom Bomb" ?
2, Do you know our pirs also mention Air plane!? 700 years ago!!
3, Do you know our pirs already give us date, time, month of Zahurat?
Interested person needs to read our great ginans, study of Imam's farmans and they can see the future same like we can see scenes in TV screens.
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1, Do you know our pirs mention about "Atom Bomb" ?
2, Do you know our pirs also mention Air plane!? 700 years ago!!
3, Do you know our pirs already give us date, time, month of Zahurat? Interested person needs to read our great ginans, study of Imam's farmans and they can see the future same like we can see scenes in TV screens.
Please Make appointment for 2 people with Shrink.
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agakhani wrote: 3, Do you know our pirs already give us date, time, month of Zahurat? [/b] Interested person needs to read our great ginans, study of Imam's farmans and they can see the future same like we can see scenes in TV screens.
that's nice. can you share the ginanic verse and the farman ?

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To Agakhani:
The books n practice of medical science is limited to mind and body of the human being and not of the soul.

Only recently the scientific community is studying the presentation of papers of Prostate Cancer 'may be' the disease of the Soul,EARLIER IT WAS DISMISSED. ( the word genetics is used).The presentation papers is given to them is from an uneducated person.

Who was in control on Prophet sayings?

Who was in control of Krishna sayings?

Who was the guiding force of Ginans of the Pirs?

I feel the list may go in hundreds for the Shrink.

I am absolutely ready,I have only ONE Condition.

PROVIDED the healer's(doctor) soul is 'ABOVE' this personalities.
Please forward me the contact of the Healer.

.You also been advised to see one by your dear sister .If needed I can give you the contact.

GUESS WHO????

SPIRITUAL INTELLECT IS MUCH MUCH MUCH BEYOND THINKING N IMAGINATION OF EVEN MOST EDUCATED HUMAN BEING.

HUME 'DIMAG' KA NAHI BALKE KE 'ROOH' KE DOCTOR
KI ELLAJ AUR DAVA CHAHIYE.

To zznoor:

Thanks for disclosing the percentage of Shariati crackpots existing on earth.
AAP KA ALLAH (ALI+ LAH) AAP KA RAMZAN SALAMAT RAKHE.
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Aswari (Manifestation) date is found in several ginans.

I remember that the year will be Chilotero Chamchar, the day: War Gurwar. Some place it says Thawer raat. Also Tith Satiema [Satima jo rojo day, 7th day of new moon] . Also Rohan Nakshatr [21 March?].

When all of these coincide in one particular day, that will be the Day.
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Admin wrote:Aswari (Manifestation) date is found in several ginans.

I remember that the year will be Chilotero Chamchar, the day: War Gurwar. Some place it says Thawer raat. Also Tith Satiema [Satima jo rojo day, 7th day of new moon] . Also Rohan Nakshatr [21 March?].

When all of these coincide in one particular day, that will be the Day.
One needs to study astrology in order to understand the date the Pir was talking about ;-)
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To Admin:
Ya Ali Madad.

It is better to understand the Farmans n speeches of our Imam with Baatin ability to make an opinion with confidence.

The verses of Ginan and to interpret it accurately does not sound rational n may look amusing to non believers

The background source of Ginans and astronomical matching is needed.

I personally feel that Farmans of the Imams has more to tell n indicate than the verses of Ginans.

I wish to know from Bhagats n Scholars if there is any mention of the words 'Rooh ka Doctor' or akin to it said by Imam SMS.
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that's nice. can you share the ginanic verse and the farman ?
"Me apne soneki jaal pani me kyo dalu?'


Any one who is interested to know exact day and date of Zahurat please shoot me an e-mail.

agakhani underscore 7660 at yahoo dot com
I will give you more detail on our ginans, on waez, on farmans and on my personal calculation.
but you have to prove me that you are an Ismailis.
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To virani:
I did not reply to the joke as the nature of posting was serious n understanding implications from many indications from Quran.
But you don't believe in the holy quran so what's your point ??
YOU need to help your relatives rationally n not metaphysically.A better suggestion get your spine repaired and start reusing your crutches.The money you will get by selling your WHEELCHAIR, you can surely buy a generator for them to power their need.
I dunno which planet you live on but I never knew a person could buy a generator by selling a wheel chair...hehehe

You said you do not reply to jokes but all your posts are nothing but a joke my friend. :lol:

Anyways have a great day !!!
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agakhani wrote:
that's nice. can you share the ginanic verse and the farman ?
"Me apne soneki jaal pani me kyo dalu?'


Any one who is interested to know exact day and date of Zahurat please shoot me an e-mail.

agakhani underscore 7660 at yahoo dot com
I will give you more detail on our ginans, on waez, on farmans and on my personal calculation.
but you have to prove me that you are an Ismailis.
i cant send u email yahoo cant find ur email...
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To AgaKhani:
Ya Ali Madad. Chum se?

I am closing on something after reading the Quran.

Will U or any Haqiqati momin/scholar PLEASE repeat the Farman made by our Imams of the status/content of present Quran.

I am now 90% convinced that a Surah on 'ALI' with 10 short Ayats on it ,MAY have been removed.

100% truth can b known by Imam of the Time now or in future.

We Momins can do ground work to the level what we are convinced on.

Getting LEADS form our Dua n from works of Dai Nasir Khusraw.There may be firm wordings/hint form our work of Pirs also?

AB TO ALI AUR ALI SIRF ALI.ALI ALI
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All Haqaqti Momins/ Bhagat n Scholars n Paach Pandav.

If you know Arabic ,your inputs would be good,as I do not know Arabic.
We can be a team of Momins who would try n attempt the fill the probable gap of incomplete Quran rather than debate on it's distortion,ETC.
It reminds of a Ginan.

"EJI HAQQ SHU HAQIQAT BANDHO JINEE REE KAMAYEE"

Now is the TIME to earn it.
In the past few months I did not read Quran, rather explored it
.
We will Definetely try it.
and leave our fate to the Imam of the time n not the disbelievers.

WE ARE JUST THE PAWN ON THE CHESS BOARD.
IT IS 'HE' WHO MAKES THE MOVE
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Post by agakhani »

Nuseri,

Maja mo hu, tame cham sho? ane hu karo ho?

BTW:-
Are you talking about ten missing paras? or those ayahs which were about Hazarat Ali and which were intentionally removed from Quran latter time?

According Hazarat Abuzar Gafari, Hazarat Ibn Abbas, Imam Bakir (s.a.) and many other Suhabas and Shia Scholars think that there were 300 ayahs about or on Hazarat Ali (s.a.) but after some times it were either deleted, changed or omitted. Wherever you find the word 'ULIL AMARA' one thinking of Shia scholars is it was mentioning to H. Ali (s.a.)
IF YOU PREFER TO READ IN ENGLISH PLEASE READ THE TRANSLATION MADE BY "Marmaduke Pickthall" Hazar Imam also referred this Quran to read if you can not find this Quran in Pakistan then please read Quran translated by any Shia Scholar in which you will find easily which ayas were first revealed on Hazarat Ali (s.a.)and why it was changed?
I, have collection of 40 ayas which are directly apply to Hazarat Ali (s.a.).
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