info needed on IMAM SMS farman

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:38 am

I need help from my brothers.
there is a farman of Imam SMS.
which goes like,
Tamme Ek bija no rooh joine.Tamee/eni
Khushi thao?pechan karo?oodkho? kilavat karo.
what are exacts word in gujrati n enlish?
75% of the books on ruhaniyat sufi Litreature is decoded n translated by non ruhaniyat sufi historians n writers.

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:12 pm

I do not have the Farman, but it seems to echo the message contained in the verse of Ginan: AAE RAHEM RAHEMAAN:

ejee sab ghatt ekaj rahemaan dise,
to shaane shaane shaan...ab to...............................3

Translation:
a) In every heart One Lord appears, Its glory's Glorious Glow.

b) When the presence of the Most Gracious Lord is felt everywhere and in every heart, glory becomes the real glory and brings glory through glory. ...3

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:40 am

info needed please.
Imam SMS in the year 1908 to which all countries did he travel?
this info is important.
Is the subject below are posted on forum?
a) Baaiyat
b) Maad (arabic word)
c)Dai Nasir Khusru school of thought.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:20 am

I have these farmans but as per the Ismaili.net policy I can not post in this forum, nor I can mail it to you; but I have one suggestion fr you; look around and try to find "Kalame Imame Mubin" this book has two parts and its contain many farmans of SMS starting from year 1890 to 1957 but I heard that it is out of print now a days and Tariqa Borad restricted to reprint it but some Ismailis may still have these two valubale volume, look around ask you parents, uncle or relatives I hope you will find it.
It is in Gujarati. Good Luck.

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:41 am

nuseri wrote:info needed please.
Imam SMS in the year 1908 to which all countries did he travel?
this info is important.
Is the subject below are posted on forum?
a) Baaiyat
b) Maad (arabic word)
c)Dai Nasir Khusru school of thought.

Thread on Baiyat:

Rites and Ceremonies --> Details of Bayat Ceremony

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... ayat+bayah

Maad:

This concept has been discussed under various topics. You can search for the keywords 'hereafter', 'afterlife', judgement etc. You will find many threads.

Dai Nasir Khusraw has been mentioned under:

People --> NASIR KHUSRAW

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... pic&t=7788

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:29 pm

Many many thanks for both the messages.
I need SPECIFIC info on physical travel(not farmans) of Imam SMS in the year 1908.(jan to dec).I am bit slow in reading all the links.

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:09 am

nuseri wrote:I am bit slow in reading all the links.

You can take your time to read. At least that will avoid duplication of material.....

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:17 am

I need info on Mowlana Hazar Imam's Farman/speech in which HE says
Man will go to the moon and perhaps one day find cure for cancer.
I sincerely need the exact wordings of this Farman/speech.

Post by **Admin** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:44 am

That was in his early Imamat.

Those lucky ones that have a copy of the Golden Edition Farman book, the Farmans are 26 sept 1959 Nairobi on pages 18 and Mombasa 4 Oct 1959 page 21.

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:03 am

Bravo n very GOOD search,wished it was little quicker.Please I may not be able to get hold of that book.
I read this farman may be 20 years back on Jamatkhana board.This line struck me n remembered it by heart.
For me, Your's n other devoted site is for me IS database on ALI online.
Please if can.
1)Let me know excerpts/printed words of this Farman,with the line I have asked for.What Imam said one line before n after along with that line. I do not wish any understanding on it.Just three lines of that farman word by word.

2) Any info on what Hazar Imam (not the past Imam) has said to leaders about Missionary/Bhagat Kara Ruda?

Post by **Admin** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:31 pm

Since Prophet Mohammed, it has been one of our key principles to keep up faith but to change our ideas with time.

I repeat once again, your times are changing. You could even make a joke out of it, if I say that your children are going to have a cup of tea on the moon, you will probably laugh. Well, fine, this is the way it should be, we laugh at it today but your children will not laugh at it.

26 Sept 1959 Nairobi, Kenya

There is no doubt in My mind that when you are parents your children will have the possibility of visiting the moon. This is a thought that you have to keep in mind because it brings it down to the question of what principles are you going to have in your lives.

4 Oct 1059 Mombasa

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:01 pm

Many thanks for these two very nice Farmans.
The one I am keen to know is the line I have stated 'OF going to moon along with perhaps cure for cancer'.
If I may guess,it could be between 1960-80.
Closer guess would be 1965-77,place may be UK.
I sincerely feel if Ismaili scholars read Hazar Imam's Farman and Fatimid history.we can find lot of tresure of info from it,It would be better than
reading about Hindu mythological Gods,their features,gufa,parvat,etc.

Post by **Admin** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:19 am

We can not really compare civilisations, each have their own strenght and their own weaknesses. We have to take the strenght and the good lessons from each ones, like the Fatimid did from Grecs and from Indians too...

Post by **Admin** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:22 am

I could not find the farman about Cancer.

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:47 pm

Is there any statements of Imams,Pir or Dai on numerical weightage/value of the name/word ALI visavis other names of Gods?

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:10 pm

Is there any message from Imams about on listening about ALI,Imams(sermons,ginan qasida) is a blessing or akin to Ibadat to the listener?
I strongly feel there may be some sayings on it.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:56 am

According SMS one farman ; Listening waez, delivering waez, listening ginans, reciting ginans consider as a Ibadat, so if you recite "Kalame Mowla" which is great hidayats (sermans) of Hazarat Ali (s.a.) will consider as Ibadat.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:13 pm

Its not necessary that we find every post interesting or informative for us. But I think we all should always respect, if any one is contributing his/her knowledge either by sharing his/her own ideas or by sharing any article written by someone else.

Trueismaili786 · Post by **Trueismaili786** » Mon Oct 08, 2012 3:16 am

Its not necessary that we find every post interesting or informative for us.

I agree with you, even though I am pretty much new in this forum but since I have joined here I read almost all posts which seems interesting to me I find that some authors posts are very good while the other authors posts are not.

Let's talk about the top 5 and active authors who writes their thoughts in this forum frequently:-

1, KMaherali:- Indisputable leader of this forum.
Seems he has lots of knowledge in almost every field specially in ginans and farmans but sorry to say, I do not read all his posts but only I read a few posts which are short and seems interesting to me.

2, Star_Munir:- Really a Star of this forum.
I read all his posts since I joined here look like he has lots of knowledge.

3, Admin:- Basically boss of this forum.
I read all his posts because his posts are very short and neat and has clear messages so I don't have to look around.

4, Agakhani:- Unsung hero of this forum.
I read all his posts his many posts some time has lots of information.

5, ShamsB:- Like his name (SHAMS MEANS MOON) he is EID KA CHAND.
He doesn't write very often but whenever he does I think his posts should not missed without read.
Hey!! This is a just my own ideas ok.

Post by **Admin** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:20 pm

We all believe in the same God and we all have the same faith with some minor variances.

Lets' remain polite and non-judgmental

I want to remind all that your post will be floating in cyberspace for the next thousand years. Are you all writing what will still be of importance for our great-great grant children in a thousand years?

Admin

Trueismaili786 · Post by **Trueismaili786** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:21 pm

5, ShamsB:- Like his name (SHAMS MEANS MOON) he is EID KA CHAND.

Well, it is true and correct brother and sisters that nobody in this forum reads all the posts! As per my understanding! WHY I AM TELLING THIS? The reason is very simple, just read my above quoted sentence one more time in which I had intentionally given wrong meaning of the words "Shams" actually "Shams" means "SUN" not "moon" as I wrote above but I intentionally and knowingly given wrong meaning to test you guys and make sure that:-

1, Is there any reader in this forum can find this mistake or not?
2, Is there any reader in this forum he who really really reads all posts? If he/she reads all posts then he/she would have corrected me for a long time ago for my this tiny mistake! But nobody has come forward.

Ita proves that not all readers read all the the posts, which is very sad.
And if they do read all posts ( which I doubt after my this test) then they do not have enough knowledge.

Post by **Admin** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:58 pm

I would request you not to plant false information in this Forum, if by misfortune you do not have the possibility to correct your mistakes planted willingly here, you will misled some people and you will be held responsible in the next world. Knowledge is not something you use to make fun of other people's ignorance. Knowledge should be used to dispel ignorance.

Trueismaili786 · Post by **Trueismaili786** » Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:30 pm

you will misled some people and you will be held responsible in the next world.

Brother,
Which "next world" are you referring? Is there any other world besides this universe? I read that you have written the word "Cyberspace" in your one of post, can you explain a little more about this cyberspace? Or the "next world" you have written above?

There are many anti-Ismaili websites in this world, not in "next world" or in the "cyberspace" as per your thinking but in this world where you and I live, they are throwing garbage against Ismailis? Towards our Imam and towards our Ismaili faith, why are you remaining silenced? Are they not afraid about "next world" or "cyberspace" in which as per your own thinking all the messages will be remain floating for a thousands and thousands years to come? Unfortunately your this post which has been deleted but I read that before you deleted it not long ago! Why are not they afraid about "cyberspace" or "next world" and you are the only one who is afraid about that and warn the readers not to post an inappropriate post in this website? And if you find one you are deleting it?
These question are not to put you down but I want a honest reply from you.

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:53 pm

Brother,
Which "next world" are you referring? Is there any other world besides this universe? I read that you have written the word "Cyberspace" in your one of post, can you explain a little more about this cyberspace? Or the "next world" you have written above?

Is there any world besides this universe ??? YES !!!..We call it the spiritual world

,If Im not mistaken, Admin must be talking about the spiritual world.

There are many anti-Ismaili websites in this world, not in "next world" or in the "cyberspace" as per your thinking but in this world where you and I live, they are throwing garbage against Ismailis? Towards our Imam and towards our Ismaili faith, why are you remaining silenced? Are they not afraid about "next world" or "cyberspace" in which as per your own thinking all the messages will be remain floating for a thousands and thousands years to come? Unfortunately your this post which has been deleted but I read that before you deleted it not long ago! Why are not they afraid about "cyberspace" or "next world" and you are the only one who is afraid about that and warn the readers not to post an inappropriate post in this website? And if you find one you are deleting it?

And what exactly @ above has to do with the current topic ??

These question are not to put you down but I want a honest reply from you.

Comments that undermines any religion be it an A/B or C is often deleted from this forum.....Bottom line brother, this forum is created to promote pluralism.

Post by **Admin** » Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:11 pm

This thread is to discuss MSM as the title ays.

For asking question to Admin, there is another Forum, please post there.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:30 am

I would request you not to plant false information in this Forum, if by misfortune you do not have the possibility to correct your mistakes planted willingly here,

I agree with Admin nobody should put wrong info on this website either it is intentionally written or mistakenly written or unknowingly written.

In your case it looks like you already made a mistake giving the wrong meaning of word 'Shams' as 'moon' but after some time you realized that you had made mistakes which you cannot correct it, so you made all this story!! Testing the readers!!?? Ha ha ha come on yaar be polite brother, do you think you are the only one smart person in this forum. Please stop making stories but confess it if you make mistakes, remember this everybody makes mistakes.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:38 am

Is there any other world besides this universe?

Yes, there are many universes according one Hadith of Prophet Mohammed (PBU) i.e. "There are 18000 universes", but unfortunately the science still has not found any universe yet, in the future science may find it but when? Nobody knows.
This topic has been discussed many times, for more info please look "how many Adams" topic.

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:29 pm

Yes, there are many universes according one Hadith of Prophet Mohammed (PBU) i.e. "There are 18000 universes", but unfortunately the science still has not found any universe yet, in the future science may find it but when? Nobody knows.
This topic has been discussed many times, for more info please look "how many Adams" topic.

Are ooooo sambha, iI totally agree with you reeee

O Moses! Verily I am Allah, the Lord of the Worlds... (Al-Qasas 28:30)

The expression WORLDS gives the idea of plurality i.e more than one.

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:35 pm

There is a thread in this forum on multiple universes below.

Current Issues --> Parallel/Multi-Universe

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... en+heavens

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:06 pm

Ya ali madad

Is there any subject or history and saying of 'Shams Tabriz'on this site?