Does Human Soul have weight?

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:19 pm

I would like to know if God can see us or if He can only experience us as "seeing" is a very physical concept linked to the human eye

Excellent question !!....where else can we look but the holy scriptures

We have to look at the story of H.Ibrahim[as] both in holy quran and bible

Genesis chapter 18

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=KJV

Holy Quran

Has the story reached you, of the honoured guests ?...... I think we would find this in surah 51

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:26 pm

Let talk about soul weight, many peoples believe that soul is part of God, it is separated from God and one of day it will rejoin The god ; Innalillahi wa inna ilain rajiun. means we are came from Allah and we have to back to Allah now think about God shape, God has not shape means God has no weight either same way soul ( which is part of God) has no shape or weight. This is the solid proof that soul has no weight.

Every single thing [physical or spiritual] will and has to return to allah[swt]....this is not something new that you're sharing....but yes soul as per quran was breathe into us from allah[swt] himself....Again !!...One more time....god can take any shape, any size and any form....If you're still not satisfied read genesis 18

tret · Post by **tret** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:37 pm

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I said most sunnis and not all sunnis...there's a difference....but anyways my business partner is a sunni from pakistan who was a hardcore sunni and anti ismaili but then as time passed on he learned that ismailism is as unique as his faith is.

And you do know that I dont treat imam's = allah, well then why should I ? Because god as you said can only be experienced and not seen right ??.....But I agree to disagree with you because god can come in any shape or size and need not necessarily be trapped in one's body ...but that is my opinion !!

And then he started to learn what exactly is ismailism because as per him ladies walking near garden jk in karachi wearing all bling bling was ismailism....but later he started to adopt to the knowledge that ismailism is not anti islam its just that their way of understanding god and sharia is different than his .....Now what is he gonna do?? Fight me because my thinking is slightly different than his or just move along....he chose the later !
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You still failed to answer the question. Let me ask again. What's your innovative approach? does it work?

viru, from all your posts I can sense that you are trying so hard to pretend that you are an ismaili, but yet you fail to believe the fundamental concept of imamia in general. In most of your posts, you simply contradict the fundamental belief of ismaili, which is Imam. You speak mostly like one of our sunni brothers. If a sunni brother has commented the same way as you do, about our beloved Hazir Imam, I would take off my hat, and would gain my ultimate respect; however, if an ismaili refers to my Imam as simply agakhan or sharukh khan, I (or any ismaili)would simply think you aren't even one.

[quote="shiraz.virani"]
And you do know that I dont treat imam's = allah, well then why should I ?
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Even our beloved Imam says that! I don't even understand why do you have to say that? What I believe about my Imam, is absolutly personal to me, and I don't need to express to anyone; and I suggest you do the same, evenif you see our beloved Imam as agakhan. My 2 cents.

@Admin:
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I understand that God can only be experienced. I would like to know if God can see us or if He can only experience us as "seeing" is a very physical concept linked to the human eye
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Nice way to look at it.

... but I would say; it's only our limitations not God's that we can only experience. Remember, God simply has to say BE, and there you have it! He's not bound with the same limitations as us men. For He knows exactly who we are and what we think. We can forget about 'seeing'.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:10 am

Every single thing [physical or spiritual] will and has to return to allah[swt]

Great,! Shiraz, at least you agree on at least one thing that every single thing has to return to Allah. I thought you may tell that everything has to return to Jesus, or to Zakir Ali, or Akber Ali. or Mr. Shiraz Ali from S.L.Texas, just kidding brother.

One more time....god can take any shape, any size and any form....If you're still not satisfied read genesis 18

We should not rely on only Genesis rather then reying on Genesis we should read other sources as well and who know! genesis has not been changed, like many religions books has been changed? therefore I request you and every one to please read our ginans, farmans and Quran and if you no mind to read Hindu scripture then please read 'Bhagwat Maha Puran" you will find detail information on soul, Does it weight or not? how it travel? where it goes? how it meet God? how it fly? e.t.c. this puran has reliable answer for soul's weight and answer is soul does not weight at all. period.
Allah is 'KADIRE MUTTALIK" قادر مطلق he can do any thing if he wants to but till today nobody has claimed that he saw the God in Human shape and talk with him face to face [/b] that is also 100% true and right.

BTW:-I didn't see you in Reliant stadium yesterday, during Houston Texan football game! where were you?

MR-FORGET · Post by **MR-FORGET** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:22 pm

Tret wrote:- Remember, you (or anyone) can't see God. God can only be experienced.

That is right Tret but this topic is related to soul weight.
What do you think about soul weight?

To Mr. Virani

We dunno how jinns look like...but does that mean they dont exist ??

Of course Jinns exist because it is quoted in Nobal Quran look Al-Hijr 15:26-42

-And indeed, We created man from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud.
-And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire.

Now, It is almost proved that soul doesn't have weight but since you have raised about Jinn's existence then let me ask you few more questions which are also related to weight:-

1,Are Jinns/Ruhanis/Ghosts does weight?
2,What is smokeless flame? does flame consist weight?

These questions are not for only Mr. Virani but for every one in this house I noticed that some readers do not reply if questions are not directly asked them.

tret · Post by **tret** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:58 pm

MR-FORGET wrote:

That is right Tret but this topic is related to soul weight.
What do you think about soul weight?

Well, a) This is response to one of your questions that you asked. b) Why soul weight is so important to you? What difference would it make it soul has weight or doesn't? Let's assume you got your answer 100% whether soul has weight or not. Then what?

I guess there are more important questions that we need to focus and find out the answer first, then this.

MR-FORGET · Post by **MR-FORGET** » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:09 am

I guess there are more important questions that we need to focus and find out the answer first, then this.

If you have more important questions then you need to open new thread instead of putting in this thread, please remember my comments came after Mr. Admin comments please read what he wrote in this thread.
Mr. Admin wrote:-
But though I am dying to get a reply, this is not the place. Lets stick to the subject please.
So, basically I just politely requested to stick on the subject, if I offend you in any manner then I apologize you but for your kind information yes, I know very well that soul has weight or not.

tret · Post by **tret** » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:28 am

MR-FORGET wrote:
I guess there are more important questions that we need to focus and find out the answer first, then this.
If you have more important questions then you need to open new thread instead of putting in this thread, please remember my comments came after Mr. Admin comments please read what he wrote in this thread.
Mr. Admin wrote:-
But though I am dying to get a reply, this is not the place. Lets stick to the subject please.
So, basically I just politely requested to stick on the subject, if I offend you in any manner then I apologize you but for your kind information yes, I know very well that soul has weight or not.

When/if I have other questions, for sure I will try and open in the right forum. And you didn't offend me. I simply wanted to reply to your question.

So, if you do know very well, whether soul has weight or not, then why don't you share with us, by providing base to your argument? So we all get enlightened.

MR-FORGET · Post by **MR-FORGET** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:25 am

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Now, It is almost proved that soul doesn't have weight

Mr.Tret,

So, if you do know very well, whether soul has weight or not, then why don't you share with us, by providing base to your argument? So we all get enlightened.

As per my thinking soul doen't have any weight and if it does then it may be very minimal like feather weiight, which is very hard to measure.

tret · Post by **tret** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:48 am

MR-FORGET wrote:
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Now, It is almost proved that soul doesn't have weight 
Mr.Tret,

So, if you do know very well, whether soul has weight or not, then why don't you share with us, by providing base to your argument? So we all get enlightened.
As per my thinking soul doen't have any weight and if it does then it may be very minimal like feather weiight, which is very hard to measure.

Thanks for this info. But, still the uncertainty remains. The debate is whether the soul has or does not have weight.

The answer should be either firmly YES or NO. Not, maybe it has a little or etc... etc...

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:49 pm

Great,! Shiraz, at least you agree on at least one thing that every single thing has to return to Allah. I thought you may tell that everything has to return to Jesus, or to Zakir Ali, or Akber Ali. or Mr. Shiraz Ali from S.L.Texas, just kidding brother.

Actually we agree on two things.....1st is that every soul has to return to allah[swt]....and 2nd that we both are in favor of opening a lingerie store, heheheheheheh

We should not rely on only Genesis rather then reying on Genesis we should read other sources as well and who know! genesis has not been changed, like many religions books has been changed? therefore I request you and every one to please read our ginans, farmans and Quran and if you no mind to read Hindu scripture then please read 'Bhagwat Maha Puran" you will find detail information on soul, Does it weight or not? how it travel? where it goes? how it meet God? how it fly? e.t.c. this puran has reliable answer for soul's weight and answer is soul does not weight at all. period.

Every scripture according to humans is corrupt agakhani bhai....you take gita, puranas, vedas, bible,torah or even quran for that matter ...so then what should one believe in ??

Allah is 'KADIRE MUTTALIK"; he can do any thing if he wants to but till today nobody has claimed that he saw the God in Human shape and talk with him face to face [/b] that is also 100% true and right.

No one but one....i.e H.Musa[as]...but again as always, this is just my view, it does not necessarily mean that you have to believe what I say, to each his own brother

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:20 pm

Of course Jinns exist because it is quoted in Nobal Quran look Al-Hijr 15:26-42

-And indeed, We created man from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud.
-And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire.

Ahhhh so we both agree that jinns do exist because its mentioned in quran right ?.....Haven you seen any jinns lately ??....Do they have physical body just like we humans do ?? ....How much do they weigh ??

Brother Im not trying to piss you off so please dont get mad at me....but there are certain things mentioned in the holy quran and there are things of which we can only imagine or assume that so and so might look like this or that....weighs this much or that much .....its all the guess work !!

Just like you cannot tell me how much does the jinn weighs or how tall he/she is....similarly I cannot be 100% and tell you that yes see I just measured soul and this is how much it weighs !!

But atleast we all can make some assumptions is it not ??

Just like for you god can be felt....and for me god can be seen and felt , it all depends on our way of understanding allah[swt]

Now, It is almost proved that soul doesn't have weight

Where is the answer that tells us that soul doesnt have weight ??....How did I missed that ?

1,Are Jinns/Ruhanis/Ghosts does weight?

Thats what I asked you !!!...I you say soul doesnt have any weight then what about jinns and angels ??

2,What is smokeless flame? does flame consist weight?

All the flame releases or emits gases and all the gases comprise of matter....and all the matter exists in 3 forms as per me i.e ...solid, liquid and gas

Matter exhibits both wave like and physical [partical] like properties but coming back to your point....if the matter is more of wave kind then I think heat, cold or fire can be measured on different scale i.e celcius or farenheit.....But if its physical then Im not so sure as to how we can measure it !!

What do you think ???

tret · Post by **tret** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:11 am

shiraz.virani wrote:All the flame releases or emits gases and all the gases comprise of matter....and all the matter exists in 3 forms as per me i.e ...solid, liquid and gas

Matter exhibits both wave like and physical [partical] like properties but coming back to your point....if the matter is more of wave kind then I think heat, cold or fire can be measured on different scale i.e celcius or farenheit.....But if its physical then Im not so sure as to how we can measure it !!

I don't know what you are talking about. Do you?

MR-FORGET · Post by **MR-FORGET** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:51 pm

Thats what I asked you !!!...I you say soul doesnt have any weight then what about jinns and angels ?? .

They don't have any weight either,their bodies are made from etheric gas. But angels can take human shape if they want to or upon Allahtala's order Jibrail is a good example for that and jinns also can take human shape we heard lot of times that so and so person came under influenced of jinns.
Once I heard from one of my freind that one men from his village came under jinns influenced and started to talk in Arabic but in real life he was speaks only Gujarati.

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:53 pm

I don't know what you are talking about. Do you?

Ofcourse you dont !!!.....Tell me something that I dont know

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:59 pm

They don't have any weight either,their bodies are made from etheric gas.

Phew !!!....Im happy that atleast you understand what Im writing unlike some who'z posts are no more than gas, puff and gone

But angels can take human shape if they want to or upon Allahtala's order Jibrail is a good example for that and jinns also can take human shape we heard lot of times that so and so person came under influenced of jinns.

You're right even I heard this and I really appreciate you because you always come up with new and interesting questions and I thank you for that !!!.... so tell me this brother, if an angel or jinn can take human shape i.e physical ....does he have any weight or are they weightless ?

Once I heard from one of my freind that one men from his village came under jinns influenced and started to talk in Arabic but in real life he was speaks only Gujarati.

There are several stories, I never used to believe in reincarnation bhai but then I read few real life stories and realised that when god can make trees talk, when he can seperate salt water from sweet....anything is possible for allah[swt].

tret · Post by **tret** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:42 pm

shiraz.virani wrote:
I don't know what you are talking about. Do you?
Ofcourse you dont !!!.....Tell me something that I dont know

Do you?

MR-FORGET · Post by **MR-FORGET** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:53 am

if an angel or jinn can take human shape i.e physical ....does he have any weight or are they weightless ?

Yes, they must have weight as per 'LAW OF NATURE' when they change their body in human shape but when they change their original shape (angel, jinns) then they don't have any weight.

True or false I don't know, but I heard that they don't have any shadow like we human being has!! not even angels even when they take human shape!!.