Depicting Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)...
The believers who make it into Paradise, male and female, are promised beautiful companions, known as "Houris" in arabic .
"We have created mates for them and made them virgins, matched in age, for the companions of the right hand." (56:35-38)
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YUSUFALI: We have created (their Companions) of special creation.
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YUSUFALI: And made them virgin - pure (and undefiled), -
PICKTHAL: And made them virgins,
SHAKIR: Then We have made them virgins,
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PICKTHAL: Lovers, friends,
SHAKIR: Loving, equal in age,
"They will be chaste, restraining their eyes in modesty, never touched by man or Jinn."(55:56)
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YUSUFALI: In them will be (Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them has touched;-
PICKTHAL: Therein are those of modest gaze, whom neither man nor jinni will have touched before them.
SHAKIR: In them shall be those who restrained their eyes; before them neither man nor jinni shall have touched them.
"Serving them will be immortal servants. When you see them, they will look like scattered pearls." (76:19)
The Islamic scholar Yusuf Ali defines the word "Houris" in his english interpretation of Quran as "Youths of perpetual freshness." He also described them in his commentary:
"The companionship of Beauty and Grace is one of the highest pleasures of life.
The pronoun in arabic is in the feminine gender. It is made clear that these maidens for heavenly society will be of special creation,-of virginal purity, grace, and beauty, inspiring and inspired by love, with the question of time and age eliminated."
The Houris are basically creations of God, intelligent and created to serve the believer (man) who goes to Paradise.
They are created for the purpose of serving the believer (man), and they are described as pure, beautiful, lustrous, virgin, and more perfect than any human on earth. Imagine the woman of your dreams...Lol !!!
A man in paradise will get numerous female servants for himself.. So will the women will get the man of their dreams.
Actually, even better than you could dream of in this world, as per Viru's boasting.
In Paradise, Man can perhaps marry them. So one may interpret the "mates" as being spouses too.
Even if the man was married on earth, so what ?....So it is pretty clear in saying that guiltless sex is a reward to these men in Paradise with goblets of wine !
Since they will be more like spouses, they will probably be given the status of one instead of a servant also,if it suits the man
The numerical value of 70 is derived from a Quranic commentary by Quranic scholar Ibn Kathir.
The number 72 comes from a hadith that says "'The smallest reward [each] for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from [Damascus] to [Yemen].'"
Do Muslims believe it literally? Are they required to? It is listed in an authoritative collection.
As a result...many inevitably do (but an even more respectable Hadith with virtually the same message can be found in a separate hadith collection).
Most muslims believe that they will experience incredible physical pleasures when they enter heaven, and that you will be happier in heaven than you could possibly be in this life.
"Ineffable" is the perfect word to describe it, since the promise rewards beyond imagination, meaning you can't even guess what reward lies ahead since there is no equal on Earth. .. if you can imagine the greatest, richest, best thing in this life, then what will actually be there will be even better.
Good luck !!!!
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All american you said ?? .....Do you know the oath they take before they get into NASA ?? ....I have a friend of mine who works in JSC and I would like to keep his name undisclosed as it might land him into trouble.Who has landed on the moon?
I need to know how many men landed actually on Moon, and identifying them also.
ETC
He said all the moon landings.....all of them were staged !!!....This was done because russia was the 1st country to set up the sattelite and we[americans] wanted to do something that can go even one step ahead !!
Soon another shock for the americans....when russians send the 1st manned aircraft into the space...1st ever !!! ....Now the only thing left for the americans was to do something that is even better !!!.....what could they do ?? Well lets go on the moon somebody said !!
The russians sent a manned aircraft and also set up a sattelite where as americans were having trouble even to launch their rocket !!.....They dint know how to get the rocket fly ...heheehe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1tqZyZVoDM [seeing is believing !]
There are several reasons why WE[humans] cannot go on the moon....and the most important of all is that our moon is being guarded !! ...yeh you may laugh if you want to but its a fact !....whoz guarding it ? Here's the answer !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3wGLC_s ... dded#at=34
Bill Kaysing was a librarian/writer of technical publications and advanced research at Rocketdyne Systems from 1956 to 1963. He states that it was estimated in 1959 that there was a .0014 chance of landing man on the Moon and returning him safely to Earth. This took into account the effects of radiation, solar flares and micro meteorites. He could not believe in 1959 that man could go to the Moon.
Radiation plays a big part in space travel. Solar flares could have affected the astronauts at any time. The Apollo leaving Earth would travel through 2 specific areas of very high radiation called the Van Allen Belt. The first field is 272 miles out from Earth. The amount of radiation in the belts actually varies from year to year, but every 11 years its at its worst when the sunspot cycle is at its highest. And guess what? 1969 to 1970 was one of the worst times to go, as this was the time where the radiation was at its peak. Sceptics who say that the radiation would not play a part in the missions because Man would have not been in the radiation belt for too long. My answer to that is, when Dentists or Doctors take X ray pictures they either leave the room or stand behind a sheet of thick lead to shelter from the radiation. Why did NASA only use a small sheet of aluminium to protect the astronauts when they knew that the radiation levels in Space and on the Moon's surface would be many hundreds of times more deadly? And why would they risk their astronauts to such conditions? In 1959 Bill Kaysing was privy to a study made by the Russians. The Russians discovered that the radiation on the moon would require astronauts to be clothed in four feet of lead to avoid being killed. Why didn't NASA heed their warnings?
Did you know that the US Government tried to blast a hole in the belt 248 miles above Earth in 1962? During Operation Starfish Prime a Megaton Nuclear Bomb was used to try and force an unnatural corridor through the Van Allen Belt... Unfortunately, the radiation levels actually got worse, not better. What they created was a third belt that was 100 times more intense than the natural belts, and as estimated by Mary Bennett in 'Dark Moon - Apollo and the Whistle-Blowers, by 2002 this artificial zone will still have 25 times more radiation than the other 2 belts. There is no agreement to how wide these radiation belts actually are. Dr James Van Allen, the discoverer of the belts estimated that they were at least 64,000 miles deep, but NASA say they are only 24,000 miles deep. Each Apollo craft spent approximately 4 hours within the belts.
So to what lengths did NASA take to shield the astronauts against the radiation? Its accepted that a minimum of 10 cm width of aluminium would be needed at the very least to keep out radiation. However the walls of the Apollo craft and capsule were made as thin and as light as possible and as a result the craft initially could not carry enough air inside to withstand the equivalent to sea level air pressure. NASA had to reduce air pressure inside the cabin to cope. Here are the official stats from a NASA website: (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/Histo ... frame.html)
'At sea level, the Earth's atmosphere is a mixture of gases - primarily of nitrogen (78% by volume), oxygen (21%), water vapour (varying amounts depending on temperature and humidity), and traces of carbon dioxide and other gases. Oxygen is, by far, the most important component of what we breathe and, indeed, the Apollo astronauts breathed almost pure oxygen laced with controlled amounts of water vapour. With the nitrogen eliminated, the cabin pressure could be considerably less than sea-level pressure on Earth - about 4.8 psi (pounds per square inch) versus 14.7 psi - and, consequently, the cabin walls could be relatively thin and, therefore, light in weight.'
One of the worst sun flares ever recorded happened in August 1972, which was between the Apollo 16 and 17 missions. This single flare would have delivered 960 rem of virtually instant death to any astronaut who was up in Space, and yet all of the Apollo astronauts were carrying out their missions in what amounts to nothing more than a thick linen suit. These pressure suits may have helped protect the astronauts against heat or micro meteorites, but certainly would not have given any radiation protection. By the way, there is no known method of registering when and how strong Solar flare activity will be. So, rather like hitting a bingo jackpot,I guess NASA just struck lucky! ...hehehehe
Thousands of people were employed to work on the Apollo mission, but very few people had access to the complete picture. By giving several people a small role in the missions meant that they would not see the whole project.
Some of the Eleven Apollo astronauts had non space related fatal accidents within a twenty two month period of one another, the odds of this happening are 1 in 10,000...coincidence?
James B. Irwin (Apollo 15) resigned from NASA and the Air Force on July 1, 1972.
Don F. Eisele (Apollo 7) resigned from NASA and from the Air Force in June 1972.
Stewart Allen Roosa (Apollo 14) resigned from NASA and retired from the Air Force in February 1976.
Swigert resigned from NASA in 1977
750 lbs or so were said to be collected on the Apollo missions. This maybe so, but according to official NASA records, only a couple of pounds were actually collected by the astronauts. It would not be impossible to irradiate a rock or put it in a vacuum to get the same results.
Did you know that two years before the Apollo 11 mission, its lead scientist Dr. Werner Van Braun made a trip to Antartica which is a prime area for collection Moon rocks?
Bill Kaysing got in touch with his friend, a private investigator from San Francisco called Paul Jacobs, and asked him to help him with his Apollo anomalies investigations. Mr. Jacobs agreed to go and see the head of the US Department of Geology in Washington, as he was travelling there the following week after his discussion with Mr. Kaysing. He asked the geologist, 'Did you examine the Moon rocks, did they really come from the Moon.?' The geologist just laughed. Paul flew back from Washington and told Kaysing that the people in high office of the American Government knew of the cover-up. Paul Jacobs and his wife died from cancer within 90 days!
Lee Gelvani another friend of Kaysing, says he almost convinced informant James Irwin to confess about the cover-up. Irwin was going to ring Kaysing about it, however he died of a heart attack within 3 days. Is this evidence that a cover-up is in existence?
Why nasa did all this ?
I think the main reason why the NASA faked the 'official record' is because they could not be seen to be the weak link, especially when you consider that during the 60's, the USA were at the height of the Cold War with Russia. Also their own President had forecast that before the end of the 60's Man would be on the Moon. It would be better to try and fool the public and hoax the footage, rather than let their biggest rival in the World strike a huge moral victory by beating them to the Moon.
If man really went to the Moon, why did NASA drop the successful Saturn 5 launch rocket after the last Apollo mission? The shuttle weighs 3/4 heavier than the Saturn 5 Rocket, puts only 1/6th of cargo weight into orbit and costs 3 times as much to launch. The shuttle is basically a glider with no escape for the crew if things go wrong (as we all know they do). Why scrap a rocket that can outperform its newer model? The Shuttle was first flown 2 years behind schedule.
Why didn't Russia even bother to land a cosmonaut on the Moon after the Americans beat them to it??? Russia were ready to launch their own craft just one month after the success of the Apollo 11 Mission - so why did they scrap their lunar program? Many people would say that its because it was too late, but if you want to look at it like that, why didn't this apply to NASA when the Russians beat America in putting the first satellite, animal, man, woman and space station into orbit? Russia would not have thrown in the towel just because America had beaten them at one single thing in Space!
The pure oxygen atmosphere in the module would have melted the Hasselblad's camera covering and produced poisonous gases. Why weren't the astronauts affected?
There should have been a substantial crater blasted out under the LM's 10,000 pound thrust rocket. Sceptics would have you believe that the engines only had the power to blow the dust from underneath the LM[lander module] as it landed. If this is true, how did Armstrong create that famous boot print if all the dust had been blown away?
How did the fibreglass whip antenna on the Gemini 6A capsule survive the tremendous heat of atmospheric re-entry?
The fabric space suits had a crotch to shoulder zipper. There should have been fast leakage of air since even a pinhole deflates a tyre in short order !!!
I can go on and on and on....but whats the use of banging my head on the wall....for its very hard for a "lakeer ka fakeer" like you to understand all this !
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I have already described you who and what the houris are sister !!The believers who make it into Paradise, male and female, are promised beautiful companions, known as "Houris" in arabic .
Quoting only half is not good for health sister ....allow me !!"We have created mates for them and made them virgins, matched in age, for the companions of the right hand." (56:35-36)
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YUSUFALI: We have created (their Companions) of special creation.
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YUSUFALI: And made them virgin - pure (and undefiled), -
PICKTHAL: And made them virgins,
SHAKIR: Then We have made them virgins,
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PICKTHAL: Lovers, friends,
SHAKIR: Loving, equal in age,
56: 28-42 Among thornless lote-trees And clustered plantains, And spreading shade, And water gushing, And fruit in plenty Neither out of reach nor yet forbidden, And raised couches; Lo! We have created them a (new) creation And made them virgins, Lovers, friends, For those on the right hand; A multitude of those of old, And a multitude of those of later time. And those on the left hand: What of those on the left hand? In scorching wind and scalding water
Ms. Jack of all trades , master of none .....
Often people make mistakes when it comes to surah 56:35...saying allah[swt] is talking about 72 virgins or naya maal [new fresh piece] and so on !....but the fact remains unchanged sister !!!
Allah[swt] is addressing the spouses in surah 56:35-36
......Some woman may die at age 85 ....but when they get in jannah....allah[swt] is promising them that he shall bring them into life being afresh !! ...which mean an 85 year old woman would not look like a 85 year old but instead will get a fresh life and youth !!! cant you understand simple logic in that aayat
....Oh I forgot, you're lakeer ka fakeer , hehehehe56:36 and shall have made them virgins
This verse signifies the virtuous women of the this world, who will enter Paradise on the basis of their faith and good works. Allah[swt] will make them young no matter how aged they might have died in the world; will make them beautiful whether or not they were beautiful in the world; and will make them virgins whether they died virgins in the world or after bearing children. If their husbands also entered Paradise with them, they would be joined with them
Logic sister ....logic !!!
Once again taking the holy verses and blowing them out of proportion just to prove you lame point !!"They will be chaste, restraining their eyes in modesty, never touched by man or Jinn."(55:56)
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YUSUFALI: In them will be (Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them has touched;-
PICKTHAL: Therein are those of modest gaze, whom neither man nor jinni will have touched before them.
SHAKIR: In them shall be those who restrained their eyes; before them neither man nor jinni shall have touched them.
Jumping from one surah to another is your fitrat....thats what hypocrites do when they are loosing their ground
Anyways allow me to explain sister.....Did you see the word chaste, restraining their glances in those verse sister ?? ......Do you think allah[swt] has used the term chaste woman so people in jannah can use them as the sex toys ?? What does chaste woman lowering their eyes in jannah refer to sister ?? Ill tell you it refers to the moral character of the woman !..........This is the real character of the woman: she should neither be shameless nor immodest, but should have modesty in her looks. That is why Allah[swt] while making a mention of women among the blessings of paradise has first of all praised their modesty and chastity and not their beauty and physical charms. Beautiful women can get together in mixed clubs and film studios and beauty contests where the select beautiful women onlv are admitted. But a person of low taste and mentality only can show any interest in them. No noble person can find any charm in the beauty that attracts every evil look and is ready to tall in every lap!
This means that in the worldly life whether a woman died as a virgin or as the wife of somebody or died young, or as an old woman, in the Hereafter when all the righteous women enter Paradise, they will be made young and pure[virgins] and any of the women who is made a lift-partner of a righteous man, will not have heen possessed by anyone before that husband, in paradise. This verse also shows that the righteous jinn too will enter Paradise like the righteus men. Men will have women from their own kind and the jinn their wives from their own kind, both the kinds will have their mates from their own particular kind. No person of one kind will be made a partner of a member of another kind with whom he/she cannot live as husband or wife naturally. The words of the verse "...whom neither man nor jinn will have touched before them," do not mean that the women there will only be of human species and they will not have heen touched by any man or jinn before their husbands, but its real meaning is: In paradise there will be women of both the jinn and the human species; they all will be modest and untouched: neither a jinn female will have been touched by a jinn male before her husband in Paradise, nor a human female will have been touched by a human male before her husband in Paradise.
I know you love adultry but say for example you go to jannah at the age of 100....you will be given a whole new life,young and pure body ...and if luckily your husband is also reserved his ticket in jannah, he shall be the one with whom you shall dwell forever.....isnt that wonderful !!...........but if you husband is as THARKI as you are then you may be paired by another pure man who was never been touched by any woman
Logic sister !!!!.....Logic !!!
ok......."Serving them will be immortal servants. When you see them, they will look like scattered pearls." (76:19)
Already explained HOURI sister....In quran HOURI has no specific gender...this is the 4th time Im repeating myself here !!!....But since you're dumb and blind you're simple ignoring this simple fact.....It is mentioned in surah 44:54 , 52:20, 55:72, 56:22The Islamic scholar Yusuf Ali defines the word "Houris" in his english interpretation of Quran as "Youths of perpetual freshness." He also described them in his commentary:
"The companionship of Beauty and Grace is one of the highest pleasures of life.
The pronoun in arabic is in the feminine gender. It is made clear that these maidens for heavenly society will be of special creation,-of virginal purity, grace, and beauty, inspiring and inspired by love, with the question of time and age eliminated."
Many translators of the quran have translated the word hoor as ‘beautiful maidens’ especially in the Urdu translations. If hoor means ‘beautiful maidens’ or girls, then they are meant only for the men....If so sister then what will the women get if they enter Paradise? ....BHUTTA[corn] ????
AKL hi nai hai yaar tujhmein !!
The word hoor is actually the plural of hawar/ahwar (applicable to man) and of haura/hawar (applicable to woman) and signifies a person having eyes characterized by hauar a special quality bestowed upon a good soul, male or female in paradise and it denotes the intense whiteness of the white part of the spiritual eye.
The Quran describes in several other verses that in paradise you will have azwaj which mean a pair or spouse or companion which means you will have spouses or companions pure and holy (mutaharratun means pure, holy).
“But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruit there from, they say: “Why, this is what we were fed with before”, for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (forever)”. [Al-Quran 2:25]
“But those who believe and do deeds of righteousness, We shall soon admit to Gardens, with rivers flowing beneath - their eternal home; therein shall they have companions pure and holy: we shall admit them to shades, cool and ever deepening”. [Al-Quran 4:57]
Therefore the word hoor has no specific gender. Mohammad Asad has translated the word hoor as spouse and Abdullah Yusuf Ali as companion. Therefore according to some scholars a man in paradise will have a hoor that is a beautiful maiden with beautiful big and lustrous eyes and a woman in paradise will get a man with beautiful big and lustrous eyes.
hehehehehehehehhehehehehehheheheheheheh ROFL ROFLThe Houris are basically creations of God, intelligent and created to serve the believer (man) who goes to Paradise.
So if you die at the age of 85.....you'll still be 85 years old but with a handsome youth who shall be you husband forever....is that what you're saying ? hehehehehehhehe ROFL ROFLThey are created for the purpose of serving the believer (man), and they are described as pure, beautiful, lustrous, virgin, and more perfect than any human on earth. Imagine the woman of your dreams...Lol !!!
Females ?????? Can you show us the verse where allah[swt] said that a man will get females ??? heheheheheheA man in paradise will get numerous female servants for himself.. So will the women will get the man of their dreams.
Im not boasting sister...Im laughing on your foolish commentsActually, even better than you could dream of in this world, as per Viru's boasting.
What about woman sister ?? ......hehehehehehehheheheIn Paradise, Man can perhaps marry them. So one may interpret the "mates" as being spouses too.
Wah !!!.....Kya baat hai.....just because you sleep with different partners that doesnt mean you'll say look allah[swt] is approving it.....My above response to your comments is a tight slap on your dirty face.....grow up and stop brain washing innocent ismailis.Even if the man was married on earth, so what ?....So it is pretty clear in saying that guiltless sex is a reward to these men in Paradise with goblets of wine !
Wrong !....They will be equal....no man is great than no woman sister....In jannah all of em are treated as kings and queensSince they will be more like spouses, they will probably be given the status of one instead of a servant also,if it suits the man
Hehehehehehhe.....Can you provide us with the quranic reference where allah[swt] said he will give man[who enter jannah] 70/72 wives ??The numerical value of 70 is derived from a Quranic commentary by Quranic scholar Ibn Kathir.
The number 72 comes from a hadith that says "'The smallest reward [each] for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from [Damascus] to [Yemen].'"
Do ismailis listen to your garbage ?? Yes !!.....Do they start thinking the way you represent our faith ?? Yes !!!.....Then what makes you think that this innocent ismailis and non ismailis wont buy your garbage ??Do Muslims believe it literally? Are they required to? It is listed in an authoritative collection.
Well not they dont because truth always stands out !!....thats what allah[swt] said
Hehehehe....good luck and GET WELL SOONMost muslims believe that they will experience incredible physical pleasures when they enter heaven, and that you will be happier in heaven than you could possibly be in this life.
"Ineffable" is the perfect word to describe it, since the promise rewards beyond imagination, meaning you can't even guess what reward lies ahead since there is no equal on Earth. .. if you can imagine the greatest, richest, best thing in this life, then what will actually be there will be even better.
Good luck !!!!
You are just wasting time and splashing water !!!
You are skirmishing with words which are futile....
hou·ri
n. pl. hou·ris
1. A voluptuous, alluring woman.
2. One of the beautiful virgins of the Quranic paradise.
The ayats below are enough to support my argument...and they are complete and from three recognized narrators...you don't even show from whose TEXT you are quoting...must be a Wahabbi production....
houri
n pl -ris
nymphs of Paradise OR any alluring woman
' woman with dark eyes]
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms
Noun 1. houri - a voluptuously beautiful young woman
nymph
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2. houri - (Islam) one of the dark-eyed virgins of perfect beauty believed to live with the blessed in Paradise ...So VIRGINS have been clearly stated and which you have tried to deny or twist the expression using unrecognized translations....
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YUSUFALI: And on Thrones (of Dignity), raised high.
PICKTHAL: And raised couches;
SHAKIR: And exalted thrones.
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YUSUFALI: We have created (their Companions) of special creation.
PICKTHAL: Lo! We have created them a (new) creation
SHAKIR: Surely We have made them to grow into a (new) growth,
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YUSUFALI: And made them virgin - pure (and undefiled), -
PICKTHAL: And made them virgins,
SHAKIR: Then We have made them virgins,
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YUSUFALI: Beloved (by nature), equal in age,-
PICKTHAL: Lovers, friends,
SHAKIR: Loving, equals in age,
Now you said that women too will have the same level of paradise as men...kindly show me some ayats to support your claim !
There is allegedly a hadith in your books:
"a woman who dies and with whom the husband is happy will go to paradise..." and so what will she get there? more chance to serve the omnipotent Master Pontiff?
"..a wife should never refuse herself to her husband even if it is on the saddle of a camel.."
So now will things change in the heaven and your paradise? or will they still be sunjugated in the same manner?
"..prevent the woemn from learning..say No to their capricious ways.."
"adopt positions opposite those of women...there is great merit in such opposition.."
"impose nudity on women because clothes are one reason for leaving the house and meeting other men.."
Mr wise...are the above true or forgeries? and so now tell us if these voluptious women you are all craving for will be walking naked or will they adorn the "Veil"....
It is not the questioning of jumping from one sura to another...it is question of seeking corroboration....plus the TEXTS are NOT in chronological order, to begin with...the longer suras are in front...the shorter ones at the end....sura 5:3 comes and perfects Islam according the TEXTS...then suddenly Allah remembers 9as per the Aboo TEXTS) that an important message has to be delivered and so comes 5:67....not only that but Allah sends 109 additional suras thereafter....you guys are in one heck of a Jam....Allah says HIS BOOK is Perspicous i.e. flaless and perfect...the TEXTS are not....and so one has to go back and forth...I am showing you evidence from the TEXTS...it negates your arguments which are lame....I told you the arguemnts you offer are frivolous...For example Sura 96 was the first sura that was revealed...it appears as sura 96 in the TEXTS...
AL-ALAQ (THE CLOT, READ)
Total Verses: 19
Revealed At: MAKKA
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YUSUFALI: Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created-
PICKTHAL: Read: In the name of thy Lord Who createth,
SHAKIR: Read in the name of your Lord Who created.
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YUSUFALI: Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood:
PICKTHAL: Createth man from a clot.
SHAKIR: He created man from a clot.
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YUSUFALI: Proclaim! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful,-
PICKTHAL: Read: And thy Lord is the Most Bounteous,
SHAKIR: Read and your Lord is Most Honorable,
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YUSUFALI: He Who taught (the use of) the pen,-
PICKTHAL: Who teacheth by the pen,
SHAKIR: Who taught (to write) with the pen
Now do you know which was the lasy Sura? tell us !
The culture of your cult is profoundly anti feminist....you calling me "dear Sister" is also hollow and fake....and you know this as much as I do...you bigots simply want women to stay home and be at your beck and call...and assure you of a "tranquil" existence....and the same you have given yourself in your own imaginary paradise....noticeably leaving out the women...most of you are straight into the hell fire !!! so keep on dreaming !
I am actually laughing at your explanations....it is like a child from a kindergarten school trying to teach one who is in High School....80% of your explanation is absolutely rubbish ! I asked you to explain in one or two paragraphs the inner meanings (Tawil)....but literalists like you have no logic....
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YUSUFALI: Say: "If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.
PICKTHAL: Say: Verily, though mankind and the jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another.
SHAKIR: Say: If men and jinn should combine together to bring the like of this Quran, they could not bring the like of it, though some of them were aiders of others.
Now you know why your Aboos failed? Not only they disobeyed Muhamad (saw) but compiled their own TEXTS and REJECTED what the Prophet had sent to them with hadhrat Ali (as)...
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YUSUFALI: Those who break Allah's Covenant after it is ratified, and who sunder what Allah Has ordered to be joined, and do mischief on earth: These cause loss (only) to themselves.
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YUSUFALI: Know they not that Allah knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal?
YUSUFALI: And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.
PICKTHAL: Among them are unlettered folk who know the Scripture not except from hearsay. They but guess.
SHAKIR: And there are among them illiterates who know not the Book but only lies, and they do but conjecture.
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YUSUFALI: Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.
There is nothing you can teach to the people of Talim...don't waste our time !
Viru...the problem is that you like Mr Bush....you blow the bugle too soon and claim "mission accomplished"....nothing has been achieved...even Iraq got fragmented !! So stop fooling yourself and others....
Why didn't we ever go back to the moon again?
If humans could go to the moon back in the 60s then how come they cant now, 50 years later?
Apollo 17, the final Apollo mission, is generally considered the most scientifically significant of the Apollo missions. I.e. it is the mission from which sending a professional geologist (Harrison Schmitt) yielded some of the most useful sample material and surveying.
There were plenty of post Apollo-17 missions planned...it is just that the funding was cancelled with lack of political/public support.
We *did* go back. FIVE TIMES after the first time.
There were six separate Apollo Missions that yielded 12 total astronauts walking on the moon...and nobody can alter this truth....not even the Youtube propaganda clips...
The reason is indeed that we don't have the money or the resources.
Governing bodies have more important tasks that affect the lives of the people...at present, it would probably cost at least 150 billion dollars to do so, and that money could be spent much better on other things.
Unmanned space probes are cheaper and much less risky, obviously, at this point in time...plus economy is not so good and the country is in debt too with all the wars going on.
We went six times.
And just when the real science was getting started, the Nixon administration cancelled the remaining Apollo missions.
Congress favored a "reusable space vehicle" (the Shuttle Program), which was supposed to be a cheap way to 'shuttle' astronauts to and from low Earth orbit, mostly for space station assembly and human transportation to and from space stations.
Since the demand for technology to go to the Moon dropped to zero, companies who were contracted to build the equipment that got us to the Moon, quickly transformed their production facilities to make shuttle parts, which is a good business move... you don't hire expensive engineers to design parts for a customer that doesn't exist..
The progress of technology cannot be represented by the linear ascension of the surface of mercury in a thermometer. It is more complicated than that.
NASA was told to go to the Moon by JFK and they were given the money to develop the machines and methodology needed to do so, so they went.
Nixon cut funding to the Apollo program and the machines were mothballed.
No one told NASA to go to the Moon again nor gave them sufficient funding to do so.
George Bush told NASA in 2005 that they should go back to the Moon, so NASA started working on it again.
Going back to the Moon wasn't as simple as digging the blueprints of the old Saturn V rockets out of some file cabinet and setting to work.
The machine was outdated, the people who made it long since retired, the parts no longer produced... it would require as much money to start making Saturn V's again as it would to design and build an entirely new rocket system!
So that is what NASA did, but one problem; NASA wasn't given any money this time around.
George Bush basically pointed up and then walked out of the room.
Back in 1966 NASA used 4.4% of the federal budget.
That got us to the Moon. Today, NASA gets 0.6% of the federal budget. That means for every dollar you give to the federal government, NASA gets half a cent.
That percent only went down after Bush told NASA to go back to the Moon.
Bush's empty goal to go back to the Moon has since been abandoned.
The lesson? Rockets run on money, not hopes, and NASA has no money.
The US landed 12 people on the Moon in 6 separate trips between 1969 and 1972, at which point everyone got bored of watching people jump around on the Moon and NASA put the money elsewhere.
We can't go back tomorrow because we don't have the landers built. We could go back in a few years if we wanted to spend the money,
The famous Ismaili jurist and scholar of the Fatimid Court, Qadi Noman explained in Majalis 19 of his Code of Conduct for the Followers of the Imam:
"...The Imam never utters a word which is light, superfluous or meaningless. God has made the Imams free from these defects. If we imagine that a particular word uttered by the Imam is not fruitful, the fault lies with us. We are too dull to detect the proper meaning of the words uttered by the Imam. The signs and symbols used by the Imams, in the course of their conversation with us and hints dropped by them, are a fathomless ocean...."
Do please take the time to read this report....and think hard...about your own future....and what could happen to the wealth of the sheikhs and the despotic tyrants who have primarily kept their eggs in one basket assuming that the blessings of today will continue to prevail...when Aboo Hurayra asked the Holy Prophet what one should do when muslims are in serious difficulties and problems, the Prophet told him to "find the Imam" ! Aboo Hurayra asked three times and the Prophet gave him the same reply except on the third occasion the Holy Prophet was visibly upset and told Aboo Hurayra..." find the Imam and follow him and if you can't find him then live in the forest and eat vegetation but don't follow hypocrites..."
How America will collapse (by 2025)
Four scenarios that could spell the end of the United States as we know it -- in the very near future ...By Alfred McCoy
A soft landing for America 40 years from now? Don’t bet on it. The demise of the United States as the global superpower could come far more quickly than anyone imagines. If Washington is dreaming of 2040 or 2050 as the end of the American Century, a more realistic assessment of domestic and global trends suggests that in 2025, just 15 years from now, it could all be over except for the shouting.
Despite the aura of omnipotence most empires project, a look at their history should remind us that they are fragile organisms.
So delicate is their ecology of power that, when things start to go truly bad, empires regularly unravel with unholy speed: just a year for Portugal, two years for the Soviet Union, eight years for France, 11 years for the Ottomans, 17 years for Great Britain, and, in all likelihood, 22 years for the United States, counting from the crucial year 2003.
Future historians are likely to identify the Bush administration’s rash invasion of Iraq in that year as the start of America's downfall.
However, instead of the bloodshed that marked the end of so many past empires, with cities burning and civilians slaughtered, this twenty-first century imperial collapse could come relatively quietly through the invisible tendrils of economic collapse or cyberwarfare.
But have no doubt: when Washington's global dominion finally ends, there will be painful daily reminders of what such a loss of power means for Americans in every walk of life.
As a half-dozen European nations have discovered, imperial decline tends to have a remarkably demoralizing impact on a society, regularly bringing at least a generation of economic privation.
As the economy cools, political temperatures rise, often sparking serious domestic unrest.
Available economic, educational, and military data indicate that, when it comes to U.S. global power, negative trends will aggregate rapidly by 2020 and are likely to reach a critical mass no later than 2030.
The American Century, proclaimed so triumphantly at the start of World War II, will be tattered and fading by 2025, its eighth decade, and could be history by 2030.
Significantly, in 2008, the U.S. National Intelligence Council admitted for the first time that America's global power was indeed on a declining trajectory.
In one of its periodic futuristic reports, Global Trends 2025, the Council cited "the transfer of global wealth and economic power now under way, roughly from West to East" and "without precedent in modern history," as the primary factor in the decline of the "United States' relative strength -- even in the military realm."
Like many in Washington, however, the Council’s analysts anticipated a very long, very soft landing for American global preeminence, and harbored the hope that somehow the U.S. would long "retain unique military capabilities… to project military power globally" for decades to come.
No such luck. Under current projections, the United States will find itself in second place behind China (already the world's second largest economy) in economic output around 2026, and behind India by 2050.
Similarly, Chinese innovation is on a trajectory toward world leadership in applied science and military technology sometime between 2020 and 2030, just as America's current supply of brilliant scientists and engineers retires, without adequate replacement by an ill-educated younger generation.
By 2020, according to current plans, the Pentagon will throw a military Hail Mary pass for a dying empire.
It will launch a lethal triple canopy of advanced aerospace robotics that represents Washington's last best hope of retaining global power despite its waning economic influence. By that year, however, China's global network of communications satellites, backed by the world's most powerful supercomputers, will also be fully operational, providing Beijing with an independent platform for the weaponization of space and a powerful communications system for missile- or cyber-strikes into every quadrant of the globe.
Wrapped in imperial hubris, like Whitehall or Quai d'Orsay before it, the White House still seems to imagine that American decline will be gradual, gentle, and partial.
In his State of the Union address last January, President Obama offered the reassurance that "I do not accept second place for the United States of America."
A few days later, Vice President Biden ridiculed the very idea that "we are destined to fulfill [historian Paul] Kennedy's prophecy that we are going to be a great nation that has failed because we lost control of our economy and overextended."
Similarly, writing in the November issue of the establishment journal Foreign Affairs, neo-liberal foreign policy guru Joseph Nye waved away talk of China's economic and military rise, dismissing "misleading metaphors of organic decline" and denying that any deterioration in U.S. global power was underway.
Ordinary Americans, watching their jobs head overseas, have a more realistic view than their cosseted leaders.
An opinion poll in August 2010 found that 65 percent of Americans believed the country was now "in a state of decline."
Already, Australia and Turkey, traditional U.S. military allies, are using their American-manufactured weapons for joint air and naval maneuvers with China.
Already, America's closest economic partners are backing away from Washington's opposition to China's rigged currency rates.
As the president flew back from his Asian tour last month, a gloomy New York Times headline summed the moment up this way: "Obama's Economic View Is Rejected on World Stage, China, Britain and Germany Challenge U.S., Trade Talks With Seoul Fail, Too."
Viewed historically, the question is not whether the United States will lose its unchallenged global power, but just how precipitous and wrenching the decline will be.
In place of Washington's wishful thinking, let’s use the National Intelligence Council's own futuristic methodology to suggest four realistic scenarios for how, whether with a bang or a whimper, U.S. global power could reach its end in the 2020s (along with four accompanying assessments of just where we are today).
The future scenarios include: economic decline, oil shock, military misadventure, and World War III. While these are hardly the only possibilities when it comes to American decline or even collapse, they offer a window into an onrushing future.
Economic Decline: Present Situation
Today, three main threats exist to America’s dominant position in the global economy: loss of economic clout thanks to a shrinking share of world trade, the decline of American technological innovation, and the end of the dollar's privileged status as the global reserve currency.
By 2008, the United States had already fallen to number three in global merchandise exports, with just 11 percent of them compared to 12 percent for China and 16 percent for the European Union. There is no reason to believe that this trend will reverse itself.
Similarly, American leadership in technological innovation is on the wane.
In 2008, the U.S. was still number two behind Japan in worldwide patent applications with 232,000, but China was closing fast at 195,000, thanks to a blistering 400 percent increase since 2000.
A harbinger of further decline: in 2009 the U.S. hit rock bottom in ranking among the 40 nations surveyed by the Information Technology & Innovation Foundation when it came to "change" in "global innovation-based competitiveness" during the previous decade. Adding substance to these statistics, in October China's Defense Ministry unveiled the world's fastest supercomputer, the Tianhe-1A, so powerful, said one U.S. expert, that it "blows away the existing No. 1 machine" in America.
Add to this clear evidence that the U.S. education system, that source of future scientists and innovators, has been falling behind its competitors.
After leading the world for decades in 25- to 34-year-olds with university degrees, the country sank to 12th place in 2010. The World Economic Forum ranked the United States at a mediocre 52nd among 139 nations in the quality of its university math and science instruction in 2010.
Nearly half of all graduate students in the sciences in the U.S. are now foreigners, most of whom will be heading home, not staying here as once would have happened.
By 2025, in other words, the United States is likely to face a critical shortage of talented scientists.
Such negative trends are encouraging increasingly sharp criticism of the dollar's role as the world’s reserve currency.
"Other countries are no longer willing to buy into the idea that the U.S. knows best on economic policy," observed Kenneth S. Rogoff, a former chief economist at the International Monetary Fund.
In mid-2009, with the world's central banks holding an astronomical $4 trillion in U.S. Treasury notes, Russian president Dimitri Medvedev insisted that it was time to end "the artificially maintained unipolar system" based on "one formerly strong reserve currency."
Simultaneously, China's central bank governor suggested that the future might lie with a global reserve currency "disconnected from individual nations" (that is, the U.S. dollar).
Take these as signposts of a world to come, and of a possible attempt, as economist Michael Hudson has argued, "to hasten the bankruptcy of the U.S. financial-military world order."
Economic Decline: Scenario 2020
After years of swelling deficits fed by incessant warfare in distant lands, in 2020, as long expected, the U.S. dollar finally loses its special status as the world's reserve currency.
Suddenly, the cost of imports soars. Unable to pay for swelling deficits by selling now-devalued Treasury notes abroad, Washington is finally forced to slash its bloated military budget.
Under pressure at home and abroad, Washington slowly pulls U.S. forces back from hundreds of overseas bases to a continental perimeter. By now, however, it is far too late.
Faced with a fading superpower incapable of paying the bills, China, India, Iran, Russia, and other powers, great and regional, provocatively challenge U.S. dominion over the oceans, space, and cyberspace.
Meanwhile, amid soaring prices, ever-rising unemployment, and a continuing decline in real wages, domestic divisions widen into violent clashes and divisive debates, often over remarkably irrelevant issues. Riding a political tide of disillusionment and despair, a far-right patriot captures the presidency with thundering rhetoric, demanding respect for American authority and threatening military retaliation or economic reprisal. The world pays next to no attention as the American Century ends in silence.
Oil Shock: Present Situation
One casualty of America's waning economic power has been its lock on global oil supplies.
Speeding by America's gas-guzzling economy in the passing lane, China became the world's number one energy consumer this summer, a position the U.S. had held for over a century.
Energy specialist Michael Klare has argued that this change means China will "set the pace in shaping our global future."
By 2025, Iran and Russia will control almost half of the world's natural gas supply, which will potentially give them enormous leverage over energy-starved Europe.
Add petroleum reserves to the mix and, as the National Intelligence Council has warned, in just 15 years two countries, Russia and Iran, could "emerge as energy kingpins."
Despite remarkable ingenuity, the major oil powers are now draining the big basins of petroleum reserves that are amenable to easy, cheap extraction.
The real lesson of the Deepwater Horizon oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico was not BP's sloppy safety standards, but the simple fact everyone saw on "spillcam": one of the corporate energy giants had little choice but to search for what Klare calls "tough oil" miles beneath the surface of the ocean to keep its profits up.
Compounding the problem, the Chinese and Indians have suddenly become far heavier energy consumers. Even if fossil fuel supplies were to remain constant (which they won’t), demand, and so costs, are almost certain to rise -- and sharply at that. Other developed nations are meeting this threat aggressively by plunging into experimental programs to develop alternative energy sources.
The United States has taken a different path, doing far too little to develop alternative sources while, in the last three decades, doubling its dependence on foreign oil imports. Between 1973 and 2007, oil imports have risen from 36 percent of energy consumed in the U.S. to 66 percent.
Oil Shock: Scenario 2025
The United States remains so dependent upon foreign oil that a few adverse developments in the global energy market in 2025 spark an oil shock.
By comparison, it makes the 1973 oil shock (when prices quadrupled in just months) look like the proverbial molehill.
Angered at the dollar's plummeting value, OPEC oil ministers, meeting in Riyadh, demand future energy payments in a "basket" of Yen, Yuan, and Euros. That only hikes the cost of U.S. oil imports further.
At the same moment, while signing a new series of long-term delivery contracts with China, the Saudis stabilize their own foreign exchange reserves by switching to the Yuan. Meanwhile, China pours countless billions into building a massive trans-Asia pipeline and funding Iran's exploitation of the world largest percent natural gas field at South Pars in the Persian Gulf.
Concerned that the U.S. Navy might no longer be able to protect the oil tankers traveling from the Persian Gulf to fuel East Asia, a coalition of Tehran, Riyadh, and Abu Dhabi form an unexpected new Gulf alliance and affirm that China's new fleet of swift aircraft carriers will henceforth patrol the Persian Gulf from a base on the Gulf of Oman.
Under heavy economic pressure, London agrees to cancel the U.S. lease on its Indian Ocean island base of Diego Garcia, while Canberra, pressured by the Chinese, informs Washington that the Seventh Fleet is no longer welcome to use Fremantle as a homeport, effectively evicting the U.S. Navy from the Indian Ocean.
With just a few strokes of the pen and some terse announcements, the "Carter Doctrine," by which U.S. military power was to eternally protect the Persian Gulf, is laid to rest in 2025.
All the elements that long assured the United States limitless supplies of low-cost oil from that region -- logistics, exchange rates, and naval power -- evaporate. At this point, the U.S. can still cover only an insignificant 12 percent of its energy needs from its nascent alternative energy industry, and remains dependent on imported oil for half of its energy consumption.
The oil shock that follows hits the country like a hurricane, sending prices to startling heights, making travel a staggeringly expensive proposition, putting real wages (which had long been declining) into freefall, and rendering non-competitive whatever American exports remained. With thermostats dropping, gas prices climbing through the roof, and dollars flowing overseas in return for costly oil, the American economy is paralyzed.
With long-fraying alliances at an end and fiscal pressures mounting, U.S. military forces finally begin a staged withdrawal from their overseas bases.
Within a few years, the U.S. is functionally bankrupt and the clock is ticking toward midnight on the American Century.
Military Misadventure: Present Situation
Counterintuitively, as their power wanes, empires often plunge into ill-advised military misadventures. This phenomenon is known among historians of empire as "micro-militarism" and seems to involve psychologically compensatory efforts to salve the sting of retreat or defeat by occupying new territories, however briefly and catastrophically.
These operations, irrational even from an imperial point of view, often yield hemorrhaging expenditures or humiliating defeats that only accelerate the loss of power.
Embattled empires through the ages suffer an arrogance that drives them to plunge ever deeper into military misadventures until defeat becomes debacle.
In 413 BCE, a weakened Athens sent 200 ships to be slaughtered in Sicily.
In 1921, a dying imperial Spain dispatched 20,000 soldiers to be massacred by Berber guerrillas in Morocco.
In 1956, a fading British Empire destroyed its prestige by attacking Suez.
And in 2001 and 2003, the U.S. occupied Afghanistan and invaded Iraq. With the hubris that marks empires over the millennia, Washington has increased its troops in Afghanistan to 100,000, expanded the war into Pakistan, and extended its commitment to 2014 and beyond, courting disasters large and small in this guerilla-infested, nuclear-armed graveyard of empires.
Military Misadventure: Scenario 2014
So irrational, so unpredictable is "micro-militarism" that seemingly fanciful scenarios are soon outdone by actual events.
With the U.S. military stretched thin from Somalia to the Philippines and tensions rising in Israel, Iran, and Korea, possible combinations for a disastrous military crisis abroad are multifold.
It’s mid-summer 2014 and a drawn-down U.S. garrison in embattled Kandahar in southern Afghanistan is suddenly, unexpectedly overrun by Taliban guerrillas, while U.S. aircraft are grounded by a blinding sandstorm. Heavy loses are taken and in retaliation, an embarrassed American war commander looses B-1 bombers and F-16 fighters to demolish whole neighborhoods of the city that are believed to be under Taliban control, while AC-130U "Spooky" gunships rake the rubble with devastating cannon fire.
Soon, mullahs are preaching jihad from mosques throughout the region, and Afghan Army units, long trained by American forces to turn the tide of the war, begin to desert en masse.
Taliban fighters then launch a series of remarkably sophisticated strikes aimed at U.S. garrisons across the country, sending American casualties soaring.
In scenes reminiscent of Saigon in 1975, U.S. helicopters rescue American soldiers and civilians from rooftops in Kabul and Kandahar.
Meanwhile, angry at the endless, decades-long stalemate over Palestine, OPEC’s leaders impose a new oil embargo on the U.S. to protest its backing of Israel as well as the killing of untold numbers of Muslim civilians in its ongoing wars across the Greater Middle East.
With gas prices soaring and refineries running dry, Washington makes its move, sending in Special Operations forces to seize oil ports in the Persian Gulf.
This, in turn, sparks a rash of suicide attacks and the sabotage of pipelines and oil wells.
As black clouds billow skyward and diplomats rise at the U.N. to bitterly denounce American actions, commentators worldwide reach back into history to brand this "America's Suez," a telling reference to the 1956 debacle that marked the end of the British Empire.
World War III: Present Situation
In the summer of 2010, military tensions between the U.S. and China began to rise in the western Pacific, once considered an American "lake." Even a year earlier no one would have predicted such a development.
As Washington played upon its alliance with London to appropriate much of Britain's global power after World War II, so China is now using the profits from its export trade with the U.S. to fund what is likely to become a military challenge to American dominion over the waterways of Asia and the Pacific.
With its growing resources, Beijing is claiming a vast maritime arc from Korea to Indonesia long dominated by the U.S. Navy.
In August, after Washington expressed a "national interest" in the South China Sea and conducted naval exercises there to reinforce that claim, Beijing's official Global Times responded angrily, saying, "The U.S.-China wrestling match over the South China Sea issue has raised the stakes in deciding who the real future ruler of the planet will be."
Amid growing tensions, the Pentagon reported that Beijing now holds "the capability to attack… [U.S.] aircraft carriers in the western Pacific Ocean" and target "nuclear forces throughout… the continental United States."
By developing "offensive nuclear, space, and cyber warfare capabilities," China seems determined to vie for dominance of what the Pentagon calls "the information spectrum in all dimensions of the modern battlespace." With ongoing development of the powerful Long March V booster rocket, as well as the launch of two satellites in January 2010 and another in July, for a total of five, Beijing signaled that the country was making rapid strides toward an "independent" network of 35 satellites for global positioning, communications, and reconnaissance capabilities by 2020.
To check China and extend its military position globally, Washington is intent on building a new digital network of air and space robotics, advanced cyberwarfare capabilities, and electronic surveillance.
Military planners expect this integrated system to envelop the Earth in a cyber-grid capable of blinding entire armies on the battlefield or taking out a single terrorist in field or favela.
By 2020, if all goes according to plan, the Pentagon will launch a three-tiered shield of space drones -- reaching from stratosphere to exosphere, armed with agile missiles, linked by a resilient modular satellite system, and operated through total telescopic surveillance.
Last April, the Pentagon made history. It extended drone operations into the exosphere by quietly launching the X-37B unmanned space shuttle into a low orbit 255 miles above the planet.
The X-37B is the first in a new generation of unmanned vehicles that will mark the full weaponization of space, creating an arena for future warfare unlike anything that has gone before.
World War III: Scenario 2025
The technology of space and cyberwarfare is so new and untested that even the most outlandish scenarios may soon be superseded by a reality still hard to conceive.
If we simply employ the sort of scenarios that the Air Force itself used in its 2009 Future Capabilities Game, however, we can gain "a better understanding of how air, space and cyberspace overlap in warfare," and so begin to imagine how the next world war might actually be fought.
It’s 11:59 p.m. on Thanksgiving Thursday in 2025. While cyber-shoppers pound the portals of Best Buy for deep discounts on the latest home electronics from China, U.S. Air Force technicians at the Space Surveillance Telescope (SST) on Maui choke on their coffee as their panoramic screens suddenly blip to black.
Thousands of miles away at the U.S. CyberCommand's operations center in Texas, cyberwarriors soon detect malicious binaries that, though fired anonymously, show the distinctive digital fingerprints of China's People's Liberation Army.
The first overt strike is one nobody predicted. Chinese "malware" seizes control of the robotics aboard an unmanned solar-powered U.S. "Vulture" drone as it flies at 70,000 feet over the Tsushima Strait between Korea and Japan.
It suddenly fires all the rocket pods beneath its enormous 400-foot wingspan, sending dozens of lethal missiles plunging harmlessly into the Yellow Sea, effectively disarming this formidable weapon.
Determined to fight fire with fire, the White House authorizes a retaliatory strike. Confident that its F-6 "Fractionated, Free-Flying" satellite system is impenetrable, Air Force commanders in California transmit robotic codes to the flotilla of X-37B space drones orbiting 250 miles above the Earth, ordering them to launch their "Triple Terminator" missiles at China's 35 satellites. Zero response.
In near panic, the Air Force launches its Falcon Hypersonic Cruise Vehicle into an arc 100 miles above the Pacific Ocean and then, just 20 minutes later, sends the computer codes to fire missiles at seven Chinese satellites in nearby orbits. The launch codes are suddenly inoperative.
As the Chinese virus spreads uncontrollably through the F-6 satellite architecture, while those second-rate U.S. supercomputers fail to crack the malware's devilishly complex code, GPS signals crucial to the navigation of U.S. ships and aircraft worldwide are compromised. Carrier fleets begin steaming in circles in the mid-Pacific. Fighter squadrons are grounded.
Reaper drones fly aimlessly toward the horizon, crashing when their fuel is exhausted. Suddenly, the United States loses what the U.S. Air Force has long called "the ultimate high ground": space. Within hours, the military power that had dominated the globe for nearly a century has been defeated in World War III without a single human casualty.
A New World Order?
Even if future events prove duller than these four scenarios suggest, every significant trend points toward a far more striking decline in American global power by 2025 than anything Washington now seems to be envisioning.
As allies worldwide begin to realign their policies to take cognizance of rising Asian powers, the cost of maintaining 800 or more overseas military bases will simply become unsustainable, finally forcing a staged withdrawal on a still-unwilling Washington.
With both the U.S. and China in a race to weaponize space and cyberspace, tensions between the two powers are bound to rise, making military conflict by 2025 at least feasible, if hardly guaranteed.
Complicating matters even more, the economic, military, and technological trends outlined above will not operate in tidy isolation.
As happened to European empires after World War II, such negative forces will undoubtedly prove synergistic.
They will combine in thoroughly unexpected ways, create crises for which Americans are remarkably unprepared, and threaten to spin the economy into a sudden downward spiral, consigning this country to a generation or more of economic misery.
As U.S. power recedes, the past offers a spectrum of possibilities for a future world order. At one end of this spectrum, the rise of a new global superpower, however unlikely, cannot be ruled out.
Yet both China and Russia evince self-referential cultures, recondite non-roman scripts, regional defense strategies, and underdeveloped legal systems, denying them key instruments for global dominion. At the moment then, no single superpower seems to be on the horizon likely to succeed the U.S.
In a dark, dystopian version of our global future, a coalition of transnational corporations, multilateral forces like NATO, and an international financial elite could conceivably forge a single, possibly unstable, supra-national nexus that would make it no longer meaningful to speak of national empires at all.
While denationalized corporations and multinational elites would assumedly rule such a world from secure urban enclaves, the multitudes would be relegated to urban and rural wastelands.
In "Planet of Slums," Mike Davis offers at least a partial vision of such a world from the bottom up.
He argues that the billion people already packed into fetid favela-style slums worldwide (rising to two billion by 2030) will make "the 'feral, failed cities' of the Third World… the distinctive battlespace of the twenty-first century." As darkness settles over some future super-favela, "the empire can dep
loy Orwellian technologies of repression" as "hornet-like helicopter gun-ships stalk enigmatic enemies in the narrow streets of the slum districts… Every morning the slums reply with suicide bombers and eloquent explosions."
At a midpoint on the spectrum of possible futures, a new global oligopoly might emerge between 2020 and 2040, with rising powers China, Russia, India, and Brazil collaborating with receding powers like Britain, Germany, Japan, and the United States to enforce an ad hoc global dominion, akin to the loose alliance of European empires that ruled half of humanity circa 1900.
Another possibility: the rise of regional hegemons in a return to something reminiscent of the international system that operated before modern empires took shape. In this neo-Westphalian world order, with its endless vistas of micro-violence and unchecked exploitation, each hegemon would dominate its immediate region -- Brasilia in South America, Washington in North America, Pretoria in southern Africa, and so on. Space, cyberspace, and the maritime deeps, removed from the control of the former planetary "policeman," the United States, might even become a new global commons, controlled through an expanded U.N. Security Council or some ad hoc body.
All of these scenarios extrapolate existing trends into the future on the assumption that Americans, blinded by the arrogance of decades of historically unparalleled power, cannot or will not take steps to manage the unchecked erosion of their global position.
If America's decline is in fact on a 22-year trajectory from 2003 to 2025, then we have already frittered away most of the first decade of that decline with wars that distracted us from long-term problems and, like water tossed onto desert sands, wasted trillions of desperately needed dollars.
If only 15 years remain, the odds of frittering them all away still remain high. Congress and the president are now in gridlock; the American system is flooded with corporate money meant to jam up the works; and there is little suggestion that any issues of significance, including our wars, our bloated national security state, our starved education system, and our antiquated energy supplies, will be addressed with sufficient seriousness to assure the sort of soft landing that might maximize our country's role and prosperity in a changing world.
Europe's empires are gone and America's imperium is going. It seems increasingly doubtful that the United States will have anything like Britain's success in shaping a succeeding world order that protects its interests, preserves its prosperity, and bears the imprint of its best values.
Alfred W. McCoy is the J.R.W. Smail Professor of History at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. He is the author of A Question of Torture: CIA Interrogation, "From the Cold War to the War on Terror." Later this year, "Policing America's Empire: The United States, the Philippines, and the Rise of the Surveillance State," a forthcoming book of his, will explore the influence of overseas counterinsurgency operations on the spread of internal security measures here at home. More: Alfred W. McCoy
"...The Imam never utters a word which is light, superfluous or meaningless. God has made the Imams free from these defects. If we imagine that a particular word uttered by the Imam is not fruitful, the fault lies with us. We are too dull to detect the proper meaning of the words uttered by the Imam. The signs and symbols used by the Imams, in the course of their conversation with us and hints dropped by them, are a fathomless ocean...."
Do please take the time to read this report....and think hard...about your own future....and what could happen to the wealth of the sheikhs and the despotic tyrants who have primarily kept their eggs in one basket assuming that the blessings of today will continue to prevail...when Aboo Hurayra asked the Holy Prophet what one should do when muslims are in serious difficulties and problems, the Prophet told him to "find the Imam" ! Aboo Hurayra asked three times and the Prophet gave him the same reply except on the third occasion the Holy Prophet was visibly upset and told Aboo Hurayra..." find the Imam and follow him and if you can't find him then live in the forest and eat vegetation but don't follow hypocrites..."
How America will collapse (by 2025)
Four scenarios that could spell the end of the United States as we know it -- in the very near future ...By Alfred McCoy
A soft landing for America 40 years from now? Don’t bet on it. The demise of the United States as the global superpower could come far more quickly than anyone imagines. If Washington is dreaming of 2040 or 2050 as the end of the American Century, a more realistic assessment of domestic and global trends suggests that in 2025, just 15 years from now, it could all be over except for the shouting.
Despite the aura of omnipotence most empires project, a look at their history should remind us that they are fragile organisms.
So delicate is their ecology of power that, when things start to go truly bad, empires regularly unravel with unholy speed: just a year for Portugal, two years for the Soviet Union, eight years for France, 11 years for the Ottomans, 17 years for Great Britain, and, in all likelihood, 22 years for the United States, counting from the crucial year 2003.
Future historians are likely to identify the Bush administration’s rash invasion of Iraq in that year as the start of America's downfall.
However, instead of the bloodshed that marked the end of so many past empires, with cities burning and civilians slaughtered, this twenty-first century imperial collapse could come relatively quietly through the invisible tendrils of economic collapse or cyberwarfare.
But have no doubt: when Washington's global dominion finally ends, there will be painful daily reminders of what such a loss of power means for Americans in every walk of life.
As a half-dozen European nations have discovered, imperial decline tends to have a remarkably demoralizing impact on a society, regularly bringing at least a generation of economic privation.
As the economy cools, political temperatures rise, often sparking serious domestic unrest.
Available economic, educational, and military data indicate that, when it comes to U.S. global power, negative trends will aggregate rapidly by 2020 and are likely to reach a critical mass no later than 2030.
The American Century, proclaimed so triumphantly at the start of World War II, will be tattered and fading by 2025, its eighth decade, and could be history by 2030.
Significantly, in 2008, the U.S. National Intelligence Council admitted for the first time that America's global power was indeed on a declining trajectory.
In one of its periodic futuristic reports, Global Trends 2025, the Council cited "the transfer of global wealth and economic power now under way, roughly from West to East" and "without precedent in modern history," as the primary factor in the decline of the "United States' relative strength -- even in the military realm."
Like many in Washington, however, the Council’s analysts anticipated a very long, very soft landing for American global preeminence, and harbored the hope that somehow the U.S. would long "retain unique military capabilities… to project military power globally" for decades to come.
No such luck. Under current projections, the United States will find itself in second place behind China (already the world's second largest economy) in economic output around 2026, and behind India by 2050.
Similarly, Chinese innovation is on a trajectory toward world leadership in applied science and military technology sometime between 2020 and 2030, just as America's current supply of brilliant scientists and engineers retires, without adequate replacement by an ill-educated younger generation.
By 2020, according to current plans, the Pentagon will throw a military Hail Mary pass for a dying empire.
It will launch a lethal triple canopy of advanced aerospace robotics that represents Washington's last best hope of retaining global power despite its waning economic influence. By that year, however, China's global network of communications satellites, backed by the world's most powerful supercomputers, will also be fully operational, providing Beijing with an independent platform for the weaponization of space and a powerful communications system for missile- or cyber-strikes into every quadrant of the globe.
Wrapped in imperial hubris, like Whitehall or Quai d'Orsay before it, the White House still seems to imagine that American decline will be gradual, gentle, and partial.
In his State of the Union address last January, President Obama offered the reassurance that "I do not accept second place for the United States of America."
A few days later, Vice President Biden ridiculed the very idea that "we are destined to fulfill [historian Paul] Kennedy's prophecy that we are going to be a great nation that has failed because we lost control of our economy and overextended."
Similarly, writing in the November issue of the establishment journal Foreign Affairs, neo-liberal foreign policy guru Joseph Nye waved away talk of China's economic and military rise, dismissing "misleading metaphors of organic decline" and denying that any deterioration in U.S. global power was underway.
Ordinary Americans, watching their jobs head overseas, have a more realistic view than their cosseted leaders.
An opinion poll in August 2010 found that 65 percent of Americans believed the country was now "in a state of decline."
Already, Australia and Turkey, traditional U.S. military allies, are using their American-manufactured weapons for joint air and naval maneuvers with China.
Already, America's closest economic partners are backing away from Washington's opposition to China's rigged currency rates.
As the president flew back from his Asian tour last month, a gloomy New York Times headline summed the moment up this way: "Obama's Economic View Is Rejected on World Stage, China, Britain and Germany Challenge U.S., Trade Talks With Seoul Fail, Too."
Viewed historically, the question is not whether the United States will lose its unchallenged global power, but just how precipitous and wrenching the decline will be.
In place of Washington's wishful thinking, let’s use the National Intelligence Council's own futuristic methodology to suggest four realistic scenarios for how, whether with a bang or a whimper, U.S. global power could reach its end in the 2020s (along with four accompanying assessments of just where we are today).
The future scenarios include: economic decline, oil shock, military misadventure, and World War III. While these are hardly the only possibilities when it comes to American decline or even collapse, they offer a window into an onrushing future.
Economic Decline: Present Situation
Today, three main threats exist to America’s dominant position in the global economy: loss of economic clout thanks to a shrinking share of world trade, the decline of American technological innovation, and the end of the dollar's privileged status as the global reserve currency.
By 2008, the United States had already fallen to number three in global merchandise exports, with just 11 percent of them compared to 12 percent for China and 16 percent for the European Union. There is no reason to believe that this trend will reverse itself.
Similarly, American leadership in technological innovation is on the wane.
In 2008, the U.S. was still number two behind Japan in worldwide patent applications with 232,000, but China was closing fast at 195,000, thanks to a blistering 400 percent increase since 2000.
A harbinger of further decline: in 2009 the U.S. hit rock bottom in ranking among the 40 nations surveyed by the Information Technology & Innovation Foundation when it came to "change" in "global innovation-based competitiveness" during the previous decade. Adding substance to these statistics, in October China's Defense Ministry unveiled the world's fastest supercomputer, the Tianhe-1A, so powerful, said one U.S. expert, that it "blows away the existing No. 1 machine" in America.
Add to this clear evidence that the U.S. education system, that source of future scientists and innovators, has been falling behind its competitors.
After leading the world for decades in 25- to 34-year-olds with university degrees, the country sank to 12th place in 2010. The World Economic Forum ranked the United States at a mediocre 52nd among 139 nations in the quality of its university math and science instruction in 2010.
Nearly half of all graduate students in the sciences in the U.S. are now foreigners, most of whom will be heading home, not staying here as once would have happened.
By 2025, in other words, the United States is likely to face a critical shortage of talented scientists.
Such negative trends are encouraging increasingly sharp criticism of the dollar's role as the world’s reserve currency.
"Other countries are no longer willing to buy into the idea that the U.S. knows best on economic policy," observed Kenneth S. Rogoff, a former chief economist at the International Monetary Fund.
In mid-2009, with the world's central banks holding an astronomical $4 trillion in U.S. Treasury notes, Russian president Dimitri Medvedev insisted that it was time to end "the artificially maintained unipolar system" based on "one formerly strong reserve currency."
Simultaneously, China's central bank governor suggested that the future might lie with a global reserve currency "disconnected from individual nations" (that is, the U.S. dollar).
Take these as signposts of a world to come, and of a possible attempt, as economist Michael Hudson has argued, "to hasten the bankruptcy of the U.S. financial-military world order."
Economic Decline: Scenario 2020
After years of swelling deficits fed by incessant warfare in distant lands, in 2020, as long expected, the U.S. dollar finally loses its special status as the world's reserve currency.
Suddenly, the cost of imports soars. Unable to pay for swelling deficits by selling now-devalued Treasury notes abroad, Washington is finally forced to slash its bloated military budget.
Under pressure at home and abroad, Washington slowly pulls U.S. forces back from hundreds of overseas bases to a continental perimeter. By now, however, it is far too late.
Faced with a fading superpower incapable of paying the bills, China, India, Iran, Russia, and other powers, great and regional, provocatively challenge U.S. dominion over the oceans, space, and cyberspace.
Meanwhile, amid soaring prices, ever-rising unemployment, and a continuing decline in real wages, domestic divisions widen into violent clashes and divisive debates, often over remarkably irrelevant issues. Riding a political tide of disillusionment and despair, a far-right patriot captures the presidency with thundering rhetoric, demanding respect for American authority and threatening military retaliation or economic reprisal. The world pays next to no attention as the American Century ends in silence.
Oil Shock: Present Situation
One casualty of America's waning economic power has been its lock on global oil supplies.
Speeding by America's gas-guzzling economy in the passing lane, China became the world's number one energy consumer this summer, a position the U.S. had held for over a century.
Energy specialist Michael Klare has argued that this change means China will "set the pace in shaping our global future."
By 2025, Iran and Russia will control almost half of the world's natural gas supply, which will potentially give them enormous leverage over energy-starved Europe.
Add petroleum reserves to the mix and, as the National Intelligence Council has warned, in just 15 years two countries, Russia and Iran, could "emerge as energy kingpins."
Despite remarkable ingenuity, the major oil powers are now draining the big basins of petroleum reserves that are amenable to easy, cheap extraction.
The real lesson of the Deepwater Horizon oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico was not BP's sloppy safety standards, but the simple fact everyone saw on "spillcam": one of the corporate energy giants had little choice but to search for what Klare calls "tough oil" miles beneath the surface of the ocean to keep its profits up.
Compounding the problem, the Chinese and Indians have suddenly become far heavier energy consumers. Even if fossil fuel supplies were to remain constant (which they won’t), demand, and so costs, are almost certain to rise -- and sharply at that. Other developed nations are meeting this threat aggressively by plunging into experimental programs to develop alternative energy sources.
The United States has taken a different path, doing far too little to develop alternative sources while, in the last three decades, doubling its dependence on foreign oil imports. Between 1973 and 2007, oil imports have risen from 36 percent of energy consumed in the U.S. to 66 percent.
Oil Shock: Scenario 2025
The United States remains so dependent upon foreign oil that a few adverse developments in the global energy market in 2025 spark an oil shock.
By comparison, it makes the 1973 oil shock (when prices quadrupled in just months) look like the proverbial molehill.
Angered at the dollar's plummeting value, OPEC oil ministers, meeting in Riyadh, demand future energy payments in a "basket" of Yen, Yuan, and Euros. That only hikes the cost of U.S. oil imports further.
At the same moment, while signing a new series of long-term delivery contracts with China, the Saudis stabilize their own foreign exchange reserves by switching to the Yuan. Meanwhile, China pours countless billions into building a massive trans-Asia pipeline and funding Iran's exploitation of the world largest percent natural gas field at South Pars in the Persian Gulf.
Concerned that the U.S. Navy might no longer be able to protect the oil tankers traveling from the Persian Gulf to fuel East Asia, a coalition of Tehran, Riyadh, and Abu Dhabi form an unexpected new Gulf alliance and affirm that China's new fleet of swift aircraft carriers will henceforth patrol the Persian Gulf from a base on the Gulf of Oman.
Under heavy economic pressure, London agrees to cancel the U.S. lease on its Indian Ocean island base of Diego Garcia, while Canberra, pressured by the Chinese, informs Washington that the Seventh Fleet is no longer welcome to use Fremantle as a homeport, effectively evicting the U.S. Navy from the Indian Ocean.
With just a few strokes of the pen and some terse announcements, the "Carter Doctrine," by which U.S. military power was to eternally protect the Persian Gulf, is laid to rest in 2025.
All the elements that long assured the United States limitless supplies of low-cost oil from that region -- logistics, exchange rates, and naval power -- evaporate. At this point, the U.S. can still cover only an insignificant 12 percent of its energy needs from its nascent alternative energy industry, and remains dependent on imported oil for half of its energy consumption.
The oil shock that follows hits the country like a hurricane, sending prices to startling heights, making travel a staggeringly expensive proposition, putting real wages (which had long been declining) into freefall, and rendering non-competitive whatever American exports remained. With thermostats dropping, gas prices climbing through the roof, and dollars flowing overseas in return for costly oil, the American economy is paralyzed.
With long-fraying alliances at an end and fiscal pressures mounting, U.S. military forces finally begin a staged withdrawal from their overseas bases.
Within a few years, the U.S. is functionally bankrupt and the clock is ticking toward midnight on the American Century.
Military Misadventure: Present Situation
Counterintuitively, as their power wanes, empires often plunge into ill-advised military misadventures. This phenomenon is known among historians of empire as "micro-militarism" and seems to involve psychologically compensatory efforts to salve the sting of retreat or defeat by occupying new territories, however briefly and catastrophically.
These operations, irrational even from an imperial point of view, often yield hemorrhaging expenditures or humiliating defeats that only accelerate the loss of power.
Embattled empires through the ages suffer an arrogance that drives them to plunge ever deeper into military misadventures until defeat becomes debacle.
In 413 BCE, a weakened Athens sent 200 ships to be slaughtered in Sicily.
In 1921, a dying imperial Spain dispatched 20,000 soldiers to be massacred by Berber guerrillas in Morocco.
In 1956, a fading British Empire destroyed its prestige by attacking Suez.
And in 2001 and 2003, the U.S. occupied Afghanistan and invaded Iraq. With the hubris that marks empires over the millennia, Washington has increased its troops in Afghanistan to 100,000, expanded the war into Pakistan, and extended its commitment to 2014 and beyond, courting disasters large and small in this guerilla-infested, nuclear-armed graveyard of empires.
Military Misadventure: Scenario 2014
So irrational, so unpredictable is "micro-militarism" that seemingly fanciful scenarios are soon outdone by actual events.
With the U.S. military stretched thin from Somalia to the Philippines and tensions rising in Israel, Iran, and Korea, possible combinations for a disastrous military crisis abroad are multifold.
It’s mid-summer 2014 and a drawn-down U.S. garrison in embattled Kandahar in southern Afghanistan is suddenly, unexpectedly overrun by Taliban guerrillas, while U.S. aircraft are grounded by a blinding sandstorm. Heavy loses are taken and in retaliation, an embarrassed American war commander looses B-1 bombers and F-16 fighters to demolish whole neighborhoods of the city that are believed to be under Taliban control, while AC-130U "Spooky" gunships rake the rubble with devastating cannon fire.
Soon, mullahs are preaching jihad from mosques throughout the region, and Afghan Army units, long trained by American forces to turn the tide of the war, begin to desert en masse.
Taliban fighters then launch a series of remarkably sophisticated strikes aimed at U.S. garrisons across the country, sending American casualties soaring.
In scenes reminiscent of Saigon in 1975, U.S. helicopters rescue American soldiers and civilians from rooftops in Kabul and Kandahar.
Meanwhile, angry at the endless, decades-long stalemate over Palestine, OPEC’s leaders impose a new oil embargo on the U.S. to protest its backing of Israel as well as the killing of untold numbers of Muslim civilians in its ongoing wars across the Greater Middle East.
With gas prices soaring and refineries running dry, Washington makes its move, sending in Special Operations forces to seize oil ports in the Persian Gulf.
This, in turn, sparks a rash of suicide attacks and the sabotage of pipelines and oil wells.
As black clouds billow skyward and diplomats rise at the U.N. to bitterly denounce American actions, commentators worldwide reach back into history to brand this "America's Suez," a telling reference to the 1956 debacle that marked the end of the British Empire.
World War III: Present Situation
In the summer of 2010, military tensions between the U.S. and China began to rise in the western Pacific, once considered an American "lake." Even a year earlier no one would have predicted such a development.
As Washington played upon its alliance with London to appropriate much of Britain's global power after World War II, so China is now using the profits from its export trade with the U.S. to fund what is likely to become a military challenge to American dominion over the waterways of Asia and the Pacific.
With its growing resources, Beijing is claiming a vast maritime arc from Korea to Indonesia long dominated by the U.S. Navy.
In August, after Washington expressed a "national interest" in the South China Sea and conducted naval exercises there to reinforce that claim, Beijing's official Global Times responded angrily, saying, "The U.S.-China wrestling match over the South China Sea issue has raised the stakes in deciding who the real future ruler of the planet will be."
Amid growing tensions, the Pentagon reported that Beijing now holds "the capability to attack… [U.S.] aircraft carriers in the western Pacific Ocean" and target "nuclear forces throughout… the continental United States."
By developing "offensive nuclear, space, and cyber warfare capabilities," China seems determined to vie for dominance of what the Pentagon calls "the information spectrum in all dimensions of the modern battlespace." With ongoing development of the powerful Long March V booster rocket, as well as the launch of two satellites in January 2010 and another in July, for a total of five, Beijing signaled that the country was making rapid strides toward an "independent" network of 35 satellites for global positioning, communications, and reconnaissance capabilities by 2020.
To check China and extend its military position globally, Washington is intent on building a new digital network of air and space robotics, advanced cyberwarfare capabilities, and electronic surveillance.
Military planners expect this integrated system to envelop the Earth in a cyber-grid capable of blinding entire armies on the battlefield or taking out a single terrorist in field or favela.
By 2020, if all goes according to plan, the Pentagon will launch a three-tiered shield of space drones -- reaching from stratosphere to exosphere, armed with agile missiles, linked by a resilient modular satellite system, and operated through total telescopic surveillance.
Last April, the Pentagon made history. It extended drone operations into the exosphere by quietly launching the X-37B unmanned space shuttle into a low orbit 255 miles above the planet.
The X-37B is the first in a new generation of unmanned vehicles that will mark the full weaponization of space, creating an arena for future warfare unlike anything that has gone before.
World War III: Scenario 2025
The technology of space and cyberwarfare is so new and untested that even the most outlandish scenarios may soon be superseded by a reality still hard to conceive.
If we simply employ the sort of scenarios that the Air Force itself used in its 2009 Future Capabilities Game, however, we can gain "a better understanding of how air, space and cyberspace overlap in warfare," and so begin to imagine how the next world war might actually be fought.
It’s 11:59 p.m. on Thanksgiving Thursday in 2025. While cyber-shoppers pound the portals of Best Buy for deep discounts on the latest home electronics from China, U.S. Air Force technicians at the Space Surveillance Telescope (SST) on Maui choke on their coffee as their panoramic screens suddenly blip to black.
Thousands of miles away at the U.S. CyberCommand's operations center in Texas, cyberwarriors soon detect malicious binaries that, though fired anonymously, show the distinctive digital fingerprints of China's People's Liberation Army.
The first overt strike is one nobody predicted. Chinese "malware" seizes control of the robotics aboard an unmanned solar-powered U.S. "Vulture" drone as it flies at 70,000 feet over the Tsushima Strait between Korea and Japan.
It suddenly fires all the rocket pods beneath its enormous 400-foot wingspan, sending dozens of lethal missiles plunging harmlessly into the Yellow Sea, effectively disarming this formidable weapon.
Determined to fight fire with fire, the White House authorizes a retaliatory strike. Confident that its F-6 "Fractionated, Free-Flying" satellite system is impenetrable, Air Force commanders in California transmit robotic codes to the flotilla of X-37B space drones orbiting 250 miles above the Earth, ordering them to launch their "Triple Terminator" missiles at China's 35 satellites. Zero response.
In near panic, the Air Force launches its Falcon Hypersonic Cruise Vehicle into an arc 100 miles above the Pacific Ocean and then, just 20 minutes later, sends the computer codes to fire missiles at seven Chinese satellites in nearby orbits. The launch codes are suddenly inoperative.
As the Chinese virus spreads uncontrollably through the F-6 satellite architecture, while those second-rate U.S. supercomputers fail to crack the malware's devilishly complex code, GPS signals crucial to the navigation of U.S. ships and aircraft worldwide are compromised. Carrier fleets begin steaming in circles in the mid-Pacific. Fighter squadrons are grounded.
Reaper drones fly aimlessly toward the horizon, crashing when their fuel is exhausted. Suddenly, the United States loses what the U.S. Air Force has long called "the ultimate high ground": space. Within hours, the military power that had dominated the globe for nearly a century has been defeated in World War III without a single human casualty.
A New World Order?
Even if future events prove duller than these four scenarios suggest, every significant trend points toward a far more striking decline in American global power by 2025 than anything Washington now seems to be envisioning.
As allies worldwide begin to realign their policies to take cognizance of rising Asian powers, the cost of maintaining 800 or more overseas military bases will simply become unsustainable, finally forcing a staged withdrawal on a still-unwilling Washington.
With both the U.S. and China in a race to weaponize space and cyberspace, tensions between the two powers are bound to rise, making military conflict by 2025 at least feasible, if hardly guaranteed.
Complicating matters even more, the economic, military, and technological trends outlined above will not operate in tidy isolation.
As happened to European empires after World War II, such negative forces will undoubtedly prove synergistic.
They will combine in thoroughly unexpected ways, create crises for which Americans are remarkably unprepared, and threaten to spin the economy into a sudden downward spiral, consigning this country to a generation or more of economic misery.
As U.S. power recedes, the past offers a spectrum of possibilities for a future world order. At one end of this spectrum, the rise of a new global superpower, however unlikely, cannot be ruled out.
Yet both China and Russia evince self-referential cultures, recondite non-roman scripts, regional defense strategies, and underdeveloped legal systems, denying them key instruments for global dominion. At the moment then, no single superpower seems to be on the horizon likely to succeed the U.S.
In a dark, dystopian version of our global future, a coalition of transnational corporations, multilateral forces like NATO, and an international financial elite could conceivably forge a single, possibly unstable, supra-national nexus that would make it no longer meaningful to speak of national empires at all.
While denationalized corporations and multinational elites would assumedly rule such a world from secure urban enclaves, the multitudes would be relegated to urban and rural wastelands.
In "Planet of Slums," Mike Davis offers at least a partial vision of such a world from the bottom up.
He argues that the billion people already packed into fetid favela-style slums worldwide (rising to two billion by 2030) will make "the 'feral, failed cities' of the Third World… the distinctive battlespace of the twenty-first century." As darkness settles over some future super-favela, "the empire can dep
loy Orwellian technologies of repression" as "hornet-like helicopter gun-ships stalk enigmatic enemies in the narrow streets of the slum districts… Every morning the slums reply with suicide bombers and eloquent explosions."
At a midpoint on the spectrum of possible futures, a new global oligopoly might emerge between 2020 and 2040, with rising powers China, Russia, India, and Brazil collaborating with receding powers like Britain, Germany, Japan, and the United States to enforce an ad hoc global dominion, akin to the loose alliance of European empires that ruled half of humanity circa 1900.
Another possibility: the rise of regional hegemons in a return to something reminiscent of the international system that operated before modern empires took shape. In this neo-Westphalian world order, with its endless vistas of micro-violence and unchecked exploitation, each hegemon would dominate its immediate region -- Brasilia in South America, Washington in North America, Pretoria in southern Africa, and so on. Space, cyberspace, and the maritime deeps, removed from the control of the former planetary "policeman," the United States, might even become a new global commons, controlled through an expanded U.N. Security Council or some ad hoc body.
All of these scenarios extrapolate existing trends into the future on the assumption that Americans, blinded by the arrogance of decades of historically unparalleled power, cannot or will not take steps to manage the unchecked erosion of their global position.
If America's decline is in fact on a 22-year trajectory from 2003 to 2025, then we have already frittered away most of the first decade of that decline with wars that distracted us from long-term problems and, like water tossed onto desert sands, wasted trillions of desperately needed dollars.
If only 15 years remain, the odds of frittering them all away still remain high. Congress and the president are now in gridlock; the American system is flooded with corporate money meant to jam up the works; and there is little suggestion that any issues of significance, including our wars, our bloated national security state, our starved education system, and our antiquated energy supplies, will be addressed with sufficient seriousness to assure the sort of soft landing that might maximize our country's role and prosperity in a changing world.
Europe's empires are gone and America's imperium is going. It seems increasingly doubtful that the United States will have anything like Britain's success in shaping a succeeding world order that protects its interests, preserves its prosperity, and bears the imprint of its best values.
Alfred W. McCoy is the J.R.W. Smail Professor of History at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. He is the author of A Question of Torture: CIA Interrogation, "From the Cold War to the War on Terror." Later this year, "Policing America's Empire: The United States, the Philippines, and the Rise of the Surveillance State," a forthcoming book of his, will explore the influence of overseas counterinsurgency operations on the spread of internal security measures here at home. More: Alfred W. McCoy
The Prophet clearly told the muslims to sit in the house of the Truth, by entering the Ark of the Noah , and reaching the land safely....or face deluge !
They have not listened ! Most of them betrayed the Prophet (saw) and disobeyed him....reneged on their bayah given to the noble Prophet at Khum e Ghadir !
That authority, they do not Know him, and many of them have not entered the Ark of Noah, i.e. the path of his preaching (tariqa'i dawat-i u), so that their faith may become perfect and their souls may become safe from calamities.
The house which has no windows or openings remains dark.That is why some of them are in dhulmat (darkness)...and still asking irrelevant questions after some 1400 years..they still can't decide what to wear? or how to fold their hands? or pray? or eat? or learn? etc etc....
Follow what Allah has sent down ! NOT what your Aboos have created for you out of disobedience to Allah and HIS noble Prophet and shed your haughtiness and arrogance....time on this earth is too short and for just a "term appointed" !
Similarly, the heart of one who does not know the "sun" of their period, remains dark, without light and enlightenment. ....Allah guides unto HIS Noor whomsoever HE Wills....
And so many of them are deaf, dumb and blind !
They are always in darkness and in a state of irritation and enmity.
Darkness causes them suffering and they have strayed from the Right path, becoming lost, in wilderness.
Therefore the one who does not know the(hadir), and regards him as "fallible" or even absent (gha'ib) from the world, is erring, and is an alien to the community, and an enemy of Islam...a Munafiqun by definition !
People like these, owing to the absence of spiritual guidance, become split into sects, continually struggling, quarrelling and opposing each other.
They are at war with every other community until at last they will perish."
Now what kind of leadership do they have that is unable to guide them?
I do not like any people to get killed because of this political or religious strife....
I do not condone any kind of barbaric acts....but this "holier than thou" attitude is nauseating and it is time they put their act together !
There is one quality which brings prosperity and health to any community in
which it is present; but without it, the community will crumble into the
chaos of hatred, envy, ill-feeling and dissension.
That quality is the collective ability to live in tolerance of the
shortcomings of others: and its benefits are as essential for Muslim
societies as for any others.
Many muslims live today in the west...they receive all kinds of benefits...old age...pensions....welfare etc...many of them work to earn their living...now from where does the dollars come to these governments ? primarily from taxes....which include businesses such as financial institutions which charge customary interest...credit card companies which charge EXCEESIVE interest which is usury....porno and liquor or beer stores....massage parlours etc...many haram businesses....and so the question I now ask to some of these "good" muslims? why do you take such benefits and lap them with both your hands and have no qualms about it ...are they NOT also haram for you ?
You will shake your head and will try to listen a second time to hear how one year old girls are deflowered and exploited...and sold !!! and that too because sometimes their parents are poor....many muslim sisters have ended up in brothels...not out of choice !!!
There are 30 million muslim women today waiting to enjoy marriage, consortium, family life or sense of some kind of sanity or security....but muslim men are their best clients...even when Islam forbids this categorically !
One year old girls?..now this is simply outragious and then people want to thump their chests at me.. There are several links to such videos on the net...if the prophet married old women and widows and embraced their children too, then this is a part of his sunnah which most muslim men do not follow nor respect....they will throw out an old woman in favour of a young one...the Prophet (saw) has said No !!!!! but who listens !!!
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Oh really I'm wasting your time or its the other way around ?? ....Me, maherali bhai,shamsB bhai, agakhani bhai and to some extent parru were having a logical discussion on this topic when a dajjal showed up in the disguise of woman and claimed herself to be ismaili, heheheheheh......that dajjal tried all he could but lost miserably....and when everything failed he[disguised] as woman tried to be all innocent and made a biiiiiiiiiiig U turn saying oh i dont support drinking, I dont support adultry...but its promised in quran so why not do it while we are here on earth ? ....Poor dajjal dint realise that the wine that shall be served or the woman/man companion that would be bestowed on momins would be pure and afresh....Poor dajjal tried to claim that god will give man HOURIS[plural] which means more than one woman but lost in his own sentence as he cannot attach or link one aayat with anotherYou are just wasting time and splashing water !!!
You are skirmishing with words which are futile....
.....Having lost, dajjal revealed its real colors by changing topics i.e from drinking to adultry[sex] then from sex to space and from space to NOOR ....dajjal got sooooo frustrated that he dint knew what should be done in order to convince the innocent ismailis that hez a true ismaili and so he started writing another round of garbage @ below just to try one last time...............But you know what he'z about to be defeated....YET AGAIN !!! heheheheheYou're not going anywhere actually.....Just making circles as you're cornered and btw the houri that you referring @ above is from the European Usage !!! , hehehehou·ri
n. pl. hou·ris
1. A voluptuous, alluring woman.
2. One of the beautiful virgins of the Quranic paradise.
The ayats below are enough to support my argument...and they are complete and from three recognized narrators...you don't even show from whose TEXT you are quoting...must be a Wahabbi production....
houri
n pl -ris
nymphs of Paradise OR any alluring woman
' woman with dark eyes]
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
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Noun 1. houri - a voluptuously beautiful young woman
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2. houri - (Islam) one of the dark-eyed virgins of perfect beauty believed to live with the blessed in Paradise ...So VIRGINS have been clearly stated and which you have tried to deny or twist the expression using unrecognized translations....
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YUSUFALI: And on Thrones (of Dignity), raised high.
PICKTHAL: And raised couches;
SHAKIR: And exalted thrones.
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YUSUFALI: We have created (their Companions) of special creation.
PICKTHAL: Lo! We have created them a (new) creation
SHAKIR: Surely We have made them to grow into a (new) growth,
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YUSUFALI: And made them virgin - pure (and undefiled), -
PICKTHAL: And made them virgins,
SHAKIR: Then We have made them virgins,
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YUSUFALI: Beloved (by nature), equal in age,-
PICKTHAL: Lovers, friends,
SHAKIR: Loving, equals in age,
Now you said that women too will have the same level of paradise as men...kindly show me some ayats to support your claim !
The word "houri" has entered into several European languages (French - 1654, English – 1737) with a meaning of a "voluptuous, beautiful, alluring woman"
Just wanna let you know that the holy quran was nazil in arabic language and not english or french sister.....So stop fooling yourself and others , looool
In Islam[arabic], the ḥūr or ḥūrīyahor hoori (Arabic: حورية‎) are commonly translated as "(splendid) companions of equal age (well-matched)", "lovely eyed", of "modest gaze", "pure beings" or "companions pure" of paradise, denoting humans and jinn who enter paradise after being recreated anew in the hereafter.
According to classical Arabic usage in the time when the Qur'an was recited by rasool[saw], Hur'in is made of two words Hur as well as In. The word 'Hur' is the plural of both Ahwar/hawar (Masculine) and Hawra (Feminine) which literally translates as "white-eyed", or persons distinguished by Hawar, signifying "intense whiteness of the eyeballs and lustrous black of the pupils." , hence 'the purity. And as for the phrase, "In it is the plural of both 'Ayan' (Masculine) and 'Ainao' (Feminine)"
,. In general, this word implies 'most beautiful eye' irrespective of the person's gender. Thus, it seems that the most appropriate English rendering of the compound word Hur'In might be: "Companions pure, most beautiful of eye and it is applicable to both male and female
In Hebrew the corresponding adjective חיוור hiwer has the same root h-w-r, meaning "pale, whitish". The corresponding word for eye is עין Ayin.
Now about the woman as to how she will be treated in heaven or how she will get into heaven .....simple !!!.....Read quran allah[swt] says :
9:72Allah promiseth to the believers, men and women, Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide - blessed dwellings in Gardens of Eden. And - greater (far)! - acceptance from Allah. That is the supreme triumph
16:97Whosoever doeth right, whether male or female, and is a believer, him verily we shall quicken with good life, and We shall pay them a recompense in proportion to the best of what they used to do.
and the most important of allllllllllllllllll......
40:8 Our Lord! And make them enter the Gardens of Eden which thou hast promised them, with such of their fathers and their wives and their descendants as do right. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Mighty, the Wise.
How many times are you gonna make fool of yourself ?? hehehehe
Again jumping from topic to another...hehehe.....Its ok its your fitrat ...lets move on !Mr wise...are the above true or forgeries? and so now tell us if these voluptious women you are all craving for will be walking naked or will they adorn the "Veil"....
Sister asked whether the woman in heaven will be clothed or will walk naked ??
55:56 Therein are those of modest gaze, whom neither man nor jinni will have touched before them.
When our creator likes modesty....do you expect him to parade woman naked ??? Have you no shame sister ?? Plus allah[swt] does not appreciate adultry and so he mention in the holy quran
44:54 Even so (it will be). And We shall wed them unto fair ones with wide, lovely eyes.
And honestly iam not a big fan of hadiths to tell you the truth...but if at all you want hadiths in this context you might ponder on the hadiths @ below
Al-Hasan Al-Basri says that an old woman came to the messenger of Allah and made a request, O’ Messenger of Allah make Dua that Allah grants me entrance into Jannah. The messenger of Allah replied, O’ Mother, an old woman cannot enter Jannah. That woman started crying and began to leave. The messenger of Allah said, Say to the woman that one will not enter in a state of old age, but Allah will make all the women of Jannah young virgins[pure]. Allah Ta’aala says, Lo! We have created them a (new) creation and made them virgins, lovers, equal in age. (Surah Waaqi’ah, 35-37)
Get well soon sister
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Can anyone have a logical discussion with ignrants like you ? Your beliefs are at odds with logic and reason itself...and frankly if you guys had any worthwhile logic or intelligence, the Uma would not be in such turbulence and at cross roads with the others in society...anyone who tries to say that the Imam is "fallible" and is subject to errors, is NOT worth the dust on the road and is the real "dajjal" !
You haven't shown that women too like men will enjoy an enchanting paradise ...
Ismailis are unduly exposed to the ignorance of those like you and have to face superstition and legends which have infiltrated the prophet's religion and this infiltration has spoilt the "heavenly messages" ..
Ismailis are those who are holding on firmly to the two "weighty" and "precious" things the Prophet left behind for the Umma...they are sitting on the "Noah's Ark" - you are sitting inside a frail boat where you have sawed a few boards and have nailed them together to make a little row boat...and the mullahs are taking you towards the hellfire...now can anyone compare wasps with caterpillars?
Sermon 1 - Amir ul Mo'mineen - Ali ibn Talib
"..The Prophet of Islam left among you the Book.... its lessons and illustrations; its long and the short ones; its clear and obscure ones; detailing its abbreviations and clarifying its obscurities.
The correct guidance now comes from the Imams of the Ahl al Bayt,who have the sacred knowledge of the Tawil.They know the Zahir and the Batin...Allah has purified them so as to touch the recitations !
You are not even able to explain the tawil or the inner meanings of the ayats in question and you are boasting !
Amir ul Momineen describes members of his own family:...
" They are the life and death for ignorance" Then Imam Ali says: " Their forbearnace tells you of their knowledge and their silence of their wisdom; they do not go against right nor do they differ among themselves.."
And frankly you are nowhere near the intellect of Amir ul Momineen !
4:[56] Those who reject Our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire; as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the Penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
Oh really!! A logical discussion? You are dillusional. People have been scolding you for your beliefs and understanding of Ismaili Imam and Imamat. That is how it all started on this thread. I have copies of all of your past posts, even those you have deleted or edited. Logic has not touched you even with a 10 foot pole. You act like a resident mullah trying to prove everyone wrong and declaring yourself winner. Do you ever go back and read your posts and see how idiotic most of those are?shiraz.virani wrote:Oh really I'm wasting your time or its the other way around ?? ....Me, maherali bhai,shamsB bhai, agakhani bhai and to some extent parru were having a logical discussion on this topicYou are just wasting time and splashing water !!!
You are skirmishing with words which are futile....
Then you start calling names and lie about other people's stand on various issues.
From what I have been reading, and laughing at your idiocity, you have failed to answer or further the discussion with Zina. She has not even entered into a discussion with you but she is just in the stages getting a clear understanding of your stand. I can tell what is coming and I am sure you know that too and that is why you are creating too many topics within your posts and then turning the tables on others. Your idiotic remarks and name calling is not very ammusing to most nor are we interested in your version of Islam, let alone Ismailism. I have proven that you are not an Ismaili and have considered your presence here a Cancer. Termite might be a better word for your lousy intellect.
Your presence here is for one purpose only and that is to mislead the gullible Ismailis, especially the young, those who come here for search or research. This is the reason why you insert a comment or two in every one of your posts that will shake the Iman of those who may not have a strong faith thus raising questions in their minds.
Your display of arrogance is unmatched. Your use of smilies is bothersome and immatured. You arguments lack substance. Your knowledge is nothing but copy/paste and I have proven that as well. You call others masters of copy/paste yet you yourself have been caught plagiarising more than once.
By the way I am still waiting for the apology for lying about me!
My beef with you is only that you are here on a mission - a mission to mislead illinformed ismailis by creating doubts in their minds. You call yourself a murid of the 49th Imam yet you claim the 48th Imam changed the religion and turned it into a business. That is blasphemy, dear! Enough to ex-communicate you officially. The Admin on this site is very patient with you. Dont push it.
I am always around and reading these forums. I have just decided to leave the ignorant alone in his ignorance but that does not mean I am shaken in my faith. You have a very long way to go, son!
and the handle is "pardesi"!
Even YOUR Prophet has said that only one Jamat will remain on sirat ul mustaqeem...YOUR Prophet says:.." after my death most will revert to the habits of their precursors.." is that not what you are doing? then YOUR Prophet said:..."they will jump on my pulpit in the mosque like monkeys"....is that not what you see some folks from the zoo pretending to be righteous,doing? and making a mockery of themselves and Islam? Yes! we all see that !
Ali had written, and which he had brought out to the people once he had finished with it. He said to them: ‘This is the book of Allah, as Allah revealed to Muhammad. I have written it from two tablets.”
They said: “We have a complete version of the Qur’an, and so we don’t need anything from yours.”
He replied: ‘Very well. I swear by Allah that you will never, ever see it
again after this day of yours. Indeed, all that was incumbent upon me was to inform you of it when I finished it, that you may have been able to
read it [had you chosen].’” (As-Saffar al-Qummi Basa’ir 4:193
Al-Baqir said: There is absolutely no one from the people that can say he has the entirety of the Qur’an as it was revealed by Allah except a liar; the one only who possesses it all and has preserved it as it was revealed by Allah was Ali ibn Abi Talib, and the Imams after him. (As-Saffar al-Qummi Basa’ir 4:193
Word of the Prophet and the covenant of God, is for the believers, not the scum whom Allah does not care about. He has told the Prophet to say: “If you love Allah, then follow me, and Allah will love you,” and said: “Call upon Allah with insight, myself and those who follow me.” We see that your sect calls for the opposite of what the Imam have said.
In accordance with the promise of the Prophet: “The sun will rise upon us from the west.” Just as his forefather Abraham, who is the basis for this Law, had Lot seek out an abode of migration, and set one up in Syria, and fled from the land of his Antagonist and liberated the believers from there and from the humiliation of being there.
From Imam Al-Baqir, on verse 2:90: Terrible is what they have purchased for themselves, that they would jealously disbelieve in what Allah has sent down about Ali. (Al-‘Ayyashi Tafsir 1:50)
From Imam al-Baqir, on verse 2:102: “And they approved, by fidelity to the demons, what the demons told them about the kingdom of Solomon.” (Amir-Moezzi Divine Guide 85)
Is there any more need for proof here? Is this not the way of the Imams who came before, and the caliphs of the past?
Tell me that your Imams are like this, if you even know. When the signs of the Imam become manifest, and his flags are raised, and his
call is established, and his signs and proofs are made manifest, he will manifest himself over those who hate him and the Prophet says: :
“Indeed, my Lord has promised me that the sun will rise from the West,” and the esoteric meaning of this refers to the Imams of the Ahl al Bayt and also to the Imam of the time and age.
Just as the day rises at dawn, the sun which you see, will return to Ali ibn Abi Tailb, and that it is the sun of Caliphate after the Prophet of Allah.
This is no different then the return of the sun to Joshua after Aaron.
Does this proof need anymore? It is necessary for you to accept the fact
You have been prohibited entrance to the Bayt Allah in which is His Name is recited, and now you have become like the verse of Allah: “They are not allowed to enter except in fear, and they will have only humiliation in this worldly life.”
You have forgotten that change in Divine decree and will occurs in everything except Imamah... You lie, and you attack the call to Allah, and you you do what the earlier generations of yours did, just as the later generations will, even though Imam as-Sadiq has said:
“If one of you brought me the head of my son, then do not doubt that he is the Imam after me,” or his statement “The one who is between my two hands here, he is the Imam after me, so what ever you take from him, you have taken it from me.” (Ja’far ibn Mansur Sara’ir wa Asrar an-Nutaqa 248-256).
A man asked a question to Abu Ja’far [al-Baqir], to which he said: No one can claim to have all of the Qur’an, including its manifest aspect and
hidden aspects, except the inheritors [the ‘awsiya, the Imams]. (As-Saffar al-Qummi Basa’ir 4:193
Al-Baqir said: I do not see anybody in this ummah who has all possession of all of the Qur’an except the inheritors. (As-Saffar al-Qummi Basa’ir 4:193
This is because they have renounced the Qur’an, destroyed the traditions, and annihilated the laws.(Kulayni Al-Kafi 2:600)
From Imam Al-Baqir, : O you who have been given the book from before, believe in what has been sent down about Ali, verifying that which is with you. (Al-‘Ayyashi Tafsir 1:245).....
From Imam Ali, “God knows what is in their hearts, keep away from them for the Word of Wretchedness is destined to them, as is torment; address them in convincing words, that apply to their situation.” (Amir-Moezzi Divine Guide 85)
“However, Allah bears witness to what He has revealed to you concerning Ali. He brings it down with His Knowledge, to which the angels bear witness.” (Amir-Moezzi Divine Guide 85)
However, Allah bears witness to what He has revealed to you concerning Ali. He brings it down with His Knowledge, to which the angels bear witness.” (Amir-Moezzi Divine Guide 85)....
“Indeed, those who disbelieve and oppress the family of the Prophet, denying them their rights, then Allah will never forgive them.” (Amir-Moezzi Divine Guide 85)
Those who have who disbelieved and oppress the family of the Prophet, denying them their rights, if only they knew by what overturning they would be overturned.” (Amir-Moezzi Divine Guide
“Whoever obeys God and His Prophet regarding the holy power of Ali and the Imams after him will enjoy great happiness.” (Amir-Moezzi Divine Guide 85)
From Imam ar-Rida, commentary on verse 42:13: “He has established for you, o Family of Muhammad, that which he prescribed to Noah in religion, and what We reveal to you, o Muhammad, and what We had prescribed to Abraham, to Moses and to Jesus:
‘Establish the religion of the family of Muhammad, do not divide yourselves in it, and be united; Certainly God guides toward this religion, O Muhammad, him who repents, him who accepts your call toward the holy power of Ali.”
[ God chooses and calls to this religion whomever He chooses; He guides toward it him who repents]. (Amir-Moezzi Divine Guide 85)
From Imam Ali, on verse 70:1-3: “A questioner clamored for ineluctable punishment/For those who do not believe in the holy power of Ali, and no one can reject this punishment/That comes from God, the Master of Degrees.” (Amir-Moezzi Divine Guide 85)
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PARRU said :
PARRU aka TRET aka A1337 wake up !!! ....No matter what you think of me its irrelevant to current topic.....and apologise you ?? Why should I ? .....Just because you come with different i.d's doesnt mean that you'll get special treatment.....You stick to your guns and I shall stick to mine
Mislead Ismailis ??Oh really!! A logical discussion? You are dillusional. People have been scolding you for your beliefs and understanding of Ismaili Imam and Imamat. That is how it all started on this thread. I have copies of all of your past posts, even those you have deleted or edited. Logic has not touched you even with a 10 foot pole. You act like a resident mullah trying to prove everyone wrong and declaring yourself winner. Do you ever go back and read your posts and see how idiotic most of those are?
Then you start calling names and lie about other people's stand on various issues.
From what I have been reading, and laughing at your idiocity, you have failed to answer or further the discussion with Zina. She has not even entered into a discussion with you but she is just in the stages getting a clear understanding of your stand. I can tell what is coming and I am sure you know that too and that is why you are creating too many topics within your posts and then turning the tables on others. Your idiotic remarks and name calling is not very ammusing to most nor are we interested in your version of Islam, let alone Ismailism. I have proven that you are not an Ismaili and have considered your presence here a Cancer. Termite might be a better word for your lousy intellect.
Your presence here is for one purpose only and that is to mislead the gullible Ismailis, especially the young, those who come here for search or research. This is the reason why you insert a comment or two in every one of your posts that will shake the Iman of those who may not have a strong faith thus raising questions in their minds.
Your display of arrogance is unmatched. Your use of smilies is bothersome and immatured. You arguments lack substance. Your knowledge is nothing but copy/paste and I have proven that as well. You call others masters of copy/paste yet you yourself have been caught plagiarising more than once.
By the way I am still waiting for the apology for lying about me!
My beef with you is only that you are here on a mission - a mission to mislead illinformed ismailis by creating doubts in their minds. You call yourself a murid of the 49th Imam yet you claim the 48th Imam changed the religion and turned it into a business. That is blasphemy, dear! Enough to ex-communicate you officially. The Admin on this site is very patient with you. Dont push it.
I am always around and reading these forums. I have just decided to leave the ignorant alone in his ignorance but that does not mean I am shaken in my faith. You have a very long way to go, son!
and the handle is "pardesi"!
PARRU aka TRET aka A1337 wake up !!! ....No matter what you think of me its irrelevant to current topic.....and apologise you ?? Why should I ? .....Just because you come with different i.d's doesnt mean that you'll get special treatment.....You stick to your guns and I shall stick to mine -
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How is the saying of Hazrat Imam ali[as] has anything to do with the current topic = DRINKING.....why are you running away from the debate sister ?? Oh should I put it in your own words "Is the heat too much for you ? "Even YOUR Prophet has said that only one Jamat will remain on sirat ul mustaqeem...YOUR Prophet says:.." after my death most will revert to the habits of their precursors.." is that not what you are doing? then YOUR Prophet said:..."they will jump on my pulpit in the mosque like monkeys"....is that not what you see some folks from the zoo pretending to be righteous,doing? and making a mockery of themselves and Islam? Yes! we all see that !
Ali had written, and which he had brought out to the people once he had finished with it. He said to them: ‘This is the book of Allah, as Allah revealed to Muhammad. I have written it from two tablets.”
They said: “We have a complete version of the Qur’an, and so we don’t need anything from yours.”
He replied: ‘Very well. I swear by Allah that you will never, ever see it
again after this day of yours. Indeed, all that was incumbent upon me was to inform you of it when I finished it, that you may have been able to
read it [had you chosen].’” (As-Saffar al-Qummi Basa’ir 4:193
Al-Baqir said: There is absolutely no one from the people that can say he has the entirety of the Qur’an as it was revealed by Allah except a liar; the one only who possesses it all and has preserved it as it was revealed by Allah was Ali ibn Abi Talib, and the Imams after him. (As-Saffar al-Qummi Basa’ir 4:193
Word of the Prophet and the covenant of God, is for the believers, not the scum whom Allah does not care about. He has told the Prophet to say: “If you love Allah, then follow me, and Allah will love you,” and said: “Call upon Allah with insight, myself and those who follow me.” We see that your sect calls for the opposite of what the Imam have said.
In accordance with the promise of the Prophet: “The sun will rise upon us from the west.” Just as his forefather Abraham, who is the basis for this Law, had Lot seek out an abode of migration, and set one up in Syria, and fled from the land of his Antagonist and liberated the believers from there and from the humiliation of being there.
From Imam Al-Baqir, on verse 2:90: Terrible is what they have purchased for themselves, that they would jealously disbelieve in what Allah has sent down about Ali. (Al-‘Ayyashi Tafsir 1:50)
From Imam al-Baqir, on verse 2:102: “And they approved, by fidelity to the demons, what the demons told them about the kingdom of Solomon.” (Amir-Moezzi Divine Guide 85)
Is there any more need for proof here? Is this not the way of the Imams who came before, and the caliphs of the past?
Tell me that your Imams are like this, if you even know. When the signs of the Imam become manifest, and his flags are raised, and his
call is established, and his signs and proofs are made manifest, he will manifest himself over those who hate him and the Prophet says: :
“Indeed, my Lord has promised me that the sun will rise from the West,” and the esoteric meaning of this refers to the Imams of the Ahl al Bayt and also to the Imam of the time and age.
Just as the day rises at dawn, the sun which you see, will return to Ali ibn Abi Tailb, and that it is the sun of Caliphate after the Prophet of Allah.
This is no different then the return of the sun to Joshua after Aaron.
Does this proof need anymore? It is necessary for you to accept the fact
You have been prohibited entrance to the Bayt Allah in which is His Name is recited, and now you have become like the verse of Allah: “They are not allowed to enter except in fear, and they will have only humiliation in this worldly life.”
You have forgotten that change in Divine decree and will occurs in everything except Imamah... You lie, and you attack the call to Allah, and you you do what the earlier generations of yours did, just as the later generations will, even though Imam as-Sadiq has said:
“If one of you brought me the head of my son, then do not doubt that he is the Imam after me,” or his statement “The one who is between my two hands here, he is the Imam after me, so what ever you take from him, you have taken it from me.” (Ja’far ibn Mansur Sara’ir wa Asrar an-Nutaqa 248-256).
A man asked a question to Abu Ja’far [al-Baqir], to which he said: No one can claim to have all of the Qur’an, including its manifest aspect and
hidden aspects, except the inheritors [the ‘awsiya, the Imams]. (As-Saffar al-Qummi Basa’ir 4:193
Al-Baqir said: I do not see anybody in this ummah who has all possession of all of the Qur’an except the inheritors. (As-Saffar al-Qummi Basa’ir 4:193
This is because they have renounced the Qur’an, destroyed the traditions, and annihilated the laws.(Kulayni Al-Kafi 2:600)
From Imam Al-Baqir, : O you who have been given the book from before, believe in what has been sent down about Ali, verifying that which is with you. (Al-‘Ayyashi Tafsir 1:245).....
From Imam Ali, “God knows what is in their hearts, keep away from them for the Word of Wretchedness is destined to them, as is torment; address them in convincing words, that apply to their situation.” (Amir-Moezzi Divine Guide 85)
“However, Allah bears witness to what He has revealed to you concerning Ali. He brings it down with His Knowledge, to which the angels bear witness.” (Amir-Moezzi Divine Guide 85)
However, Allah bears witness to what He has revealed to you concerning Ali. He brings it down with His Knowledge, to which the angels bear witness.” (Amir-Moezzi Divine Guide 85)....
“Indeed, those who disbelieve and oppress the family of the Prophet, denying them their rights, then Allah will never forgive them.” (Amir-Moezzi Divine Guide 85)
Those who have who disbelieved and oppress the family of the Prophet, denying them their rights, if only they knew by what overturning they would be overturned.” (Amir-Moezzi Divine Guide
“Whoever obeys God and His Prophet regarding the holy power of Ali and the Imams after him will enjoy great happiness.” (Amir-Moezzi Divine Guide 85)
From Imam ar-Rida, commentary on verse 42:13: “He has established for you, o Family of Muhammad, that which he prescribed to Noah in religion, and what We reveal to you, o Muhammad, and what We had prescribed to Abraham, to Moses and to Jesus:
‘Establish the religion of the family of Muhammad, do not divide yourselves in it, and be united; Certainly God guides toward this religion, O Muhammad, him who repents, him who accepts your call toward the holy power of Ali.”
[ God chooses and calls to this religion whomever He chooses; He guides toward it him who repents]. (Amir-Moezzi Divine Guide 85)
From Imam Ali, on verse 70:1-3: “A questioner clamored for ineluctable punishment/For those who do not believe in the holy power of Ali, and no one can reject this punishment/That comes from God, the Master of Degrees.” (Amir-Moezzi Divine Guide 85)
Yes and that is your mission - that is to mislead ismailis who come here for knowledge. I only have one handle on this website and that is "pardesi". I am not no "TRET" or "A1337". I don't need to post under several names and Admin will confirm this for you. You are just paranoid, son!shiraz.virani wrote:
Mislead Ismailis ??
I asked for your apology because you said that I am okay with drinking and adultry. Go back towards the beginning of this thread and look for my post in response to your above accusation. You will find it. I have not discussed drinking, adultry, sex etc. on these forums with anyone. You lied.
I am sticking to my guns which is my strong faith in the continuous line of Imams. In the above post that I mentioned I asked a few questions which you have conveniently ignored. Lying, misleading, arrogance, name calling and stamping your understanding of Quran over others as correct is your trait. Those are your guns! You will no doubt stick to those.
Now start by apologizing and then explaining your statement that the 48th Imam transformed the religion into a business! Then we will talk about how religion was totally different back in the times of 46th and 47th Imam.
Are you by any chance decendent of those who left Ismailism during the time of Imam Sultan Mohammad Shah, my 48th Imam? You know the Ithna-asheri khojas or the Sunni Khojas? You sure sound like those!
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Munna parru !!Yes and that is your mission - that is to mislead ismailis who come here for knowledge. I only have one handle on this website and that is "pardesi". I am not no "TRET" or "A1337". I don't need to post under several names and Admin will confirm this for you. You are just paranoid, son!
Confirm what with admin ?? Theres the rule on this forum and that is if you wanna have more than 2 i.d's on this forum you should have 2 valid email addresses
....So stop fooling around !!No I did not.....infact you're not just ok with drinking,adultry...you're even ok with homosexuals @ a1337I asked for your apology because you said that I am okay with drinking and adultry. Go back towards the beginning of this thread and look for my post in response to your above accusation. You will find it. I have not discussed drinking, adultry, sex etc. on these forums with anyone. You lied.
......So apologising you ??? ....Nahhhhh !!!Well I know you're mad because you had high hopes that zina khan [your messiah] would try to defuse my doubts and arguements but instead got servedI am sticking to my guns which is my strong faith in the continuous line of Imams. In the above post that I mentioned I asked a few questions which you have conveniently ignored. Lying, misleading, arrogance, name calling and stamping your understanding of Quran over others as correct is your trait. Those are your guns! You will no doubt stick to those.
whatever questions you have save it on your laptop....once Im done with zina.khan you're next in que
Apologies for telling the truth ?? Nahhhhhhhhhh !!!!Now start by apologizing and then explaining your statement that the 48th Imam transformed the religion into a business! Then we will talk about how religion was totally different back in the times of 46th and 47th Imam.
Nope ....Iam shia imami ismaili nizari muslim, what about you ?? ....heheheheAre you by any chance decendent of those who left Ismailism during the time of Imam Sultan Mohammad Shah, my 48th Imam? You know the Ithna-asheri khojas or the Sunni Khojas? You sure sound like those!
If you still wanna carry on these debates .....send me your email address and we shall continue there because tagging people is your job and not mine !!
Plus I dont want you to call me anymore names because Im VIRU as per you....Non Ismaili as per zina.khan and so on
Its pardesi, son! Has it ever occured to you that I may be your father'shiraz.virani wrote:Munna parru !!Yes and that is your mission - that is to mislead ismailis who come here for knowledge. I only have one handle on this website and that is "pardesi". I am not no "TRET" or "A1337". I don't need to post under several names and Admin will confirm this for you. You are just paranoid, son!
s age? Do you call your father "Munna pappa" or "Munna Daddy" or "Munna Bhai"?
I didn't realize you were so paranoid of "TRET" or "A1337". See here again you proved my point. Whatever gets into your pea sized brains you take it to be the only truth. Here you have mistaken me for "A1337" and even upon my denial you insist that I am "A1337". What? Bad memories with "A1337"?shiraz.virani wrote: Confirm what with admin ?? Theres the rule on this forum and that is if you wanna have more than 2 i.d's on this forum you should have 2 valid email addresses
pardesi wrote:I asked for your apology because you said that I am okay with drinking and adultry. Go back towards the beginning of this thread and look for my post in response to your above accusation. You will find it. I have not discussed drinking, adultry, sex etc. on these forums with anyone. You lied.
Your only excuse to not apologizing is that you consider me the same as "A1337", whoever that person is. Oh by the way, I am "Admin", "Agakhani", "kmeherali" and all those who oppose you.shiraz.virani wrote:No I did not.....infact you're not just ok with drinking,adultry...you're even ok with homosexuals @ a1337
Idiot! If I was really "A1337" then why would I hide behind "pardesi"? Brother/Sister "A1337" will you please stop showing up in this idiot's dreams! You have scared the *iss out of him.
pardesi wrote:I am sticking to my guns which is my strong faith in the continuous line of Imams. In the above post that I mentioned I asked a few questions which you have conveniently ignored. Lying, misleading, arrogance, name calling and stamping your understanding of Quran over others as correct is your trait. Those are your guns! You will no doubt stick to those.
Zina Khan, whoever he/she is, may be the worst nightmare for you - s/he is not my messiah, son! And I am not mad at all because I could read between the lines where s/he was taking you - the CLEANERS but I must say you are very clever so you started going in circles and making fun of people. You are hiding behind all those smilies and idiotic posts/responses. But that is between you and Zina Khan. You won't be able to handle both of us together.shiraz.virani wrote:Well I know you're mad because you had high hopes that zina khan [your messiah] would try to defuse my doubts and arguements but instead got served
shiraz.virani wrote:whatever questions you have save it on your laptop....once Im done with zina.khan you're next in que
Oooooh! I am shi**ing bricks!! 
pardesi wrote:Now start by apologizing and then explaining your statement that the 48th Imam transformed the religion into a business! Then we will talk about how religion was totally different back in the times of 46th and 47th Imam.
No! Apologize for telling a lie, moron!shiraz.virani wrote:Apologies for telling the truth ?? Nahhhhhhhhhh !!!!
pardesi wrote:Are you by any chance decendent of those who left Ismailism during the time of Imam Sultan Mohammad Shah, my 48th Imam? You know the Ithna-asheri khojas or the Sunni Khojas? You sure sound like those!
Yeah! Shia Imami Ismaili Nizari muslim who stopped believing in the Shia Ismaili Nizari Imams at 47, skipped the 48th, then realized no lets get back in the fold so you can hollow out the Imans of the Ismailis from inside like a termite so started to pretent like you really believe in the 49th Imam. Explain your statement about the 48th Imam. You said he made sooooo many changes and transformed the religion into a business. Did you not, resident mullah?shiraz.virani wrote:Nope ....Iam shia imami ismaili nizari muslim, what about you ?? ....hehehehe
Why through private emails? Because I am exposing you and your beliefs here so you want to step into the privacy of individual email system? Nope! Whatever we discuss, it will be right here.shiraz.virani wrote:If you still wanna carry on these debates .....send me your email address and we shall continue there because tagging people is your job and not mine !!
Oh by the way, Zina Khan asked you the same thing - discuss and debate in private email setup? Why did you not accept his/her invitation?
Another lie ! I have never called you VIRU! You are "Shiraz Virani" according to your confession. Or are you Shamsuddin Virani? Whoever you are, you need to take off the garb of Ismaili and come in the open. This forum allows you to criticize our practices and beliefs but be open about your own beliefs and we will be forthcoming with answers.shiraz.virani wrote:Plus I dont want you to call me anymore names because Im VIRU as per you....Non Ismaili as per zina.khan and so on
I am next in que? Arrogant mullah, I am always here. Any time!
not parru, not TRET, not A1337
its pardesi for you Mister!
eji maakar maakar kaai noograa no sang
re te to noogare jaaliyo taaro chheddlo hoji..................6
noogra - the ones without a Guide
Do not maintain any meaningful relationship with those who are without a Guide (do not follow the path of those who have gone astray).
They are clinging by your side in order to lead you astray at the right moment...and so pal, Pardesi has described you very nicely....and frankly the readership is now able to know your designs all too well..
You had stated categorically about the "fallibility" of the Imam saying he was subject to errors ....
Hazrat Ali has everything to do with this subject because it is only Ali (as) all the way...it is only Ali....there isn't any distinction one can make....the moment one attempts to make such distinctions, he or she is an Idol worshipper...
Allah does not even make any distinctions amongst his Prophet's for the same reason....you are following NOT the Rope of Imamat but physical forms....You are a polytheist !
INNAL QURAN ONZILLA ALA SAB'ATU AHROFIN MA MINHA HARFON ILLA WALLAHU ZAHERON WA BATANON WA INNA ALI IBNE ABI TALEB, INDAHU MINHO ZAHERO WAL BATIN !
Now you tell us how do the ayats relating to Ale e Imran become fulfilled? and where? and by whom? and how?
You don't even know why you are facing the kaaba...how can just "drinking" be haram....it is NOT !!! we drink many things daily...INTOXICANTS and INTOXICATION leading to Impairment, slumber and dizziness is haram....but then is cleaning your rear end with bare hands and water also not unclean? Or smothering the masjid bathrooms sitting down like a woman and peeing everywhere not unclean and unhygenic?...OR sucking in welfare benefits coming from tax dollars collected from haram businesses not haram for you?
At the time when Hazrat Ali took the office of the 4th Caliph of the islamic Umma, in a sermon presenting his credentials to the people he said...
" FI ISMI FI TORAT E ELIAH FIL INSIL E ELIE, VA FIL QURAN E ALIYUL AZIM, VA IND UMMIE HAIDERA, VA IND ABI SABDER VA IND NABI MURTAZA, VA IND MUSALMAN KARARIN GAYR FARAR"....
"One of the manifestations of their rejecting the Book (of Allah behind their backs) (see Quran 2:101) is that they have fixed its
words... they have altered the limits (of its command) (harrafu hududah). They narrate it, but they do not observe(what) it (says)....Ignorant people delight in the preservation of their narration, but the knowledgeable people deplore their ignoring to observe (what) it (says)."....( Ahl al Bayt)!
Multiple English translations of the Qur'an, Islam's scripture, line shelves at book stores.
Amazon.com sells more than a dozen. Because of the growing Muslim communities in English-speaking countries, as well as greater academic interest in Islam, there has been a blossoming in recent years of English translations.
Muslims view the Qur'an as God's direct words revealed in Arabic to the Prophet Muhammad (d. 632)....but the narrators claim it is the word of the Messenger...
Because the Qur'an stresses its Arabic nature, Muslim scholars believe that any translation cannot be more than an approximate interpretation, intended only as a tool for the study and understanding of the original Arabic text.
Since fewer than 20 percent of Muslims speak Arabic, this means that most Muslims study the text only in translation.
So how accurate are the Qur'an's renderings into English?
The record is mixed.
Some are simply poor translations. Others adopt sectarian biases, and those that are funded by Saudi Arabia often insert political annotation.
Since translators seek to convey not only text but also meaning, many rely on the interpretation (tafsir) of medieval scholars in order to conform to an "orthodox" reading.
Early Translations
The first translations to English were not undertaken by Muslims but by Christians who sought to debunk Islam and aid in the conversion of Muslims to Christianity.
Alexander Ross, chaplain to Charles I (r. 1625-49) and the first to embark on the translation process, subtitled his 1649 work as "newly Englished for the satisfaction for all that desire to look into the Turkish vanities."
Interestingly, Ross did not speak Arabic and relied on secondarily translating from the French, a language in which he was not well-schooled.
He, therefore, based his interpretation on a problematic rendition by Andrew Du Ryer.
According to George Sale (1697-1736), "[Du Ryer's] performance … is far from being a just translation; there being mistakes in every page, besides frequent transpositions, omissions and additions, faults."[15]
Most eighteenth and nineteenth century translations were undertaken by authors without strong background in Islam.
As they were goaded by the urge to answer Christian polemic, their forgettable works do not reflect any intellectual depth; as such, copies are extremely rare.
Among the best known, albeit pejorative, English-language analyses of Islam during this time were those by Christian authors such as George Sale, John Rodwell (1808-1900), Edward Palmer (1840-1882), and Sir William Muir (1819-1905).
Of these, Sale was probably the most important because he wrote a detailed critique about earlier translations.
His work became the standard reference for all English readers until almost the end of the nineteenth century.
However, his work was limited by his lack of access to public libraries forcing him to rely only upon material in his personal collection.
While Sale gave the impression that he based his translation on the Arabic text, others have suggested that he relied on an earlier Latin translation.
Sale did not insert verse numbers into his work, nor did he insert footnotes or other explanations.
The result, therefore, is a work that is extremely difficult to comprehend.
And so what are you boasting?
Imaam Jafar as-Sadiq said:
"The Earth is NEVER devoid of the Imam: whenever the believers advance too far, he turns them back, and whenever they fall short, he completes them." (Al-Kulayni Al-Kafi 1:178)
Imam as-Sadiq also has said: "I swear by Allah, that the Earth is NEVER devoid of the Hujjah....and so Imam never disappears or hides forever ! he is physically always present on this earth ! It is logical !
The Quran makes a clear distinction between blood relationship in accordance with the Decree of Allah and those without and this denotes the superiority of Aliyy who was the Prophet's first cousin and son in law, whom the Prophet had also brought up as a son since childhood - each night Aliyy as a child used to sleep on the chest of the prophet and he used to take something from his mouth and put it into Aliyy's mouth (peace be on them )....
Bibi Fatema as Zahara was the beloved daughter of the Prophet and Bibi Khadijah and Hassan and Hussain were their children and the favourite grand children of the Prophet and the pure progeny or posterity from their ancestry clearly establishes this lineage of "blood relationship" which Allah has favoured over all other relationships....
"Lo ! WE have given you abundant Posterity...it is thy insulter who is without posterity....so people should only identify with the Nur e Imamah !!! It is only Ali (as)....
Also the Quran is categorical here....it uses the expression "believers" implying belief and faith in Allah and HIS Prophet....so how does one qualify as a believer ?
And so if wives of Prophet are "Mothers of the believers" then one must, out of necessity be a believer or faithful.....merely a verbal profession of faith or submitting does not mean faith has entered the heart....
"SAY: unto them O ! Muhamad, ye believe NOT, but rather say: "we submit", for the faith hath not yet entered into your hearts.."
The ahadith of the Prophet that defines who is a believer or the faithful !
In hadith AMAN ul UMMA, the Prophet categorically says...
"...if anyone opposes his family they fall into dispute and they become part of SATAN's MINNIONS..."
" In hadith AL-THAQALYN, Prophet says,,,
" Verily I am leaving you TWO precious things, the Book of God and MY PROGENY....as long as you cling to these two, you will never go astray..."
Now when Aliyy brought the Book to the people they rejected it and the Caliphs compiled their own TEXTS...(ample evidence is in your own books).....and additionally they also rejected the Progeny even when the Quran clearly says that the blood relationship is stronger and thus superior as per Allah's Decree....
So now at least first convince me that you are indeed a "believer" in order to satisfy the condition placed by Allah ? and whether you still belong to the Ummat of Muhamad (saw)?
Then only we can decide whether any of the wives are even your Mother or not ?
They (the wives) are only Mothers of the faithful and the believers and which as per the Prophet you are NOT !....
So first and foremost satisfy the condition ...You have to be a believer and faithful and the Prophet says you are NOT !
I am thus apt to conclude that neither of the wives of our beloved Prophet are your Mothers ! neither ! and the Quran too is not with you...so what does this then make you? figure it out !
Thanks !
Zinat Khan
Imam Ahmed (rah) mentioned these verses: Would ye then, if ye were given the command, work corruption in the land and sever your ties of kinship?
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YUSUFALI: Then, is it to be expected of you, if ye were put in authority, that ye will do mischief in the land, and break your ties of kith and kin?
PICKTHAL: Would ye then, if ye were given the command, work corruption in the land and sever your ties of kinship?
SHAKIR: But if you held command, you were sure to make mischief in the land and cut off the ties of kinship!
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YUSUFALI: Such are the men whom Allah has cursed for He has made them deaf and blinded their sight.
PICKTHAL: Such are they whom Allah curseth so that He deafeneth them and maketh blind their eyes.
SHAKIR: Those it is whom Allah has cursed so He has made them deaf and blinded their eyes.
Such are the men whom Allah has cursed…(47:22-23) Hence what could be a bigger Strife than what you and your those like you did?[ [Ruh ul Ma’ani by Imam Al-Alusi, Volume 9 Under Surah Muhammad 22-23]
Shakir 5:93] On those who believe and do good there is no blame for what they eat, when they are careful (of their duty) and believe and do good deeds, then they are careful (of their duty) and believe, then they are careful (of their duty) and do good (to others), and Allah loves those who do good (to others).
Refer to the commentary of verses 87 and 88 of this surah of Aqa Mahdi pooya.... This verse refers to the case of those Muslims who were told to safeguard themselves from evil, d0 good and believe.
Believing in Allah, doing good and safeguarding oneself against all evil with full awareness of Allah's laws.
People must always strive to attain perfection in piety and should not be content at any stage, thinking that what they are doing is enough.
You said to Pardesi you are done with me !!! lol ! but I am not done as yet pal....
"..O believers, persistently stand up for Allah as witnesses for Qist, and do
not let the hatred of any people prevent you from being just. Be just; that
is more congruent with God consciousness. Maintain consciousness of Allah; Allah is well aware of what you do. 5:8..."...now is ADL & Qist a pillar of your faith? tell us !
My love since my childhood, O Mowla, is for You. I am in love with the 'Nur' of the time (Hazar Imam). How can the ignorant know about it. O my sweet Mawlaa!....
I see you asking Pardesi to provide you with his email ....it must be a hugh respite for you then to run away....you have my email address....put yours on the table....lets move out and have some fun pal...
Several verses in the Quran speak about the Light of God and Rope of Imamat which is a continuous chain (Hablillah) since Hazrat Adam, through all the Prophets including, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and after him through the hereditary Imams..even if there are only two people left on this earth, the Imam must be present as Imamat is a perpetual phenomena....Imam does not remain "Ghaib" !!!!
"Seest thou not how Allah coineth a similitude a goodly saying as a goodly tree, its root set firm, its branches stretching into Heaven, Giving its fruits at every season, by permission of its Lord, Allah coineth the similitude for mankind in order that they may reflect" Quran 14:24, 25
Rather talking of YOUR theologians and scholars, when a problem is put before someone, he passes a judgment from his own imagination...when exactly the same problem is placed before another one, he passes an opposite verdict...then they go to their chief who confirms all verdicts and they call it "mutual consensus".....although their Allah is ONE; their PROPHET is also ONE; their Book is also meant to be just ONE, they have variances and divergence.
So then is it Allah who ordered them to differ and they obeyed HIM?
OR is it that Allah and HIS Prophet prohibited them from it but they disobeyed HIM as disobedience to the Prophet is disobedience to Allah swt?
By Allah who sent the Prophet with faith and the truth, such folks seem to be severely subverted...there is right and wrong and there are followers of each....
Allah says..."No one appreciates it except those who know..." (29:43)
One of the type of person Allah detests the most is the Ignorant person who has picked ignorance and moves amongst the ignorant, is senseless in the thick of mischief and is blind to the advantages of peace....and so those resemling like men have named them "scholars" but he is not so...rather such folks are deficient and they manage shabby arguments and they remain entangled in confusion and doubts not knowing what is right or what is wrong?
By Allah most of such people are not capable of solving problems nor fit....
Now the majority on one side does not mean they are right ! It could also mean that all the fools are on one side ! blinded by passion, greed, oratory and power, most became Intoxicated...and fell by the wayside ! The quran has more than one meaning....the quran is rich in symbols,parable, metaphors and allegory !
The word khamr occurs six times in the Quran, once in subjective case , twice in objective case and thrice in genitive case.
Khamr is explained as meaning what intoxicates, of the expressed juices when it has effervesced and thrown up froth and has qualified to a common application to intoxication expressed or any potentiality of an intoxicating thing that clouds or obscures the intellect and/or impairs the senses..
The wider sense of khamr, as prepared from other things besides grapes, is also borne out by the Quran and hence according to a report, "wine", when prohibited, it was made of five things, grapes, dates, wheat, barley and honey (Bukhari, 74:4). Hence, khamr is an intoxicating liquor prepared from the above.
“And of the fruits of the palms and the grapes – you obtain from them intoxication and goodly provision” (16:67). Intoxication is here spoken of in contrast with goodly provision. The provision against their use, however, belongs to the Medina period..
“They ask you about intoxicating liquors and games of chance. Say, in both of them is great sin and some advantages for men, and their sin is greater than their advantage” (2:219).
This was the first state in the prohibition of "wine", but it was more of a recommendatory nature as it only says that the disadvantages of the use of intoxicating liquors preponderate over their advantages.
The next stage was that in which the Muslims were prohibited from coming to mosque while drunk:
“O you who believe! Do not go near prayer when you are intoxicated (sukara) until you know what you say” (4:43).
Finally, intoxicating liquors were definitely forbidden...These three stages of the prohibition are clearly mentioned in a hadith (Masnad, 2:351).
As "wine" is prohibited on account of its intoxication, it is stated in a hadith that every intoxicant is prohibited (kullu muskir-in haram-un) (Bukhari, 64:61).
The Prophet has named INTOXICANTS as “the fountainhead of evils” (ummul khaba’ith), “the origin of all sorts of atrocities” (ummul fawahish), “the most heinous of major sins” (akbarul kaba’ir), “the head of all errors and lapses” (ra’su kulli khatia) and “the key to all evils and mischiefs” (miftahu kulli sharr). ...and so whatever INTOXICATES you is PROHIBITED !!!! Anything in EXCESS is HARAM !!!!
Yet many muslims are steeped into all such vices !
The linguist al-Zajjaj (d. 311/923) in Lisan al-Arab defines khamr as that which covers the mind (ma satara ala l-aql). Bhang, charas, opium or heroin and all other intoxicating things are therefore also forbidden...however a drink or anything that does not intoxicate is allowed.
The Prophet was asked about bit - an intoxicating beverage made of honey. He replied, “Every drink that intoxicates is prohibited” (Ibid. 74:3).
It is related that Abu Usaid once invited the Prophet to a wedding feast at which his wife, the bride herself, served food, and at this feast a beverage of dried dates, over which only one night had passed, was used and there was no objection (Ibid. 74:8), because it had not become intoxicant.
Malik bin Anas was asked about fuqqa – a beverage made of barley or a kind of beer, and he said, “So long as it does not intoxicate there is no harm” (Ibid. 74:3).
Nabidh, or fresh juice of grapes over which not more than a night or a day has passed, is also allowed. Thus a certain people is spoken of as having come to the Prophet and asked him what to do with their grapes, and he told them to dry them and then make use of their juice in the evening if they were wet in the morning, and in the morning if they were wet in the evening (Abu Daud, 25:10).
And when a beverage becomes intoxicant, even a small quantity of it, is not allowed: “That of which a large quantity intoxicants, even small quantity of it is prohibited (Ibid. 25:5).
The question whether a very small quantity may be given as a medicine is quite different.
Nawawi explains, in a serious case, when life was in danger, wine could be used to save life, for even carrion and flesh of swine could be used in such a case. It may be added here that trading in wine was also prohibited by the Prophet (Bukhari, 34:24).
"Drunkenness" often leads to the loss of senses, which is responsible for commission of various anti-social crimes....Drunkeness could also arise from things other than just drinks !
It is extremely harmful as it kills man’s capacity to distinguish between right and wrong, good and evil, virtue and vice.
A "drunkard" in his intoxication performs such acts, which results in enmity and hatred, and disturbs peace and tranquility of family and society.
It not only destroys man’s health but also his wealth, and kills his sense of dignity..it can place the community too at risk and open to attacks as we do see nowadays....everyone wants to fight us (the muslims) to death !
To be intoxicated is to be poisoned.
The word toxic is from the Latin root toxicus and Greek root toxikon, which means poison......paralyzes the senses, makes one lurch and vomit, extinguishes the feeble glimmer of reason, which flickers in our poor minds....and so many vomit their hatred on the net ...and in person !
It soon overcomes the strongest man, and turns him into a raging beast, who with empurpled face and bloodshot eyes, bellows forth oaths and threats against his surroundings and insults imaginary enemies.
Never any animal species, not among pigs, nor jackals, nor donkeys, is such ignominy to be found....
Thus even the intoxication arising from bigotry, anger and hatred is prohibited !
Intoxication due to the urge of Fitna is prohibited ! All evil is prohibited.....otherwise the positive Karma is minimal and the negative Karma drives one towards the hell fire on the day of Judgment !
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@ Zina Khan
Again dumping garbage after garbage sister zina.khan.....the current topic is "DRINKING".....I think this is the 6th time Im telling you....looks like you are finding ways to run from it !!
If you cant stick on the debate then whats the point of having a debate ?? ....Anyways I'll be back on tuesday....please make sure that you havent dumped unnecessary garbage on this forum and kindly stick to the current topic....and howz znanwalla btw ?
See you on tuesday !!!
@ Parru
I call my father = father because he deserves that respect.....but when YOU dont have any respect [parru] what kind of respect do you expect from me ??
Whenever I have any doubts or questions or when Maherali bhai /Admin bhai or anyone tries to say something or respond to my qustion ....you got problems .....You have a habit of sticking your old *** nose into others affairs.....why ?? ...Did I come to you with a doubt,question or asked you help me with something ?? NO !!!!
When maherali bhai posts an article you log in as TRET and say ....O please stop copy/pasting the whole article as its annoying and what not.....and when I copy/paste something you log in as PARDESI because I ignored TRET[you] right from day one....I know you're getting old but its none of your business to interfere in the matter where I dont need your help...If I do I would let you know
You stick your nose in my issues and say "show me some respect" ?? .....I dont need to show you any respect because I never asked your help nor have you ever helped me.....you were anti shiraz.virani and that can be seen from your comments so dont talk about respect !!
And Im not paranoid of TRET aka A1337 aka PARRU....Im just concerned about how my comments regarding 1st-47th imam[as] can be mistreated and misjudged by an old man whose old enough to understand
Can you show me my post where I said I treat imams[as] as termites ?? Can you show me where I said I skipped the 48th imam ?? .....Can you show me where I said Im not believing in the present imam ??
And regarding zina.khan....yes iam learning a lot from her...but at times she goes off track and I do get mad because she floods the screen and at times it gets tiring !!....And you're right its none of your business
Well I dont mind you calling me VIRU.....my mukhi calls me VIRU , my family calls me VIRU so call me whatever you want old man ....but onething is for sure ....now that iam convinced that you're that retarded TRET....my way of dealing with you shall be same PURRRru
Again dumping garbage after garbage sister zina.khan.....the current topic is "DRINKING".....I think this is the 6th time Im telling you....looks like you are finding ways to run from it !!
If you cant stick on the debate then whats the point of having a debate ?? ....Anyways I'll be back on tuesday....please make sure that you havent dumped unnecessary garbage on this forum and kindly stick to the current topic....and howz znanwalla btw ?
See you on tuesday !!!
@ Parru
I call my father = father because he deserves that respect.....but when YOU dont have any respect [parru] what kind of respect do you expect from me ??
Whenever I have any doubts or questions or when Maherali bhai /Admin bhai or anyone tries to say something or respond to my qustion ....you got problems .....You have a habit of sticking your old *** nose into others affairs.....why ?? ...Did I come to you with a doubt,question or asked you help me with something ?? NO !!!!
When maherali bhai posts an article you log in as TRET and say ....O please stop copy/pasting the whole article as its annoying and what not.....and when I copy/paste something you log in as PARDESI because I ignored TRET[you] right from day one
....I know you're getting old but its none of your business to interfere in the matter where I dont need your help...If I do I would let you knowYou stick your nose in my issues and say "show me some respect" ?? .....I dont need to show you any respect because I never asked your help nor have you ever helped me.....you were anti shiraz.virani and that can be seen from your comments so dont talk about respect !!
And Im not paranoid of TRET aka A1337 aka PARRU
....Im just concerned about how my comments regarding 1st-47th imam[as] can be mistreated and misjudged by an old man whose old enough to understandYeah! Shia Imami Ismaili Nizari muslim who stopped believing in the Shia Ismaili Nizari Imams at 47, skipped the 48th, then realized no lets get back in the fold so you can hollow out the Imams of the Ismailis from inside like a termite so started to pretent like you really believe in the 49th Imam.
Can you show me my post where I said I treat imams[as] as termites ?? Can you show me where I said I skipped the 48th imam ?? .....Can you show me where I said Im not believing in the present imam ??
And regarding zina.khan....yes iam learning a lot from her...but at times she goes off track and I do get mad because she floods the screen and at times it gets tiring !!....And you're right its none of your business
Well I dont mind you calling me VIRU.....my mukhi calls me VIRU , my family calls me VIRU so call me whatever you want old man ....but onething is for sure ....now that iam convinced that you're that retarded TRET....my way of dealing with you shall be same PURRRru
Are you reading my posts? just go back and read my post previous to your "barking"...is it not on the subject of 'drinking" ? And frankly if you still do not understand what is being said then it is not my fault....
I am glad to hear that your Mullah is calling you Viru....seems like both of you are equally "intelligent" !
Ta'wil of word 'Ayat' (The luminous personality of the Imam in which all signs are encompassed):
"Mawlâ Ali has said: "Anâ âyâtu'llâhi wa aminu'llâh, i.e. I am Allah's signs and I am the trustworthy of Allah." (Kawkab, p.208).
Âyât in the sense of the signs of Divine power or miracles, are in four places:
(i) The higher world, (ii) the wise Qur'ân, (iii) the external universe and (iv) the personal world, but according to the Qur'ân (36:12) all these âyât (signs) are encompassed in the light of the Imâm-i Mubin.
That is, his light is the higher world, he is the speaking Qur'ân, the quintessence of the universe and a luminious personal world in true sense." [Source: Tawil 10: A Thousand Wisdoms]
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PICKTHAL: Say: Though the sea became ink for the Words of my Lord, verily the sea would be used up before the words of my Lord were exhausted, even though We brought the like thereof to help.
Even Allah is saying that the Book isn't enough...so where does this then leave those who have been denied the covenant as per Allah's promise to Abraham?..."MY Covenant reaches NOT the unjust (Zalimun)..."
Verily there is NO guide for those whom Allah leaves in stray !
So atleast stop frothing at the mouth...you seem terribly unimpressive...
18:57] Who are more evil than those who are reminded of their Lord's proofs, then disregard them, without realizing what they are doing. Consequently, we place shields on their hearts to prevent them from understanding it (the Quran), and deafness in their ears. Thus they can never ever be guided.....seems like you will only get "raisins" instead of "Houris" !!!!
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I am glad to hear that your Mullah is calling you Viru....seems like both of you are equally "intelligent" !
Ta'wil of word 'Ayat' (The luminous personality of the Imam in which all signs are encompassed):
"Mawlâ Ali has said: "Anâ âyâtu'llâhi wa aminu'llâh, i.e. I am Allah's signs and I am the trustworthy of Allah." (Kawkab, p.208).
Âyât in the sense of the signs of Divine power or miracles, are in four places:
(i) The higher world, (ii) the wise Qur'ân, (iii) the external universe and (iv) the personal world, but according to the Qur'ân (36:12) all these âyât (signs) are encompassed in the light of the Imâm-i Mubin.
That is, his light is the higher world, he is the speaking Qur'ân, the quintessence of the universe and a luminious personal world in true sense." [Source: Tawil 10: A Thousand Wisdoms]
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PICKTHAL: Say: Though the sea became ink for the Words of my Lord, verily the sea would be used up before the words of my Lord were exhausted, even though We brought the like thereof to help.
Even Allah is saying that the Book isn't enough...so where does this then leave those who have been denied the covenant as per Allah's promise to Abraham?..."MY Covenant reaches NOT the unjust (Zalimun)..."
Verily there is NO guide for those whom Allah leaves in stray !
So atleast stop frothing at the mouth...you seem terribly unimpressive...
18:57] Who are more evil than those who are reminded of their Lord's proofs, then disregard them, without realizing what they are doing. Consequently, we place shields on their hearts to prevent them from understanding it (the Quran), and deafness in their ears. Thus they can never ever be guided.....seems like you will only get "raisins" instead of "Houris" !!!!
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I never asked nor expect you to respect anyone. Arrogants like you have no respect for others. I asked you what you call your father when you called me "Munna Parru". Munna means kid, right? So I asked if it ever occured to you that I may be your father's age. Not that I am any older than you are, brother. I called you son because you act like a 12 years old.shiraz.virani wrote: @ Parru
I call my father = father because he deserves that respect.....but when YOU dont have any respect [parru] what kind of respect do you expect from me ??
This is an open forum and every one who wants to participate in dialog can do so without any formal invitation. I mainly challenge you for your flawed understanding. I also point your self-contradictions out to you and others. Like I said this is an open forum and jumping in is not poking my *** nose into others' affairs, like you said.shiraz.virani wrote: Whenever I have any doubts or questions or when Maherali bhai /Admin bhai or anyone tries to say something or respond to my qustion ....you got problems .....You have a habit of sticking your old *** nose into others affairs.....why ?? ...Did I come to you with a doubt,question or asked you help me with something ?? NO !!!!
I am not TRET or anyone else. I am pardesi and only pardesi. Get this through your thick skull. I am not the only one getting old here. We all are! So learn to deal with the reality. My purpose is to oppose you when you act mischievious, not to lend or offer a helping hand. I know quite well what you are up to.shiraz.virani wrote: When maherali bhai posts an article you log in as TRET and say ....O please stop copy/pasting the whole article as its annoying and what not.....and when I copy/paste something you log in as PARDESI because I ignored TRET[you] right from day one
Your issues? You are absolutely right. You have issues that need to be addressed by us. Like I said I don't expect you to show any respect to any body so don't fool yourself thinking I asked for respect.shiraz.virani wrote: You stick your nose in my issues and say "show me some respect" ?? .....I dont need to show you any respect because I never asked your help nor have you ever helped me.....you were anti shiraz.virani and that can be seen from your comments so dont talk about respect !!
Everyone knows what your views are re Ismaili Imams, be it 1st to 47th or 48th and 49th. I have not "mistreated" or "misjudged" anything. I have simply confronted you and asked you to explain. I have not even started yet, wise guy! You said that real Islam was practiced until the 47th Imam and then came the 48th and he made soooo many changes and transformed the religion into business and that you and others like you who were getting educated were going back to the practices during the time of the 46th Imam. What is one to make of this? You explain, I don't know!shiraz.virani wrote: And Im not paranoid of TRET aka A1337 aka PARRU
You also forged the following statement I made in one of my previous posts. You changed the word "Iman" that I used to "Imams" as highlighted below. If you meant to copy/paste part of my post, how did this word get changed from a four letter word "Iman" to a five letter word "Imams"? Please explain.
Yeah! Shia Imami Ismaili Nizari muslim who stopped believing in the Shia Ismaili Nizari Imams at 47, skipped the 48th, then realized no lets get back in the fold so you can hollow out the Imams of the Ismailis from inside like a termite so started to pretent like you really believe in the 49th Imam.
The actual post was as below:
First I had problem with you copy/pasting and paddling others' idealogy as your own. Then I had problem with your plagiarising. And now changing peoples' posts thinking they will not notice? Your credibility, if there was any, is washed out. You are finished Mr. Virani.Yeah! Shia Imami Ismaili Nizari muslim who stopped believing in the Shia Ismaili Nizari Imams at 47, skipped the 48th, then realized no lets get back in the fold so you can hollow out the Imans of the Ismailis from inside like a termite so started to pretent like you really believe in the 49th Imam.
ADMIN, I request you to please take note of the above mischievious act on part of this liar and take proper action. You have been too easy on him. Its time you put your foot down.
You have really lost it all. I never said that you said that you treat Imams as termites. I referred to you as a termite within our midst. See! Another mischievious post just to take a swipe at the Ismaili Imams by using derogatory term for the Imam. When you said the 48th Imam made so many changes in the religion and turned it into a business it is obvious that you question the Imam and his authority. This sentence alone makes you a non believer in the Imamat of the 48th Imam. Imam's can not be questioned or challenged, especially when it comes to matters of religion, by the murid. The moment you question or challenge him, you become a non-believer! So there you skipped the Imamat of the 48th Imam. Now without belief in the 48th Imam you can not be a believer in the Imamat of the 49th Imam. You can not pick and choose your Imams. You, sir, are therefore considered out of fold of Ismailism. I have said before, your questions lack intelligence and your arguments lack substance. The above two questions are prime example. Need I say more?shiraz.virani wrote:Can you show me my post where I said I treat imams[as] as termites ?? Can you show me where I said I skipped the 48th imam ?? .....Can you show me where I said Im not believing in the present imam ??
I would stick to calling you Shiraz Virani. As for me being TRET, you are only playing mind games with yourself. Keep on!shiraz.virani wrote: Well I dont mind you calling me VIRU.....my mukhi calls me VIRU , my family calls me VIRU so call me whatever you want old man ....but onething is for sure ....now that iam convinced that you're that retarded TRET....my way of dealing with you shall be same PURRRru
I am, and will always be
pardesi
Frankly one should not expect much from "penguins" who have been "sedated" by petro dollars....your friend is away until tuesday....maybe he has gone to look for his "paradise"....lol ! says I throw "garbage" when I methodically negate his arguments...and his polemics !
Hassan ibn Thabit, the famous poet of the Prophet, composed a poem on the event of Ghadir Khumm on the same day. He says:
Prophet then said to Ali : "Stand up, O 'Ali, for I am pleased to make you Imam & Guide after me.”
In this line, Hassan ibn Thabit has understood the term "mawla" in the meaning of "Imam and Guide" which clearly proves that the Prophet was talking about his successor, and that he was not introducing 'Ali as a "friend" but as a "leader".
Even the words of 'Umar ibn al-Khattab are interesting. He congratulated Imam 'Ali in these words:
"Congratulations, O son of Abu Talib, this morning you became mawla of every believing man and woman."
If "mawla" meant "friend" then why the congratulations?
Was 'Ali an 'enemy' of all believing men and women before the day of Ghadir?
These immediate contexts make it very clear that the Prophet was talking about a comprehensive authority that 'Ali had over the Muslims comparable to his own authority over them.
They prove that the meaning of the term "mawla" in hadíth of Ghadír is not "friend" but "master, patron, lord, or leader".
Narration
The Official Hadith-i Ghadir in Hadith Collections:
After Muhammad delivered his Farewell Sermon in his last pilgrimage in Mecca few months before he died, he departed Mecca to his home in Medina 200 miles to the north.
In the fifth day in his trip back about the middle of the road between Mecca and Medina he reached a remote and tiny well in the arid land known of this area to this day.
He met few people who were from Yemen and were seeking to talk to him about a petition that his new governor over newly converted Yemen, Ali was very hard in applying Islamic laws on them.
The prophet felt upset and he said to them "Do you dispute that I be your ruler?"
They surprised answered "No", He said " Whom considers me his ruler then Ali is his ruler", and he held Ali's hand and raised it for all to see.
It was just a recommendation for Ali that his judgement is as reliable as of Muhammad's himself.
A few days earlier in the Farewell sermon The Prophet delivered his famous last speech which was heard and seen by all the thousand pilgrims, since he was standing on the top of Mount Arafat.
Here the prophet exhorted the pilgrims and told them to report the speech to people who were not in attendance when they go back to their home towns. He indisputably said
" I leave in you two pillars if you follow, you will never fail:
This well is near today's al-Juhfah of few inhabitants. It was one of the places on the Trade route between Yemen and Syria, where travellers could refresh their supplies of water.
According to Shia and a number of Sunni references, God revealed the following verse to Muhammad at Ghadir Khumm, while others believe this revelation was three months before the Pilgimmage:
"O Messenger, deliver what has been sent down to you from your Lord; and if you do not do it, then you have not delivered His Message; and Allah will protect you from the people..." (The Holy Qur'an, 5:67)
This verse teaches that whatever Muhammad was instructed by God to "deliver" at this point was clearly significant because God warned that if it were not to have been delivered, then it would have been as though Muhammad had delivered nothing at all; even after all his years of Prophethood and despite all his efforts up to this point to establish Islam.
Furthermore, it teaches that God's words, "and Allah will protect you from the people..." was revealed, because Muhammad had anticipated that there would be objections to whatever was to be "delivered" to the people.
Next is a Hadith reported to be said in numerous places, by various sources, and also in Gadir, by some sources:
"O people! I am a human being. I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of death) from my Lord and I, in response to Allah's call, would bid good-bye to you), but I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The second are the members of my household I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family."
In Ghadir, according to all sources, the prophet said: "O' people, who, among people, has greater awla over the believers than themselves?"
They said: "God and His Messenger are knowledgeable." He said: "Certainly, God is my mawla, and I am the mawla of the believers, and I have greater awla on the believers than themselves, so for whoever I am his mawla, Ali is his mawla."
According to numerous Islamic scholars (both Sunni and Shi'a), the event at Ghadir Khumm is a credible one which has been narrated by about 110 companions of Muhammad.
The debate lies in the definition attributed by either side to the term mawla adopted in the Prophetic tradition which means ruler or nasi.
According to Shia sources, after the Farwell hajj, when people started to disperse on their way home, Muhammad ordered those that dispersed a head to come back and assemble in a place near an Oasis called Ghadir Khumm.
When they where assembled, over 100 000 Muslims, ordered a high place to be built for him and went on top it and started to deliver a long sermon. At the end of it, he asked the people:
Does Allah have higher authority (awla) over a believer than themselves?
They affirmed his question. Then he asked:
"Am I the authority (awla) whom you obey?"
They answered, "We obey your directions." he then took Ali's hand and said:
"For whomsoever i am the Mawla, this Ali is his Mawla too.
"Man kuntu Mawla, Fahatha Ali'on Mawla.
"O Allah! Love (wali ) those who love him (walaah) and be an enemy to those who are inimical to him.
allahummu wali man walaah wa `adi man `adaah
After that, People came in line and shaked Ali's hand. Umar said:
"Congratulations, O Ali! You have become the mawla of every single believer."
Ismah is the concept of infallibility or "divinely bestowed freedom from error and sin" in Islam.
Muslims believe that Muhammad and other prophets in Islam possessed 'ismah.
Twelver and Ismaili Sh'ia Muslims also attribute the quality to Imāms as well as to Fatima Zahra, daughter of Muhammad, in contrast to the Zaidi, who do not attribute 'ismah to the Imams.
According to Shia theologians, infallibility is considered a rational necessary precondition for spiritual and religious guidance.
They argue that since God has commanded absolute obedience from these figures they must only order that which is right.
The state of infallibility is based on the Shia interpretation of the verse of purification.[Qur'an 33:33]
Thus they are, the most pure ones, the only immaculate ones preserved from, and immune to, all uncleanness.
It is due to the fact that they have an absolute belief in God so that they find themselves in the presence of God...and they are totally submitted to Allah (swt) and have traversed the path of Sirat...
They also have a complete knowledge of God's will. They are in possession of all knowledge brought by the angels to the prophet (nabi) and the messenger (Rasul).
Their knowledge encompasses the totality of all times. They thus act without fault in religious matters.
Tawassul is an Islamic religious practice in which a Muslim seeks nearness to God.
A rough translation would be: "To draw near to what one seeks after and to approach that which one desires."
Muslims who practice tawassul point to the Qur'an, Islam's holy book, as the origin of the practice. Many Muslims believe it is a commandment upon them to "draw near" to God. "And seek the means al-wasila" says the Quran !
TAWAKKUL AND TAWASSUL GOES HAND IN HAND !
Disagreement had broken out over who would succeed Muhammad as leader of the Muslim community. While the Sunnis followed the companions , the Shias followed Ali.
This dispute eventually led to the First Fitna, which was the first major civil war within the Islamic Caliphate.
The Fitna began as a series of revolts fought against the first Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib, caused by the assassination of his political predecessor, Uthman Ibn Affan.
It lasted for the entirety of Ali's reign, and its end is marked by Muawiyah's assumption of the caliphate (founding the Umayyad dynasty), and the subsequent recorded peace treaty between him and Hassan ibn Ali.
The Second Fitna was when the first Umayyad Caliph Muawiya I was succeeded upon his death in 680 by his son, Yazid I. ....Muawiya reneged on the treaty with Hassan (as) and appointed Yazid as his successor when infact Caliphate was to return to either Hassan (if he was still alive) or to Hussain (as)..to add insult to an injury, Yazid demanded bayah from Imam Hussain...and so today the "salafi" followers who throw their petro dollars around to influence the hearts and minds of the weak and half hearted, are pro Yazidi followers...primarli as they are the enemies of Islam and of Muhamad (saw)...
Yazid's first opposition came from supporters of Husayn ibn Ali, who was the grandson of the Prophet Muhammad and the son of the former Caliph Ali ibn Abi Talib, who had been assassinated.
Husayn and many of his closest supporters were killed by Yazid's troops at the Battle of Karbala.
This battle is often cited as the definitive break between the Shi'a and Sunni sects of Islam..and today you have the Maherally's and the Virani's masquerading on the net as the "pious fools" wearing the garb of satan and trying to poison the hearts and the minds of the Momineen !
The dissidents are those whom Allah has cursed...the enemies of Muhamad (saw) and his beloved daughter Fatema and the murderers of her children are the cursed ones and those who have gone astray ad then they want "Houris" in paradise...lol !
The New Encyclopaedia of Islam published by Brille, Leiden in Holland has an article titled GHADIR e KHUM by Prof. Veccia Vaglieri of the University of Milan, Italy, in it. Prof. Vaglieri states very clearly that this event must have occurred as recorded in history with the said implications. Why then, Veccia Vaglieri reasons, it is not reported by some of the great early historians and biographers like Tabari, Ibn Sacad and Ibn Hisham? She answers her own question by asserting that:
"(they) evidently feared to attract the hostility of the Sunnis, who were in power, by providing material for the polemic of the Shi'is, who used these words to support their thesis of 'Ali's right to the caliphate. Consequently, the Western biographers of Muhammad, whose work is based on these sources, equally make no reference to what happened at Ghadir Khum.
It is, however, certain that Muhammad did speak in this place and utter the famous sentence, for the account of this event has been preserved, either in concise form or in detail, not only by Y'aqubi, whose sympathy for the 'Alid cause is well known, but also in the collections of traditions which are considered as canonical, especially in the MUSNAD of Ibn Hanbal; and the HADITHs are so numerous and so well attested by the different ISNADS (authorities) that it does not seem possible to reject them.
What interests us most is the report by Ahmad bin Hanbal that Umar bin Khattab, one of the senior Companions of the Prophet, came and congratulated Imam Ali on becoming the Mawla of all the Muslims. !
Ibn Hanbal's report that Umar came and congratulated Ali on his appointment as the WALI of all Muslims, and,
(ii) Thacalbi's report that a man named Harith b. Ncoman Fahri approached the Prophet after the announcement and asked him whether he had appointed 'Ali out of his personal whim or on Allah's command, to which the Prophet reported to have replied that it was on Allah's command; and Harith then asked the Prophet to pray for cazaab for him (that was the degree of hatred against Ali among some). The Prophet fulfilled his desire and a stone dropped from the skies which hit him over the head and passed through him, his saddle and his horse, killing him instantly. The revelation of the verse:
"sa'ala saa'ilun bicazaabin waqicin..." (Q.70: 1,2) has been associated with this event.
In those days such important events were recorded by the poets in odes (QASEEDAH) which would be composed and recited on the spot and then would pass on from generation to generation due to their excellent poetic quality and rhythm. Indeed we do find at least two such odes: one composed by the poet Kumayt (d. 129 Hijra) which has been studied by a number of German orientalists; and the other is that by the famous poet Hassaan b. Thabit, who is reported to have been present at Ghadeer (Jafri, pp 20, quoting al-Ghadeer of Amini and Acyan-ash-Shica of Amilee
After the Prophet had delivered his message to the people, as per Allah's command, verse 5:3 was revealed wherein Allah said He has now "perfected" and/or completed the religion and called it Islam...
" To whomever am I the Mawla (supreme authority) so is this Ali the Mawla. "
This report does appear in the report we find of this event by: Ahmad B. Hanbal (d.241 A.H.) In his MASNAD, and then the next report in chronological order is by Ahmad b. Sho'ayb AnNisai (d. 303 A.H.) In his AL-KHASAAIS. Then we find this report in many other books, like:
1. Sawa'iq-I-Muhriqa by Ibn Hajar Makki (10th c. Hijra
2. Rawdhat-al-Ahbaab by Jamal‑ud Din Ataullah (11th c. Hijra
The Indian scholar Mawlana Hamid Husayn Moosawi compiled a book in 34 volumes titled ABAQAAT UL ANWAAR which lists all the historians, scholars, commentators of Qur'an and jurists who have reported this tradition with the full chain of transmitters and their antecedents (RIJAAL).
Other recent works are: Amini's Al Ghadeer in 11 volumes and Taarikh ash‑Shi'a by Husayn 'Ali Mahfuz.
This last work has enunciated that the tradition of Ghadeer e Khum has been transmitted by at least 110 Companions of the Prophet, 84 Taabicoon (those who were born after the Prophet but had met the Companions), 355 Ulema, 25 historians, 27 traditionists, 11 commentators of Qur'an, 18 theologians and 5 philologists ...
The commentators of Qur'an who have mentioned this report, have associated it with the sending down of the verse:
"balligh ma unzila ilayka.............." (Q.5: 67
According to these scholars the Prophet was asked by Allah through the revelation of this verse to announce what he did announce at Ghadeer e Khum. Some others (e.g., Hafiz Ibn Mardwayh and Ibn Wadhih Yaqoobi) have added that after this announcement at Ghadeer the last verse of the Qur'an (in chronological order):
"al-yawma akmaltu lakum deenakum ........." (Q.5: 3) was revealed
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YUSUFALI: Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority), regulating and governing all things. No intercessor (can plead with Him) except after His leave (hath been obtained). This is Allah your Lord; Him therefore serve ye: will ye not receive admonition?
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YUSUFALI: Allah did choose Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people,-
SHAKIR: Surely Allah chose Adam and Nuh and the descendants of Ibrahim and the descendants of Imran above the nations.
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YUSUFALI: Offspring, one of the other: And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
Allah (swt) established HIS Authority finally and so the declaration at Khum e Ghadir...the ayats I am showing here all seem to tie up...
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YUSUFALI: (Allah) Most Gracious is firmly established on the throne (of authority)....i.e. Al e Imran is now this said authority over mankind and the Umma as per Allah's command (Amr) !...and so they are the legitimate Olil Amr !!!!
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YUSUFALI: Verily those who plight their fealty to thee do no less than plight their fealty to Allah: the Hand of Allah is over their hands: then any one who violates his oath, does so to the harm of his own soul, and any one who fulfils what he has covenanted with Allah,- Allah will soon grant him a great Reward.
Allah threatens those who have broken their promise and reneged on their bayah and in the same token gives glad tidings to those who haven't !
YAD ALLAH !!! appears as a metaphor of power and so the Prophet's family is more powerful than ordinary beings...i.e. Al e Imran dynasty....NOT the false claimants and Dai's and Mullahs !
Allah's covenant reaches NOT the unjust or the ZALIMUN !
Quran speaks clearly of "annihilation" and says "everyone will perish" EXCEPT the FACE of thy LORD, Possessor of Might and Glory..." (Sura al Rahman - Verse 26-27)
Now if people still do not know after some 1400 years who have 'ascendancy" over them then frankly they do not deserve divine guidance NOR the Mercy Allah has sent !
"Whom Allah guides, nobody can mislead....whom Allah misleads, nobody can guide.."
"Allah guides unto HIS Noor whomsoever HE Wills.."
Zinat Khan
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Hassan ibn Thabit, the famous poet of the Prophet, composed a poem on the event of Ghadir Khumm on the same day. He says:
Prophet then said to Ali : "Stand up, O 'Ali, for I am pleased to make you Imam & Guide after me.”
In this line, Hassan ibn Thabit has understood the term "mawla" in the meaning of "Imam and Guide" which clearly proves that the Prophet was talking about his successor, and that he was not introducing 'Ali as a "friend" but as a "leader".
Even the words of 'Umar ibn al-Khattab are interesting. He congratulated Imam 'Ali in these words:
"Congratulations, O son of Abu Talib, this morning you became mawla of every believing man and woman."
If "mawla" meant "friend" then why the congratulations?
Was 'Ali an 'enemy' of all believing men and women before the day of Ghadir?
These immediate contexts make it very clear that the Prophet was talking about a comprehensive authority that 'Ali had over the Muslims comparable to his own authority over them.
They prove that the meaning of the term "mawla" in hadíth of Ghadír is not "friend" but "master, patron, lord, or leader".
Narration
The Official Hadith-i Ghadir in Hadith Collections:
After Muhammad delivered his Farewell Sermon in his last pilgrimage in Mecca few months before he died, he departed Mecca to his home in Medina 200 miles to the north.
In the fifth day in his trip back about the middle of the road between Mecca and Medina he reached a remote and tiny well in the arid land known of this area to this day.
He met few people who were from Yemen and were seeking to talk to him about a petition that his new governor over newly converted Yemen, Ali was very hard in applying Islamic laws on them.
The prophet felt upset and he said to them "Do you dispute that I be your ruler?"
They surprised answered "No", He said " Whom considers me his ruler then Ali is his ruler", and he held Ali's hand and raised it for all to see.
It was just a recommendation for Ali that his judgement is as reliable as of Muhammad's himself.
A few days earlier in the Farewell sermon The Prophet delivered his famous last speech which was heard and seen by all the thousand pilgrims, since he was standing on the top of Mount Arafat.
Here the prophet exhorted the pilgrims and told them to report the speech to people who were not in attendance when they go back to their home towns. He indisputably said
" I leave in you two pillars if you follow, you will never fail:
This well is near today's al-Juhfah of few inhabitants. It was one of the places on the Trade route between Yemen and Syria, where travellers could refresh their supplies of water.
According to Shia and a number of Sunni references, God revealed the following verse to Muhammad at Ghadir Khumm, while others believe this revelation was three months before the Pilgimmage:
"O Messenger, deliver what has been sent down to you from your Lord; and if you do not do it, then you have not delivered His Message; and Allah will protect you from the people..." (The Holy Qur'an, 5:67)
This verse teaches that whatever Muhammad was instructed by God to "deliver" at this point was clearly significant because God warned that if it were not to have been delivered, then it would have been as though Muhammad had delivered nothing at all; even after all his years of Prophethood and despite all his efforts up to this point to establish Islam.
Furthermore, it teaches that God's words, "and Allah will protect you from the people..." was revealed, because Muhammad had anticipated that there would be objections to whatever was to be "delivered" to the people.
Next is a Hadith reported to be said in numerous places, by various sources, and also in Gadir, by some sources:
"O people! I am a human being. I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of death) from my Lord and I, in response to Allah's call, would bid good-bye to you), but I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The second are the members of my household I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family."
In Ghadir, according to all sources, the prophet said: "O' people, who, among people, has greater awla over the believers than themselves?"
They said: "God and His Messenger are knowledgeable." He said: "Certainly, God is my mawla, and I am the mawla of the believers, and I have greater awla on the believers than themselves, so for whoever I am his mawla, Ali is his mawla."
According to numerous Islamic scholars (both Sunni and Shi'a), the event at Ghadir Khumm is a credible one which has been narrated by about 110 companions of Muhammad.
The debate lies in the definition attributed by either side to the term mawla adopted in the Prophetic tradition which means ruler or nasi.
According to Shia sources, after the Farwell hajj, when people started to disperse on their way home, Muhammad ordered those that dispersed a head to come back and assemble in a place near an Oasis called Ghadir Khumm.
When they where assembled, over 100 000 Muslims, ordered a high place to be built for him and went on top it and started to deliver a long sermon. At the end of it, he asked the people:
Does Allah have higher authority (awla) over a believer than themselves?
They affirmed his question. Then he asked:
"Am I the authority (awla) whom you obey?"
They answered, "We obey your directions." he then took Ali's hand and said:
"For whomsoever i am the Mawla, this Ali is his Mawla too.
"Man kuntu Mawla, Fahatha Ali'on Mawla.
"O Allah! Love (wali ) those who love him (walaah) and be an enemy to those who are inimical to him.
allahummu wali man walaah wa `adi man `adaah
After that, People came in line and shaked Ali's hand. Umar said:
"Congratulations, O Ali! You have become the mawla of every single believer."
Ismah is the concept of infallibility or "divinely bestowed freedom from error and sin" in Islam.
Muslims believe that Muhammad and other prophets in Islam possessed 'ismah.
Twelver and Ismaili Sh'ia Muslims also attribute the quality to Imāms as well as to Fatima Zahra, daughter of Muhammad, in contrast to the Zaidi, who do not attribute 'ismah to the Imams.
According to Shia theologians, infallibility is considered a rational necessary precondition for spiritual and religious guidance.
They argue that since God has commanded absolute obedience from these figures they must only order that which is right.
The state of infallibility is based on the Shia interpretation of the verse of purification.[Qur'an 33:33]
Thus they are, the most pure ones, the only immaculate ones preserved from, and immune to, all uncleanness.
It is due to the fact that they have an absolute belief in God so that they find themselves in the presence of God...and they are totally submitted to Allah (swt) and have traversed the path of Sirat...
They also have a complete knowledge of God's will. They are in possession of all knowledge brought by the angels to the prophet (nabi) and the messenger (Rasul).
Their knowledge encompasses the totality of all times. They thus act without fault in religious matters.
Tawassul is an Islamic religious practice in which a Muslim seeks nearness to God.
A rough translation would be: "To draw near to what one seeks after and to approach that which one desires."
Muslims who practice tawassul point to the Qur'an, Islam's holy book, as the origin of the practice. Many Muslims believe it is a commandment upon them to "draw near" to God. "And seek the means al-wasila" says the Quran !
TAWAKKUL AND TAWASSUL GOES HAND IN HAND !
Disagreement had broken out over who would succeed Muhammad as leader of the Muslim community. While the Sunnis followed the companions , the Shias followed Ali.
This dispute eventually led to the First Fitna, which was the first major civil war within the Islamic Caliphate.
The Fitna began as a series of revolts fought against the first Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib, caused by the assassination of his political predecessor, Uthman Ibn Affan.
It lasted for the entirety of Ali's reign, and its end is marked by Muawiyah's assumption of the caliphate (founding the Umayyad dynasty), and the subsequent recorded peace treaty between him and Hassan ibn Ali.
The Second Fitna was when the first Umayyad Caliph Muawiya I was succeeded upon his death in 680 by his son, Yazid I. ....Muawiya reneged on the treaty with Hassan (as) and appointed Yazid as his successor when infact Caliphate was to return to either Hassan (if he was still alive) or to Hussain (as)..to add insult to an injury, Yazid demanded bayah from Imam Hussain...and so today the "salafi" followers who throw their petro dollars around to influence the hearts and minds of the weak and half hearted, are pro Yazidi followers...primarli as they are the enemies of Islam and of Muhamad (saw)...
Yazid's first opposition came from supporters of Husayn ibn Ali, who was the grandson of the Prophet Muhammad and the son of the former Caliph Ali ibn Abi Talib, who had been assassinated.
Husayn and many of his closest supporters were killed by Yazid's troops at the Battle of Karbala.
This battle is often cited as the definitive break between the Shi'a and Sunni sects of Islam..and today you have the Maherally's and the Virani's masquerading on the net as the "pious fools" wearing the garb of satan and trying to poison the hearts and the minds of the Momineen !
The dissidents are those whom Allah has cursed...the enemies of Muhamad (saw) and his beloved daughter Fatema and the murderers of her children are the cursed ones and those who have gone astray ad then they want "Houris" in paradise...lol !
The New Encyclopaedia of Islam published by Brille, Leiden in Holland has an article titled GHADIR e KHUM by Prof. Veccia Vaglieri of the University of Milan, Italy, in it. Prof. Vaglieri states very clearly that this event must have occurred as recorded in history with the said implications. Why then, Veccia Vaglieri reasons, it is not reported by some of the great early historians and biographers like Tabari, Ibn Sacad and Ibn Hisham? She answers her own question by asserting that:
"(they) evidently feared to attract the hostility of the Sunnis, who were in power, by providing material for the polemic of the Shi'is, who used these words to support their thesis of 'Ali's right to the caliphate. Consequently, the Western biographers of Muhammad, whose work is based on these sources, equally make no reference to what happened at Ghadir Khum.
It is, however, certain that Muhammad did speak in this place and utter the famous sentence, for the account of this event has been preserved, either in concise form or in detail, not only by Y'aqubi, whose sympathy for the 'Alid cause is well known, but also in the collections of traditions which are considered as canonical, especially in the MUSNAD of Ibn Hanbal; and the HADITHs are so numerous and so well attested by the different ISNADS (authorities) that it does not seem possible to reject them.
What interests us most is the report by Ahmad bin Hanbal that Umar bin Khattab, one of the senior Companions of the Prophet, came and congratulated Imam Ali on becoming the Mawla of all the Muslims. !
Ibn Hanbal's report that Umar came and congratulated Ali on his appointment as the WALI of all Muslims, and,
(ii) Thacalbi's report that a man named Harith b. Ncoman Fahri approached the Prophet after the announcement and asked him whether he had appointed 'Ali out of his personal whim or on Allah's command, to which the Prophet reported to have replied that it was on Allah's command; and Harith then asked the Prophet to pray for cazaab for him (that was the degree of hatred against Ali among some). The Prophet fulfilled his desire and a stone dropped from the skies which hit him over the head and passed through him, his saddle and his horse, killing him instantly. The revelation of the verse:
"sa'ala saa'ilun bicazaabin waqicin..." (Q.70: 1,2) has been associated with this event.
In those days such important events were recorded by the poets in odes (QASEEDAH) which would be composed and recited on the spot and then would pass on from generation to generation due to their excellent poetic quality and rhythm. Indeed we do find at least two such odes: one composed by the poet Kumayt (d. 129 Hijra) which has been studied by a number of German orientalists; and the other is that by the famous poet Hassaan b. Thabit, who is reported to have been present at Ghadeer (Jafri, pp 20, quoting al-Ghadeer of Amini and Acyan-ash-Shica of Amilee
After the Prophet had delivered his message to the people, as per Allah's command, verse 5:3 was revealed wherein Allah said He has now "perfected" and/or completed the religion and called it Islam...
" To whomever am I the Mawla (supreme authority) so is this Ali the Mawla. "
This report does appear in the report we find of this event by: Ahmad B. Hanbal (d.241 A.H.) In his MASNAD, and then the next report in chronological order is by Ahmad b. Sho'ayb AnNisai (d. 303 A.H.) In his AL-KHASAAIS. Then we find this report in many other books, like:
1. Sawa'iq-I-Muhriqa by Ibn Hajar Makki (10th c. Hijra
2. Rawdhat-al-Ahbaab by Jamal‑ud Din Ataullah (11th c. Hijra
The Indian scholar Mawlana Hamid Husayn Moosawi compiled a book in 34 volumes titled ABAQAAT UL ANWAAR which lists all the historians, scholars, commentators of Qur'an and jurists who have reported this tradition with the full chain of transmitters and their antecedents (RIJAAL).
Other recent works are: Amini's Al Ghadeer in 11 volumes and Taarikh ash‑Shi'a by Husayn 'Ali Mahfuz.
This last work has enunciated that the tradition of Ghadeer e Khum has been transmitted by at least 110 Companions of the Prophet, 84 Taabicoon (those who were born after the Prophet but had met the Companions), 355 Ulema, 25 historians, 27 traditionists, 11 commentators of Qur'an, 18 theologians and 5 philologists ...
The commentators of Qur'an who have mentioned this report, have associated it with the sending down of the verse:
"balligh ma unzila ilayka.............." (Q.5: 67
According to these scholars the Prophet was asked by Allah through the revelation of this verse to announce what he did announce at Ghadeer e Khum. Some others (e.g., Hafiz Ibn Mardwayh and Ibn Wadhih Yaqoobi) have added that after this announcement at Ghadeer the last verse of the Qur'an (in chronological order):
"al-yawma akmaltu lakum deenakum ........." (Q.5: 3) was revealed
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YUSUFALI: Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority), regulating and governing all things. No intercessor (can plead with Him) except after His leave (hath been obtained). This is Allah your Lord; Him therefore serve ye: will ye not receive admonition?
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YUSUFALI: Allah did choose Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people,-
SHAKIR: Surely Allah chose Adam and Nuh and the descendants of Ibrahim and the descendants of Imran above the nations.
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YUSUFALI: Offspring, one of the other: And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
Allah (swt) established HIS Authority finally and so the declaration at Khum e Ghadir...the ayats I am showing here all seem to tie up...
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YUSUFALI: (Allah) Most Gracious is firmly established on the throne (of authority)....i.e. Al e Imran is now this said authority over mankind and the Umma as per Allah's command (Amr) !...and so they are the legitimate Olil Amr !!!!
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YUSUFALI: Verily those who plight their fealty to thee do no less than plight their fealty to Allah: the Hand of Allah is over their hands: then any one who violates his oath, does so to the harm of his own soul, and any one who fulfils what he has covenanted with Allah,- Allah will soon grant him a great Reward.
Allah threatens those who have broken their promise and reneged on their bayah and in the same token gives glad tidings to those who haven't !
YAD ALLAH !!! appears as a metaphor of power and so the Prophet's family is more powerful than ordinary beings...i.e. Al e Imran dynasty....NOT the false claimants and Dai's and Mullahs !
Allah's covenant reaches NOT the unjust or the ZALIMUN !
Quran speaks clearly of "annihilation" and says "everyone will perish" EXCEPT the FACE of thy LORD, Possessor of Might and Glory..." (Sura al Rahman - Verse 26-27)
Now if people still do not know after some 1400 years who have 'ascendancy" over them then frankly they do not deserve divine guidance NOR the Mercy Allah has sent !
"Whom Allah guides, nobody can mislead....whom Allah misleads, nobody can guide.."
"Allah guides unto HIS Noor whomsoever HE Wills.."
Zinat Khan
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Ok old f*rt ....start the new topic on this forum , Its high time you should know who'z your daddyshiraz.virani wrote:
@ Parru
I call my father = father because he deserves that respect.....but when YOU dont have any respect [parru] what kind of respect do you expect from me ??
I never asked nor expect you to respect anyone. Arrogants like you have no respect for others. I asked you what you call your father when you called me "Munna Parru". Munna means kid, right? So I asked if it ever occured to you that I may be your father's age. Not that I am any older than you are, brother. I called you son because you act like a 12 years old.
shiraz.virani wrote:
Whenever I have any doubts or questions or when Maherali bhai /Admin bhai or anyone tries to say something or respond to my qustion ....you got problems .....You have a habit of sticking your old *** nose into others affairs.....why ?? ...Did I come to you with a doubt,question or asked you help me with something ?? NO !!!!
This is an open forum and every one who wants to participate in dialog can do so without any formal invitation. I mainly challenge you for your flawed understanding. I also point your self-contradictions out to you and others. Like I said this is an open forum and jumping in is not poking my *** nose into others' affairs, like you said.
shiraz.virani wrote:
When maherali bhai posts an article you log in as TRET and say ....O please stop copy/pasting the whole article as its annoying and what not.....and when I copy/paste something you log in as PARDESI because I ignored TRET[you] right from day one ....I know you're getting old but its none of your business to interfere in the matter where I dont need your help...If I do I would let you know
I am not TRET or anyone else. I am pardesi and only pardesi. Get this through your thick skull. I am not the only one getting old here. We all are! So learn to deal with the reality. My purpose is to oppose you when you act mischievious, not to lend or offer a helping hand. I know quite well what you are up to.
shiraz.virani wrote:
You stick your nose in my issues and say "show me some respect" ?? .....I dont need to show you any respect because I never asked your help nor have you ever helped me.....you were anti shiraz.virani and that can be seen from your comments so dont talk about respect !!
Your issues? You are absolutely right. You have issues that need to be addressed by us. Like I said I don't expect you to show any respect to any body so don't fool yourself thinking I asked for respect.
shiraz.virani wrote:
And Im not paranoid of TRET aka A1337 aka PARRU ....Im just concerned about how my comments regarding 1st-47th imam[as] can be mistreated and misjudged by an old man whose old enough to understand
Everyone knows what your views are re Ismaili Imams, be it 1st to 47th or 48th and 49th. I have not "mistreated" or "misjudged" anything. I have simply confronted you and asked you to explain. I have not even started yet, wise guy! You said that real Islam was practiced until the 47th Imam and then came the 48th and he made soooo many changes and transformed the religion into business and that you and others like you who were getting educated were going back to the practices during the time of the 46th Imam. What is one to make of this? You explain, I don't know!
You also forged the following statement I made in one of my previous posts. You changed the word "Iman" that I used to "Imams" as highlighted below. If you meant to copy/paste part of my post, how did this word get changed from a four letter word "Iman" to a five letter word "Imams"? Please explain.
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Yeah! Shia Imami Ismaili Nizari muslim who stopped believing in the Shia Ismaili Nizari Imams at 47, skipped the 48th, then realized no lets get back in the fold so you can hollow out the Imams of the Ismailis from inside like a termite so started to pretent like you really believe in the 49th Imam.
The actual post was as below:
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Yeah! Shia Imami Ismaili Nizari muslim who stopped believing in the Shia Ismaili Nizari Imams at 47, skipped the 48th, then realized no lets get back in the fold so you can hollow out the Imans of the Ismailis from inside like a termite so started to pretent like you really believe in the 49th Imam.
First I had problem with you copy/pasting and paddling others' idealogy as your own. Then I had problem with your plagiarising. And now changing peoples' posts thinking they will not notice? Your credibility, if there was any, is washed out. You are finished Mr. Virani.
ADMIN, I request you to please take note of the above mischievious act on part of this liar and take proper action. You have been too easy on him. Its time you put your foot down.
shiraz.virani wrote:
Can you show me my post where I said I treat imams[as] as termites ?? Can you show me where I said I skipped the 48th imam ?? .....Can you show me where I said Im not believing in the present imam ??
You have really lost it all. I never said that you said that you treat Imams as termites. I referred to you as a termite within our midst. See! Another mischievious post just to take a swipe at the Ismaili Imams by using derogatory term for the Imam. When you said the 48th Imam made so many changes in the religion and turned it into a business it is obvious that you question the Imam and his authority. This sentence alone makes you a non believer in the Imamat of the 48th Imam. Imam's can not be questioned or challenged, especially when it comes to matters of religion, by the murid. The moment you question or challenge him, you become a non-believer! So there you skipped the Imamat of the 48th Imam. Now without belief in the 48th Imam you can not be a believer in the Imamat of the 49th Imam. You can not pick and choose your Imams. You, sir, are therefore considered out of fold of Ismailism. I have said before, your questions lack intelligence and your arguments lack substance. The above two questions are prime example. Need I say more?
shiraz.virani wrote:
Well I dont mind you calling me VIRU.....my mukhi calls me VIRU , my family calls me VIRU so call me whatever you want old man ....but onething is for sure ....now that iam convinced that you're that retarded TRET....my way of dealing with you shall be same PURRRru
I would stick to calling you Shiraz Virani. As for me being TRET, you are only playing mind games with yourself. Keep on!
I am, and will always be
pardesi