after death of a person,their family members organize dinner

1Nooruddin · Post by **1Nooruddin** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:05 am

after death of a person, their family members organize dinner for their soul. is that correct to do that in our religion? what says our religion about that?? please tell me??

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:24 am

after death of a person, their family members organize dinner for their soul

I have a question,
Do you mean this kind dinner is organize to get benefits for the soul of family members or for the soul of deceased person? please clarify this.
By the way I am not aware of this kind dinners is held in Ismaili religion after the death of family member, if it is held than it is nothing to do with our religion,
no significance or any benefit at all, (except the cost of dinner) as long as I know, please correct me if I am wrong.

1Nooruddin · Post by **1Nooruddin** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:45 am

This kind dinner is organize to get benefits for the soul of deceased person..
i want to know, is that correct to do that? is that correct for the soul of deceased person.. is it true that, deceased person's soul can get all the dua's and memanies, through their family.. ?? All Dua's and memanies can reach at the deceased person's soul or not?? is that true, to doing all these things or not? OR On Ruhani majalis, is that enough to recite only salwat for the deceased person's soul?

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:51 am

Nooruddin,
All the benefits of reciting Salwats, Du'as, prayers and Mehmanis reaches to the deceased person as per Rai Abu Ali and Babul missionary. Even you can take ruhani mehmanis and pray for the for the deceased souls of your ancestors who had past away thousand years ago, this kind ruhani mehmani and prayer always reaches them.
But I do not think the dinner organize after the death of any person is beneficiary to the soul, of course the benefits of reciting Salwats and prayer during dinner always reaches deceased soul but you can pray and recite salwats without arranging dinner. In my opinion organize a dinner after death of the any person does not make big difference.
In past this kind dinner was arranged because peoples were coming from out of town, some time they participate funeral by walking, there was no transportation services that time, so they have to stay at night and for the accommodation for their food, dinners was organized. But it is not necessary in this advance time where transportation available easily and nobody want to stay at night in deceased person home. I do not see any thing wrong to organize dinner if you get together and recite salwats and pray for eternal peace for the deceased soul, also it is not prohibited in our religion not to organize dinner after anyone death, but it is not necessary to organize or held dinner after death of any person. the salwats and prayer reciting during dinner always helpful for the deceased soul so if some one organize dinner after death it is nothing wrong in it and deceased soul always receive benefits for the prayer. I believe my this long post will clarify you queries.

1Nooruddin · Post by **1Nooruddin** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:40 am

Yes .. it's makes me clear

thanks for your answer

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:04 pm

very well said AGA KHANI......sometimes you do make sense

JK

prince_visram · Post by **prince_visram** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:42 pm

Nicely written! Yes, it is very true that our prayers reach those who are deseased. This is confirmed by Al-Ghazzali (a famous sufi scholar) as well, who has said:

"Prayers for the dead are on the same footing as gifts for the living. The angel goes in to the dead with a tray of light, bearing a cloth of light, and says, 'This is a gift for you from your brother so-and-so.' And he delights in it just as a living person rejoices in a gift."

Essential Sufism (Page 187)

KadToronto · Post by **KadToronto** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:09 pm

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office" /><o:p></o:p>There are two ayahs in the Qur’an that need to be considered, when considering prayers for others.<o:p></o:p>"No soul benefits except from its own works, and none bears the burden of another." 6:164<o:p></o:p>"Every human being is credited only to what he/she (personally) done." 53:39<o:p></o:p>So can you pray for others? At first look at the above two ayahs, we may feel severely restricted, but let’s look at other ayahs:<o:p></o:p>"Say, "To whom belongs everything in the heavens and the earth?" Say, "To God." He has decreed that mercy is His attribute." 6:12 and<o:p></o:p>"It is not up to you; He may redeem them, or He may punish them for their transgressions." 3:128<o:p></o:p>So you need to call upon him and call for his mercy. Then others can benefit from your prayers, except those who are unbelievers:<o:p></o:p>"O you who believe, you shall give to charity from the provisions we have given to you, before a day comes where there is no trade, no nepotism, and no intercession. The disbelievers are the unjust." 2:254<o:p></o:p>"God does not forgive idolatry, but He forgives lesser offences for whomever He wills." 4:48<o:p></o:p>Yes, you can pray for others, but only those who are believers and not ideal worshipers.<o:p></o:p>There is still one more condition, a difference in praying for the living and the dead. <o:p></o:p>The Qur’an is clear on praying for the dead.<o:p></o:p>"O you who believe, you shall give to charity from the provisions we have given to you, before a day comes where there is no trade, no nepotism, and no intercession. The disbelievers are the unjust." 2:254<o:p></o:p>The condition is before your die, “before a day comes where there is no trade, no nepotism, and no intercession.”  So giving “charity” on behalf of the dead will not count. I do not consider ‘ruhani memani” as charity but as prayer.<o:p></o:p>The Qur’an gives advice to Prophet Muhammed 42:1-10:<o:p></o:p>”Likewise Allâh, the All-Mighty, the All-Wise inspires you (O Muhammad SAW) as (He inspired) those before you. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth, and He is the Most High, the Most Great. Nearly the heavens might rent asunder from above them (by His Majesty), and the angels glorify the praises of their Lord, and ask for forgiveness for those on the earth, verily, Allâh is the Oft-Forgiving, the Most Merciful. And as for those who take as Auliyâ' (guardians, supporters, helpers, protectors, etc.) others besides Him [i.e. they take false deities other than Allâh (as) protectors, and they worship them] Allâh is Hafîz (Protector) over them (i.e. takes care of their deeds and will recompense them), and you (O Muhammad SAW) are not a Wakîl (guardian or a disposer of their affairs) over them (to protect their deeds, etc.). And thus We have inspired unto you (O Muhammad SAW) a Qur'ân (in Arabic) that you may warn the Mother of the Towns (Makkah) and all around it. And warn of the Day of Assembling, of which there is no doubt, when a party will be in Paradise (those who believed in Allâh and followed what Allâh's Messenger SAW brought them) and a party in the blazing Fire (Hell) (those who disbelieved in Allâh and followed not what Allâh's Messenger SAW brought them) And if Allâh had willed, He could have made them one nation, but He admits whom He wills to His Mercy. And the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.) will have neither a Walî (protector) nor a helper. Or have they taken (for worship) Auliyâ' (guardians, supporters, helpers, protectors, etc.) besides Him? But Allâh, He Alone is the Walî (Protector, etc.). And it is He Who gives life to the dead, and He is Able to do all things. And in whatsoever you differ, the decision thereof is with Allâh (He is the ruling Judge). (And say O Muhammad SAW to these polytheists:) Such is Allâh, my Lord in Whom I put my trust, and to Him I turn in all of my affairs and in repentance.”<o:p></o:p>The angles pray for those on earth, and there is no reason why those on earth cannot pray for others on earth.  But only when you are on earth, meaning alive, (and in void?).<o:p></o:p>"What a day; the Day of Judgement! That is the day when no soul can help another soul, and all decisions, on that day, will belong to God." 82:18-19<o:p></o:p>"Intercession with Him will be in vain, unless it coincides with His will." 34:23<o:p></o:p>So when is the Day of Judgement, upon death or is there a void and a specified Day of Judgement?<o:p></o:p>There are often more questions and rarely a simple answer, human life is complicated and that speaks to the need of a constant Walî (Imam) 42:8<o:p></o:p>As for “organised dinner” following death ceremony; there is nothing in the Qur’an.  There may be a lot to be said of its value to end the solemn occasion and for the family and relatives to make a new beginning.<o:p></o:p>