Yam to all,
I think that some parts of Dua or some ayats of Dua are taken from those ten siparas of Quran which were not present as there are 40 siparas we all know and there is a zikr of Hazrat Ali in those siparas!
Are some parts of Dua taken from the 10 parts
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Are some parts of Dua taken from the 10 parts
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10 Siparas
YAM,
In my opinion only MHI would know.
In my opinion only MHI would know.
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Waiting for shamsu's response!
Yam,
Dear shamsu do you have any answer on this topic if yes then reply soon>>>>>
Thanx
Dear shamsu do you have any answer on this topic if yes then reply soon>>>>>
Thanx
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I dont know for sure
Dear shallwani,
There is reportedly one translation of the Quran by someone called Farman Ali (from the ahmadiya sect I think) from Pakistan. This translation has some ayats that praise Mowla Aly not found anywhere else.
Except our Dua.
I really dont want to say more on this issue.
Shams
There is reportedly one translation of the Quran by someone called Farman Ali (from the ahmadiya sect I think) from Pakistan. This translation has some ayats that praise Mowla Aly not found anywhere else.
Except our Dua.
I really dont want to say more on this issue.
Shams
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<P align=center>Your views<BR><BR>There is reportedly o­ne translation of the Quran by someone called Farman Ali (from the ahmadiya sect I think) from Pakistan. This translation has some ayats that praise Mowla Aly not found anywhere else. <BR>Except our Dua. <BR><BR>plz tell me more about it who is this Farman Aly and do you have its translation and can you tell me about Ahmedia sect </P>
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PARTS OF QURAN
DEAR BROTHERS
YA ALI MADAD AND IMAMAT DAY MUBARAK
I JUST ASK U ONE QUESTION: SO WHAT IF THE PARTS OF QURAN HAVE BEEN TAKEN OR NOT? WE HAVE A LIVING IMAM, WHO DOESN'T MISS A CHANCE TO LINK US WITH UMMA. SO PLEASE DONT INDULGE YOURSELVES IN THIS FUTILE DISCUSSION. JUST TRY TO BE A TRUE MUSLIM AND ISMAILI. JUST READ THE FARMANS CONCERNING IMAGE OF ISLAM AND TRUE BROTHERHOOD SPIRIT.
MAY MHI BLESS ALL OF U WITH JOYS, LAUGHTERS, BARKAAT & IMAN SALAMATI. AMEN
YA ALI MADAD AND IMAMAT DAY MUBARAK
I JUST ASK U ONE QUESTION: SO WHAT IF THE PARTS OF QURAN HAVE BEEN TAKEN OR NOT? WE HAVE A LIVING IMAM, WHO DOESN'T MISS A CHANCE TO LINK US WITH UMMA. SO PLEASE DONT INDULGE YOURSELVES IN THIS FUTILE DISCUSSION. JUST TRY TO BE A TRUE MUSLIM AND ISMAILI. JUST READ THE FARMANS CONCERNING IMAGE OF ISLAM AND TRUE BROTHERHOOD SPIRIT.
MAY MHI BLESS ALL OF U WITH JOYS, LAUGHTERS, BARKAAT & IMAN SALAMATI. AMEN
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Then why IIS
sscharania do you know IIS is researching on these ten parts then why are they doing research are they mad and kmaherali why are they not Saying mowla would know that and for your kind information IIS has also found some papers of these ten part but i dont have much information on this any one from IIS plz tell em about this particular reasearch?
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Missing parts of Quran
YAM,
Would u please tell me where's the research of IIS reached? I again repeat my question: So what? Ok suppose they have found all the parts, are they going to publish a new Quran for ismailies? Leave this futile discussion. It isn't worth of discussing. Concentrate on Farmans of Hazar Imam. Follow the religion punctually. Go to jamatkhana in the morning compulsory, it will give u inner light, which will guide to the true meaning of everything.
MHI bless all of u with joys, laughters and barkaat. Amen
Would u please tell me where's the research of IIS reached? I again repeat my question: So what? Ok suppose they have found all the parts, are they going to publish a new Quran for ismailies? Leave this futile discussion. It isn't worth of discussing. Concentrate on Farmans of Hazar Imam. Follow the religion punctually. Go to jamatkhana in the morning compulsory, it will give u inner light, which will guide to the true meaning of everything.
MHI bless all of u with joys, laughters and barkaat. Amen
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I have not said that IIS is publishing New Quran
Plz if you want to participate in this discussion than you can but plz dont write like this
"LEAVE THIS FUTILE DISCUSSION" And plz if you dont like this topic then dont write again And i have not said that IIS is publishing new Quran you're taking it wrong IIS has found some papers but those papers are not in good form.
KHUSHALI MUBARAK TO YOU ALL!
"LEAVE THIS FUTILE DISCUSSION" And plz if you dont like this topic then dont write again And i have not said that IIS is publishing new Quran you're taking it wrong IIS has found some papers but those papers are not in good form.
KHUSHALI MUBARAK TO YOU ALL!
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Syed Imam Shah says in Ginan that
4) Eji Joma(n) Joma(n) ma(n)ae ae Narji kahiae
Teni sa(n)kh che aelm mahain,
Chalis sipara Kuran na,
Te mahain tris che duniya mahain. Cheto.....
4) In every Imam it is the same Noor of Ali and the scriptures
bear that out of 40 parts of the Quran are a proof
of that and verily 30 are in this world.
5) Eji Das sipara baaki rahya,
Te che ae ghar mahain,
Athar ved tene kahiae,
Teni vani Satgur mukhaj mahain. Cheto.....
5) The rest of th 10 paras are really the gist of this religion
Momins you should recognize the 10 Siparas as the prime
religion and that was what Pir Satgur introduced you to.
4) Eji Joma(n) Joma(n) ma(n)ae ae Narji kahiae
Teni sa(n)kh che aelm mahain,
Chalis sipara Kuran na,
Te mahain tris che duniya mahain. Cheto.....
4) In every Imam it is the same Noor of Ali and the scriptures
bear that out of 40 parts of the Quran are a proof
of that and verily 30 are in this world.
5) Eji Das sipara baaki rahya,
Te che ae ghar mahain,
Athar ved tene kahiae,
Teni vani Satgur mukhaj mahain. Cheto.....
5) The rest of th 10 paras are really the gist of this religion
Momins you should recognize the 10 Siparas as the prime
religion and that was what Pir Satgur introduced you to.
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Sscharania your question was SO WHAT IF THE PARTS OF QURAN HAVE BEEN TAKEN OR NOT? WE HAVE A LIVING IMAM, WHO DOESN'T MISS A CHANCE TO LINK US WITH UMMA.
But in Ginan it is
The rest of th 10 paras are really the gist of this religion
Momins you should recognize the 10 Siparas as the prime
religion and that was what Pir Satgur introduced you to.
And IIS or any one else can not publish these 10 parts of Quran as per Farman.
But in Ginan it is
The rest of th 10 paras are really the gist of this religion
Momins you should recognize the 10 Siparas as the prime
religion and that was what Pir Satgur introduced you to.
And IIS or any one else can not publish these 10 parts of Quran as per Farman.
Farman
YAM and Imamat Day Mubarak,
The last line of the ginan actually translates as this.
Teni vani Satgur mukhaj mahain
That speech is in the mouth of Satgur.
This is the literal translation of this line and what it really means is that the Speech(words) of Satgur has these 10 siparas in it.
Therefore the 10 siparas are in the Farmans of our Pir (Satgur).
Salwat pado alamiria.
The support for this statement of mine is Imam SMS Farman in Kalame Imame Mubeen where he has said that those 10 siparas Pir Sadardeen has given you in his ruhani ginans.
Even the sunni's know that only 30 siparas were sent to earth and Allah kept 10 with himself. A sunni friend in college had told me this.
So if the 10 siparas are revealed in Imam's Farmans what does that make our Imam.
Think
Reflect
Analyse
Internalize
Actualize
The last line of the ginan actually translates as this.
Teni vani Satgur mukhaj mahain
That speech is in the mouth of Satgur.
This is the literal translation of this line and what it really means is that the Speech(words) of Satgur has these 10 siparas in it.
Therefore the 10 siparas are in the Farmans of our Pir (Satgur).
Salwat pado alamiria.
The support for this statement of mine is Imam SMS Farman in Kalame Imame Mubeen where he has said that those 10 siparas Pir Sadardeen has given you in his ruhani ginans.
Even the sunni's know that only 30 siparas were sent to earth and Allah kept 10 with himself. A sunni friend in college had told me this.
So if the 10 siparas are revealed in Imam's Farmans what does that make our Imam.
Think
Reflect
Analyse
Internalize
Actualize
40 sipars of Quran
YAM
The answer of the question that "whether DUA has been taken from the lost 10 siparas of Quran" is only known to HI. He is the speaking Quran so we need not to find the lost 10 siparas. Also when the Quran was revealed there was no Sipara at that time. There were only Surahs and Ayaats and after the departure of Hazrat Muhammad from this world the Written Quran was with Hazrat Ali. But when Usman made the orders of collection of Quran they intentionally ignored Hazrat Ali to keep Quran separate from Ahle Bait. That is why His name is never quoted in the list of people who collected Quran.The meaning of "Para/sipara" is to make pieces and it does not make any difference to make 30 pieces of Quran which were in orignal 40. It is only a matter of compilation and ease. The are questions also about the arrangement of surahs. But as Hazrat Ali did not raise any question about the authenticity of Quran then there must not be any difference in Quran collected by Usman and available with Maula Ali. Because if there would have been any difference Hazrat Ali must have made it public but no such quote has ever been referred. And if our Maula has not raised questions about the validity of Quran available to Muslim Ummah for whatever reason then who we are to create such a controversy. Therefore, we should refrain ourselves from public discussion of such issues which can create disharmony among various sects of Islam.
Regards
Ali Imran.
The answer of the question that "whether DUA has been taken from the lost 10 siparas of Quran" is only known to HI. He is the speaking Quran so we need not to find the lost 10 siparas. Also when the Quran was revealed there was no Sipara at that time. There were only Surahs and Ayaats and after the departure of Hazrat Muhammad from this world the Written Quran was with Hazrat Ali. But when Usman made the orders of collection of Quran they intentionally ignored Hazrat Ali to keep Quran separate from Ahle Bait. That is why His name is never quoted in the list of people who collected Quran.The meaning of "Para/sipara" is to make pieces and it does not make any difference to make 30 pieces of Quran which were in orignal 40. It is only a matter of compilation and ease. The are questions also about the arrangement of surahs. But as Hazrat Ali did not raise any question about the authenticity of Quran then there must not be any difference in Quran collected by Usman and available with Maula Ali. Because if there would have been any difference Hazrat Ali must have made it public but no such quote has ever been referred. And if our Maula has not raised questions about the validity of Quran available to Muslim Ummah for whatever reason then who we are to create such a controversy. Therefore, we should refrain ourselves from public discussion of such issues which can create disharmony among various sects of Islam.
Regards
Ali Imran.
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Quran Comiled by Hazrat Ali
There is no dispute among Muslim scholars, whether they are Sunni or Shia, concerning the fact that the Commander of Believers, Ali (AS), possessed a special transcript of the text of Quran which he had collected himself, and he was THE FIRST who compiled Quran. There are a great number of traditions from Sunni and Shia which states that after the death of the Holy Prophet (PBUH), Imam Ali sat down in his house and said that he had sworn an oath that he would not put on his outdoor clothes or leave his house until he collects together the Quran.
Sunni references:
- Fahul Bari fi Sharh Sahih al-Bukhari, by Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, v10,
- al-fihrist, by (Ibn) an-Nadim, p30
- al-Itqan, by al-Suyuti, v1, p165
- al-Masahif, by Ibn Abi Dawud, p10
- Hilyatul awliya', by Abu Nu'aym, v1, p67
- al-Sahibi, by Ibn Faris, p79
- 'Umdatul Qari, by al-Ayni, v20, p16
- Kanzul Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, v15, pp 112-113
- al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 9, Section 4, p197
- Ma'rifat al-Qurra' al-kibar, by al-Dhahabi, v1, p31
There are also traditions from the Imams of Ahlul Bayt which tell us that this was done by Imam Ali by order of the Holy Prophet (See al-Bihar, v92, pp 40-41,48,51-52). This transcript of Quran which compiled by Imam Ali (AS) had the following unique specifications:
a) It was collected according to its revelation, i.e., in the order in which it had been sent down. This is the reason that Muhammad Ibn Sireen (33/653 - 110/729), the famous scholar and Tabi'i (disciples of the companions of the Holy Prophet), regretted that this transcript had not passed into the hands of the Muslims, and said: "If that transcript were in our hands, we would found a great knowledge in it."
Sunni References:
- at-Tabaqat, by Ibn Sa'd, v2, part 2, p101<BR>- Ansab al-ashraf, by al-Baladhuri, v1, p587
- al-Istiab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr, v3, pp 973-974
- Sharh Ibn Abi al-Hadid, v6, pp 40-41
- al-Tas'hil, by Ibn Juzzi al-Kalbi, v1, p4
- al-Itqan, by al-Suyuti, v1, p166
- al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 9, Section 4, p197
- Ma'rifat al-Qurra' al-kibar, by al-Dhahabi, v1, p32
b) This transcript contained commentary and hermeneutic interpretation(Tafsir and Ta'wil) from the Holy Prophet some of which had been sent down as revelation but NOT as a part of the text of Quran. A small amount of such texts can be found in some traditions in Usul al-Kafi. These pieces of information were the Divine commentary of the text of Quran which were revealed along with Quranic verses. Thus the commentary verses and Quranic verses could sum up to 17000 verses. As Sunnis know, Hadith al-Qudsi (the Hadith in which the speaker is Allah) is also direct revelation, but they are not a part of Quran. In fact Quran testifies that anything that Prophet said was (either direct or indirect) revelation (See Quran 53:3-4). The direct revelation includes the interpretation/commentary of the Quran. In addition, this unique transcript contained the information from the Holy Prophet about which verse was abrogated and which was abrogating, which verse was clear (Muhkam) and which was ambiguous (Mutashabih), which verse was general and which was specific.
c) This unique transcript also contained references to the persons, places etc., about which the verses were revealed, what is called "Asbab al-Nuzul". Since the Commander of Believers was aware of these facts, he frequently said: "By Allah, no verse has been sent down without my knowing about whom or what it was revealed and where it was revealed. My Lord has gifted me with a mind which has a quick and retaining understanding, and a tongue which speaks eloquently."
Sunni References:
- Hilyatul Awliyaa, by Abu Nu'aym, v1, pp 67-68
- at-Tabaqat, by Ibn Sa'd, v2, part 2, p101
- Kanzul Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, v15, p113
- al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 9, Section 4, p197
After he compiled this transcript, Imam Ali (AS) took it and presented it to the rulers who came after the Holy Prophet, and said: "Here is the book of Allah, your Lord, in the order that was revealed to your Prophet." but they did not accept it and replied: "We have no need of this. We have ith us what you possess." Thereupon, Imam Ali (AS) took the transcript back and informed them that they will never see it again. It is reported that Imam Ali recited the latter part of the following verse of Quran:
"And when Allah took a Covenant from the People of the Book to clarify it to mankind and not to hide its (clarification); but they threw it away behind their backs and purchased with it some miserable gain! and what an evil was the bargain they made!" (Quran 3:187) By "its clarification", Imam Ali meant the unique divine commentaries. The Commander of Believers then concealed that transcript, and after him it was passed to the Imams who also kept it concealed.
It is necessary to emphasize here that all grand scholars of the Imami Shia are in agreement that the Quran which is at present among the Muslims is the very same Quran that was sent down to the Holy Prophet, and that it has not been altered. Nothing has been added to it, and nothing is missing from it. The Quran which was compiled by Imam Ali (excluding the commentaries) and the Quran that is in the hand of people today, are identical in terms of words and sentences. No word, verse, chapter is missing. The difference is that the current Quran (collected by the companions) is not in the order that was revealed.
I THINK NOW IT WILL CONCLUDE THIS DISCUSSION.
YAM
Ali Imran
Sunni references:
- Fahul Bari fi Sharh Sahih al-Bukhari, by Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, v10,
- al-fihrist, by (Ibn) an-Nadim, p30
- al-Itqan, by al-Suyuti, v1, p165
- al-Masahif, by Ibn Abi Dawud, p10
- Hilyatul awliya', by Abu Nu'aym, v1, p67
- al-Sahibi, by Ibn Faris, p79
- 'Umdatul Qari, by al-Ayni, v20, p16
- Kanzul Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, v15, pp 112-113
- al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 9, Section 4, p197
- Ma'rifat al-Qurra' al-kibar, by al-Dhahabi, v1, p31
There are also traditions from the Imams of Ahlul Bayt which tell us that this was done by Imam Ali by order of the Holy Prophet (See al-Bihar, v92, pp 40-41,48,51-52). This transcript of Quran which compiled by Imam Ali (AS) had the following unique specifications:
a) It was collected according to its revelation, i.e., in the order in which it had been sent down. This is the reason that Muhammad Ibn Sireen (33/653 - 110/729), the famous scholar and Tabi'i (disciples of the companions of the Holy Prophet), regretted that this transcript had not passed into the hands of the Muslims, and said: "If that transcript were in our hands, we would found a great knowledge in it."
Sunni References:
- at-Tabaqat, by Ibn Sa'd, v2, part 2, p101<BR>- Ansab al-ashraf, by al-Baladhuri, v1, p587
- al-Istiab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr, v3, pp 973-974
- Sharh Ibn Abi al-Hadid, v6, pp 40-41
- al-Tas'hil, by Ibn Juzzi al-Kalbi, v1, p4
- al-Itqan, by al-Suyuti, v1, p166
- al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 9, Section 4, p197
- Ma'rifat al-Qurra' al-kibar, by al-Dhahabi, v1, p32
b) This transcript contained commentary and hermeneutic interpretation(Tafsir and Ta'wil) from the Holy Prophet some of which had been sent down as revelation but NOT as a part of the text of Quran. A small amount of such texts can be found in some traditions in Usul al-Kafi. These pieces of information were the Divine commentary of the text of Quran which were revealed along with Quranic verses. Thus the commentary verses and Quranic verses could sum up to 17000 verses. As Sunnis know, Hadith al-Qudsi (the Hadith in which the speaker is Allah) is also direct revelation, but they are not a part of Quran. In fact Quran testifies that anything that Prophet said was (either direct or indirect) revelation (See Quran 53:3-4). The direct revelation includes the interpretation/commentary of the Quran. In addition, this unique transcript contained the information from the Holy Prophet about which verse was abrogated and which was abrogating, which verse was clear (Muhkam) and which was ambiguous (Mutashabih), which verse was general and which was specific.
c) This unique transcript also contained references to the persons, places etc., about which the verses were revealed, what is called "Asbab al-Nuzul". Since the Commander of Believers was aware of these facts, he frequently said: "By Allah, no verse has been sent down without my knowing about whom or what it was revealed and where it was revealed. My Lord has gifted me with a mind which has a quick and retaining understanding, and a tongue which speaks eloquently."
Sunni References:
- Hilyatul Awliyaa, by Abu Nu'aym, v1, pp 67-68
- at-Tabaqat, by Ibn Sa'd, v2, part 2, p101
- Kanzul Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, v15, p113
- al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 9, Section 4, p197
After he compiled this transcript, Imam Ali (AS) took it and presented it to the rulers who came after the Holy Prophet, and said: "Here is the book of Allah, your Lord, in the order that was revealed to your Prophet." but they did not accept it and replied: "We have no need of this. We have ith us what you possess." Thereupon, Imam Ali (AS) took the transcript back and informed them that they will never see it again. It is reported that Imam Ali recited the latter part of the following verse of Quran:
"And when Allah took a Covenant from the People of the Book to clarify it to mankind and not to hide its (clarification); but they threw it away behind their backs and purchased with it some miserable gain! and what an evil was the bargain they made!" (Quran 3:187) By "its clarification", Imam Ali meant the unique divine commentaries. The Commander of Believers then concealed that transcript, and after him it was passed to the Imams who also kept it concealed.
It is necessary to emphasize here that all grand scholars of the Imami Shia are in agreement that the Quran which is at present among the Muslims is the very same Quran that was sent down to the Holy Prophet, and that it has not been altered. Nothing has been added to it, and nothing is missing from it. The Quran which was compiled by Imam Ali (excluding the commentaries) and the Quran that is in the hand of people today, are identical in terms of words and sentences. No word, verse, chapter is missing. The difference is that the current Quran (collected by the companions) is not in the order that was revealed.
I THINK NOW IT WILL CONCLUDE THIS DISCUSSION.
YAM
Ali Imran
Imam SMS
Imam SMS has clearly mentioned that apart from changing the order of verses, things were added to it and things were edited out from it.
When you read the Quran, your inner voice will tell you when the Ayat has been altered and when it hasn't.
when the ayat takes a completely illogical turn is what you may want to look out for.
And please, dont say it is complete. There have been things written about 200 ayats of surae Tauba written on leaves and kept under the bed, being eaten by a goat after Rasulillahs death.
Shams
When you read the Quran, your inner voice will tell you when the Ayat has been altered and when it hasn't.
when the ayat takes a completely illogical turn is what you may want to look out for.
And please, dont say it is complete. There have been things written about 200 ayats of surae Tauba written on leaves and kept under the bed, being eaten by a goat after Rasulillahs death.
Shams
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my view
yar wut i think or have studied is
quran was never into parts when it was revealed
it was later when pplz made into parts for the easyness of studying it.
so they made thirty , may be quran have 40 parts devinly but humans made it into 30 parts for the easyness to be recited in the motnhs of ramzan as tarawi.
and as in quran it self
it has been said k Allah will take care of Quran and will protect it from any sort of change.
tou yar it may can have 2 meanings
it can be physical quran
and may can have
assoteric quran (IMAM)
and according to a research told to us in a lecture by Mr Shafeen Virani at Karimabad JK at Karachi. it is being said Quran is under a few methematical locks which are 13 / 17 or 19 in numbers and this thing is proven in Rasaeel - e- Akhwan us Safa. (it is claimed by ismailies that the these 52 Articles were written by ismaili Imam or Dai's in Door-e-Satar (we need to work historically on it)).
and recently while attanding a lecture program by ITREB Pakistan we were told by one of the scholars from ISMC AKU Mr Muncief Bin Abdel Jelil (he is considered more then 50% of the institution) that in Saudi Arabia few 1400 years old menu scripts are found from the destroyed city of FAO, by a german team. and that gives a totally shocking history about islam or pre islamic arabia.
according to him these menuscripts gave very very mind blowing evediance and tells history which cant be accepted today.
on querying him he refused to tell me much more about it as i wont be able to digest the information or he may be killed or i may be killed if any one of us any way leak out those information.
point is that things are going on.
and instead of posting such questions here on net
try to contact pplz who have worked on such topics from IIS n ISMC AKU or ITREB. or try to study your self and work hard on such issues.
well thts just a sugestion
Nurali Barkatali
[email protected]
[email protected]
03002199037
quran was never into parts when it was revealed
it was later when pplz made into parts for the easyness of studying it.
so they made thirty , may be quran have 40 parts devinly but humans made it into 30 parts for the easyness to be recited in the motnhs of ramzan as tarawi.
and as in quran it self
it has been said k Allah will take care of Quran and will protect it from any sort of change.
tou yar it may can have 2 meanings
it can be physical quran
and may can have
assoteric quran (IMAM)
and according to a research told to us in a lecture by Mr Shafeen Virani at Karimabad JK at Karachi. it is being said Quran is under a few methematical locks which are 13 / 17 or 19 in numbers and this thing is proven in Rasaeel - e- Akhwan us Safa. (it is claimed by ismailies that the these 52 Articles were written by ismaili Imam or Dai's in Door-e-Satar (we need to work historically on it)).
and recently while attanding a lecture program by ITREB Pakistan we were told by one of the scholars from ISMC AKU Mr Muncief Bin Abdel Jelil (he is considered more then 50% of the institution) that in Saudi Arabia few 1400 years old menu scripts are found from the destroyed city of FAO, by a german team. and that gives a totally shocking history about islam or pre islamic arabia.
according to him these menuscripts gave very very mind blowing evediance and tells history which cant be accepted today.
on querying him he refused to tell me much more about it as i wont be able to digest the information or he may be killed or i may be killed if any one of us any way leak out those information.
point is that things are going on.
and instead of posting such questions here on net
try to contact pplz who have worked on such topics from IIS n ISMC AKU or ITREB. or try to study your self and work hard on such issues.
well thts just a sugestion
Nurali Barkatali
[email protected]
[email protected]
03002199037
I know of one Farman on this issue. Though I am not sure whether it is the one Shamshu is alluding to.schatoor wrote: shamsu, can you tell me which farman you are talking about?
"Those who show partiality and try to favour somebody, then they will become ignorant like those who having brought about alterations in the Quran created discord in religion after the demise (lit. going behind the veil) of Prophet Muhammad from the Zahir." (Zanzibar, 14-9-1905)