znanwalla wrote:It is more effective to also show from the Quran itself so then it becomes more conclusive for those who are NOT Ismailis.
We have sent among you a Messenger from you (minkum) who recites to you Our Signs and purifies you and teaches you the Book (al-Kitab) and the Wisdom ( al-Hikmat) and teaches you that which you did not know. - Holy Quran 2:151
5: 17 There hath come to you From Allah a (new) light And a perspicuous Book
So SIGNS is plural ! Prophet purified and taught muslims the BOOK (Al-Kitab)...and the WISDOM ! and it is also clear that Allah has sent a LIGHT and a PERSCPICOUS Book ! Perscpicous means flawless and perfect in all respect !
The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him and his immaculate family) said, “I leave amongst you TWO most weighty things; one is the BOOK OF ALLAH, THE HOLY QUR’AN AND THE OTHER IS MY AHLUL-BAYT?
If the Holy Qur’an was not readily in the book form, then how come this is mentioned in the quran and in the hadith? And so then the question arises? why did muslims scramble to put together different "mushufs", after the Prophet's death and after many scribes had already died and then call it the Book? Are the TEXTS Perscpicous? No ! and so what do you want Allah to protect? HIS own BOOK which HE had given to the Prophet? or the one compiled by man?
Are the scattered chapters in the hearts and minds of people the same as a readily compiled Book ?
And so logically which one would Allah protect? HIS own Quran from which the Prophet was teaching? or the man made compilations done after his death?
Amir ul Momineen frequently said:
"By Allah,no verse has been sent down without my knowing about whom or what it was revealed and where it was revealed. "Ask me about the Book of Allah,for by Allah,there is no verse about which I do not know whether it was sent down at night or during the day,or whether it was revealed on a plain or in a mountain....."
[18:57] Who are more evil than those who are reminded of their Lord's proofs, then disregard them, without realizing what they are doing.
Consequently, we place shields on their hearts to prevent them from understanding it (the Quran), and deafness in their ears.
Thus they can never ever be guided.
God sent only one Quran - the original - as revealed and NOT as compiled and put together by the scribes and companions ....
Al-Baqir said: There is absolutely no one from the people that can say he has the entirety of the Qur'an as it was revealed by Allah except a liar; the one only who possesses it all and has preserved it as it was revealed by Allah was Ali ibn Abi Talib, and the Imams after him. (As-Saffar al-Qummi Basa'ir 4:193)
Now this is the Quran Allah has promised to protect - not the man made texts put together by the scribes, after the death of the Prophet SAW.
STARTLING CONFESSIONS
November 29th, 2007
STARTLING CONFESSIONS
Let us examine the personal confessions of some of the most ancient and foremost “Imams” (’Canonical’ authorities) who narrated History, Hadith (Prophetic sayings and traditions), laid down Fiqh (Islamic Jurisprudence) and did Tafseer (explanation) of the Quran.
IMAM RAZI’S HORRIBLE CONFESSION:
Most Muslims have heard of one of the most ancient and famous Tafseer-e-Kabeer (The Great Exposition of the Quran) by Imam Fakhruddin Razi.
This Tafseer is one of the tops being followed by our Mullahs till this day.
After writing his 300 volumes, ‘the great and authoritative’ Imam confesses: “All my intellectual and supposedly logical statements in the explanation of the Quran turned out to be lame.
All the explanations of the Quran done by the so-called Imams (Tabari, Zamakhshari, Ibne Kathir, Bukhari, Muslim etc) are misguided and misleading. All of us were the tools of Satan.
Our souls were polluted by our physical desires. All our endeavors and works of this world promise to bring upon us nothing but eternal humiliation, torture and doom.”
Hadith-Ul-Quran by Allama Inayatullah Khan Al-Mashriqi, 1954 edition, Pg 190.
IMAM TABARI’S STRANGE CONFESSION:
“I am writing this book as I hear from the narrators. If anything sounds absurd, I should not be blamed or held accountable. The responsibility of all blunders rests squarely on the shoulders of those who have narrated these stories to me.”
So, Tabari wrote nothing but hearsay. Mazhabi Dastanain Aur Un Ki Haqeeqat by Allama Habib-ur-Rahman Siddiqui Kandhalwi, Ar-Rahman Publishing Trust, Karachi
Tareekhil Umam Wal Mulook (The History of Nations and Kings) popularly called “The Mother of All Histories” is the first ever “History of Islam” written by ‘Imam’ Tabari (839-923 CE) at the junction of the third and fourth century AH. He died in 310 AH, three centuries after the exalted Prophet.
What were his sources? Not a scrap of paper! “He told me this who heard it from him who heard it from her and she heard it from so and so,” and so on.
By compiling his 13 Volume History and his 30 Volume Exposition of the Quran under royal patronage, Tabari became the Super Imam. The later historians until this day have persisted in following the trails of the Super Imam. Imam Zahri Wa Imam Tabari, Tasweer Ka Doosra Rukh by Muhaddith-ul-‘Asr Jaame’-ul-‘Uloom Hazrat Allama Tamanna Imadi Phulwari, Ar-Rahman Publishing Trust, Karachi
IMAM IBN KATHIR’S CONFESSION: “Had Ibn Jareer Tabari not recorded the strange reports, I would never have done so.” Tafseer Ibn Katheer, Khilaafat-e-Mu’awiya-o-Yazeed, Mahmood Ahmed Abbasi
IMAM AHMAD BIN HANBAL’S CHASTISEMENT: The sincere Islamic scholar of the 20th century, Allama Shibli Na’mani, on page 27 Vol 1 of his Seeratun Nabi has given a startling quote of the ancient Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (d. 241 AH), “Three kinds of books are absolutely unfounded, Maghazi, Malahem and Tafseer.” (The Prophet’s Battles, Dreams & Prophecies and Expositions of the Quran.)
HISTORIAN IBN KHALDOON’S THRASHING: “The Muslim historians have made a mockery of history by filling it with fabrications and senseless lies.”
Muqaddama Tareekh Ibn Khaldoon. [Ibn Khaldoon then himself makes a mockery of history. Allama Sir Muhammad Iqbal points out that there is nothing worth reading in his book but the preface, Muqaddama. Dr. Shabbir respectfully agrees.]
SHAH ABDUL AZIZ’S CRITIQUE: “Several pages of Ibn Khaldoon’s History have been deliberately removed since the earliest times.
SHAH WALIULLAH’S CHASTISEMENT: “Imam Jalaluddin Sayyuti’s Tarikh-ul-Khulafa is the prime example of how our Historians, Muhaddithin and Mufassirin, each have played like Haatib-il-Lail (The man who collects firewood at night not knowing which piece is good and which one is bad).” Hujjatullah-il-Baalighah
WHO AUTHORISED muslims TO INTRODUCE THESE INNOVATIONS IN ISLAM?
THE RELIGION OF ISLAM WAS ALREADY COMPLETED BY ALLAH HIMSELF BY THE TIME THE HOLY PROPHET (peace and blessings be upon him and his immaculate progeny) PARTED THIS WORLD.
33:36 “IT IS NOT FOR TRUE BELIEVERS - MEN OR WOMEN - TO TAKE THEIR CHOICE IN THEIR AFFAIRS IF ALLAH AND HIS APOSTLE DECREE OTHERWISE. HE THAT DISOBEYS ALLAH AND HIS APOSTLE STRAYS FAR INDEED.”
49:1-2 “BELIEVERS DO NOT BE FORWARD IN THE PRESENCE OF ALLAH AND HIS APOSTLE. HAVE FEAR OF ALLAH: HE HEARS ALL AND KNOWS ALL. BELIEVERS DO NOT RAISE YOUR VOICE ABOVE THE VOICE OF THE PROPHET, NOR SPEAK ALOUD WHEN SPEAKING TO HIM AS YOU DO TO ONE ANOTHER. LEST YOUR LABOUR SHOULD COME TO NOTHING WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE.”
59:8 “WHATEVER THE PROPHET GIVES YOU, ACCEPT IT AND WHATEVER HE FORBIDS YOU FORBEAR IT.”
59:8 “WHATEVER THE PROPHET GIVES YOU, ACCEPT IT AND WHATEVER HE FORBIDS YOU FORBEAR IT.”
If the Messenger of Allah could not and would not alter anything, how could the muslims interfere and introduce bida’h? And so what sort of Muslims are we to accept such innovations, to begin with?
Didn’t the Holy Prophet (pbuhf) say, “whatever I Muhammad has made halal will remain halal up to the Day of Judgement and whatever I Muhammad has made haram will remain haram up to the Day of Judgement”?
If so, then on whose authority are we Muslims following the innovations and bid’ats ?
THE ABOVE MENTIONED VERSES ARE CLEAR CUT AND THERE IS NO ROOM FOR ANY INNOVATIONS OR BID’AH IN ISLAM.
“This day I have perfected your religion for you and completed My favour to you. I have chosen Islam to be your faith.” 5:3.
If Allah claims to have completed His Deen, then why and for what are all these changes after the departure of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him and his immaculate progeny) accepted by the muslims?
How can one claim to be following the Deen of Muhammad (pbuh) if they allow such manipulation ?
This would then mean drifting away from the original Islam as preached by the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him and his immaculate progeny) in the light of the Holy Qur’an and as per commandment of Allah.
Do you have more questions? do please ask if you require further clarifications.
The verses which you refer to, they seem to refer to a broader and more general meaning.
As Shams had said above, the Imam interprets the Qur'an. However, what Qur'an does he interpret if there is no book? It is very clear that our Prophet (peace be upon him) had specifically ordered scribes to write down the verses of the Qur'an as they were being revealed. Would this not have been pointless if he knew they would be corrupted?
98:1. Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, were not going to depart (from their ways) until there should come to them Clear Evidence,- 2. An apostle from Allah, rehearsing scriptures kept pure and holy:
As for the posting in regards to the scholars of tafsir, please refer to my above post, where I have listed verses with respect to the foundation of Qur'an being unambiguous.
"It has been said that the Qur’an is its own best commentary . As we proceed with the study of the Book, we find how true this is. A careful comparison and collation of passages from the Qur’an removes many difficulties. Use a good concordance, such as the one I have named among the Works of reference, and you will find that one passage throws light on another." The Holy Qur’an- Translation and commentary by A. Yusuf Ali, pp xi
"The Qur’an must not be viewed as a compilation of individual injunctions and exhortations but as one integral whole: that is, as an exposition of an ethical doctrine in which every verse and sentence has an intimate bearing on other verses and sentences, all of them clarifying and amplifying one another. Consequently, its real meaning can be grasped only if we correlate every one of its statements with what has been stated elsewhere in its passages, and try to explain its ideas by means of frequent cross references, always subordinating the particular to the general and the incidental to the intrinsic. Whenever this rule is faithfully followed, we realize that the Qur’an is - in the words of Muhammed Abduh- "its own best commentary". The Message of THE QUR-AN by Muhammad Asad, pp vii
A person should approach the Book for the purpose of sincerely seeking divine guidance, and should keep his mind receptive and free from all pre conceived notions. If this is done, the meaning of the Qur’an will be clearly apparent to him and he will discover that the Qur’an is a simple, clear and self explanatory Book, kept independent from all sorts of traditions for its exegesis.
http://freequranonline.org/Tafsir-Quran
For me personally, the hadiths are a very complex and cannot be relied upon if they do not have the Qur'an to corroborate it.
There are many hadiths which contradict the Quran, each other, or at least state something else.
Alleged contradictions in Hadith
"Haaroon al-Rasheed arrested a heretic and ordered that he be executed. The heretic said, "Why are you executing me?" Haaroon al-Rasheed said, "To rid the people of you." The heretic said: "O Ameer al-Mu'mineen, what will you do about the thousand ahaadeeth - according to one report, four thousand ahaadeeth - which I have fabricated and spread among you, in which I made what is halaal haraam and what is haraam halaal, of which the Prophet uttered not one letter?" Haaroon al-Rasheed said to him: "What will you do, O enemy of Allaah, about Abu Ishaaq al-Fazaari and 'Abd-Allaah ibn al-Mubaarak? They will go through them and sift them letter by letter."
—al-Dhahabi[24]
While the Quran says that adultery must be punished with whipping,[25] the Hadith has abrogated this and said instead that married adulterers should be stoned to death.[26]
A Hadith recorded by Bukhari and Abu Daoud suggests that drawing blood violates one's fast, while another Hadith recorded by the same scholars suggests Muhammad had his blood drawn while fasting.[27]
Hanbal recorded a Hadith where the Prophet forbid the people to face towards the Qibla while relieving themselves, while Bukhari recorded the opposite, that Muhammad had his own toilet point towards the Qiblah in order to discourage superstition.[27]
Ibn Kutayba wrote a book dealing solely with contradictory Hadith, such as one in which Muhammad kissed his wives while fasting, and one in which he answered a query by stating that kissing one's wife violated a fast.[27]
Although Bukhari records a Hadith where Muhammad urinated while standing, Sunneni Nesei stated that "if someone says to you that the Prophet urinated standing, do not believe him".[27]
Abu Daoud recorded two Hadith, one in which the speaker says he saw the Prophet standing and drinking water "like you and me", and another in which he forbids drinking water while standing upright.[27]
Hadith states that Muhammad had forbidden people to perform marriages, or seek spouses, while performing the Hajj. Yet he is believed to have married Maymuna bint al-Harith while performing the pilgrimage himself.[27]
While Tahzibut Tazhib records that Muhammad ordered his followers to cover their calves as they were a part of their genitals, Hanbal recorded that Omar and Muhammad were both reclining with their calves uncovered when Abu Bakr requested entrance to their domicile, and was granted access and that they did not cover themselves.[27]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_ ... _in_Hadith
4:82. Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than God, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.
kmaherali wrote:The Message can be interpreted as the Guidance manifested in the living Imam who is protected from corruption.
15:9. We have, without doubt, sent down the Message
al-zikr; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption)
69. We have not instructed the (Prophet) in Poetry, nor is it meet for him: this is no less than a
Message and a Qur'an making things clear:
The Qur'an is synonymous to the "Message"
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