Centuries old question...why is prostitution illegal?

Mehreen1221 · Post by **Mehreen1221** » Sun Jun 07, 2009 9:37 pm

Why should prostitution be considered any kind of crime? The victims aren't complaining...So why should the rest of us care?

Post by **Admin** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:15 am

I don't know if it should be or not considered as illegal but the debate has been going on for centuries.

We have to see this issue from the point of view of the most important thing in life which is human dignity. I think most of these prostitutes are forced into it by circumstances beyond their control and they lose their human dignity in the process. Sometimes they lose their honour, their family, their health, their life.

If they are not complaining it is because they can not. Not because they don't want to.

Society try to react to protect them from trafficking and exploitation by bringing various laws but unfortunately it has not been very successful in doing so.

It will remain a debate for many more centuries.

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:12 pm

mehreen its like asking " why a woman who just got raped should register an FIR against the criminal even though the feeling of sex was there "

some woman are unfortunate and the last option they choose is to sell their body and some do it for quick money, in both the cases its haram, iam not saying this by myself, it is mentioned in quran

24:33 (Y. Ali) Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),

in english we say,

"Don't commit crimes thinking you can get away with it."

Does this mean one should commit crimes if a person thinks otherwise?

Mehreen1221 · Post by **Mehreen1221** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:51 pm

Well...I'm sorta lost between your thinking about crimes or thinking about committing crimes or actually committing crimes or otherwise ...too many variables, you know...

in rape, there is no consent of the rapee...and that's why, generally speaking, it is a criminal act... or else it's just two consenting adults having fun....whether a monetary transaction is involved or not...

Actually, prostitution is somewhat legal or protected across North America and Europe under ‘adult services’ like escort services and indirectly at massage parlors and other places…It is only street prostitution which is illegal...so more richer you are, more legal it is for you...although, New York Governor Eliot Spitzer got into trouble for it but I think his case was a pure political and corporate witch hunt...

I think, street prostitution is illegal because governments will have hard time getting it taxed...you know, there will be all kinds of controversies and inconsistencies about...like how much GST/PST tariffs for a blowjob or muff diving or full intercourse in a certain area of the country and so forth...and it can get more complicated when the prostitutes and pimps are asked to submit receipts by IRS or CRA when they file for their tax returns...you can imagine the rest of the fiasco...eh?

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:03 pm

Well...I'm sorta lost between your thinking about crimes or thinking about committing crimes or actually committing crimes or otherwise ...too many variables, you know...

in rape, there is no consent of the rapee...and that's why, generally speaking, it is a criminal act... or else it's just two consenting adults having fun....whether a monetary transaction is involved or not...

Actually, prostitution is somewhat legal or protected across North America and Europe under ‘adult services’ like escort services and indirectly at massage parlors and other places…It is only street prostitution which is illegal...so more richer you are, more legal it is for you...although, New York Governor Eliot Spitzer got into trouble for it but I think his case was a pure political and corporate witch hunt...

I think, street prostitution is illegal because governments will have hard time getting it taxed...you know, there will be all kinds of controversies and inconsistencies about...like how much GST/PST tariffs for a blowjob or muff diving or full intercourse in a certain area of the country and so forth...and it can get more complicated when the prostitutes and pimps are asked to submit receipts by IRS or CRA when they file for their tax returns...you can imagine the rest of the fiasco...eh?

well its very simple, rape is by force and prostitution is often FORCED or circumstances that FORCE a person to sell his/her body, either way its not acceptable in islam

being a woman you are saying "prostitution should be legal ?" so you want people to use woman like a trash bag ?

i think you were the one who said in other topic that SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE is ok , i can see where you're coming from , i just hope and pray that you dont sell your body for the sake of few bucks

Mehreen1221 · Post by **Mehreen1221** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:56 pm

Here it goes again...the sex before marriage crap...or err..is it marriage before sex...?

Shiraz, I've never heard or read anywhere that implies prostitution as rape…and you are not convincing either…

I’m not advocating for the prostitution to be legal nor want to be part of it in anyway… just curios about the issue…and FYI, it is a very high class industry and lots of women and men are making very good living off of it…it ain’t just a business of women going down the street with low lives for few bucks…

Anyways, I kinda figured that this is the wrong blog to talk about such a topic…so bye bye.

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:34 pm

Here it goes again...the sex before marriage crap...or err..is it marriage before sex...?

having sex after marriage is correct !

Shiraz, I've never heard or read anywhere that implies prostitution as rape…and you are not convincing either…

iam not trying to distinguish prostitution or rape ,iam saying when a woman is raped the feeling of sex is there, but yet it is called a crime , why ? because it is done by force....and its the same thing with prostitution, its just that no case is registered after you have sex with a prostitute becuase some need money for their family or some do it for quick bucks either way its haram in islam

i dunno which religion you belong to where sex before marriage is legal, prostitution is legal , having multiple partners is legal etc etc

I’m not advocating for the prostitution to be legal nor want to be part of it in anyway… just curios about the issue…and FYI, it is a very high class industry and lots of women and men are making very good living off of it…it ain’t just a business of women going down the street with low lives for few bucks…

mehreen its the same way our ismailis make money by selling alcohol in their gas stations, its HARAM.....consuming alcohol or selling it is forbidden in islam , in the same way having sex with a prostitute or becoming a prostitute is haram in islam

tell me this whats the use of of such money where you have to sell your body and soul ??

By the way, what’s the plastic bags have to do with prostitution?…are you one of those environmental freaks who always talk about banning plastic bags and bottled water...and this and that…my god, live or die but let others live…

i never said plastic bag , i used the term TRASH...guess you ignored it and what s the use of living a life like a slut ??

Anyways, I kinda figured that this is the wrong blog to talk about such a topic…so bye bye.

just because we dont support prostitution does not mean that its a wrong blog or we are old fashioned , the only thing that is wrong is your mentality , try changing it and you'll be straight

a1337 · Post by **a1337** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:35 am

Shiraz, you have a really pompous means of getting your point across. Your main argument can be summed up as respect for women and yet you attack Mehreen for expressing her opinion. My understanding of what Mehreen was stating was that we argue that prostitution in its simplest form is deemed as wrong when there are many variations that dress up the concept. Examples would include escort services, massage parlours, arranged marriages where the woman has no say in whom she marries due to a transfer of goods from the husband to her family, etc. Also, that prostitution isn't rape because the woman is consenting, and the reason women get abused in the field of prostitution is because pimps and no accountability, which is a result of it being illegal. On that note, prostitution is a two-way street and you have John's committing adultery, premarital sex and the potential transfer of disease (which could avoided if it's legal).

I think while prostitution may be morally wrong, it should be legal as there is no legal justification, like alcohol for example. I can legally drink in Canada, but I don't. Something being legal doesn't justify it morally, and we shouldn't force others to live as we live, because we warrant others to do the same to us. Also, by this being legal, prostitutes could have the support they need to be safe.

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:46 pm

Shiraz, you have a really pompous means of getting your point across. Your main argument can be summed up as respect for women and yet you attack Mehreen for expressing her opinion. My understanding of what Mehreen was stating was that we argue that prostitution in its simplest form is deemed as wrong when there are many variations that dress up the concept. Examples would include escort services, massage parlours, arranged marriages where the woman has no say in whom she marries due to a transfer of goods from the husband to her family, etc. Also, that prostitution isn't rape because the woman is consenting, and the reason women get abused in the field of prostitution is because pimps and no accountability, which is a result of it being illegal. On that note, prostitution is a two-way street and you have John's committing adultery, premarital sex and the potential transfer of disease (which could avoided if it's legal).

this is where you and me differ, for you arrange marriage is the same old 1900 years old culture where a father chooses a man for his daughter and she has to marry him even if she like him or not, well thats not the case in our ismaili tarikah

both a man and woman who are about to get married spent quality amount of time getting to know each other....plus when did i said love marriage is haram ???

love itself is a mercy of allah

if prostitution is made legal then whats the purpose of marriage ?? if i go with your opinion then its like marriage is all about sex, sex and more sex...NO!!..its a bond between 2 sexes, they share their sorrow and happiness, good times and bad times together

ask your dada/nana if they can survive without your nani/dadi

, as the person gets old he/she gets more and more dependent on their spouse

DOES THIS HAPPEN IN PROSTITUTION/ESCORT SERVICE/MASSAGE PARLOUR etc etc ??

I think while prostitution may be morally wrong, it should be legal as there is no legal justification, like alcohol for example. I can legally drink in Canada, but I don't. Something being legal doesn't justify it morally, and we shouldn't force others to live as we live, because we warrant others to do the same to us. Also, by this being legal, prostitutes could have the support they need to be safe.

my friend religion does not change as per country if thats the case then our imam will send us wine or beer as niyaz and not the holy water = abe safa/ abe shafa , your country may allow prostitution/alcohol etc etc but islam doesnt

if alcohol is legal in canada, then the law that makes it legal is made by human's and not allah[god] , similarly saying prositution should be legal is peoples choice and not allahs command because he made it very clear and so did our imam when he said

"stay away from social evils"

" have good social habits "

i can give you reference if you want

please note - i never abused any woman [including mehreen] , the term used for prostitutes are whore,slut etc etc

forgive me for what iam asking you but if somebody calls your sister @ above names wont you get mad ?? you will isnt it ?

in the same way when you say prostitution should be legal i feel the same pain

ya ali madad

Mehreen1221 · Post by **Mehreen1221** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:27 am

Shiraz, my little fine wine… I’m sorry about what I said about plastic bags…my bad. I apologize for throwing someone else’s bullshit on you…I must’ve had enough of that!

Beside that, fuck the prostitution and all the other institutions…I don’t care…I just love them all…prostitution, homosexuals, lesbians, straights, bisexuals, transsexuals…it’s all the way it is supposed to be…we have only 70 or 80 or may be a hundred years to live…everything is cool…just get high and well…get high again…

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:29 pm

Shiraz, my little fine wine… I’m sorry about what I said about plastic bags…my bad. I apologize for throwing someone else’s bullshit on you…I must’ve had enough of that!

Beside that, f**k the prostitution and all the other institutions…I don’t care…I just love them all…prostitution, homosexuals, lesbians, straights, bisexuals, transsexuals…it’s all the way it is supposed to be…we have only 70 or 80 or may be a hundred years to live…everything is cool…just get high and well…get high again…

if you are kool with everything then whats the need of asking such lame questions ???

anywayz your apology is accepted

i dont support prostitutes[who sell their body for quick bucks] , homos,lesbos,bi sexuals or tranny because they lost their dignity in this life and life hereafter

ya ali madad

Mehreen1221 · Post by **Mehreen1221** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:08 pm

Well, I think it is only me and few others who are cool with them…not every one is.

Anyways, I brought up the question in mainly legal or technical context…not on the moral and religious ones….but then I figured this is not the right blog for that…

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:17 pm

Well, I think it is only me and few others who are cool with them…not every one is.

Anyways, I brought up the question in mainly legal or technical context…not on the moral and religious ones….but then I figured this is not the right blog for that…

religion supercedes all the legal/technical context created by humans

and what matters the most is the moral values .

i repeat again, this is the right blog to ask such question but asking something purposely is unethical

Mehreen1221 · Post by **Mehreen1221** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:19 am

Man, you’re pushing too much…religion is human made too…at least most organized religions I know have lost the spirituality and have become pieces of shit or are in the process of…and whose moral values are you referring to?…and no, this ain’t the right blog to debate about shit out of religious context…though, small references here and there don’t matter…

let me mention an incident here to make my point...

In a small Texas town, (Mt. Vernon) Drummond’s bar began construction on a new building to increase their business. The local Baptist church started a campaign to block the bar from opening with petitions and prayers. Work progressed right up till the week before opening when lightning struck the bar and it burned to the ground.

The church folks were rather smug in their outlook after that, until the bar owner sued the church on the grounds that the church through its congregation & prayers was ultimately responsible for the demise of his building, either through direct or indirect actions or means. The church vehemently denied all responsibility or any connection to the building’s demise in its reply to the court.

As the case made its way into court, the judge looked over the paperwork. At the hearing he commented, ‘I don’t know how I’m going to decide this, but as it appears from the paperwork, we have a bar owner who believes in the power of prayer, and an entire church congregation that does not.’

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:35 pm

Man, you’re pushing too much…religion is human made too…at least most organized religions I know have lost the spirituality and have become pieces of shit or are in the process of…and whose moral values are you referring to?…and no, this ain’t the right blog to debate about shit out of religious context…though, small references here and there don’t matter…

religion is a way by which you submit yourself to divine, and my dear it is not created by humans but god himself....the only thing which humans created is the way in which they can practise their faith

so religion = created by god and
practising religion = created by humans

religion is not a bill that has to passed in both the houses, it is perpetual

well this blog is about shia ismaili tarikah and sorry to say our madhab does not allow our brothers and sisters to be a whore,slut or a prostitute or even encourage such activities

let me mention an incident here to make my point...

In a small Texas town, (Mt. Vernon) Drummond’s bar began construction on a new building to increase their business. The local Baptist church started a campaign to block the bar from opening with petitions and prayers. Work progressed right up till the week before opening when lightning struck the bar and it burned to the ground.

The church folks were rather smug in their outlook after that, until the bar owner sued the church on the grounds that the church through its congregation & prayers was ultimately responsible for the demise of his building, either through direct or indirect actions or means. The church vehemently denied all responsibility or any connection to the building’s demise in its reply to the court.

As the case made its way into court, the judge looked over the paperwork. At the hearing he commented, ‘I don’t know how I’m going to decide this, but as it appears from the paperwork, we have a bar owner who believes in the power of prayer, and an entire church congregation that does not.’

so just because one church refused to believe in power of prayers or deviated from their statement, does that mean the whole christianity is to be blamed ????

so to say if such incident happens in one of our jamatkhana will you say ahhhh ismailism is retarded or in your language piece of s**t ????

"...and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, 'We are Christians,' because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant" (5:82).

"O you who believe! Be helpers of God -- as Jesus the son of Mary said to the Disciples, 'Who will be my helpers in (the work of) God?' Said the disciples, 'We are God's helpers!' Then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved. But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed" (61:14).

GMR · Post by **GMR** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:55 pm

Well! I will not comment that who is in favour of bad deeds (usage of drugs, prostitution, rape, adultery, theft, fraud, bribery, backbiting, deceiving one another, homosexuality, lesbians etc. etc.) or in opposition, but let me to say that views expressed by brother Shiraz are not only acceptable to the Imam of the Time and his murids (Ismailis), but also to the majority of Muslim Ummah. Religion is not a joke that everyone dare to elucidate it. It must be proved through the Holy Quran, Hadiths and Fiqah (Farameens of the Imam-e-Zaman). Bad deeds are lamented and discouraged by good humanbeings, and are even not allowed in Hindu religion (muslims consider them athiests).

Mehreen1221 · Post by **Mehreen1221** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:27 am

Religion is made by God…I just don’t understand it…just don’t get the purpose or meaning of what is said...which religion? All of them? Why? Is He crazy or just bored and playing a game…or what?

Simply, Almighty created this universe and mankind on earth and sent His messages over all this time via few men and may be women…one after another or simultaneously depending upon the logistical and geographical situations and whatnot but His message had been one, but it was this f*** mankind

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shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:15 pm

Religion is made by God…I just don’t understand it…just don’t get the purpose or meaning of what is said...which religion? All of them? Why? Is He crazy or just bored and playing a game…or what?

hez not playing any games , instead of wasting you time in bars,clubs and lame topics such as prostitution, spend sore time reading quran,waiz,hadiths and ginans

the only religion that has been there before even god created humans was ISLAM = belief in one god which we call TAWHEED , [all the angels in heaven worship allah and its not just them ...even the jinns of hell bow down in front of him because they know his might

"He is God, the one, the Self-Sufficient master. He never begot, nor was begotten. There is none comparable to Him."

the reason why we see sooo many religions today is because of us [PEOPLE] , different people have different interpretation and that led to different sects...now will you blame allah for what humans did ???

"We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam)." (Surat Al Imran; 3:84).

Those with Faith, those who are Jews, and the Christians and Sabaeans, all who have Faith in Allah and the Last Day and act rightly, will have their reward with their Lord. They will feel no fear and will know no sorrow." (Surat al-Baqara; 2:62).

" The Messenger believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believes in Allah, His angels, His Books, and His Messengers. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His Messengers." And they say: "We hear, and we obey, (we seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys." (Surat al-Baqara; 2:285).

" Call to the way of your Lord with wisdom and fair admonition, and argue with them in the kindest way. Your Lord knows best who is misguided from His way. And He knows best who are guided." (Surat an-Nahl; 16:125).

" Only argue with the People of the Book in the kindest way - except in the case of those of them who do wrong - saying, 'We have iman in what has been sent down to us and what was sent down to you. Our God and your God are one and we submit to Him." (Surat al-`Ankabut; 29:46).

Simply, Almighty created this universe and mankind on earth and sent His messages over all this time via few men and may be women…one after another or simultaneously depending upon the logistical and geographical situations and what not but His message had been one, but it was this f*** mankind

the message was one and the same [tawheed,naboowat and imamat], its just that the messengers and imams were different [jesus,ibrahim,musa,muhammad[saw's]

mankind was thrown from heaven [ remember h.adam?? ] , it was a test to see who believes in ibless and who believes in nooran allah

but iam afraid to say that you have chosen iblees and your buddy...may allah bless you and once again i hope and pray that you dont sleep around with multiple partners just like most of the westernised woman do

salam

ya ali madad

Biryani · Post by **Biryani** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:47 am

shiraz.virani,

I suppose Mehreen intended to discuss this topic in non religious way and if you think it is a lame topic then why are you here discussing it? Just let people talk who think otherwise. Beside that your tirade is way off line here. Look at the admin’s initial response on the topic and try to see it that way.

Biryani.

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:06 pm

shiraz.virani,

I suppose Mehreen intended to discuss this topic in non religious way and if you think it is a lame topic then why are you here discussing it? Just let people talk who think otherwise. Beside that your tirade is way off line here. Look at the admin’s initial response on the topic and try to see it that way.

Biryani.

i think i already clarified this when i said , asking something is perfectly fine with me but if you ask something purposely then thats unethical

and how can you have a discussion in non religious way ?? dont you listen to firmans of khudavind hazar imam where he said numerous times

" you cannot seperate your deen and duniya "

hope i answered your question

please note- there are times where you have to be strict with your fellow brothers and sisters so as to save them from commiting something which is against our tarikah

salam
ya ali madad

Biryani · Post by **Biryani** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:17 am

Personally I believe that because powerful men are "publicly" against and will always be "publicly" against prostitution. Why? Because behind these powerful men are powerful wives, and you try explaining to your wife why you think prostitution is "ok", and see where you'll be sleeping tonight. THAT, is Exactly why prostitution is illegal...

Please, don't tell my wife I wrote this...

Anyways, I googled and found several articles and jokes about why prostitution is illegal...following is an article with a little contemporary and historical perspective.

Why is prostitution illegal?

Because hookers are a nuisance, that's why. Always around when you don't want them, and never there when you do.
Prostitution isn't a felony. In most U.S. jurisdictions it's a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine and a short stretch in jail. In parts of Nevada, it isn't even that--prostitution is legal, though regulated.
Fine, you say. But why should prostitution be considered any kind of crime? The victims aren't complaining. Why should the rest of us care?
The usual explanation is that criminalization of prostitution is a product of the moralizing impulse in American politics. As with other victimless crimes such as gambling and drug use, our antiprostitution laws largely date from the Progressive era around the turn of the 20th century. This period also produced reforms such as the pure food and drugs laws and antitrust regulation.
Many Progressive leaders were educated, articulate members of the middle class that had emerged during the economic expansion following the Civil War. No longer was it necessary to accept social ills as inevitable, they felt. If we apply scientific methods and can-do attitude to our problems, we can eradicate them altogether.
In many respects the Progressive project was a great success. Today everybody is grateful that we have pure food laws and antitrust regulation. (Well, maybe Bill Gates isn't.) The legacy of the antiprostitution campaign is perhaps a little less positive.
In the 19th century prostitution, while not always legal, was tolerated in most of the world as a necessary evil. Enlightened opinion--enlightened male opinion, anyway--held that hey, boys will be boys, and men will be animals. The best we can do is regulate prostitution, including health inspections, licensing of brothels, etc.
But in English-speaking countries the regulatory impulse was countered by growing sentiment that prostitution was evil, period, and ought to be suppressed. Middle-class women played a leading role in the antiprostitution movement, arguing that prostitution threatened family life. Sympathetic journalists suggested that prostitutes were the principal carriers of venereal disease, then thought to be rampant. (Prior to the advent of effective treatment in the early 20th century, VD was certainly no trivial matter.)
The abolitionists ultimately carried the day. Before 1900 most legislation dealing with prostitution sought merely to control it. After World War I, usually considered the end of the Progressive era, the goal was to stamp it out.
Officially, that's been the aim ever since. But let's face it. Nobody really expects prostitution to go away, and it's hard to believe anyone ever did. They just don't want it in their back yards.
From time to time a few people make noises about changing U.S. prostitution laws. The best known is Margo St. James, whose hookers'-rights organization, COYOTE (Call Off Your Old Tired Ethics), surfaced in 1973. She complained that prostitution laws gave the cops an excuse to harass women--prosecution of their male customers was far less frequent. St. James and her camp attracted their share of feminist allies, who felt that a woman's right to control her body included the right to rent it out. This line of thinking has succeeded to the point where much sociological and AIDS literature has replaced the pejorative prostitute with the more PC sex worker.
Other feminists, it should be said, consider prostitution a form of "female sexual slavery," to cite the title of one well-known book. One way or another women are coerced into prostitution, the argument goes--sometimes physically, often psychologically, and if nothing else out of economic necessity. But that seems to victimize prostitutes more than the reality warrants. Suffice it to say studies of prostitution have generally found that women who become prostitutes do so voluntarily, often to support a drug habit.
It's not clear to what extent the lot of prostitutes in the U.S. differs from that of their counterparts in countries that have a supposedly more enlightened attitude. Germany reportedly has taken the regulatory approach, in which prostitutes register with the police, obtain licenses to work in specified houses or areas, submit to VD checks, and so on.
Britain has followed a third course, somewhat confusingly known as abolition. What was abolished was not prostitution but prostitution laws, after a fashion. Prostitution as such is legal in the UK. What's not legal are various nuisances associated with prostitution such as soliciting on street corners, living off "immoral earnings," and keeping a brothel. In short, prostitution is legal in theory, illegal in practice. English prostitutes complain of police harassment just as American ones do, and receive similar punishments.
So: different legal theories, same result. That's the thing about prostitution, see. Whatever may be said for the rights of prostitutes in the abstract, streetwalkers don't do much for a neighborhood's property values. Sure, in these liberated times, we all have healthy attitudes about sex, right? But even among defenders of prostitutes' rights, the fundamental reaction to the business itself remains: ick.
— Cecil Adams

Biryani · Post by **Biryani** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:38 am

To quote George Carlin:

"Another women’s issue, prostitution. I do not understand why prostitution is illegal. Why should prostitution be illegal? Selling is legal. f****is legal. Why isn’t selling f**** legal? You know, why should it be illegal to sell something that’s perfectly legal to give away? I can’t follow the logic on that at all. Of all the things you can do to a person, giving someone an orgasm is hardly the worst thing in the world."

Ah, George. He is more than missed.

You know, I’ll bet he's down there somewhere, looking up at us...

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:13 pm

this is the 2nd time iam repeating myself

"you cannot seperate you deen and duniya"

plus why would a person go and sleep with a prostitute when he has a wife ?

he gotta be a pervert i guess or a sex freak like XXX who started drinking at the age of 14 , believes sex before marriage oops correction ! sex with multiple partners is ok and who knows whatelse ...

i recently attended a wedding @ alabama and i was shocked to see this so called ismaili muslims drinking alcohol , dancing in a very awkward manner..... wife of husband A is dancing romantically will the husband of wife C and then there was this old pervert uncle who was trying to grope every single lady present in that party.

tauba nauzbillah they call themselves ismaili muslim

Biryani · Post by **Biryani** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:16 pm

Well, even though, I love Biryani…I wouldn’t wanna eat it everyday…would you?
So…though, I love my wife, I wouldn’t wanna…well…you know what I’m saying.

That’s just an old metaphorical joke…we are very faithful with each other.

Man, give the old man a break…he must be lonely and was just trying to be romantic or show his affection and emotions on the occasion…no harm is done if common sense and decency is used and if the ladies are not offended.

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:58 pm

Well, even though, I love Biryani…I wouldn’t wanna eat it everyday…would you?

So…though, I love my wife, I wouldn’t wanna…well…you know what I’m saying.

looooooool, sorry admin but couldnt control myself

my dear biryani , iam from the land of biryani[hyderabad]

who would like to eat dal-chawal if they get to eat biryani ?

biryani is made of rich zafraan rice and all other yummy spices,with tender chicken,mutton etc etc:lol:, where as there is no special ingredient in dal chawal

so as per your knowledge biryani = wife , now who wouldnt like to have biryani which is soft, delicious,tempting etc etc ????

who is that stupid to spend few bucks on DAL CHAWAL = prostitute

when his wife biryani have cooked biryani for him

???

That’s just an old metaphorical joke…we are very faithful with each other.

it just dint worked this time,

Man, give the old man a break…he must be lonely and was just trying to be romantic or show his affection and emotions on the occasion…no harm is done if common sense and decency is used and if the ladies are not offended.

he was drunk and i used the term groping, he dint even know what he was doing...i dont wanna elaborate where and how he was enjoying himself

salam

ya ali madad

Biryani · Post by **Biryani** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:56 am

But sometimes you wanna eat Biryani of different taste…don’t you? And there are plenty of variety out there, you know.

Anyways, the real joke buster is what if your wife wants to go out and eat 'Zarda' of different taste…

by the way, I am from Hyderabad too...Aminabad colony to be specific.

did you know Midway Hill Restaurant infront of the central jail? we used to own that.

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:23 pm

But sometimes you wanna eat Biryani of different taste…don’t you? And there are plenty of variety out there, you know.

Anyways, the real joke buster is what if your wife wants to go out and eat 'Zarda' of different taste…

by the way, I am from Hyderabad too...Aminabad colony to be specific. did you know Midway Hill Restaurant infront of the central jail? we used to own that.

and what if that biryani doesnt taste good or makes you sick ??? [herpes,hiv etc etc]

thats why people say " home cooked food is the best "

by the way iam from hyderabad [india] and not pakistan

Biryani · Post by **Biryani** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:56 pm

Well, I am sure you would like some of those Biryanies if not all of them…
and you can eat them with things like condoms and lubricants for protection from HIV or other STDs… you can find that easily from your local store or pharmacy in Hyderabad.

man, if everyone thinks like you do, all these hookers will be broke and hungry. have some compassion, man.

shiraz.virani · Post by **shiraz.virani** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:17 pm

man, if everyone thinks like you do, all these hookers will be broke and hungry. have some compassion, man

.

i have no compassion against those who want to live life like a whore [whether ismaili or non ismaili]

for ex: if a non ismaili muslim attends an ismaili wedding and there if he find people drinking alcohol, his first impression would be that even AGAKHAN drinks[nouzbillah]

so my dear instead of sleeping around with cheap prostitutes.....try to help our imam, please dont spoil his reputation for the sake of your own pleasure

Biryani · Post by **Biryani** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:29 pm

Anyways, the argument is valid on the matter of “legality”…may be not morally for majority and definitely is not valid religiously for all.

I was just being devil’s advocate here…I am neither into prostitution nor encouraging anyone to, either.