Abraham said, "My son, I had a vision of myself offering you in sacrifice. What is your response?" Ishmael said, "Do as you are commanded and, God willing, you will find me patient and steadfast." (Qur’an, 37:102)
In the night
of Eid Al-Adha
my beloved
soul brother
Hussein
was carried up
a dank, dark stairway
to the place of sacrifice -
the threshold
of a watered garden
as wide as the heavens.
Though his limbs
were bound and shackled,
the brown lion
did not roar
in anguish and rage,
nor was there any fear in him.
He was as docile as a lamb
resting in green pastures
for the Lord was his shepherd.
Though he loved life,
Arabs' hero
did not flinch
from the path of martyrdom –
for the sake of his beloved,
patient, suffering
homeland
he embraced it.
His surrendered heart
was girded with fortitude,
cleansed
by the waters of peace
and gifted with love.
Moments before
his neck was broken,
he greeted his creator
with the smile
I miss so much.
Allah is the protector
of those who have faith.
From the depths of darkness
he leads them forth into light. (Qur’an, 2:257)
Our Lord, pour steadfastness upon us
and let us die in devotion to you. (Qur’an, 7:126)
Alison Gundle
Leicester, UK
Eid Al-Adha
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Yes, there is a connection…kind of, more or less what someone might have with Jesus of Nazareth (PBUH) or Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (PBUH) or Ali Ibn Abu Talib...or Mahatma Gandhi or Kamal Ataturk or Metacom or of anyone to whom one regards as a ideological figure of inspiration and guidance…either in spiritual or worldly context.
the movement and the course which he followed will not end, though it will inevitably be paved with blood.
the movement and the course which he followed will not end, though it will inevitably be paved with blood.
I do not consider Saddam as my hero but an interesting titbit about his life worthy of reflection:
He was 'arrested' or rescued from his 'hiding hole' on 13th December (MHI's birthday) and died gloriously on Idd al-Adha (an occasion of immense significance to Muslims) glorifying Allah in his final moments.
The Bhagavad Gita (8: 5) states:
"And he who at the end of his time leaves his body thinking of me, he in truth comes to my being: he in truth comes unto me."
He was 'arrested' or rescued from his 'hiding hole' on 13th December (MHI's birthday) and died gloriously on Idd al-Adha (an occasion of immense significance to Muslims) glorifying Allah in his final moments.
The Bhagavad Gita (8: 5) states:
"And he who at the end of his time leaves his body thinking of me, he in truth comes to my being: he in truth comes unto me."
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I think, Hero is such a miniscule or unworthy word here…c’mon, we ain’t talkin ‘ bout sports or movies like teenagers do…
And what’s ‘MHI’ ? please, show some respect by at least typing His Holiness’ full name … God forbid, it is as calling moe to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
Anyways, though, I did not mean to politicize this thread but since you’ve mentioned, my version of the truth is following…
On March 8, 2005, United Press International (UPI) ran a short press release titled "Public Version of Saddam Capture Fiction." It received little publicity in the U.S., but some foreign news agencies did run the story.
The UPI press release consisted of quotes from an ex-U.S. Marine of Lebanese descent, Nadim Rabeh. In addition to the U.S. version of the capture date being off by two days, during an interview in Lebanon, Rabeh stated: "I was among the 20-man unit, including eight of Arab descent, who searched for Saddam for three days in the area of Dour near Tikrit, and we found him in a modest home in a small village and not in a hole as announced. We captured him after fierce resistance during which a Marine of Sudanese origin was killed".
Rabeh recounted how Saddam fired at them with a gun from the window of a room on the second floor. Then, the Marines shouted at him in Arabic, "You have to surrender. There is no point in resisting." How did we come to see the pictures of the hole and a scruffy-looking Saddam Hussein? According to Rabeh, "Later on, a military production team fabricated the film of Saddam’s capture in a hole, which was in fact a deserted well."
The former Marine’s account mixes with the rendition Saddam Hussein gave his lawyer when they had their first meeting. Saddam told him that he was captured in a friend’s house and that he was drugged and tortured for two days, hence the pictures of Saddam looking bedraggled.
All the major news networks and publications showed pictures of the hole and a beleaguered Saddam: Time Magazine, CNN News, magazines, daily newspapers, etc. You name it and they published it. But, they were all wrong. Not one publication took the time to research the story. They ran the pictures supplied by the U.S. military and parroted the lines they were given.
This was not the first time something similar has occurred. After the 1989 invasion of Panama, the U.S. allowed the press to enter Manuel Noriega’s office. He was portrayed as a sexual pervert. In the office were pictures of young boys, a picture of Hitler, red underpants and pornographic magazines.
A few months later, the first Marine to enter Noriega’s office was released from the Corps. He eventually talked to a reporter and gave his story of the encounter. He maintained that the contents of the office included only a desk, a telephone, a chair, and a typewriter.
With Saddam, the props were changed. They were made to make Saddam look like a caged animal on the run who only had the basic elements to survive. No one asked questions of what should have been obvious. For instance, how did Saddam Hussein come into possession of a can of Spam? There was absolutely no place in Iraq where Spam was sold. It contains pork, a food forbidden from a Moslem’s diet.
A few months after his capture, a picture was widely distributed that gained much publicity. It showed a bunch of U.S. soldiers standing next to an Iraqi building on which a painted illustration depicted the blowing up of the World Trade Center. The inference was that Iraqis took glee in the acts of the destruction of the World Trade Center on 9-11-2001. If one looked close, it was evident that the soldiers were standing on the base path of a disused baseball field. There were no baseball fields in Iraq. Upon closer scrutinizing, the trees were typical southeastern U.S. types that are not indigenous to Iraq.
The photo was bogus. It was filmed in the U.S., but, the harm had been done. Many news agencies had distributed the picture. Its contents inflamed U.S. citizens even more about the Iraqi people.
Many Iraqis challenged the scenario of Saddam’s capture. The U.S. administration thought that by humiliating him, the Iraqi public would discount his presence. Just the opposite occurred. On the evening of the announcement of Saddam’s capture, pro-Saddam Hussein rallies sprung up. His supporters, who, instead of looking at him as a humiliated ex-leader, showed their admiration for him because they knew the U.S. story of his capture was fabricated, Students in schools brought pictures of Saddam to class. In one instance, U.S. military personnel surrounded a Baghdad school and apprehended a few dozen 14-year-old students, whom they tortured for a few hours.
The image of a cowardly Saddam giving up without a fight did not set well with Iraqis. A retired colonel in the Iraqi army sent the following responses of the capture to Jeff Archer of San Diego Union-Tribune:
• Saddam’s inside wear was very clean, which gives the impression he was not in a hole.
• At the time they said the captured him, no dates were available, but the trees they showed in the films had fresh dates on the palm trees and this was not possible.
• My house is in the Adhamiya and I can say that I saw Saddam after they announced the fall of Baghdad. I saw him myself. He was standing on the bonnet of a car. He was giving smiles to the people around him who were encouraging him by their loyalty, which they always had.
• As I know, Saddam was on top of the battle at the airport.
• What I heard was that he was on top of many assaults against the Americans.
Iraq Screen published an article shortly before Saddam Hussein’s assassination. The author interviewed an Iraqi officer of the Republican Guard who participated in the battle for the airport in Baghdad in April 2003. The officer recalled:
While I was busy shooting with my colleagues, all of a sudden, we found Saddam Hussein with a number of his assistants inside the airport, we were really surprised because we did not expect such a thing, but Saddam went forward and took an RPG and put it on his shoulder and began to shoot by himself. We gathered around him and begged him to stay aside and leave us fighting because if we would be killed, we are common officers, but if he is killed, we would lose our leader. Saddam turned to us and said, "Look, I am no better than any one of you and this is the high time to defend our great Iraq and it would be a great honor to be killed as a martyr for the sake of Iraq."
Various sources have a totally different story from the one force-fed to us by the U.S. administration. Instead of Saddam Hussein being a coward who fled and was caught in a hole in the ground, he was now the president, who, under siege, met publicly with his people on April 9, 2003 (video of this was shown on U.S. television) after personally being involved with several battles against the invaders, and who created a network of resistance while tens of thousands of U.S. military people were looking for him.
Shortly before his execution, Saddam spoke of his days on the run with his lawyers. For nine months, he openly conducted the resistance, many times right under the noses of his would-be captors. He told of swimming in the Tigris River or using a small boat if he needed to maneuver in the area.
Most 66-year-old men would be contemplating retirement. But, Saddam Hussein lived off his wits, the land, and with comrades for nine months, all the time coordinating a resistance against illegal invaders of his country. Most men half his age would not be able to withstand the physical challenges of such a routine. It is hard to conceive how a man of his age endured more than a lifetime of hardship, torture and personal bereavement in just three-and-a –half years without losing his mental faculties or selling out to his opponents.
Unfortunately, the U.S. government is in possession of all of Iraq’s records prior to April 2003. Not one word will be mentioned that will contradict the U.S. rewriting of Iraq’s history. At best, we will have to rely on anecdotal accounts and eye witnesses. It is neither the best nor the most accurate form of history, but it’s all we have now.
what boggles my mind is the fact that how the mass publics including intellectuals and professionals are so easily fooled by lies after lies by their governments… people don’t seem to remember things and events of just few months ago… ask yourself, what pretext did they give you for this aggression? And what has turned out to be the truth? So how can you let them shove another fabrication down your throat? If we still let them…then, hell with humanity…and we deserve to be destroyed…as a lot of Americans are feeling nowadays…atleast financially…LOL.
Watch the movie ‘Wag the dog’ and you will get an idea how the world works…and don’t just believe in everything you read in the North American media… it is full of biased political propaganda and false statistics and reports generated only to serve the interests of the people on power…whether be it political, financial, social, medical or technological.
Here’s one thought that might have sustained and amused President Hussein in the final hours: An occupying power hands over a man to his enemies who taunt, mock and then execute him. Where have we heard this before? Bush and B liar should know the answer—two thousand years ago in Roman-occupied Palestine.
Jesus was sacrificed to atone for the sins of the guilty. For whom was Saddam Hussein sacrificed?
Per Mark Twain, History doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes.
And what’s ‘MHI’ ? please, show some respect by at least typing His Holiness’ full name … God forbid, it is as calling moe to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
Anyways, though, I did not mean to politicize this thread but since you’ve mentioned, my version of the truth is following…
On March 8, 2005, United Press International (UPI) ran a short press release titled "Public Version of Saddam Capture Fiction." It received little publicity in the U.S., but some foreign news agencies did run the story.
The UPI press release consisted of quotes from an ex-U.S. Marine of Lebanese descent, Nadim Rabeh. In addition to the U.S. version of the capture date being off by two days, during an interview in Lebanon, Rabeh stated: "I was among the 20-man unit, including eight of Arab descent, who searched for Saddam for three days in the area of Dour near Tikrit, and we found him in a modest home in a small village and not in a hole as announced. We captured him after fierce resistance during which a Marine of Sudanese origin was killed".
Rabeh recounted how Saddam fired at them with a gun from the window of a room on the second floor. Then, the Marines shouted at him in Arabic, "You have to surrender. There is no point in resisting." How did we come to see the pictures of the hole and a scruffy-looking Saddam Hussein? According to Rabeh, "Later on, a military production team fabricated the film of Saddam’s capture in a hole, which was in fact a deserted well."
The former Marine’s account mixes with the rendition Saddam Hussein gave his lawyer when they had their first meeting. Saddam told him that he was captured in a friend’s house and that he was drugged and tortured for two days, hence the pictures of Saddam looking bedraggled.
All the major news networks and publications showed pictures of the hole and a beleaguered Saddam: Time Magazine, CNN News, magazines, daily newspapers, etc. You name it and they published it. But, they were all wrong. Not one publication took the time to research the story. They ran the pictures supplied by the U.S. military and parroted the lines they were given.
This was not the first time something similar has occurred. After the 1989 invasion of Panama, the U.S. allowed the press to enter Manuel Noriega’s office. He was portrayed as a sexual pervert. In the office were pictures of young boys, a picture of Hitler, red underpants and pornographic magazines.
A few months later, the first Marine to enter Noriega’s office was released from the Corps. He eventually talked to a reporter and gave his story of the encounter. He maintained that the contents of the office included only a desk, a telephone, a chair, and a typewriter.
With Saddam, the props were changed. They were made to make Saddam look like a caged animal on the run who only had the basic elements to survive. No one asked questions of what should have been obvious. For instance, how did Saddam Hussein come into possession of a can of Spam? There was absolutely no place in Iraq where Spam was sold. It contains pork, a food forbidden from a Moslem’s diet.
A few months after his capture, a picture was widely distributed that gained much publicity. It showed a bunch of U.S. soldiers standing next to an Iraqi building on which a painted illustration depicted the blowing up of the World Trade Center. The inference was that Iraqis took glee in the acts of the destruction of the World Trade Center on 9-11-2001. If one looked close, it was evident that the soldiers were standing on the base path of a disused baseball field. There were no baseball fields in Iraq. Upon closer scrutinizing, the trees were typical southeastern U.S. types that are not indigenous to Iraq.
The photo was bogus. It was filmed in the U.S., but, the harm had been done. Many news agencies had distributed the picture. Its contents inflamed U.S. citizens even more about the Iraqi people.
Many Iraqis challenged the scenario of Saddam’s capture. The U.S. administration thought that by humiliating him, the Iraqi public would discount his presence. Just the opposite occurred. On the evening of the announcement of Saddam’s capture, pro-Saddam Hussein rallies sprung up. His supporters, who, instead of looking at him as a humiliated ex-leader, showed their admiration for him because they knew the U.S. story of his capture was fabricated, Students in schools brought pictures of Saddam to class. In one instance, U.S. military personnel surrounded a Baghdad school and apprehended a few dozen 14-year-old students, whom they tortured for a few hours.
The image of a cowardly Saddam giving up without a fight did not set well with Iraqis. A retired colonel in the Iraqi army sent the following responses of the capture to Jeff Archer of San Diego Union-Tribune:
• Saddam’s inside wear was very clean, which gives the impression he was not in a hole.
• At the time they said the captured him, no dates were available, but the trees they showed in the films had fresh dates on the palm trees and this was not possible.
• My house is in the Adhamiya and I can say that I saw Saddam after they announced the fall of Baghdad. I saw him myself. He was standing on the bonnet of a car. He was giving smiles to the people around him who were encouraging him by their loyalty, which they always had.
• As I know, Saddam was on top of the battle at the airport.
• What I heard was that he was on top of many assaults against the Americans.
Iraq Screen published an article shortly before Saddam Hussein’s assassination. The author interviewed an Iraqi officer of the Republican Guard who participated in the battle for the airport in Baghdad in April 2003. The officer recalled:
While I was busy shooting with my colleagues, all of a sudden, we found Saddam Hussein with a number of his assistants inside the airport, we were really surprised because we did not expect such a thing, but Saddam went forward and took an RPG and put it on his shoulder and began to shoot by himself. We gathered around him and begged him to stay aside and leave us fighting because if we would be killed, we are common officers, but if he is killed, we would lose our leader. Saddam turned to us and said, "Look, I am no better than any one of you and this is the high time to defend our great Iraq and it would be a great honor to be killed as a martyr for the sake of Iraq."
Various sources have a totally different story from the one force-fed to us by the U.S. administration. Instead of Saddam Hussein being a coward who fled and was caught in a hole in the ground, he was now the president, who, under siege, met publicly with his people on April 9, 2003 (video of this was shown on U.S. television) after personally being involved with several battles against the invaders, and who created a network of resistance while tens of thousands of U.S. military people were looking for him.
Shortly before his execution, Saddam spoke of his days on the run with his lawyers. For nine months, he openly conducted the resistance, many times right under the noses of his would-be captors. He told of swimming in the Tigris River or using a small boat if he needed to maneuver in the area.
Most 66-year-old men would be contemplating retirement. But, Saddam Hussein lived off his wits, the land, and with comrades for nine months, all the time coordinating a resistance against illegal invaders of his country. Most men half his age would not be able to withstand the physical challenges of such a routine. It is hard to conceive how a man of his age endured more than a lifetime of hardship, torture and personal bereavement in just three-and-a –half years without losing his mental faculties or selling out to his opponents.
Unfortunately, the U.S. government is in possession of all of Iraq’s records prior to April 2003. Not one word will be mentioned that will contradict the U.S. rewriting of Iraq’s history. At best, we will have to rely on anecdotal accounts and eye witnesses. It is neither the best nor the most accurate form of history, but it’s all we have now.
what boggles my mind is the fact that how the mass publics including intellectuals and professionals are so easily fooled by lies after lies by their governments… people don’t seem to remember things and events of just few months ago… ask yourself, what pretext did they give you for this aggression? And what has turned out to be the truth? So how can you let them shove another fabrication down your throat? If we still let them…then, hell with humanity…and we deserve to be destroyed…as a lot of Americans are feeling nowadays…atleast financially…LOL.
Watch the movie ‘Wag the dog’ and you will get an idea how the world works…and don’t just believe in everything you read in the North American media… it is full of biased political propaganda and false statistics and reports generated only to serve the interests of the people on power…whether be it political, financial, social, medical or technological.
Here’s one thought that might have sustained and amused President Hussein in the final hours: An occupying power hands over a man to his enemies who taunt, mock and then execute him. Where have we heard this before? Bush and B liar should know the answer—two thousand years ago in Roman-occupied Palestine.
Jesus was sacrificed to atone for the sins of the guilty. For whom was Saddam Hussein sacrificed?
Per Mark Twain, History doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes.
Hero is a worthy word in any context. You will find political, military, socio-economic heros etc. It is not only about sports or movies...Mehreen1221 wrote:I think, Hero is such a miniscule or unworthy word here…c’mon, we ain’t talkin ‘ bout sports or movies like teenagers do…
And what’s ‘MHI’ ? please, show some respect by at least typing His Holiness’ full name … God forbid, it is as calling moe to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
MHI is an accepted, respected and well understood term in this forum. You will find it quoted all over by everyone here. No disrespect is intended.
The rest of your account is interesting.
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Well, it is one’s personal preference; Hero sounded just so naïve to me…
And I’m sure there is no disrespect intended, but sometimes we have to be sort of more classic and genuine… my fingers ain’t worth being if don’t feel like typing His glorious name in the right etiquette...
Anyways, one last political thought...
Abdel Bari Atwan, the editor of Al-Quds of al-Arabi assessed the situation in a logical manner…he told to Aljazeera News:
Arab public opinion wonders who deserves to be tried and executed: Saddam Hussein, who preserved the unity of Iraq for decades, its Arab and Islamic entity and the coexistence of its different communities such as Shi’ites, Sunnis and Kurds...or those who engulfed the country in this bloody civil war?
And I’m sure there is no disrespect intended, but sometimes we have to be sort of more classic and genuine… my fingers ain’t worth being if don’t feel like typing His glorious name in the right etiquette...
Anyways, one last political thought...
Abdel Bari Atwan, the editor of Al-Quds of al-Arabi assessed the situation in a logical manner…he told to Aljazeera News:
Arab public opinion wonders who deserves to be tried and executed: Saddam Hussein, who preserved the unity of Iraq for decades, its Arab and Islamic entity and the coexistence of its different communities such as Shi’ites, Sunnis and Kurds...or those who engulfed the country in this bloody civil war?
Come on guys, this has nothing to do with Idd al Adha nor with The title of the thread, this is not about ceremonies, customs, even not tradition so why are you discussing this issue in the wrong thread, go to current issues!
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