Confusion Between Yugs

goldfaizi · Post by **goldfaizi** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:11 pm

YA ALI MADAD,

As well as we know that many of our brothers thinks that we are in kalyug, but if we see our history we can easily find out that we are in Dwapuryug. Time of Prophet Mohammad PBUH was kalyug if i am not wrong which had been past 1500 years ago. Kalyug means darkage. I am confused. I heard waez of different missionaries they have been saying that we are in kalyug. Kindly someone tell me in which yug we are?

Thanks.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:24 am

You say we can easily find out in our history! can you tell me which history you are refering? have you read this in any history book? have you heard this in any waez? Please let me know.
In our Ismaili Ginans, Granths it qouted many time this is kaljug and this the last yug, there is no more jug after this one,You can also listen this in waez of Rai Abu Ali he also mentioning that this is Kaljug. Not only this but the Hindu, Budhist, Jain and many other religions also beleive this and it is also quoted in their holy books.

goldfaizi wrote:YA ALI MADAD,

As well as we know that many of our brothers thinks that we are in kalyug, but if we see our history we can easily find out that we are in Dwapuryug. Time of Prophet Mohammad PBUH was kalyug if i am not wrong which had been past 1500 years ago. Kalyug means darkage. I am confused. I heard waez of different missionaries they have been saying that we are in kalyug. Kindly someone tell me in which yug we are?

Thanks.

TheMaw · Post by **TheMaw** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:57 pm

After the Kal Jug comes the Sach Jug, the age of truth, the Golden Age.

goldfaizi · Post by **goldfaizi** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:37 pm

Brother let me tell you one thing. Kalyug means darkage. Dwapur yug means copper age. Our history i.e Time of Prophet Mohammad PBUH was kalyug because it was dark age. Kalyug has been over in 1700 BC. We are in dwapur yug. Actually i am confused because Abu Ali Missionary in his waez always said that we are in Kalyug. I want to clarify this confusion.

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:16 pm

goldfaizi wrote:Brother let me tell you one thing. Kalyug means darkage. Dwapur yug means copper age. Our history i.e Time of Prophet Mohammad PBUH was kalyug because it was dark age. Kalyug has been over in 1700 BC. We are in dwapur yug. Actually i am confused because Abu Ali Missionary in his waez always said that we are in Kalyug. I want to clarify this confusion.

Ginans were composed during the Kaljug, however they are meant to guide us through all ages. We are not going to remain in Kaljug forever. Abu Aly Missionary was a humanbeing and had his point of view. There is no clear guidance of the Imam on this matter, so we have to apply our intellects considering all sources of information at hand....

TheMaw · Post by **TheMaw** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:18 pm

Goldfaizi, Dwaparyuga comes *after* the Satyayuga, and Kaliyuga is last of the four.

After the fourth age, the first one starts. So after Kaliyuga (kaaljuug) comes Satyayuga (saachjuug), then two more, then Kaliyuga again...

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:58 pm

TheMaw wrote:Goldfaizi, Dwaparyuga comes *after* the Satyayuga, and Kaliyuga is last of the four.

After the fourth age, the first one starts. So after Kaliyuga (kaaljuug) comes Satyayuga (saachjuug), then two more, then Kaliyuga again...

There is an article on the progression of Yugas at:

Pre-Adam --> time period of jugs and avatar

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... pic&t=4616

You may want to go there....

goldfaizi · Post by **goldfaizi** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:29 pm

Brother Aga Khani and The Maw, Kindly follow this link below:

http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/20332

This is the Chart of history of evolution. Kali yug means dark age as i said before. Dwapur yug means copper age in which are right now. At the times of Prophet Mohammad PBUH there were 97.5 % sins in the world. if we compare present with the past 1500 years ago, There would be 50 % sins now a days all over the world. Everyone knows that There is GOD except Communist. Now our world is moving in ascending order i.e :

Satya Yuga - Descending ( 11,501 B.C. – 6,701 B.C.) 4800 years
Treta Yuga - Descending (6,701 B.C. – 3,101 B.C.) 3600 years
Dwapara Yuga - Descending ( 3,101 B.C. – 701 B.C.) 2400 years
Kali Yuga - Descending (701BC – 499A.D.) 1200 years
Kali Yuga – Ascending (500 A.D. – 1700 A.D.) 1200 years
Dwapara Yuga – Ascending ( 1700 A.D. – 2009) 309 years

Daint Kalinga is not a person it is a force, Those people who dont believe in GOD, They are evil. Our ginans were composed by our pirs many years ago.

aaj kaljug maa(n)he maattee naare ghatt shaahnaa maatteenaare paatt
maatteene see(n)ghaasanne betthaa shree nakala(n)kee raay
gur nabee muhamadnee aarteene chamar ddhallaay
kesar ne ka(n)kunaa shaahne chhaa(n)tannaa chha(n)taay
peer sadardeen nee aartee ne chamar ddhallaay
kesar ne ka(n)kunaa shaahne chhaa(n)tannaa chha(n)taay........4

Today in the present age, the Path is of clay and the Lord's stage ia also of clay.
Lord Hazarat Aly (Shree Naklank) is seated on the throne of clay as the king.
Through the supplications of the Guide Prophet Muhammed, the place was
decorated and made glorious. Sprinkle the Lord with yellowish and golden particles.
The place was made glorious through the supplications of Peer Sadardeen. Sprinle..

This part of Ashajee is clearly stating that It is not Kalyug. Hazrat Ali Alee Salam had been manifest 1500 years ago. He had killed Daiet Kalinga i.e Evil Forces who had captured all over the world with their powers.

I believe that it is not easy to understand it. Until and unless Imam of the time will not tell us about it No one can say what is the truth...!! This is all i have learned.

Thanks.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:00 pm

Alwaez Rai abu Ali was human beings but he was great researcher of ginans, he spent almost all his life in searching the meaning of ginans,
his interpretation of ginan are excellence and very acurate. We should salute him and his efforts.

kmaherali wrote:
goldfaizi wrote:Brother let me tell you one thing. Kalyug means darkage. Dwapur yug means copper age. Our history i.e Time of Prophet Mohammad PBUH was kalyug because it was dark age. Kalyug has been over in 1700 BC. We are in dwapur yug. Actually i am confused because Abu Ali Missionary in his waez always said that we are in Kalyug. I want to clarify this confusion.
Ginans were composed during the Kaljug, however they are meant to guide us through all ages. We are not going to remain in Kaljug forever. Abu Aly Missionary was a humanbeing and had his point of view. There is no clear guidance of the Imam on this matter, so we have to apply our intellects considering all sources of information at hand....

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:54 pm

agakhani wrote:Alwaez Rai abu Ali was human beings but he was great researcher of ginans, he spent almost all his life in searching the meaning of ginans,
his interpretation of ginan are excellence and very acurate. We should salute him and his efforts.

Yes and at the same time realize that he was not an infallible authority like a Pir...

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:18 pm

goldfaizi wrote:Brother Aga Khani and The Maw, Kindly follow this link below:

http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/20332

This is the Chart of history of evolution. Kali yug means dark age as i said before. Dwapur yug means copper age in which are right now. At the times of Prophet Mohammad PBUH there were 97.5 % sins in the world. if we compare present with the past 1500 years ago, There would be 50 % sins now a days all over the world. Everyone knows that There is GOD except Communist. Now our world is moving in ascending order i.e :

Satya Yuga - Descending ( 11,501 B.C. – 6,701 B.C.) 4800 years
Treta Yuga - Descending (6,701 B.C. – 3,101 B.C.) 3600 years
Dwapara Yuga - Descending ( 3,101 B.C. – 701 B.C.) 2400 years
Kali Yuga - Descending (701BC – 499A.D.) 1200 years
Kali Yuga – Ascending (500 A.D. – 1700 A.D.) 1200 years
Dwapara Yuga – Ascending ( 1700 A.D. – 2009) 309 years

Daint Kalinga is not a person it is a force, Those people who dont believe in GOD, They are evil. Our ginans were composed by our pirs many years ago.

aaj kaljug maa(n)he maattee naare ghatt shaahnaa maatteenaare paatt
maatteene see(n)ghaasanne betthaa shree nakala(n)kee raay
gur nabee muhamadnee aarteene chamar ddhallaay
kesar ne ka(n)kunaa shaahne chhaa(n)tannaa chha(n)taay
peer sadardeen nee aartee ne chamar ddhallaay
kesar ne ka(n)kunaa shaahne chhaa(n)tannaa chha(n)taay........4

Today in the present age, the Path is of clay and the Lord's stage ia also of clay.
Lord Hazarat Aly (Shree Naklank) is seated on the throne of clay as the king.
Through the supplications of the Guide Prophet Muhammed, the place was
decorated and made glorious. Sprinkle the Lord with yellowish and golden particles.
The place was made glorious through the supplications of Peer Sadardeen. Sprinle..

This part of Ashajee is clearly stating that It is not Kalyug. Hazrat Ali Alee Salam had been manifest 1500 years ago. He had killed Daiet Kalinga i.e Evil Forces who had captured all over the world with their powers.

I believe that it is not easy to understand it. Until and unless Imam of the time will not tell us about it No one can say what is the truth...!! This is all i have learned.

Thanks.

This not a part of Aashaji. Also Karim Hazir Imam is "Ali Avtar" so the time of Ali avtaar or tenth Naklanki avtar is not over yet.

goldfaizi · Post by **goldfaizi** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:37 am

Thanks for correcting me.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:08 am

You are welcome.

You have mentioned in your post " There would be 50 % sins now a days all over the world " Can you share with us how can we say that there are 50 % sins at present.
I dont think so as after Prophet Muhammad the dark age was not over. Nowadays we can see many crimes in our societies. Crimes are not decreasing but they are increasing. Also, there are predictions in hadiths like "Prejudice and killing will increase in My Ummah after me." Anas bin Malik said "Darkness prevailed over every thing after the death of Holy Prophet. We had not yet finished his burial and we found our hearts were unknown to each other."
The evens that occured after the death of Prophet like people becoming enemies of Imam and Ahl-e-bayt shows that a lot of sins were there at that time too. So I don't agree that now sins have reduced to 50 percent whereas earlier they were 97.5 %

goldfaizi · Post by **goldfaizi** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:33 am

You have mentioned in your post " There would be 50 % sins now a days all over the world " Can you share with us how can we say that there are 50 % sins at present.
I dont think so as after Prophet Muhammad the dark age was not over. Nowadays we can see many crimes in our societies. Crimes are not decreasing but they are increasing. Also, there are predictions in hadiths like "Prejudice and killing will increase in My Ummah after me." Anas bin Malik said "Darkness prevailed over every thing after the death of Holy Prophet. We had not yet finished his burial and we found our hearts were unknown to each other."
The evens that occured after the death of Prophet like people becoming enemies of Imam and Ahl-e-bayt shows that a lot of sins were there at that time too. So I don't agree that now sins have reduced to 50 percent whereas earlier they were 97.5 %

Brother..!! I said that if you compare our history atleast we can point out that before our last prophet there was no such concept of GOD. Everyone was unknown about the real GOD. I am not saying that there are less sins now a days. There are huge sins by people doing now a days like murder, killing people, Theif etc. I said that i have learned that we are in Dwapur Yug. Its just my point of view. I am little bit confused.

You tell me brother are we still in Kalyug? According to Islamic calender its 1429 AD i guess. Which means that we are in Kalyug. Kalyug will over in 1700 AD. What do u say about it?[/quote]

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:52 pm

Sins can be at many levels; we can have sins at the level of thinking and intention and we can have sins as expressed in action. I think with the globalization and proliferation of information and the openness of society today, the sins that were ‘hidden’ are becoming more apparent and hence there is a perception that there are more sins today than in the past.

Regardless of the degree, sins and evil have existed through all ages resulting in the advent of avatars to bring about transformations…..

What we are witnessing is the rapid acceleration of knowledge and the capacity of man to understand creation and God. This is a sign that we are advancing towards enlightened ages of Dwapura Yuga, Treta Yuga and Karta Yuga and not regressing in the dark ages.

If you consider yourself to be in the Dwapur Yuga, then you will prepare yourself for the enlightened age; on the other hand if you think you are in the dark age of Kali Yuga, you may get complacent about improving your intellectual capacity. It does influence your outlook.

goldfaizi · Post by **goldfaizi** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:09 am

You are right Kmaherali. I agree with you. We are in dwapur yug. As i said that it is also known as copper age. Actually i was talking about those sins which people were doing 1500 years ago like:

1. There was no such concept of oneness of GOD.
2. There was no right for poor people.
3. There was no fraternity
4. There was no Equality and Justice.

Above mentioned sins are reduced now a days. First sins i.e Not to believe in oneness of GOD is shirk or Gunnah-e-Kabira. Well brother i just want to tell you that there is some difference of sins as compare with before i.e Now a days everything is opened and turned into action. I had written before that we are in Dwapur Yug and now i am confirmed that we are in Dwapur Yug. We are moving towards Enlightenment Age. Our Ginans were written by our holy Pirs 900 years ago when people we living in DARK age i.e Kalyug. Kmaherali you can see that our brothers who visits this website or forum and put their comments, many of them are also confused. I have seen it in our society. Some one is giving different opinion where someone gives another. We need to think in positive and lets work very hard according to the farman of our beloved Maula Shah Karim Hazar Imam. I had raised this question because i was trying to clear this confusion. Our Imam knows what is right and what is the truth.

Thanks.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:59 pm

goldfaizi wrote:You are right Kmaherali. I agree with you. We are in dwapur yug. As i said that it is also known as copper age. Actually i was talking about those sins which people were doing 1500 years ago like:

1. There was no such concept of oneness of GOD.
2. There was no right for poor people.
3. There was no fraternity
4. There was no Equality and Justice.

Above mentioned sins are reduced now a days. First sins i.e Not to believe in oneness of GOD is shirk or Gunnah-e-Kabira. Well brother i just want to tell you that there is some difference of sins as compare with before i.e Now a days everything is opened and turned into action. I had written before that we are in Dwapur Yug and now i am confirmed that we are in Dwapur Yug. We are moving towards Enlightenment Age. Our Ginans were written by our holy Pirs 900 years ago when people we living in DARK age i.e Kalyug. Kmaherali you can see that our brothers who visits this website or forum and put their comments, many of them are also confused. I have seen it in our society. Some one is giving different opinion where someone gives another. We need to think in positive and lets work very hard according to the farman of our beloved Maula Shah Karim Hazar Imam. I had raised this question because i was trying to clear this confusion. Our Imam knows what is right and what is the truth.

Thanks.

As for Sins you have mentioned I don't agree.
Sins are in no way reduced but rather increased. Before Prophet Muhammad arabs used to believe in different gods but there were christian unitarians who believed in one God. You have mentioned there were no human rights, fraternity etc same is the case now. We may thing people of Arabia were so bad that in some tribes when girls were born, they were burried alive. Same thing was done by "muslims" in Balochistan, Pakistan last year. At some places in India, Muslims also take part in idol worship. Whatever sins you can think existed that time, do exist in current times also.
If you think Ginans were composed in Kalyug where there were more sins_then if you look in history during bhakti movement and in prepartition India there was tolerance and peace much more then now, when people have become more narrowminded and have less tolerance. In contemporary world, many people are killed in name of religion. Yesterday, 17 year old girl was publicly whipped in Pakistan by Taliban. Where is the justice? Those who are involved in this crime calls it islamic justice. If you see the predictions given in book of different religions it is mentioned that sins will increase. In Ginans also there are many predictions like places of worship will become places of sins, there will be more earth quakes etc.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:08 pm

I do not agree that world 900 years back was in dark age and now it is no more in dark age. The signs of kalyug as given in different scriptures can be observed. The sins will be increased in "ghor kalyug"
Signs of Kalyugs are not a to horrify and to think in negative sense but we can take precautions and always pray Mowla to keep our imaan strong.

Btw Karim has mentioned some good points about his opinion on theory of kalyug under this topic and some other topics. I respect his opinion and point of views on this issue. This topic has beeen discussed previously in Pre Adam section. If you want, you may read more details there.

st0necol · Post by **st0necol** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:00 am

To All

Please read

http://www.ismaili.net/granths/budheng.html

Budd Avatar

Read all 503 verses and i hope your confusions will go.

goldfaizi · Post by **goldfaizi** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:02 am

I agree with you Star Munir. I had given a link of evolution chart. In which everything is mentioned about every Yug. Check this chart again brother and let me know now what do you think?
In Kalyug it is mentioned in Ginan that Maula Ali will manifest and he will kill daet kalinga. According to this chart Maula Ali had been manifested. Prophet Mohammad PBUH was with him too. Check this evolution chart and give me your suggestion brother:

http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/20332

goldfaizi · Post by **goldfaizi** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:25 am

In Ginan Anand Akharo it is also mentioned that in kalyug 12 crores souls will be with Pir Sadarddin and he will help them to get salvation. You know that Pir Sadarddin borned many years ago.
I know that every sins in fully opened now a days. It is happening due to media, money, music etc. In kalyug thousands of musical instruments will be playing as mentioned in ginans. Now there are thousands of musical instruments in current world. There are some key points which clearly says that we are in Dwuapur Yug and somewhere it is mentioned that we are still in kalyug. I just want to pray to Maula that he give us strength of siratul mustaqeem.

st0necol · Post by **st0necol** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:35 pm

goldfaizi

Read Budh Avatar. You would be surprised really. I was in awe when I read it completely.

and don't worry. We all struggle for it.

I don't know the yug after Kalyug but the time after 100-125 years will be of peace. Every invention would be vanished. In Waiz of Abu Aly Sir I heard that in that time there will be no crime and the lion will walk with cow and will not eat it.

st0necol · Post by **st0necol** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:01 pm

I wonder whether you're confusing the name of Prophet Muhammad and Hazrat Ali with the physical personalities.

Prophet Muhammad and Hazrat Ali were born 1400-1500 years ago but their Noor has continued to bless us and guide us till Qayamat. We say that light has passed on from Hazrat Ali to our current Imam. That Noor is of Hazrat Ali whom we say Shah and The noor of Muhammad has been passed on to the Pirs. Shah Pir. With every Imam there has been a Pir present. Today Mawlana Shah Karim Al-Hussaini Hazar Imam is our Imam as well as Pir.

You might have heard the famous hadith of Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) that the whole universe has been created from my Noor. (I am sorry I don't know word to word). Every Prophet had the noor of Prophet Muhammad.

goldfaizi · Post by **goldfaizi** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 4:01 pm

Dear brother Stonecol,

I am an ismaili Alhamdulillah and i know that Noor of Maula Murtaza Ali is present in our present imam. I am not confused in personality of our Prophet and Maula Ali. I am just confused with yugs. Read my previous post brother what i had written. Kmeherali said that we are in Dwapur yug where star munir is saying we are in Kalyug. Now you tell me brother who is right

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:25 pm

The matter is not who is right or wrong but difference of opinions. We are currently in Kalyug, it is the idea accepted by many people. K.maherali has his opinion with logical reasoning. As for evolution chart, it is quite informative and explains avtaar and evil existing in different ages but the indicated years in chart may not be correct. Karim has written his views on years mentioned in evolution chart in topic "timeperiod of jugs and avtar" in Pre Adam section of the forum (see the last post). As you said "In Kalyug it is mentioned in Ginan that Maula Ali will manifest and he will kill daet kalinga. According to this chart Maula Ali had been manifested. Prophet Mohammad PBUH was with him too."
Its true that Mowla Ali has manifested but see it is written in future tense that "Mowla Ali will kill daet Kalinga" it is not written that He had killed Kalinga. Every Imam is Mowla Ali.

goldfaizi · Post by **goldfaizi** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:54 am

Well brother Star Munir. I accept that we are in kalyug. Mostly people says that we are kalyug. Now we have to wait and watch what is going to be happen.

Goldfaizi.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:17 am

After reading the above discussion, studing the charts given in this forum, looking the time frame, reading the interpretation of some Ismaili.net readers, I read some Ginans including Budh Avatar, read some books from Hindu, Budhist and other religions which I had, also listened some important waez on Kalyug by our scholar waezins. My own interpretation is that, this is Kalyug. Some readers may not agree with my belief but I rather go with and accept the beliefs and interpreations of most scholars, waezeens, scriptures, Puran, Vedas and holy books of all religions mentioned above than few readers interpretation from this website.

goldfaizi · Post by **goldfaizi** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:27 pm

I think Evolution chart is not correct. There are some mistakes in it. Main question is :

If it is not kalyug then why there are too many sins by people now a days? Atleast we are sure that there are more sins now a days as compare to 300 years ago. Kmaherali in one of your post you had written that its 306 Years of Dwapur yug now. You had posted it in 2006. If its Dwapur Yug then there must be 50 % sins. It is true that Pir sadarddin will help 1.2 billion souls to get salvation written in Anand Akharo. Pir Sadarddin had been passed away many years ago. Right now our Imam is pir as well. Who knows what is going to be happen in future? Except our beloved Maula bapa.

I think Abu Ali Missionary is 100 % correct. We are in kalyug. China is developing day by day. Right now China has 2 million army. One day when china would have 6.4 million army then those will be last days when there will be battle between momins and daiet kalinga. According to me Daiet kalinga would be a person who would be the president of China in future because on his order everything will happen. He will be the most powerful person of the world.

In this Ginan everything is clear:

i.e GURNARTHEE BHULAA TAASU(N) VAAD NA KEEJEJEE BY PEER SHAMS

ejee gurnarthee bhulaa taa(n)su, vaad na keejejee
te avarko jeev ddolaavejee...................................1

Do not argue with the ones who have strayed away from the Guide and the Master("Gurnar"). They shake the souls of others(with doubt).

ejee gurnarthee bhulaa te to mahaa paapee kaheeyejee
gur veenaa jeevddo na chhuttejee.............................2

The ones who have strayed away from the Guide and the Master, are the greatest sinners. Without the Guide, the soul does not get salvation.

ejee aradh aasann dait puraveene betthaajee
sheshttee saghallee namaavejee...............................3

The devil is established being seated in half a posture(otherside of the throne), and forces the entire creation to bow(to him).

ejee chaalees laakh dait kaalee(n)gaanaa chelaajee
neet neet kalaa jagaayejee...................................4

There are forty lakh(four million) disciples of the evil demon. They assert their strength every day.

ejee velu mataree dait an upaavshejee
ananaa parab chalaavshejee..................................5

By reciting a word over a type of creeper, the evil demon will create food. He will operate free supply lines of this food.(He will distribute this food in an abundant manner)

ejee paannee mataree ne dait ghrat upaavshejee
ghrat naa parab chalaavshejee................................6

By reciting a word over water the evil demon will create ghee. He will operate free supply lines of this ghee. (He will make this ghee available abundantly).

ejee gaaro matareene dait golla upaavshejee
tyaa(n) gollanaa parab chalaavshejee.........................7

By reciting a word over mud the evil demon will create molasses. There he will distribute this molasses in an abundunt manner.

ejee paan mataree ne dait popatt paddhaavshejee
tene kaalee(n)gaanu(n) naam bhannaavshejee...................8

By reciting a word over a type of leaf the evil demon will cause it to recite like a parrot. He will teach it the name(message) of the devil. [phenomena of records-pop music]

ejee kaatthnaa ghoddaane dait khaann khavraavshejee
evaa chen chalaavshejee......................................9

The evil demon will feed the beasts(horses) of the neighbourhood with sugar. Such will be the wonders performed by him.

ejee muaa maannas dait kaalee(n)go jeevaaddshejee
te kal maa(n)he maai baap dekhaaddshejee....................10

The evil demon will bring to life dead men. In this age he will reveal the mother and father.

ejee meghaa ddamar dait chhatr ddhallaayshejee
ttaaddhaa ttaddhaa vaahaa varsaavshejee.....................11

The evil demon will create shelters from rain and thunderstorms. He will feel the atmosphere with cold air.

ejee traa(m)beeye rottee dait kaalee(n)go vechaavshejee
sonaa more saaheb raajo karshejee...........................12

The evil demon will trade food for copper. My kingly Lord will convert it into a gold coin.

ejee veekhaddee vellaa maa(n)he deel tthor na raheshejee
saamee raajo raakhshe tenee raheshejee......................13

In this difficult period the hearts will not remain steady. Only the ones under the protection of the Lord will remain steady.

ejee geenaan mahaaras peer shamsh boleeyaa jee
evaa evaa chen chalaavshejee................................14

This hymn which is has great nector(water of life) is recited by Peer Shams. Such will be the wonders and plays performed by the evil demons(to lure you away from the Path).

Music is one of the biggest problem which is destroying faith of people. It was a day when people took tasbi of ALLAH, MOHAMMAD AND ALI all the time many years ago. I mean to say that Music has captured mind of people.

Artificial butter is being made by water. Sugar is being made from mud. We just need to see that what is going on and we have to compare it with ginans. Peer Shams had told this Ginan many years ago to guide us. It is true that many of our brothers and sisters are leaving Ismailism because they are not aware with the essence of our religion. Ismailism is Gold for us. We can't even survive without it. These are reviewing us that its kalyug. I have posted this ginan again because i want to make it clear that it is kalyug.

In one of the Ginan i had read that Angel Izrahil said that i will come 10 times in this world. When last time i will come i will take Quran with me. Other 9 things are Love, Respect, Faith etc. In which these things are already not following by many of us. Somewhere a son is fighting with his father, someone is changing his/her caste due to lack of faith. Childrens are not giving respect to their parents. These all are winds of Kalyug. Make me correct if i would wrong.

Goldfaizi.

st0necol · Post by **st0necol** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:04 am

Goldfaizi

please provide me the link of this ginan ? or the name

goldfaizi · Post by **goldfaizi** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:34 am

I have posted one ginan i.e given below:

http://www.ismaili.net/granths/040899/18.html

Another Ginan in which Peer is saying that Angel Izrahil will come in this world 10 times after Prophet Mohammad PBUH. I think its Momin Chetamni. Kindly check it and let me know too.

www.ismaili.net

Confusion Between Yugs

Confusion Between Yugs

Re: Confusion Between Yugs

Re: Confusion Between Yugs

Abu Ali was reasearcher,

Re: Abu Ali was reasearcher,

This is Kalyug brothers.