Why today we see so much poverty? where at the other end rich people are getting more rich.
Why there are so many poor people? Why they don't have sufficient food? GOD can give them sufficient food atleast if not the money to get lost into this material world. Mowla Ali is the giver of Rozi and whoever asks him with pure heart, he gives them. Then why when in so many poor countries, people are dying of hunger? Yet they're strong of their faith.
Is it because their souls in the past were sinful and they're getting their punishment now? Or what? & Those who are rich today are rich because their souls were better in the past?
I want the answer.
Difference b/w Poor & Rich.
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Re: Difference b/w Poor & Rich.
On one side you say Mowla says “Not to involve too much in the material aspects of this world”. And on other side you’re asking why there is a difference in Material World?st0necol wrote:Why today we see so much poverty? where at the other end rich people are getting more rich.
Why there are so many poor people? Why they don't have sufficient food? GOD can give them sufficient food atleast if not the money to get lost into this material world. Mowla Ali is the giver of Rozi and whoever asks him with pure heart, he gives them. Then why when in so many poor countries, people are dying of hunger? Yet they're strong of their faith.
Is it because their souls in the past were sinful and they're getting their punishment now? Or what? & Those who are rich today are rich because their souls were better in the past?
I want the answer.
ISMS said “Allah loves us 100 times more than a mother loves her child” (someone can help me here with the farman of ISMS), I don’t think a mother can punish her child so how can Allah who loves us more than a mother will punish us.st0necol wrote:Well, today I heard the farman made by MHI in East Africa on 23rd August, 2007.
Mowla said though I don't remember it exactly but he did repeat the same thing which he has also said on other occasions To keep the Tasbih with you, he repeats keep the Tasbih with you, Take the name of Allah, Hazrat Ali or Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him). And attend Jamatkhana regularly. And not to involve too much in the material aspects of this world.
Allah has divide this world in different colours and wants each colour to do justice with other. It’s simply a test but In general ppl get involved in Material world and forget Allah message, in general Rich forget Allah and disrespect poor by not sharing what has been given to them by the mercy of Allah, and poor instead of believing in Allah, forget Allah and start believing in material world by try to become rich unethically.
As far as Mowla Ali giving Roze, a person asking roze don’t asked material Roze but asks spiritual Roze because materail roze will help in this world and spritaul roze will help him in the other world, because rich n poor are restricted to this world in other only Allah’s blessing, Allah’s rahmat, and our Deeds count. I think a person is not rich if he has 100 billions of euros in his bank but must have a heart to spend 100 billions for development of Society.
If Allah has blessed you with a colour try to share it with one who hasn’t got this blessing may be you can bridge the gap!
Zubair Mahamood
Surely there are many poor who try to earn by wrong ways but there are also few who have for their lives earned honestly and still they can't improve their quality of life, can't pay fees for the better education.
When he said not to involve too much!! that means according to me, keep a balance b/w Deen and Duniya. For Duniya, never leave Deen. He has never told us to leave Duniya for Deen too. Earn honestly and you've every right to fulfill your needs but only if they're fulfilled with honest earning.
Mowla says, Spend how much you want to spend on your own self and the rest share with the less-fortunate.
Many in our community, I feel proud to say that those who are fortunate, keep helping the less-fortunate ones without saying or showing it to anyone. This thing is less among other communities.
But my question is, why those people who are strong of their faith, never leave their ethics and earn their living honestly. Why they still cannot fulfill their hunger? Why can't they give their children proper education?.
Hazar Imam himself is building more and more institutions to eliminate poverty, he's creating opportunities for the people to rely on their selves rather than constantly relying on others. For once, he gives them the support to stand on their feet and the rest in Batini world, he showers the blessing of Rozi on him.
See Africa and in India too, where people are dying of hunger and quality of life is worse, Are they suffering from their past mistakes?
my question is only this.
Were those people who are very poor and desperately searching for food and water to live even if they get it once a day, Were those people in their past eras and Yugs were very rich? And cruel and didn't share with others and treated the less-fortunate ones at that time badly? This is the reason why today those people suffer?
And the last confusion.
Why Mowla creates institutions and help out people in Zahiri way where he can help those people in Batini way and with just a blink of the eye, the problems of those people will get easier. I mean if one is destined to be poor, no matter how much you help, if Mowla is not pleased with him, any help won't reach to him. He's surely setting example for the other rich people how to spend their excessive treasures in the better way, but still why doesnt many do it?
Sorry but my base is weak, I am trying to build a solid-base and then move forward.
When he said not to involve too much!! that means according to me, keep a balance b/w Deen and Duniya. For Duniya, never leave Deen. He has never told us to leave Duniya for Deen too. Earn honestly and you've every right to fulfill your needs but only if they're fulfilled with honest earning.
Mowla says, Spend how much you want to spend on your own self and the rest share with the less-fortunate.
Many in our community, I feel proud to say that those who are fortunate, keep helping the less-fortunate ones without saying or showing it to anyone. This thing is less among other communities.
But my question is, why those people who are strong of their faith, never leave their ethics and earn their living honestly. Why they still cannot fulfill their hunger? Why can't they give their children proper education?.
Hazar Imam himself is building more and more institutions to eliminate poverty, he's creating opportunities for the people to rely on their selves rather than constantly relying on others. For once, he gives them the support to stand on their feet and the rest in Batini world, he showers the blessing of Rozi on him.
See Africa and in India too, where people are dying of hunger and quality of life is worse, Are they suffering from their past mistakes?
my question is only this.
Were those people who are very poor and desperately searching for food and water to live even if they get it once a day, Were those people in their past eras and Yugs were very rich? And cruel and didn't share with others and treated the less-fortunate ones at that time badly? This is the reason why today those people suffer?
And the last confusion.
Why Mowla creates institutions and help out people in Zahiri way where he can help those people in Batini way and with just a blink of the eye, the problems of those people will get easier. I mean if one is destined to be poor, no matter how much you help, if Mowla is not pleased with him, any help won't reach to him. He's surely setting example for the other rich people how to spend their excessive treasures in the better way, but still why doesnt many do it?
Sorry but my base is weak, I am trying to build a solid-base and then move forward.
Zubair_Mehmood
If we fulfill our hunger and just do some minimum things to live our life happily, that doesnt mean that we're too much involved in the material world. Every human needs to do it, and if it means that by asking for hunger and a better quality of life a person is involved too much in the material world then i guess our Pirs and Imams and Prophets would have never survived. They are elevated very much in the Spiritual world but they too need to live in this world and not to retire from it. Even in a Church, a father or a nun eats and gets his/her food properly and have a fairly clean and better room to rest and live their life.
If we fulfill our hunger and just do some minimum things to live our life happily, that doesnt mean that we're too much involved in the material world. Every human needs to do it, and if it means that by asking for hunger and a better quality of life a person is involved too much in the material world then i guess our Pirs and Imams and Prophets would have never survived. They are elevated very much in the Spiritual world but they too need to live in this world and not to retire from it. Even in a Church, a father or a nun eats and gets his/her food properly and have a fairly clean and better room to rest and live their life.
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In Ginan Moman Chetamni Syed Imam Shah says:
"If your faith in Ali is true, then your family will indeed flourish.
Thus serve Him implicitly and pay your Dasond.If you pay Dasond to Ali your material wealth and your progeny will increase. He will also keep your Iman strong." (verse 146 & 147)
There are many incidences that those who give dosond or help poors they get blessings of God as reward (example Sudama). By blessings it not means that they will get castles of gold, but they indeed get enough money for thier satisfaction. So even if a person is very poor, he or she should pay dasond.
And if some one is wealthy or poor, I dont think it depends on past deeds. Infact wealth is not matter. What matter is happiness and satisfaction in life. A wealthy person can have more sorrow then poor.
For me success in worldly life not means becomming wealthiest, but if some one is living happy life along with his/her family and beloved ones then its the most important worldly success one can have in my opinion.
"If your faith in Ali is true, then your family will indeed flourish.
Thus serve Him implicitly and pay your Dasond.If you pay Dasond to Ali your material wealth and your progeny will increase. He will also keep your Iman strong." (verse 146 & 147)
There are many incidences that those who give dosond or help poors they get blessings of God as reward (example Sudama). By blessings it not means that they will get castles of gold, but they indeed get enough money for thier satisfaction. So even if a person is very poor, he or she should pay dasond.
And if some one is wealthy or poor, I dont think it depends on past deeds. Infact wealth is not matter. What matter is happiness and satisfaction in life. A wealthy person can have more sorrow then poor.
For me success in worldly life not means becomming wealthiest, but if some one is living happy life along with his/her family and beloved ones then its the most important worldly success one can have in my opinion.
Munir you're right and I also follow that, I've seen many people who are very rich but they don't have peace in their family. They are very rich but still they don't like going home because of the tensions they have in the family.
But clear my this thing that in Africa do they believe in GOD and do they pay dasond there?
I mean Hazar Imam is not only our imam but the Imam of the whole world, he's the Rozi Giver, he can make anyone successful or he can destroy anyone he wishes. But what's special in our faith is that he guides us for the salvation of our souls and he shows the correct path. But still even if a non-muslim or an atheist prays, his/her prayers are granted so Lord is of everyone.
So maybe those who are unaware that they've to give the Dasond or they're not under proper guidance, Are those souls didnt evolve that much to recognize Ali and get proper guidance?
And Imam looks at everyone. So those people in Africa lets say...have faith in their own GOD but maybe they don't support Dasond thing (I am not sure) but I guess there's some 'Balli' type system. I am not sure. What's their fault if they are born in that system ? If they're very faithful in the faith they have then why it also happens that they don't get the minimum requirement to live in this world?
In Moman Chetamani, I don't have the verses but Syed Imam Shah said that those who speak against Imam of the Time and those who prevent others from performing their religious duties are not evolved that much to recognize Ali - The Imam of the Time and they will lose their peace of mind.
Did it mean that those souls were sinners in their past Avtars? Are the souls of Ismailies has evolved that much that we are so lucky to be born under the light of this Tariqah ?
Without recognizing Ali, even if a person lets say very religious (not like Mullahs) but in any religion, he/she performs very good deeds and practices what the religion teaches him/her will not achieve salvation too? or will they in the next era come in the Ismaili Tariqah?
I wonder how much questions I've developed in the few days and it's true, once you dip into the pool...you slowly slowly go deeper to search the Treasure which is hidden
If my questions hurt anyone, I apologize but till very recently I've a base about my faith which is very shaky, I do accept Ali as Allah but sometimes when people put up tough questions, I can't answer and I find questioning myself. So preparing for the solid-base.
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But clear my this thing that in Africa do they believe in GOD and do they pay dasond there?
I mean Hazar Imam is not only our imam but the Imam of the whole world, he's the Rozi Giver, he can make anyone successful or he can destroy anyone he wishes. But what's special in our faith is that he guides us for the salvation of our souls and he shows the correct path. But still even if a non-muslim or an atheist prays, his/her prayers are granted so Lord is of everyone.
So maybe those who are unaware that they've to give the Dasond or they're not under proper guidance, Are those souls didnt evolve that much to recognize Ali and get proper guidance?
And Imam looks at everyone. So those people in Africa lets say...have faith in their own GOD but maybe they don't support Dasond thing (I am not sure) but I guess there's some 'Balli' type system. I am not sure. What's their fault if they are born in that system ? If they're very faithful in the faith they have then why it also happens that they don't get the minimum requirement to live in this world?
In Moman Chetamani, I don't have the verses but Syed Imam Shah said that those who speak against Imam of the Time and those who prevent others from performing their religious duties are not evolved that much to recognize Ali - The Imam of the Time and they will lose their peace of mind.
Did it mean that those souls were sinners in their past Avtars? Are the souls of Ismailies has evolved that much that we are so lucky to be born under the light of this Tariqah ?
Without recognizing Ali, even if a person lets say very religious (not like Mullahs) but in any religion, he/she performs very good deeds and practices what the religion teaches him/her will not achieve salvation too? or will they in the next era come in the Ismaili Tariqah?
I wonder how much questions I've developed in the few days and it's true, once you dip into the pool...you slowly slowly go deeper to search the Treasure which is hidden
If my questions hurt anyone, I apologize but till very recently I've a base about my faith which is very shaky, I do accept Ali as Allah but sometimes when people put up tough questions, I can't answer and I find questioning myself. So preparing for the solid-base.
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The concept of dasond is not only in Ismailism but it is directly or indirectly in almost every religion. Even before Hazrat Muhammad (P.B.U.H) it was obligatory at the time of other Prophets.
I think those who offer some thing to God or those who help other people, they get blessings of God. Its not necessary that they will become rich immediately but they will have satisfactory life.
In Gita, Krishna says "Agar koi prem, shraddha aur bhakti k saath mujh ko pata, pushp (flower), phal ya jal pradan karta hai to mai ussey svekar karta hu."
In Ginan Saami ne sachu karine, Pir Sadardin says :"O momins: my Lord is such that He does not keep anyone's obligation (burden). If you give Him once, he will return hundred fold (graces)."
Those who are generous or help some one in any way, they also get blessings of God. In Anant Akhado Pir Hassan Kabirdin says, "The one who entertains the poor guests this person indeed entertain us. The soul soul that feeds the poor after recognising him/her that food reaches us as our sustenance."
I think those who offer some thing to God or those who help other people, they get blessings of God. Its not necessary that they will become rich immediately but they will have satisfactory life.
In Gita, Krishna says "Agar koi prem, shraddha aur bhakti k saath mujh ko pata, pushp (flower), phal ya jal pradan karta hai to mai ussey svekar karta hu."
In Ginan Saami ne sachu karine, Pir Sadardin says :"O momins: my Lord is such that He does not keep anyone's obligation (burden). If you give Him once, he will return hundred fold (graces)."
Those who are generous or help some one in any way, they also get blessings of God. In Anant Akhado Pir Hassan Kabirdin says, "The one who entertains the poor guests this person indeed entertain us. The soul soul that feeds the poor after recognising him/her that food reaches us as our sustenance."
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'and when it is said to them:spend out of what allah has given you,those who disbelieve say to those who believe:shall we feed him whom,if allah please,he could feed ? you are in naught but clear error" surah:yasin
allah has created some rich and some poor but remember he has created rich to test whether they share part of their wealth with the poor.so please see every poor person asking for help is a oppurtunity to become closer to allah.
" the fruits on the tree does not say its for the rich"
all those forum members who have posted their views on this subject
'and when it is said to them:spend out of what allah has given you,those who disbelieve say to those who believe:shall we feed him whom,if allah please,he could feed ? you are in naught but clear error" surah:yasin
allah has created some rich and some poor but remember he has created rich to test whether they share part of their wealth with the poor.so please see every poor person asking for help is a oppurtunity to become closer to allah.
" the fruits on the tree does not say its for the rich"
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relationship between suffering and happiness
St0necol I think people don’t suffer only because of past eras but they are also test for Allah's purpose which may depend on individual's relationship with Allah….st0necol wrote: my question is only this.
Were those people who are very poor and desperately searching for food and water to live even if they get it once a day, Were those people in their past eras and Yugs were very rich? And cruel and didn't share with others and treated the less-fortunate ones at that time badly? This is the reason why today those people suffer?
And the last confusion.
Why Mowla creates institutions and help out people in Zahiri way where he can help those people in Batini way and with just a blink of the eye, the problems of those people will get easier. I mean if one is destined to be poor, no matter how much you help, if Mowla is not pleased with him, any help won't reach to him. He's surely setting example for the other rich people how to spend their excessive treasures in the better way, but still why doesnt many do it?
Sorry but my base is weak, I am trying to build a solid-base and then move forward.
According to 002.286 (Surah Baqarah: The Cow): On no soul doth God place a burden greater Than it can bear. It gets every good that it earns, And it suffers every ill that it earns. (Pray:) “Our Lord! Condemn us not If we forget or fall Into error; our Lord! Lay not on us a burden Like that which Thou Didst lay on those before us; Our Lord! Lay not on us A burden greater than we Have strength to bear. Blot out our sins, And grant us forgiveness. Have mercy on us. Thou art our Protector; Help us against those Who stand against Faith”
For me I believe that Allah can’t punish his creation, either way I tried to look at it I feel Pain comes as a Blessing not as a Punishment…. The suffering one faces during a trial or test is a phase which leads or opens a short gate towards Allah’s blessing although this is not the only way for blessing and Allah doesn’t give a test to an individual without giving will to bear the test. Look beyond the point of suffering, you will see a happy ending…! The suffering is similar to suffering of a kid’s in pain…! (Ex- “You must have seen kid’s playing with a toys happily, take away the toy from the kid she will start crying, see the pain on her face wait for 10 minutes and then return the toy with two chocolates and now see the face of the kid and happiness on face! The happiness will bring the kid close to her u” this is the relationship of suffering and happiness, Allah reveal its attributes from it opposite this is a way happiness is revealed…! The suffering what you see on kids face and what she feel is in her heart is of a kid and a kid can bear that… and a adult has different stamina… the suffering of a kid is of a child or an adult bears according to once stamina to bear, let it be for a day or a month or an year or a life or a life’s the end is sweet and sweeter then we can imagine…!”)
I think Mowla can help people in batine way and with just a blink of the eye if he does then what will be the essence of creating human, then what I will be essence of creating Zahir world… I think Mowla comes out of Curtain only when it’s important… “I believe in a blink of eye Mowla can destroy and recreate the world Many times as He wills, if so then Mowla can solve Problems, stop trails and suffering, give relief from pain, XYZ, etc But he wants us to accept facts and understand realities… to understand ourselves and the world around us, to learn and to practice, to educate ourselves both martially and spiritually, and use it, etc” every individual learns a lesson when in test or trail we need to use the lesson for our future…!
Zubair Mahammod