Sunni islam

[Morg]

hey all
i am a new member here, and came in here to learn about ismaili sect in islam. i learnet alot and can learn even more

but i realised that some members do not know the fundamental teachings within sunni islam. if i am for help then please ask,

but remember, it is for general sunni theology only not any secterian fight topic.

[Morg]

QUOTE: and if ismailis do want to know about some elements of sunni islam then feel free to ask too


Dear Morg,

As-Salaam Alley-Kum,



I have a question for you. There is a very famous hadith of the Prophet in which he says “whosoever dies without knowing the Imam of his time, will have died the death of Jahaliya.” Muslims of all denominations agree that this is an authentic hadith. Do you know why the Prophet said so? Please explain according to your understanding.

We have a Living Imam and he sets out what we should do. We do not question him as to why we do not do what other Muslims do, Because the Qur’an says, Obey Allah, Obey the Apostle and Obey the Ulil Amr. Qur’an Allah S.W.T. also says not to question the Prophet. Our Imam is our Ulil Amr. We do not question him. That is where we differ from a lot of Muslims. This is one of the most important aspects of Islam and in particular Shia Islam. Without the love and obedience to the Imam ( and in the Prophet’s time, love and obedience to the Prophet PBUH) all our fasts, prayers, zakah, etc. are useless. I can quote you several ahadith of the Prophet in which he has stated that without the love of the Prophet, none of our rituals are valid. Now, do you believe the prescriptions of the Qur’an of 1400 years ago, were not meant to be changed according to the time and prevailing conditions? If you, like other Muslims, including Ismailis believe the prescriptions should not be changed, then please answer:

Within 13 or so years of the passing of the Prophet S.A.W. Hazarat Umar changed three prescriptions as follows:

1. The Qur’an says that part of Karde Hasana should be distributed to the non-believers so that they do not antagonize the Muslims. Hazarat Umar decided that the times had changed and Muslims were stronger so they did not need to distribute money to the non-believers.

2. Qur’an says that a talaq should be granted in 3 sittings. There were intervals between each sitting to give time to the contesting parties time to reconsider their decision. Hazarat Umar said that this was cumbersome and that the Talaq should be given in one sitting with 3 pronouncements of the Talaq.

3. Qur’an says that a thief’s hand should be separated at the wrist so that he can never steal. Hazarat Umar abolished that because he said there was a famine (time had changed) and people were desperate so they stole.

Hazarat Umar also added “prayer is better than sleep” to the adhan that the Prophet had used all his life. And Hazarat Othman added additional adhan to the Friday prayer. Hazarat Umar was the one who introduced Tarawih prayer during Ramadhan, Prophet did not.

Believe me, I have no problem with what the two Caliphas did. I think they were right in what they did because times had changed and they did what was better for the Ummah. The Prophet of Islam has said that religion should not be cumbersome (if you wish I can give you the ahadith) and that it should be simple so that people can follow it.

There are numerous ahadith in which the Prophet has changed the times of prayers and shortened the prayers in order to accommodate the congregants.

As regards Assassins, please read “The Assassin Legends, Myths of the Ismailis” by Farhad Daftary.
Most of the myths about the Assassins were produced and distributed by sources hostile to Ismailis, Marco Polo (who was even discredited by his own Church) and the Crusaders. As you must be aware, most of the Ismaili literature was destroyed, once by the Abbassids (thrown in the Nile) and the other by the Mongols (burned to ashes). Akhu Muhsin and Juvaini were major contributors of anti-Ismaili literature and these circulated for a long time until the recent research.

Thanks for hearing me out.

this brother asked me this long question in the other topic which were meanth for ismaili theology only, so i transfer it here.

but i will tell first of all, i dont know much about the inner theology of my own fiqh. thereby if i am in doubt i wont answer,

but i will try to find out the answer.
just wait hehe have some projects from the schools to fulfill first.

feel free to ask then.

[skaswani]

salam

well, we welcome ur post & i hope it will be educational talk, not any fight.

its good we should be aware of each other faith/sects.

btw, Bro Morg
we as Ismailies normaly dont ask such questions, but when we are forced to ask abt our doing or changes which my imams had made,

we have to reply by asking such questions, so no dis respect to 1st 3 Khalifa or any Sahaba, but to defend our point of view,

i hope now u get the real background of thoese questions who ever had asked.


s0, u are welcome to reply or not to reply.

but, before i end my talk. i want to qoute u a hadith which ever SUNNI brother qoute, but i dont know why they LEAVE AHAL BAIT OUT of that hadeeth,

i am sure u are aware of what i am talking,

in short (sunni qoute) "I am leaving behind 2 valueable things, Book of Allah & my Sunnat"

while, Prophet did'nt mention Sunnat,

let me give u the reference

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... l#031.5920


it mention 2 things are

"Book of Allah & my Ahale Bait."

regards