2 references source required

skaswani · Post by **skaswani** » Sat May 13, 2006 3:48 pm

YA ALI MADAD

how are you all

i am looking for the SOURCES of 2 references from SHIA BOOKS (Hadeeth) , please kindly guide me.

1st reference is written on "Doctorine of Ismailies " at the back that
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"if on earth there will be only Two people, one will IMAM & other will be his follower"

i think its by IMAM Bakir a ,s or Imam Jaffar a,s

i have read the same hadeeth in this forum, but i am un able to seek,please kindly tellme with its reference

another which i also read on this forum
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this hadeeth was narated by Imam Jaffar a.,s , once he asked his follower that "if you ask me one question & i'll reply u, & next year if u ask the same question & i reply some thing else, which will you follow.............. he said the last/current one " Imam Sadiq a.s said "right"

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please also refer me some hadeeth from Al Kafi of Continuity of Imamat,

please , waiting for reply
YA ALI MADAD

logical · Post by **logical** » Mon May 15, 2006 9:33 pm

Imamate is an eternal institution. The 12'ers believe in that as well and, they will say "the Imam is with us even today".

Ayatollah Khomeini describes the Imam as God’s proof (Hujjah: guarantee). The Iranian constitution has the Imam to automatically become the Head of the State if he were to re-appear.

Once they use to pray for their Ghaib Imam to re-appear soon; now, they suggest that he will appear to herald the end of the world. Of course Jesus would appear at that time too.

Anyways, I found this interesting article- Knowing your Imam at a 12'er website:
some excerpts:

Imam al-Baqir (as) said: We are the most beautiful names of Allah. Allah does not accept anybody's worship unless they have the marifah of us [8.]

And the Imams (as) have said:
Through us Allah is known, and through us Allah is worshipped. [9.]

If it were not for Allah we would not be known, and if it were not for us Allah would not be known. [10.]

The Imam Jafar Sadiq (as) was asked by his companion Abu Basir about whether or not it was true that, on the day of the Resurrection, God would be visible to all: Yes, said the Imam. He is visible even before that day; he has been visible since the day when He asked: Am I not your Lord? The True Believers have seen him even in this world. Dost thou not see him? And the man replied: O my Master, I see thee. Permit that by thy authority I go and announce it to the others. But the Imam (as): No, say nothing to anyone, for the people are stupid and ignorant, they will not understand; they will disavow you and hurl anathema at you."[7.]

http://www.shianews.com/hi/articles/islam/0000342.php

skaswani · Post by **skaswani** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:42 am

YA ALI MADAD

bahi meri payey bahi ( my dear brother) i have read those hadeeths & i know about it

i just want 2 References ( Bookname & Page#) so i can qoute those hadeeth

got me??

but anyways, thanks for replying

YA ALI MADAD

unnalhaq · Post by **unnalhaq** » Tue May 16, 2006 7:03 pm

logical wrote: Once they use to pray for their Ghaib Imam to re-appear soon; now, they suggest that he will appear to herald the end of the world. Of course Jesus would appear at that time too.

Can't they both be the Same? Since there is no-one but only One...
Just to apply: He is here even before this day...
As you quated [Imam Jafar Sadiq "He is visible even before that day; he has been visible since the day when He asked: Am I not your Lord?"]

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Sat May 20, 2006 9:42 pm

About the first one you quoted is not hadith I think its Farman of Imam Sultan Mohamed Shah from KIM.

skaswani · Post by **skaswani** » Sun May 21, 2006 10:22 am

YA ALI MADAD

well, i may be wrong,

but i feel i read the same Hadeeth here on this forum & in some book refering to Imam Bakir a,s or Imam Jafar Sadiq a,s

can anyone help meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Sun May 21, 2006 8:07 pm

Mowla Ali Madad,
I have not heard this as hadith but as far as I remember it is in Farman of Imam Sultan Mohamed Shah.

skaswani · Post by **skaswani** » Mon May 22, 2006 5:31 am

YA ALI MADAD

yes, it can be by Imam Sultan Mohd Shah Aga KHAN, but...

khir, so kind for u

thanks

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Mon May 22, 2006 9:34 pm

There is also a quote like this of Moulana Rumi but I dont have and this is also mentioned in many Ginans like
In Ginan Budh Avtaar Pir Sadardin says
Jo tame pag dharti na dharo jaduraay
To sansaar saglo paro thaaye

skaswani · Post by **skaswani** » Tue May 23, 2006 2:45 am

bro, please translate it in english , thanks

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Wed May 24, 2006 9:10 pm

I am not good in translation but in this verse Pir says If Imam not keeps His feet in this world, then the unviserse can not survive.

That is presence of Imam is necessary for this universe.

skaswani · Post by **skaswani** » Thu May 25, 2006 12:05 pm

mashallah,

THANKS ,

very true & based on Quran in which Allah says that

"Allah will not destory this universe until Prophet is among people"

& we believe that imams are the wasi & leaders after Prophethood

regards