YA Ali Madad
How are you all
I have to ask a reference from Usol-Al Kafi, about the hadeeth narrated by Imam Jafar Saddiq a,s about Imam Ismail a.s on the concept of Bad'ah.
Have anyone read that narration, can you please kindly tell me the reference along with Al Kafi Vol # & page #.
Please also mention its in English or Urdu.So, I can check it, Or if anyone has scanner please make a picture of it
Thankyou
Regards
YA ALI MADAD
Looking for a reference from Al Kafi
What point r u trying to prove?
The referenced 12'er shia hadith is about "allah telling a lie .." which sunnis exploit.
Well! if you look at the product (MUSLIM) of allah's perfect deen then, you will find most of the product(MUSLIM) highly DEFECTIVE and, even DANGEROUS to themselves & others.
If allah's deen meant perfect product(muslim)
then, either He lied, or,
Most have chose to be defective & dangerous.
The referenced 12'er shia hadith is about "allah telling a lie .." which sunnis exploit.
Well! if you look at the product (MUSLIM) of allah's perfect deen then, you will find most of the product(MUSLIM) highly DEFECTIVE and, even DANGEROUS to themselves & others.
If allah's deen meant perfect product(muslim)
then, either He lied, or,
Most have chose to be defective & dangerous.
salam
ya Ali madad
i dont know you are a 12ver or ismaili or what, i dont know, but dont i HAVE right to know abt My Faith!
dont i have this right that when a isna ashari show me hadeeth that see "imams can only be 12 " & we are only right people on earth, but dont u think i should have some AK47 for my self defence:(
aama yar, its basiclly same as like isna ashri qoute Bukhari & muslim to prove sunnies as well as Ismailies that
"SEE we told u na, there only & will be only 12 Imams, n0t 11 nor 13, then how come U as Ismailies have 49th Imam ...
so,i feel i have 200% right to qoute them from there books,
2nd thing, i am doing this for learning purpose, n0t for any other aim,
i hope you will n0t mind
thanks
regards
& please anyone kindly reply me
thanks
YA ALI MADAD
ya Ali madad
i dont know you are a 12ver or ismaili or what, i dont know, but dont i HAVE right to know abt My Faith!
dont i have this right that when a isna ashari show me hadeeth that see "imams can only be 12 " & we are only right people on earth, but dont u think i should have some AK47 for my self defence:(
aama yar, its basiclly same as like isna ashri qoute Bukhari & muslim to prove sunnies as well as Ismailies that
"SEE we told u na, there only & will be only 12 Imams, n0t 11 nor 13, then how come U as Ismailies have 49th Imam ...
so,i feel i have 200% right to qoute them from there books,
2nd thing, i am doing this for learning purpose, n0t for any other aim,
i hope you will n0t mind
thanks
regards
& please anyone kindly reply me
thanks
YA ALI MADAD
dear skaswani,
I'll play along.
Ismailis do not need AK47 or copy & paste of liturgy to defend .
Truth speakls louder than falsehood!
Can any muslim other than Ismailis who follow the 49th Alid Imam prove that Islam is based on peace, social justice & scholarship?
If they cannot, then what-ever they[Majority Islam] follow is falsehood!
Both 12'er shais and sunnis have cemented their beliefs on hadiths - picked selectively from thousands by their scholars. It's a house of cards. Pull one out or prove it false and the whole house (creed) falls down.
Can 12 'er shias to prove their central hadith that says "there will only be 12 Imams" back to Quran?
Why back to the quran?
because they (12'er jurists) insist that all their hadiths are verified back to the quran.
Remember that house of cards?
I'll play along.
Actually, no!skaswani wrote:
dont i have this right that when a isna ashari show me hadeeth that see "imams can only be 12 " & we are only right people on earth, but dont u think i should have some AK47 for my self defence:(
Ismailis do not need AK47 or copy & paste of liturgy to defend .
Truth speakls louder than falsehood!
Can any muslim other than Ismailis who follow the 49th Alid Imam prove that Islam is based on peace, social justice & scholarship?
If they cannot, then what-ever they[Majority Islam] follow is falsehood!
my friend,aama yar, its basiclly same as like isna ashri qoute Bukhari & muslim to prove sunnies as well as Ismailies that
"SEE we told u na, there only & will be only 12 Imams, n0t 11 nor 13, then how come U as Ismailies have 49th Imam ...
Both 12'er shais and sunnis have cemented their beliefs on hadiths - picked selectively from thousands by their scholars. It's a house of cards. Pull one out or prove it false and the whole house (creed) falls down.
Can 12 'er shias to prove their central hadith that says "there will only be 12 Imams" back to Quran?
Why back to the quran?
because they (12'er jurists) insist that all their hadiths are verified back to the quran.
Remember that house of cards?
"Can 12 'er shias to prove their central hadith that says "there will only be 12 Imams" back to Quran? "
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sorry, i dont know about it, Please tellme about it
but i do know they mention that the word IMAMAT/IMAM came 12 Times in Quran, but so what??
the word ALLAH has been mention many times in Quran.. So do i apply the same on ALLAH too
2nd, they qoute Prophet JESUS pbuh & Prophet Moses had 12 Imams after them (mention in Bible).. but they failed to understand "THOSE PROPHETS CAME for LIMMITED TIME PERIOD, but our PROPHET pbuh came forever.
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sorry, i dont know about it, Please tellme about it
but i do know they mention that the word IMAMAT/IMAM came 12 Times in Quran, but so what??
the word ALLAH has been mention many times in Quran.. So do i apply the same on ALLAH too
2nd, they qoute Prophet JESUS pbuh & Prophet Moses had 12 Imams after them (mention in Bible).. but they failed to understand "THOSE PROPHETS CAME for LIMMITED TIME PERIOD, but our PROPHET pbuh came forever.