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by charlie
Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:05 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Humanity better off without religions.
Replies: 144
Views: 170424

Creation of God can not be God himself. Fanna fi Allah means the drop merging into the ocean and becoming the Ocean itself. Did you read the thread? You mentioned 'Swami maaro chatur.....'. What this part of Ginan has to do with the topic 'can a human be a God'. Do you mean Swami (Ali, Imam, Shah) ...
by charlie
Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:52 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Heaven and Hell
Replies: 104
Views: 93830

So a blessed person has blessed visions of Muhammad, Christ, Krishna; it looks you concluded that these 3 entities are same as Prophets because MSMS in Memoirs mentioned them as Prophets, but these entities themselves had visions of higher authority. Is it a condition that one has to wait 9 months ...
by charlie
Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:47 pm
Forum: Ginans
Topic: Miscellaneous Articles on Ginans
Replies: 84
Views: 44251

Yes I did read Memoirs completely some time back. That particular chapter do not mention Ismaili Tenets as mentioned in Preamble by present Imam. It is a kind of birds eye view on Islam and Ismaili history. I was comparing the Memoirs to Buj Nirinjan. Both of them are not Farmans for murids in my o...
by charlie
Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:51 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Humanity better off without religions.
Replies: 144
Views: 170424

MSMS compared pure murids as angels, but he did not mentioned that they perform the same duties as angels do like of Jibrael or Izrael. An elevated soul worthy of being called an angel is capable of performing anything at will. You may want to go to: can humans BE God? http://www.ismaili.net/html/m...
by charlie
Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:44 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Heaven and Hell
Replies: 104
Views: 93830

Glimpses of paradise, like what? First stage of paradise (say) 100 watts light. Second stage 200 watts light. Seventh stage 1000 Kw of light. Depending upon the background of an individual, he may experience blessed visions of Muhammad, Christ, Krishna as indications of being on the right path, for...
by charlie
Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:30 pm
Forum: Rites and Ceremonies
Topic: Blasphemous Issues
Replies: 6
Views: 6089

Brazil Netflix show portraying Jesus as gay sparks anger in Brazil Petition signed by two million people calls for First Temptation of Christ to be removed from streaming service Mon 16 Dec 2019 19.13 ESTLast modified on Tue 17 Dec 2019 10.13 EST Porta dos Fundos, the Brazilian YouTube comedy group ...
by charlie
Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:22 pm
Forum: Ginans
Topic: Miscellaneous Articles on Ginans
Replies: 84
Views: 44251

Memoirs is not a book of Ismaili Tenets, but Bhuj Nirinjin was written to explain Ismaili faith. Have you read it? There is a chapter in it explaining the concept of Islam: Religion of My Ancestors ISLAM THE RELIGION OF MY ANCESTORS http://www.ismaili.net/Source/0016b.html Yes I did read Memoirs co...
by charlie
Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:34 pm
Forum: Ginans
Topic: Miscellaneous Articles on Ginans
Replies: 84
Views: 44251

In other words Bhuj Nirijin is not Farman for non murids but it is Farman for murids! Farmans are only meant for murids. Non murids are of course welcome to partake in them, however they are not required to obey them. My assertion is that Buj Niranjan is not a Farman for his murids. Just as the Mem...
by charlie
Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:28 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Near Death Experiences (NDEs)
Replies: 161
Views: 112498

In past few decades there has been scientific studies on NDE and OBE. In my opinion these experiments are related to dreams, imaginations, hallucinations, and subconscious mind. After real physical and clinical death, when angel of death takes soul out of body there is no way the soul will enter bod...
by charlie
Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:13 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Esoteric aspect of Birthday/Imamat Day of Hazar Imam
Replies: 41
Views: 48302

In first line of above post, please correct the word porno instead of prono.
by charlie
Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:09 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Esoteric aspect of Birthday/Imamat Day of Hazar Imam
Replies: 41
Views: 48302

In intercourse the result is lust, then according to you it can be called spiritual lust and this term can be applied for Huurs also. Intercourse if interpreted correctly is the most intimate moment of a relationship between two individuals, leading to birth/rebirth of another individual. Hence it ...
by charlie
Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:53 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Humanity better off without religions.
Replies: 144
Views: 170424

kmaherali wrote:MSMS once referred to pure murids as angels. Would they be brainless?
MSMS compared pure murids as angels, but he did not mentioned that they perform the same duties as angels do like of Jibrael or Izrael.
by charlie
Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:46 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Heaven and Hell
Replies: 104
Views: 93830

About Al Hallaj, Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah said in a Farman," For Mansoor Paradise was present but he said I do not want paradise, I shall go higher than that". There are 7 stages of paradise, but for perfection union with perfect is the goal. Of course perfect union is the goal, however ...
by charlie
Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:12 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Allah and the Nur of Allah
Replies: 264
Views: 132848

God said,"light upon light". How can we explain light upon light? Is it a kind of layer of light on other layer of light? Is it explained as stages of light? Or one light will depart and other will take its place? Is this light colorful? Can we look at this light without harming eyes? Is t...
by charlie
Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:02 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Humanity better off without religions.
Replies: 144
Views: 170424

God created angels to help Him, they are obedient to Lord and obey orders. They do not have their will. Are angels brainless?
by charlie
Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:57 pm
Forum: Ginans
Topic: Miscellaneous Articles on Ginans
Replies: 84
Views: 44251

So Pir Sadardin just composed one piece of poetry for non Ismaili Muslims! . He could have composed many, but only one that has been preserved and come down to us because of its value to our tradition as well. Poetry for non-Murids are not considered Farmans and hence are not treated or preserved l...
by charlie
Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:54 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Heaven and Hell
Replies: 104
Views: 93830

For al-Tusi, paradise is the perpetual state of the genuine seeker after the truth. Whosoever is on the spiritual, actively seeking and finding the inner meaning of the words of scripture is already ‘a denizen of Paradise.‘ As one progresses steadily through various spiritual stages, he encounters a...
by charlie
Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:30 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Suicide
Replies: 48
Views: 55533

DAWN.COM Why are more Pakistanis taking their own lives? Rising number of traditionally under-reported suicide cases indicates hidden mental health epidemic remains unaddressed. Tanzeel Hassan Updated May 13, 2019 Although figures for suicide and suicide attempts are notoriously sketchy in the count...
by charlie
Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:18 pm
Forum: Ginans
Topic: Miscellaneous Articles on Ginans
Replies: 84
Views: 44251

You have right to your opinion, I gave reference of Al Waiz Abu Ali in which he refuted claim by Ali Asani and others about authorship of Bhuj Nirinjin. He said, indeed the Grunth was written by Pir Sadardin. Historically we do not have any reference that Pir Sadardin had non Ismaili murids. Pir Sa...
by charlie
Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:54 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Esoteric aspect of Birthday/Imamat Day of Hazar Imam
Replies: 41
Views: 48302

My query: Does GAVAN KAREEJE means intercourse in Gujrati? In the context of the verse it means intercourse or close relationship just as in a marriage. I think the word intercourse is not appropriate. It should be explained as to be one with God. Like water mixes with water become water. PANI MEY ...
by charlie
Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:26 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Esoteric aspect of Birthday/Imamat Day of Hazar Imam
Replies: 41
Views: 48302

[quote="kmaherali"]The following verses allude to Ibadat using the imagery of worldly marriage and sexual intercourse as a means towards birthing into the Divine, i.e., becoming the Imam. Verses from the ginan "Abdu man jite man ichhaa fal upaje". abdhu heer parchhe tyu tanku(n) ...
by charlie
Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:19 pm
Forum: Ginans
Topic: Miscellaneous Articles on Ginans
Replies: 84
Views: 44251

kmaherali quote: Hence although this verse is true for general Sufis, it is not accurate for Ismailis, hence I have expressed doubts about the authorship of this granth as being of Pir Sadardeen. If indeed he authored it, it would have been for general Sufis and not for his murids.[/quote] You have ...
by charlie
Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:31 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: The significance of Dhikr(Zikr)
Replies: 8
Views: 10901

WAQT E SAHAR WAQT E MUNAJAAT HAI
KHEZ DARAAN WAQT KE BARAKAAT HAI

Urdu Kalaam of Baba Farid Shakar Gunj

Tran: Early morning time is the time for remembrance. This is a very blessed time for munajaat.
by charlie
Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:22 pm
Forum: Ginans
Topic: Miscellaneous Articles on Ginans
Replies: 84
Views: 44251

Do you believe in the content of Bhuj Nirinjin? Of course I do believe in the uplifting aspect of Buj Niranjan, otherwise I would not have bothered to translate it and make it available at: http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/23011 Appreciate you translated Bhuj Nirijin. You did not answered my querie...
by charlie
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:54 pm
Forum: Ginans
Topic: Miscellaneous Articles on Ginans
Replies: 84
Views: 44251

With reference to Dhan Dhan Aaj Nu Dharlo.... mentioned by Nimira; eji aalmot gaddh paattann, delam deshajee teeyaa avtareeyaa shaah maankhaa veshjee Nimira wrote; In verse 2 of his composition Dhan dhan aajno daadlore ame Alivar payaji, Pir Sadr al-Din mentions the fort of Alamut in the region of D...
by charlie
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:29 pm
Forum: Ginans
Topic: Miscellaneous Articles on Ginans
Replies: 84
Views: 44251

A quotation from Nimira's blog; The number of verses in Ginans varies from 4 to 10 in the shorter ones to over 500 in the longer ones. Generally the shorter versions do not possess titles, therefore, the first verses or refrains serve as titles for identification purpose. Some of the longer Ginans ...
by charlie
Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:20 pm
Forum: Ginans
Topic: Miscellaneous Articles on Ginans
Replies: 84
Views: 44251

A quotation from Nimira's blog; The number of verses in Ginans varies from 4 to 10 in the shorter ones to over 500 in the longer ones. Generally the shorter versions do not possess titles, therefore, the first verses or refrains serve as titles for identification purpose. Some of the longer Ginans h...
by charlie
Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:32 pm
Forum: Ginans
Topic: Das Avtaar Ginan
Replies: 6
Views: 8344

Why not some Satpunthi Ismaili scholar come forward and rewrite the past 200 years of sutpunthi khoja history and their religious traditions. Still plenty of material is available in Khojki and Gujrati in India and Pakistan. Why not Admin of this Forum take initiative, he has plenty of khoja materia...
by charlie
Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:07 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Islam and Hinduism's blurred lines
Replies: 217
Views: 487725

By Hammad Khan Hindu nationalists are known for Islamophobia. But Adityanath's religious order shares a history with Islam Some Hindu nationalists in India are noted for their admiration for Nazism, along with their hatred for Muslims that can at times reach genocidal proportions. Recently, sections...
by charlie
Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:39 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: The significance of Dhikr(Zikr)
Replies: 8
Views: 10901

TANHAAEI ME AKSAR RAATUN KO HUM ZIKR TUMHARA KARTE HAIN
TASWEER JO DIL ME CHHAPTI HAI HUM NAQSH UBHARA KARTE HAIN

Trans: In lonely nights we often remember you (do zikr). The image (tasweer) that appears in the heart we emboss it.